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Unit42

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« Reply #120 on: 07-12-2013 01:22 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 01:30 »

Not sure why anyone could think fan art could ever be "real" art? It's very core is unoriginal.

I know you're trying to marginalize fan art and demean derivative works, but come on...you could've just came out and  said "if one of you bottom feeders copies some shit into the their fan art, it's still shit so why complain about it?"  

And don't try to lump me into the same category as MissFuturama, because I draw all my stuff (foregrounds, characters and backgrounds) okay? Thanks.  (Or, is my gripes about image theft and sticking outside images into fan art out of line because I'm not popular enough?)  Around here,  I know you guys think she's hot shit and will stick up for her "art", but I get it.  Thanks, again. :rollseyes:

I'd like to think of fan art as a tribute/hobby on a subject of TV or comics, but because it's a derivative work (I never said it was 100% original) at least have the decency to draw the stuff yourself, or TRY to learn about the artwork without copying, pasting or tracing your way to a finished product.  And I firmly believe that if you draw a picture that's derivative art--as long as it's an original drawing where nothing is copied or traced---it IS art, period.

As with anything that takes practice, you're going to suck until you don't and I'd rather see fan art that's so-so than fan art that looks pseudo-professional that's been made out of overpainted, stolen works.
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« Reply #121 on: 07-12-2013 01:43 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 01:45 »

I'm actually a little confused as to what's going on. If you could show me where she has traced by showing me where any of the traced images/photos are, that'd be cool, because I didn't know about her tracing work. Although I guess it would explain why she didn't respond when I complemented her backgrounds. Other than that though, I don't really think it calls for you to keep bringing it up and posting the deviantstamps that are also on your profile or anything. I happen to notice that most of them are anti-tracing and copying. Honestly that's how you learn new things though, a lot of it is just copying what you see. I trace bases sometimes because I believe it helps me. Not because I want to start a theft war. But of course, I understand this may be a slightly different situation. If MissFuturama credited the images she used for her drawings, then I'd have less of a problem with it. I do disagree with a lot of what you've said though to be honest. Other than that I like your art, keep up the good work, and apologies if I sound rude or anything.
Unit42

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« Reply #122 on: 07-12-2013 02:17 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 02:24 »

I'm actually a little confused as to what's going on. If you could show me where she has traced by showing me where any of the traced images/photos are, that'd be cool, because I didn't know about her tracing work.

Backgrounds traced/over-colored:

http://missfuturama.deviantart.com/art/It-s-not-so-Easy-to-Kill-Bender-367383092

http://missfuturama.deviantart.com/art/Got-you-on-my-Radar-366627096

http://missfuturama.deviantart.com/art/Belle-Mort-380363634

^^Originals are stored on her deviant stash; 3rd one is background blurred from the above 2.

http://simpspin.deviantart.com/art/Golden-Memory-354443608

^^colored over screen grab background

http://missfuturama.deviantart.com/art/Hi-There-353299805

^^pasted woodgrain and wallpaper background

http://missfuturama.deviantart.com/art/Springfield-Penitentiary-Burns-M-351624502

http://missfuturama.deviantart.com/art/Flight-316892512

^^recolored background screen grabs.

http://missfuturama.deviantart.com/art/Bender-s-Wedding-Beginning-SiNNY-381567293

http://missfuturama.deviantart.com/art/Bender-s-Wedding-SiNNY-381354929

^^ I'm going out on a limb and say these are also pasted / borrowed backgrounds because they look too good for her skill set.  Also, if you see wood grain in her pictures, she used 'stock' art and pasted in along with wallpaper patterns, etc.

(Her backgroundless pictures I don't have any issue with, though.)

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Honestly that's how you learn new things though, a lot of it is just copying what you see. I trace bases sometimes because I believe it helps me. Not because I want to start a theft war. But of course, I understand this may be a slightly different situation. If MissFuturama credited the images she used for her drawings, then I'd have less of a problem with it. I do disagree with a lot of what you've said though to be honest. Other than that I like your art, keep up the good work, and apologies if I sound rude or anything.

