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SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #320 on: 08-03-2011 00:52 »

Im not sure, a lot of people who hate cats probably sympathised with Amy.

Its an episode that works on both levels.  Cat lovers like to see a cat focused episode, and cat haters like to see them as allergy packed, villainous balls of evil and fur.   

Myself, I would pamper them with feasts most fancy.  One thing I'm not sure about: Are all earth cats Thubans? 

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I kind of despise cats, so I was totally on-board with Amy and Nibbler's mission to take them down. I mean, "That Darn Katz!" isn't a favorite episode of mine, but in terms of its cat-related observations, and its utilization of two secondary characters in the roles of Kick Ass Heroes, it's pretty good.
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« Reply #321 on: 08-03-2011 05:22 »

I think the implication is that all cats are descended from the Thubans who landed in Egypt and grew complacent once they realized that people for some reason found them endearing, and fed them dead fish and scratched behind their ears and such. So there are nth generation Thubans, and those would be modern cats: born on earth, but ancestors of the original cat immigrants.

Right?
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« Reply #322 on: 08-03-2011 05:28 »

I think you're right, Gorky. I think . It's been a while since I've watched this ep.
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« Reply #323 on: 08-03-2011 14:22 »

That's how I took it.
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« Reply #324 on: 08-04-2011 16:52 »

I think the implication is that all cats are descended from the Thubans who landed in Egypt and grew complacent once they realized that people for some reason found them endearing, and fed them dead fish and scratched behind their ears and such. So there are nth generation Thubans, and those would be modern cats: born on earth, but ancestors of the original cat immigrants.

Right?

That makes sense.  Me I take it that all Thubans are cats, but not all cats are Thubans, and I would like the show to clear it up.  

Also I just watched BBS, and noticed a lot of stuff that I missed the first time (as is usual with Futurama).  My favorite was "Today's Special: Insolent Waitress".

I'm guessing the unfortunate waitress was Neptunian, so I wonder what Neptunian tastes like?  Probably like purple long pork. Bam.
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« Reply #325 on: 08-10-2011 21:32 »

I find myself enjoying the first half of season six way more than this second batch. Maybe it's because I've watched them more, or maybe because they're just better episodes heh. But there isn't one really super bad episode that I would choose to skip over in the first half, whereas there are quite many of them in this batch.
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« Reply #326 on: 08-10-2011 22:23 »

I'm the complete opposite, I'm enjoying the 6B more than 6A. hmpf
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« Reply #327 on: 08-10-2011 22:35 »

I'm honestly glad that there's new Futurama episodes at all, so why should I complain ? I Enjoy every episode to the max.
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« Reply #328 on: 08-10-2011 22:35 »

I'm honestly glad that there's new Futurama episodes at all, so why should I complain ? I Enjoy every episode to the max.

EXACTLY.
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« Reply #329 on: 08-10-2011 22:37 »
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I find myself enjoying the first half of season six way more than this second batch. Maybe it's because I've watched them more, or maybe because they're just better episodes heh. But there isn't one really super bad episode that I would choose to skip over in the first half, whereas there are quite many of them in this batch.

They're not bad, there were a few forgettable episodes in 6A, but there were enough solid or awesome episodes in it to balance things out.  6B just feels like one mediocre episode after another, with the occasional bordering on solid episode.  The only episode I've really liked so far is Neutopia.  

One thing i will say, is that the animation and visuals are gorgeous.   The spacewhale and the mineral planet are two of the most beautiful looking episodes ever.
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« Reply #330 on: 08-10-2011 22:38 »

See, great minds thinks alike. (Again with this stereotype)
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« Reply #331 on: 08-11-2011 01:06 »

I'm undecided as to whether I prefer 6A or 6B. I thought 6A was a collection of mostly mediocre episodes with a couple excellent ones (I'm thinking in particular of "The Late Philip J Fry"), and 6B follows almost the same pattern (except with Yo Leela Leela, an awful one, thrown in).

I mostly subscribe to the "nostalgia goggles" theory, although some of the earlier bad 6A episodes could just be the writers "getting used to" the characters again after a long, long hiatus.
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« Reply #332 on: 08-11-2011 01:23 »

One thing i will say, is that the animation and visuals are gorgeous.   The spacewhale and the mineral planet are two of the most beautiful looking episodes ever.

I totally agree with you there. The animation has been of top quality through the new run.
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« Reply #333 on: 08-11-2011 05:52 »
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Indeed.  While the Duh Vinchi code is my least favorite episode, or at least one of my most disliked, I thought the Clock Punk planet was beautiful, and the Vinchian spacecraft was well... pretty magical.

