TheMadCapper

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Not the first time I've called you by that name for no reason. I'm kind of a jerk.
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DannyJC13

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It's hit its rough patches here and there, but overall I don't think the quality of Futurama has declined.
Seasons one through four were overall, excellent. But they weren't perfect, there were still some episodes that seemed silly or rushed.
The 4 movies were inconsistent in my opinion. "Beast With a Billion Backs" and "Bender's Game" were nothing special, while I enjoyed "Bender's Big Score" and "Into the Wild Green Yonder". However, I think a lot of this comes from the change in format. Futurama feels more natural as a 30 minute episode rather than a 90-120 minute movie. With the large increase of time, the writers are going to try new things, and understandably, not all of them will work. So I guess you could say there was a decline in quality here, but I don't think it was from a lack of effort-it was because there were less stories. Two average movies out of four is going to look a lot worse than two mediocre episodes in a season with approximately 20 episodes.
Season 6 ("Rebirth" to "Reincarnation") is usually the cornerstone of this debate. And after "Rebirth" there was a string of average, forgettable episodes. It wasnt quite as consistent as the original run. However, the season as a whole was able to correct its earlier mistakes in later episodes, and I believe the inconsistency was due to various reasons:
1) The debate on whether to make Futurama a more risque show because of the transition from FOX to Comedy Central. At the time of writing it seems that Futurama has settled closer to its cleaner, subtler FOX roots.
2) Getting back into the swing of writing 30-minute episodes isnt going to happen overnight. As smart and creative as the writers of Futurama are, theyre still human and you cant expect perfection.
3) The uncertainty as to how long the show would persevere-as far as we know, Season 7 could be the swan song.
3a) Uncertainty as to where the show would be headed in terms of plot.
Now to the present. I think Season 7 overall has been of similar quality to the original run, honestly. Its been fairly consistent in terms of writing. The humors still strong. The writers still know how to keep us rooting for the characters. The pop culture references that so many complained about in season 6 have been considerably toned down.
Fry and Leela have both become more likable as compared to season 6, where in some instances, Fry was whiny and dramatic, while Leela was much too easily annoyed, even cold and callous at times. They both seem more mature this season, perhaps that's the way they're showing the characters age now?
It has its faults, too. There have been a couple weak endings due to cartoon logic as previously mentioned. However, the writers have demonstrated that they CAN acknowledge and fix their mistakes, and the mistakes of season 7 in my opinion have been minor.
So in conclusion, no, Futurama is still a great show. It has problems, but they can be fixed. Plus, we still have a huge chunk of season 7 left, and some of the upcoming episodes sound brilliant.
Ask me again when season 7 takes its bows, though.
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futurefreak

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Come on man no one's gonna read that. Not even me, and I'm a mod!  I said I was going to nominate Xanfor this month and I stand by my promise. I have been meaning to link this here so let me paste it before the month is up... Finally dawned on me Yes! Why no love for Q? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qi_l_pmRm0g/STFUAzoZZkI/AAAAAAAAAfY/Durt6YnlRKY/s400/Q.png
Yo Zed, Im really happy for you, and Imma let you finish but Trelane was the best Q of all time!
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« Reply #644 on: 08-01-2012 17:04 »
« Last Edit on: 08-05-2012 19:16 by ShepherdofShark »
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 My penis is the size of bat!* *Which kind? You decide!
Is it also equally furry and likely to carry rabies?
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DannyJC13

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I see Bianca's got a working G key again. Neat.
Hopefully the rest of her keyboard will stop working soon. 
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If the trolling density of that picture were any higher, it would collapse within its trolling Schwarzschild radius and form a trolling black hole, possibly enabling travel between our universe and one inhabited entirely by clones of Charlie Sheen.
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Freedom is dead in this country.
Well, look who knows so much. It just so happens that freedom in this country is only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Go through its clothes and look for loose change.
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Tachyon

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...You've got Nibbs.
I could make up some statistics.
97% of us won't give a shit. The other 4% suck at mathing.
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Tachyon

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Why can't metabolisms work like menstrual cycles? The more time you spend with someone, the more they sync up?
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Well done, Faze Linked, not quoted, since the nom-worthy post in question contains a picture. Also, for mystery's sake.
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Tachyon