I 'know' I should only worry about my stuff, but when people see the above examples, they think it's 'amazing' art, but when the pic is over half traced--or any part traced, you can't call it 'art' and it's Deviant Art not Deviant Trace.

When you're learning stuff and are scribbling something out is not the same as copying something and calling it "art".  I traced one picture in the past 14 years and directly copied 1 or 2 pics in the same amount of time.  Most of my practice came from drawing the character over and over again on a sheet of paper before I attempted an actual art piece.  I had the original 'cartooning with the Simpsons' book in the late 1990's and that was my only reference and I learned some of the secondary characters from old issues of the Simpsons comics.  I never copied a character or traced one out of a comic, though.
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« Reply #123 on: 07-12-2013 02:24 »

She has said before that she doesn't like creating backgrounds and often copies them.  Really, why do you get so wound up over it instead of creating your art for your sake?

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To be honest, I did not draw this background myself smile
1) I'm too lazy
2) I can not handle with the prospect.
I took the background from series and worked with it in Photoshop and SAI.
This is the original:




Lyra405

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« Reply #124 on: 07-12-2013 02:39 »

I was wondering that too Tachyon. 

I was actually hoping you'd be able to show me specific images, images that aren't drawn by her. I'll have another look tomorrow, because it's quite difficult to look at all the links while using a Nintendo 3DS for internet access.

About the wallpaper and woodgrain, I actually see a lot of people paste patterns or use specific brushes, although they do give credit.

I'm not sure this changes my opinion on her art though, even if they are traced.
Unit42

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« Reply #125 on: 07-12-2013 02:40 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 03:06 »

She has said before that she doesn't like creating backgrounds and often copies them.  Really, why do you get so wound up over it instead of creating your art for your sake?

I should really start pasting unoriginal shit into my pictures so I can get more watchers and faves on DA.  Really.   roll eyes 

Seriously, if I did what MF does, I'd be like: "I've got to get this picture done and looking nice...I whatever way I can, no matter how cheap."
Unit42

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« Reply #126 on: 07-12-2013 03:15 »

I was wondering that too Tachyon. 

I was actually hoping you'd be able to show me specific images, images that aren't drawn by her. I'll have another look tomorrow, because it's quite difficult to look at all the links while using a Nintendo 3DS for internet access.

Some of her stuff is stored on her DA.stash and her other pics are from google image searches.  But for someone who admits not being able to draw backgrounds, you can't tell me she just 'drew' them out of the blue.  Admitting you 'stole' something doesn't make it any less stolen.

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About the wallpaper and woodgrain, I actually see a lot of people paste patterns or use specific brushes, although they do give credit.

I'm not sure this changes my opinion on her art though, even if they are traced.

If you're popular enough to get away with this kind of "art" then yeah and I can't put enough quotes around the word "art" in this sentence.. If I came here and posted fan 'art' with characters that were traced and pasted on my backgrounds, I'd be interragated and probably shunned and banned.

And most insulting of all is I tried to draw for myself and my backgrounds are better than her  copied backgrounds and nobody thinks a lot about them, but people go apeshit over half-copied and traced art and I get ignored.  But anyway...

"What is the most common un-liked method of drawing in particular? Let’s for the time being assume it is the act of Tracing. Tracing is by all means a tool; an act; a step towards creating an image. Tracing in itself is – it is important to remember – not Art.

There is no debate on the matter. It is what it is, and isn’t what it isn’t. No matter how many times you pace around and persuade yourself otherwise – this fact is not going to change!

That being said, I should state that any Defined object or entity can’t bend in definition based on the whims of a human being. Fads and Trends may adopt Titles and alter the message implied when delivered – but all that does is create a new slang term without any significant alteration.

