The old "Everything is worse now" discussion - General Futurama Discussion. SPOILER ALERT

[#360 :]

Unlikeable as in I don't want Fry to end up with her anymore, she's too selfish. Not "un-entertaining" but just a horrible person as a character...

Hm, how can I agree with you more ? I'll just say that I agree with you absolutely.
Leela aside, Amy hither, please.

[#361 :]

I think that, as you suggested, the trains come from outside NNY.

The tubes are just meant to be a replacement for buses, are they not -centralised within New New York?

True, but we also see a lot of buses as well, and cars.  I would have thought the tube system rendered just about all centralized public transport obsolete, but I guess they have to have secondary transport to relieve the pressure that so many passengers on the tubes must have.   Maybe you have different Tube "lines" (like you have the different lines on the London Underground/tube, or the M/TrainFtrains/whatever in Ny? I'm not sure, but hey, the tubes look cool, the upsidedown trains look cool, the flying buses look cool.)
Also, if the trains are from outside NY, I really would love to see what a futuristic Grand Central Station would look like (maybe it will turn out there are extra signs of the Zodiac now or something).  Not Penn station.  That place is an absolute dump.


Also I'm glad to see i'm not the only one who prefers Fry/Amy now! After Fry, she is the kindest character on the show.

[#362 :]

I always found the tubes rather strange... why do they need them, and trains?  I thought the tubes rendered the trains obsolete (unless those trains come from outside NNY which might make sense.)

Yer, you don;t really see them around NNY, so yeah, it's porbably just to get in and out of the city, but I do love the train scenes though, especially in The 30% Iron Chef.

[#363 :]

Also I'm glad to see i'm not the only one who prefers Fry/Amy now! After Fry, she is the kindest character on the show.

You were the only one who prefered Fry and Amy? I resent that!
Now it's just the army of the two of us. It makes huge difference.

[#364 :]

Three.  Amy is rich, she probably has other charactaristics... so others will prefer the pairing.  Nowt like a bit of Ship to Ship Combat.

Then again, whenever we see the trains, we never see how far into NNY they are. They could be straight on the outside, or right into the heart of the city.  Come to think of it how big is NNY?  I'm wondering if the city is much bigger then the original five boroughs, and has now expanded to include Long Island and the surronding area.  (If so, I really hope Long Island is part of the city now.  Do you know how much a train ticket from the LIRR to Penn station?  Obscene.)

[#365 :]

Amy is rich, she probably has other charactaristics

Yep...Fry did miss those "characteristics" when his head was back on his own body

[#366 :]

But the Amy/Fry relationship was impossibly shallow; two people can't forge a decent relationship just because they're both nice (and because they feel the same way about junk and stuff). I don't want to be trite and say that opposites attract...but, at the very least, people shouldn't be falling in love with carbon copies of themselves. Fry and Leela are a much more interesting couple to me (when they're written consistently, that is--and, in season six, it's been sort of a crapshoot), because Leela challenges Fry to be a better person (selfless and mature) and Fry challenges Leela to be a better person (more kindhearted, more impulsive). This is a conversation better suited for the shipping thread, so I'll stop there, but suffice it to say that I think Fry and Leela's relationship is more compelling (and, unfortunately, much more maddening) than Fry and Amy's.

Also: I love Amy with Kif, and their relationship has also gone a long way towards developing both characters as individuals.

[#367 :]

Nowt like a bit of Ship to Ship Combat.

That just sounds like a euphamism for two guys firing semen at each other from across the room.

[#368 :]

So what if Amy is rich. Being rich doesn't make someone a better person. Besides, Amy and Fry make a boring couple. *Yawn*

[#369 :]

I don't understand whats so special about Amy. Leela is much hotter in my opinion anyway. Amy is cute I guess, but she's just boring and annoying most of the time. I can't see Fry and her together long term at all. There's nowhere to go with that relationship.

[#370 :]

Amy is cute, sweet, smart, plucky and a bit of a badass.  Changing the earth's rotation and saving it from doom? That's pretty awesome.

[#371 :]

Yeah, but I can't really see Amy with anyone besides Kif long-term. I love the two of them and I think they have more potential in the future.

[#372 :]

Nowt like a bit of Ship to Ship Combat.

That just sounds like a euphamism for two guys firing semen at each other from across the room.

In other words: My Friday night.

[#373 :]

Nowt like a bit of Ship to Ship Combat.

That just sounds like a euphamism for two guys firing semen at each other from across the room.

In other words: My Friday night.

I'll get the cough syrup.  I need to blank out that horrible mental image Nerd has put in my head. 

Well to be honest, I couldn't see Amy, who can have just about any man she wants lasting with Kif long term, and look where they are now!  Beta couple goes from strength to strength while the alpha couple is just a horrible mess.

[#374 :]

i'd rather see amy single again than with the beta male, kif. let her go back to her floozy ways, i say!

[#375 :]

Nowt like a bit of Ship to Ship Combat.

That just sounds like a euphamism for two guys firing semen at each other from across the room.

In other words: My Friday night.

I'll get the cough syrup.  I need to blank out that horrible mental image Nerd has put in my head. 

Oh please. You know I'll find another one to put in there soon enough.

[#376 :]

i'd rather see amy single again than with the beta male, kif. let her go back to her floozy ways, i say!

Really? Why so?

I honestly like them together. It brings continuity and stability to yet another part of the show. And, like others have mentioned, it develops the two characters more.