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@Space: Have you tried changing teams? Or going for a wild lesbian willing to try anything once? Or perhaps you could just duct tape mouths when your lady friend tries to talk. That's kinky right? Just lie and say it's all part of the plan. 
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Yay Gorky! Well done! ~ <3
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This gloriously long-winded post by the newcomer The Sophisticated Shut In in response to some fine folks over in the shippy thread seems worthy. But I digress. On the subject of the Fry and Leela scene in "Free Will Hunting":
Tachyon, I do agree that it's pointless to debate whether they had sex or not. Clearly they were intimate somehow, and whether that involved the traditional sense of intercourse seems besides the point. Even if they were just cuddling, the scene still conveyed a strong carnal element to their attraction to each other, which hitherto has been frustratingly missing ever since ItWGY established that they were indeed a couple.
I agree with this completely; very well-said. Fry and Leela's relationship is often about the two of them talking about how they feel about each other: in the original run, it was Fry telling Leela he loved her and Leela telling him she didn't want to be with him; in the new run, it's been Fry telling Leela he loves her and Leela calling him her sweet goofbag and other such terms of endearment. There have been big romantic gestures on Fry's part along the way--moving the stars, composing an opera, repeatedly sacrificing himself--but for the most part, we've not seen the two characters being physically affectionate on a smaller, more everyday scale, even if that just means hugging or holding hands.
And that's partly what I loved so much about "A Farewell to Arms," "Fun on a Bun," and "Free Will Hunting": we got to see Fry and Leela handling one another the way, well, two people who are romantically-involved and sexually-attracted traditionally handle one another. There have been kisses and hugs; hands have been held and arms caressed. Such little couple-y gestures are probably easy to forget about in animation, but I like seeing Fry and Leela act around one another the way two real people in a relationship might act.
I don't know if I'm making any sense here, or if I sound like a total creep, but no matter. My point here is that I like those physical cues we've been given this season, the ones that indicate Fry and Leela are, you know, in love. What we got in "Free Will Hunting" may just be the most real and natural example of that, like sparkybarky and Spacedal have noted.
This. I've assumed Fry and Leela were having sex since she was so blasé about joining the Mile Deep Club in The Duh-Vinci Code, but it's nice to see it made canon in such an offhand way. Think it's pretty obvious they were post-coital in FWH, by the way.
What's interesting about the Fry / Leela dynamic in 7a is that a lot of it is coming from Leela. Personally, I was of the opinion Leela was repressing feelings for Fry for a long time (pretty much confirmed for me in The Sting) but this season her guard seems to have come down a lot more.
The Butterjunk Effect is a good example. Look at their date in the opening scene. Leela is the one giving affection here (in public) and uses two pretty definitive words ("couple" and "date") quite freely. The whole of last season she kept their relationship on vague terms, but she's labelling it now. Fry might be slow to catch on ("We were going out?") but Leela seems to regard him firmly as her boyfriend. Given her problems committing to him last season, that's significant progress.
There are more subtle things too. Just look at the Butterfly Derby. Okay, so the sport does eventually throw a spanner in their relationship, but there's some evidence to suggest that (ironically) Leela originally does it to impress Fry. This is mainly in the animation, but it is there. Initially, Leela is unimpressed by the sport. ("THIS is what I was expecting" she says, sounding pretty derogotory.) But Fry is into it, and Leela notices. I don't have screencaps (anyone?) but every time he's enthusiastic, she's watching him. And in Elzar's, she didn't mind just denying she and Amy were fighting. She didn't feel a burning urge to go out and prove it wasn't true. So . . . more than one reason for strapping on the wings? I think so.
It's there in Fun on a Bun too. Yes, they break up, but the break-up seems more of a rebuke than a serious bust-up. Judging by the casual way she asks "Where's Fry?" later on, it seems likely Leela just plans on putting him in the doghouse for a while. Then there's the animation in the final scene, when she tells him his version of Oktoberfest is more fun. Look at their expressions. Fry is looking around him, at the partying, but Leela only has eyes (eye? ) for him. She doesn't seem to care all that much about Oktoberfest itself - she cares that it makes him happy. This is a neat reversal of her earlier behavior, and it's a lesson learned. Leela might be more mature than Fry, but he still has quite a bit to teach her about relationships. Time spent with the people you love should be fun, or what's the point? Fry tries to tell her this when he says "So what? I'm finally having fun" but she's not in the mood to listen and has to learn it the hard way. Her willingness to embarrass herself at the episode's end suggests she appreciates what Fry was trying to do. And once again, we have Leela making the gesture for Fry.
In FWH we once again have a somewhat distracted Fry, and a Leela who's reaching out to him. He misses Bender, she comforts him. It's the flipside of him comforting over her Mom's marriage to Zapp, and it really evens out their relationship. Fry isn't the one doing all the chasing anymore. There can't be (or shouldn't be) any question his feelings are reciprocated, which is a welcome change from the ambiguousness of season 6. It's character development, and I like it!
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As you can see the bottom left corner of the screen is brighter than the rest.
That's just the spiffy avatar in that corner making the screen appear brighter. 
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« Reply #662 on: 08-19-2012 22:28 »
« Last Edit on: 08-20-2012 17:51 »
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Bender: Cockblocker since episode one.
The cannon is not canon?
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Professor Zoidy