Another special mention goes to Clockwork Origin, for bringing us the very stylish 20s robot world.  I was sorry we didn't spend longer in that era.  And of course, the robot dinosaurs, and the metallic forest, complete with honking swan.  Hell even when I don't like an episode, I can enjoy it for the creativity that has gone into the artstyle and animation.  Some of it is downright spectacular.

I think these episodes weren't just eye candy, they were visually inventive.  A lot of thought went into their artstyles, rather then just drawing ooh pretty flowers and making the whale do a flip.
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« Reply #334 on: 08-11-2011 21:17 »

One thing i will say, is that the animation and visuals are gorgeous.   The spacewhale and the mineral planet are two of the most beautiful looking episodes ever.

I totally agree with you there. The animation has been of top quality through the new run.

In Möbius Dick, yes, exceptional. In the rest? Some of the worst animation in Futurama's run. Too much stuff off-model, and general mistakes...
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« Reply #335 on: 08-11-2011 21:22 »

Nothing's been particularly off-model so far. There have been some visual treats in even the worst episodes like the Holiday Spectacular and Yo Leela Leela.
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« Reply #336 on: 08-11-2011 21:23 »

I noticed that scenery-wise, the animation is really good...but sometimes the characters themselves look a bit "off".
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« Reply #337 on: 08-11-2011 21:36 »

I noticed that scenery-wise, the animation is really good...but sometimes the characters themselves look a bit "off".
You gave me an interesting question.. Whether does the same people draws Futurama characters over those 10 years over the original run ? Incidentally, notice that in All the Presidents Heads Fry looks a little bit "off". But thats just very minor and completely negligible. Nitpicking!
Overall, the quality animation wise is pristine, as others said.
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« Reply #338 on: 08-11-2011 21:39 »
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Nothing's been particularly off-model so far. There have been some visual treats in even the worst episodes like the Holiday Spectacular and Yo Leela Leela.

Compare Season 6 to Season 4, the characters are off-model a hell of a lot more in Season 6 than Season 4. Particularly Professor Farnsworth; the first few eps of 6A had some rather bad off-model animation of him...

When I look at the other sides of animation, the budget cut has also lessened the great CGI scenes. Möbius Dick somehow wasn't any worse off and was the only ep to match old Futurama animation-wise, but aside from that I'm talking about things like the candy hearts in Love & Rocket, the excellent scenes in Leela's Homeworld (like the birds eye street view which suddenly pans down into the sewer), the great piece of animation in 300 Big Boys where the we follow the view through various places (at one point again briefly in the sewer with the foot mutant). The Sting with the various settings Leela sees while on honey etc. Not seeing so much clool stuff in Season 6...

The animation in most of Season 6 feels different, looser and less consistent...
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« Reply #339 on: 08-11-2011 22:00 »

Ah I remember when Otis was raging at Fry's model in the Overclockwise preview clip. laff
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« Reply #340 on: 08-11-2011 22:01 »

I agree that characters seemed off-model more than usual in the movies and 6A but from what I've seen of 6B, I'd say they're back to being pretty much spot-on most of the time.

I'd agree that the animation feels somewhat 'looser' in a way, but at the same time, I'm not convinced that that's a bad thing. I quite like it feeling cartoony in this way, and I don't feel that the show is any less visually spectacular yet -maybe I will if I see them try something and fail, but I dunno... I'm happy is what I'm saying. Especially with all the animation fun we're going to be getting from Reincarnation.
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« Reply #341 on: 08-11-2011 22:10 »

Bender's model looks a little different-y...
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« Reply #342 on: 08-11-2011 22:17 »

It's just that it got tendency to change slighty every few episodes.
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« Reply #343 on: 08-12-2011 10:21 »

great, another circle jerk.
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« Reply #344 on: 08-12-2011 16:17 »

Circle jerks aren't gay bro.  The alpha douchebag on Jersey Shore insists they're not in his book. 

Anyway I thought Amy looked REALLY off in some parts of this episode.  Her eyes were massive, and the fact her voice was extremely deep for no reason didn't help things.   
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« Reply #345 on: 08-12-2011 19:43 »

Circle jerks aren't gay bro.  The alpha douchebag on Jersey Shore insists they're not in his book. 

Anyway I thought Amy looked REALLY off in some parts of this episode.  Her eyes were massive, and the fact her voice was extremely deep for no reason didn't help things.   

did 'it' really? that's hilarious.
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« Reply #346 on: 08-13-2011 21:07 »

Anyone else notice Leela becoming a horribly unlikeable character... or is it just me?
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« Reply #347 on: 08-13-2011 21:08 »

Anyone else notice Leela becoming a horribly unlikeable character... or is it just me?