[#377 :]

Kif and Amy are good together as she brings out characterizations you wouldn't see if they weren't together (Anger, jealousy, love etc.) If you look at him in seasons one and two when they weren't together, he was (To quote Brannigan) "Meak and Uninteresting" but now that they're together, although still showing some of his old characterization, he's become much more of a developed character

[#378 :]

Yep, He even managed to beat Brannigan in BWABB, and Amy was basically the reason
(Sooner or later, Fry might want to get his chance to do so, too...but after he just was allowed to shoot the guy who dared flirting with Leela, I think he will have to wait a bit more for another revenge... ))

[#379 :]

I've never been a fan of Kif. As Zapp Brannigan's first officer, he should show more respect than he does. The only times I enjoy watching Kif is when Zapp is putting him in his place.

"Kif, stand in that hole so I look taller."

Like most young woman, Amy has a thing for big, pompous jackasses. The 'Badboy', if you will. Why she would all of the sudden get with a weak beta male is beyond me. I never got it, it never felt realistic, and i'll never approve of it.

When she hooked up with 'The Zapper' in 'BWABB', it felt like a return to her true self.

[#380 :]

I don't know, because Amy didn't sleep with Zapp because she has a thing for him (he is fat and gross after all), but because he took advantage of her when she was emotionally very vunrable (five minutes after he was seriously considering killing her and using her skin for a tent.)  The joke with Zapp is that everybody respects him... except everyone who has actually had a conversation with him, that is.   Kiff has absolutely no reason to respect Zapp.  He just does his job (which is mostly cleaning up Zapp's colossal screw ups, sending gift certificates to war widows, cleaning civilian corpses off the windscreen...)   

[#381 :]

His name is spelt with one f, SpaceGoldfish.

[#382 :]

Goldfish makes a good point. Amy was very much acting her current character in BWABB. Zapp is a fatso and thus not Amy's type so her having sex with him was a consequence of her progressing character, since she had sex with him out of grief from losing Kif and saw past his unattractive features because she thought he was sympathetic to her loss. The episode where Amy returned (somewhat) to her original characterization is PI.

If anybody was restored to their "proper" (read: original) characterization in BWABB, it was Kif. He was meant to be a Spock to Brannigan's Kirk, but warped to be "realistic" (an officer who followed all the rules serving under an idiot who constantly broke them yet lucked into a higher position), thus the constant signs at Brannigan's dumb, off-the-book plans. From AWITM onward that part of him was severely gimped, so it was nice to it reinstated in ITWGY onwards (minus a small misstep in PI).

[#383 :]

After watching all of 6B again, the best episode is:


(drum roll)






Fry Am the Eggman

[#384 :]

I definitely agree with that, flesheatingbull, and think that's a really solid episode.

I always thought her relationship with Kif highlighted something deeper in Amy's character - she's physically attracted to the bad boys, of course, but she also has the wisdom to see past that and enter into a committed relationship with Kif out of love rather than lust. But maybe I'm wrong there.

[#385 :]

I think you're totally on the money, spira.  Despite her impulses, Amy is a scientist and scientists tend to think more in the long term.  It should be obvious to her that Kif is a far better choice in the long term than anyone else she's been involved with.

[#386 :]

I need more Zapp and Kif. There aren't enough of them recently, even if just for a cameo like in I Dated a Robot.

[#387 :]

Zapp made an appearance in the first three episodes, didn't he? And Kif was in "Benderama" and possibly "Ghost in the Machines"? I think a consequence of airing the episodes out of order is that there was some character overload towards the start of the season (a lot of Scruffy, for example), and it's thinned out as the season has progressed.

But yeah, I love me some Zapp and Kif. I'm looking forward to that episode next season where

Zapp has the hots for Leela's mom.

Lots of potential there, I think.

[#388 :]

I want more of Mom.   Her appearance in AOTKA didn't do her any justice at all, but Tip of the Zoidberg was pretty awesome for her (even if I'm not sure with the sudden namedrop)

[#389 :]

I think a consequence of airing the episodes out of order is that there was some character overload towards the start of the season (a lot of Scruffy, for example), and it's thinned out as the season has progressed.

But Scruffy has been prominent throughout, not just the near the start...

[#390 :]

Oh Marmalade! I think the best Scruffy moment was his appearance in Prisinor of Benda.  Scruffy works better as a low key character, so moments like that are unexpected and hilarious.  

[#391 :]

I want more of Mom.   Her appearance in AOTKA didn't do her any justice at all, but Tip of the Zoidberg was pretty awesome for her (even if I'm not sure with the sudden namedrop)

She's in Overclockwise, is she not?

[#392 :]

I want more of Mom.   Her appearance in AOTKA didn't do her any justice at all, but Tip of the Zoidberg was pretty awesome for her (even if I'm not sure with the sudden namedrop)

She's in Overclockwise, is she not?

The infosphere says so, but I haven't seen any art or storyboards showing her yet. 
Maybe this episode will also tie up some loose ends on the Professor/Mom relationship?   Mom has said he's the love of her life several times, hasn't she?

[#393 :]

Yeah, there's a few storyboards of her and her children with these space fish/squid things (I have no idea how it'll fit into the plot, but she's defiantly in the episode)

[#394 :]

Oh!  I remember now!  Awesome.   6B has been a big disappointment so far, but one Prionor of Benda is far more important then all the In A Gadda Da Leelas and Attack of the Killer Apps in the world.  So I hope they are going out with a bang.

[#395 :]

6B has been a big disappointment so far,

Way too many people have been saying this, I think it's been better than 6A.

[#396 :]

Yeah, I'm enjoying 6B more than 6A

[#397 :]

i'd prefer 6a more, so far. ACO and TLPJF did it for me. however, FATE was brilliant, and i'm really looking forward to these last few episodes.

[#398 :]

Although no 6B episode has reached the high standard of TLPJF, the average of the second half of the season has been far higher...

[#399 :]

FATE was brilliant,

It's FATEM. Egg Man. Not Eggman.