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I'd say that space travel is far too dangerous to risk the current only viable choice beyond the moon.
Would you have said that sea voyages were far too dangerous to risk sending a longship full of warriors to find the edge of the world? Would you have said that flight was far too dangerous to risk sending men into the sky to defeat the Luftwaffe? Would you have said that it was far too dangerous to explore the deserts, the poles, the ocean floor?
There's a risk, yes. But surely that risk is more than acceptable for the potential rewards? The knowledge, the information, the discoveries, the inspiration, the accomplishments that may be gained through the pursuit of exploration, through pushing back boundaries, through extending our reach... aren't they worth taking risks?
I mean, every time you get into your car to go to the shops, you're taking a risk. Every time you board an aircraft or a boat, you're taking a risk. Every time you get into the shower or the bath, you're taking a risk, too.
When you smoke, you engage in risk. When you choose a pension scheme, you take a risk. When you get drunk, you take a risk. When you have unprotected sexual activity, you may be risking several things depending on your partner. Risks are all around you... and you take greater cumulative risks than simply riding a few tons of explosive fuel to a place with no air every day. It's just that they have some sort of immediate reward attached to them, and so many other people take those same risks that you're comfortable with them because you don't really believe that there's a chance of you ever becoming a statistic.
If you don't take risks, the best that you can hope for in life is to live long enough to realise that taking risks is exactly what you should have done in life. Of course, now that I've said that I'm reminded of another quote from Red Dwarf. I think you might be able to guess which exchange between the Cat and Rimmer I'm thinking of. 
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DannyJC13

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...It saddens me that my longest friendship must now come to an end so uncomfortably. It would have been so much better if he'd just died.
If I didn't know for a fact that he was writing this shit about a girl, I'd swear blind he was queer.
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« Reply #666 on: 09-01-2012 04:55 »
« Last Edit on: 09-10-2012 19:48 by ShepherdofShark »
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 Bender: Mmmmm...Lug nuts... I reckon I'm looking at somewhere exactly in the middle of somewhere in between 39% and 41% -- ish
Professor(exasperated): How can you say everything is always 40% ?
Bender: Cause if I say something's 40%, I can steal 60%, return 40% and claim it's 100%.
Hermes: Are you sure you're a bending unit and not a banking unit ?
Bender: About 40% sure.
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And I get what you're saying tnuk, about how they aren't likely to take over from us, but I still like to think they could. I also like to think that sea creatures are actually preventing us from living in their territory. They probably talk about how humans might some day take over the ocean, and then there's that one guy with eighteen tentacles and a monocle who chuckles and says "I highly doubt that, my friends. I highly doubt that." IMAGINE IT.
A month or so back Coldy and I were having a bedtime discussion about what creature is most likely going to be able to take over from humans. It's fun to invent new hybrids to answer this question.
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^ We actually discuss it quite frequently. I like to think it will be the humble and hard-working octopus.
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PEELing has ruined my life. I'm 31 years old...
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Tachyon

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A solution has been found. Everything back to normal. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me, [-mArc-]!
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futurefreak

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Why are you going to New Mexico? It may be the best Mexico, but most people don't go there without some sort of compelling reason.
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DannyJC13

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I'll teach you how to kajigger real good. 
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« Reply #675 on: 09-21-2012 22:46 »
« Last Edit on: 09-21-2012 23:12 »
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DannyJC13

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Good thing it's only a TV show. Imagine if these guys were in charge of something important.
Futurama is important, little in life has given me the pleasure and joy of Futurama...
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Tachyon

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And if you can't agree who gets to be on top, you can bring in the Vice President to cast the tie-breaking vote!
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« Reply #679 on: 09-29-2012 04:13 »
« Last Edit on: 09-29-2012 04:15 »
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Everything in this topic reminds me that I'm an awkward bum. 
There, there. We were all awkward bums once.
Some of us still are, just in pairs.
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