Yup, I never really liked her or disliked her, but now I totally dislike her. mad
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« Reply #348 on: 08-13-2011 21:17 »

I didn't think she was unlikable in Fry Am The Egg Man, but in general I am finding her a tad more eyesrollworthy.
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« Reply #349 on: 08-13-2011 21:18 »

eyesrollworthy.

You mean eyerollworthy. laff
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« Reply #350 on: 08-13-2011 21:42 »
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eyesrollworthy.

You mean eyerollworthy. laff


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« Reply #351 on: 08-13-2011 22:31 »

Unlikeable as in I don't want Fry to end up with her anymore, she's too selfish. Not "un-entertaining" but just a horrible person as a character...
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« Reply #352 on: 08-14-2011 03:50 »
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I think Leela had her bitchy moments in the series (her behavior in "Parasites Lost" always bothered me the most, I think), but I agree that she's been particularly...off...in a few episodes this season (mostly 6B; 6A seemed fine to me). Though I enjoyed both episodes, I do think her character was stretched to the limit in both "Yo Leela Leela" (the lying) and "Mobius Dick" (the wild-'n'-crazy obsession)--but, then again, I think Leela's personality has always been the most elastic, and the one the writers are most willing to play around with to suit the needs of a story. Inconsistent characterization leads to unlikeability, I think.

That said, I didn't have a problem with her behavior in Egg Man, mostly because that "platonic friends" crap was less about Leela's personality and more about the writers' inability to commit to Fry and Leela's relationship. It would be a lot more jarring if Fry decided he no longer wanted to be with Leela (as it was in "The Beast With a Billion Backs"), and since Leela was always rejecting Fry in the original run and status quo is god, I understand--but don't appreciate--the way the writers have been portraying her attitude toward, and relationship with, Fry. But at least in Egg Man, she comforted Fry after he let Mr. Peppy go, and was the only person to tell him that Mr. Peppy didn't have to die ("He just gave me a little love concussion"). It was really just the flirting-with-Angus stuff that seemed inconsiderate of her.
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« Reply #353 on: 08-14-2011 03:58 »
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I'm so glad you brought this here, FemJesse, I was dying to ask you more about this!

Why "selfish"? She's been acting odd lately, for sure, but I don't know what you're referring to. If this is about Angus, I wouldn't call that her being selfish. I'm not so sure that her and Fry have a relationship in this season, as much as we thought they did after the last movie. It seems like inconsistent writing, and like the writers are going back to their relationship before Leela and Fry were dating. I'm very confused about the whole thing.
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« Reply #354 on: 08-14-2011 04:40 »

If you were to put this episode alongside the original run, it would fare fine. But because of all the are they/arent they stuff from the movies on, it seems to cause issues. I am more annoyed when the writers presume they are already a couple, like in The Prisoner of Benda. The whole "you aren't attracted to me anymore" is established couple talk.
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« Reply #355 on: 08-15-2011 00:41 »
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I genuinly like every episode and always find the best in them. I think the show is bound to have its ups and downs but mainly the quality (to me personally) is still satifying, if it be the comedy, the artwork, the animation, the characters, the story or the situation.



Also...
Anyone else missing a bit of 'tubage' this year, there hasn't been a lot of tubes involved this season, I know there not that important but I do be missing them.
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« Reply #356 on: 08-15-2011 00:45 »

Yeah, the only tube scene I can recall was in ATPH, Fry arriving at the Head Museum. Was awesome aswell. big grin
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« Reply #357 on: 08-15-2011 03:59 »

There aren't many scenes with the tubes, but there weren't really a whole lot in the original run either, were there? I always thought that was a bit odd since the opening is like 80% tubes but they're quite infrequently seen in the show.

So far I like 6B better than 6A. The only 6B episode I would prefer not to se again is Neutopia, and I found bits of it extremely funny. I actually liked Yo Leela Leela quite a bit. Like a lot of people, I am a touch confused about where Leela's character is going and what is up with the F/L relationship, but maybe there will be answers later on.
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« Reply #358 on: 08-15-2011 04:17 »

I always found the tubes rather strange... why do they need them, and trains?  I thought the tubes rendered the trains obsolete (unless those trains come from outside NNY which might make sense.)  They were just kind of there, just one of the crazy things in the future but they have never really been a core of any of the episodes like the talking heads, or even the infrequently used career chips have been. 

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« Reply #359 on: 08-15-2011 12:28 »

I think that, as you suggested, the trains come from outside NNY.

The tubes are just meant to be a replacement for buses, are they not -centralised within New New York?
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