Art is Art. An Image; a figure; a pile of random things thought to create a figure or an image – it is defined as Art. You will note how many times when an Artwork is disliked it is attacked by speaking “That’s not Art, that’s just ----,” and so on. It is the intent to change the identity of something when it is not accepted. Unfortunately no matter how hard the cry, the Artwork still remains an Artwork.

Point of the matter – Anything is Art no matter your opinion. You may only dictate how much you like it. Tools are tools – they are used to create Art but are not Art in themselves. Fact – sure a traced or copied or stolen image is Art, but when those Tools aren’t acceptable [which they aren’t] so too is the Artwork."

--venomspit on DA
Lyra405

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« Reply #127 on: 07-12-2013 03:47 »

Nonetheless I believe you to be slightly over-reacting to the situation, judging from your posts, and the anti-tracing stamps on your DeviantArt page.

I believe my art to be better than a lot of people's, but even though I've had three accounts on the site for over five years, my total pageviews wouldn't exceed 20,000. I'm guessing you aren't happy with your popularity on DeviantArt, since you have brought it up a few times. Some people own groups, befriend new people, draw something very popular over and over again, or they just happen to get lucky. Fandoms tend to attract big interest, and from personal experience, my Futurama art is never as popular as my drawings of cute cats. If you've done a lot of those things, keep at it and try your best to get yourself heard through groups and socialization. Drawing isn't just for popularity. It is, above all else, supposed to be enjoyable for the artist.

I'm going to stop posting about the subject now, as I assume you don't want it clogging up your art thread.
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« Reply #128 on: 07-12-2013 04:47 »

Unit42, I believe your time could be better spent drawing more art rather than going on a diatribe about how somebody else uses other people's work in their own. Just because somebody has little or no artistic integrity (which is vague to say anyway) doesn't mean you need to profess it and ridicule the person.  I like your art, and you seem like a nice person, but chasing a snipe over the Internet is stupid. You can't win.
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« Reply #129 on: 07-12-2013 05:15 »

I'm saying that logically there is no basis for any of your imagined standards. Most of them sound like they're rooted in grade school level myth's of how art "should" be. Cute in a kid but disturbung if you're getting anywhere near adulthood. It's begining to sound like the obsessive neurotic rantings of someone that's having trouble with the real world knocking the props out from an eloborate imaginary world. Even to the point of focusing on MS as if she somehow is to blame for your trouble. A 14 year old girl from halfway around the world is somehow out to get you or your little world or something. Whaaaaaaaa....  cry !
Unit42

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« Reply #130 on: 07-12-2013 08:10 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 08:13 »

Thanks to glittercandy at DA for these:



HIGHasFRY

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« Reply #131 on: 07-12-2013 08:19 »

But she didn't copy 98% of the work she just dropped a background in.
Unit42

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« Reply #132 on: 07-12-2013 08:22 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 08:25 »

Which are traced screen grabs or overpainted pictures.  IMO, tracing/overpainting a background is as bad as tracing a character.  (Fan shields up!) tongue  Whether it's the character(s) or background, tracing is tracing and over-painting is tracing on crack.
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« Reply #133 on: 07-12-2013 10:55 »

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And most insulting of all is I tried to draw for myself and my backgrounds are better than her  copied backgrounds and nobody thinks a lot about them, but people go apeshit over half-copied and traced art and I get ignored.  But anyway...
Envy is a deadly sin, you know tongue.
Unit42

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« Reply #134 on: 07-12-2013 11:13 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 11:15 »

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And most insulting of all is I tried to draw for myself and my backgrounds are better than her  copied backgrounds and nobody thinks a lot about them, but people go apeshit over half-copied and traced art and I get ignored.  But anyway...
Envy is a deadly sin, you know tongue.

Yup, Im jealous over her inability to create backgrounds without resorting to tracing.  roll eyes
laurenSmiles1

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« Reply #135 on: 07-12-2013 11:18 »

I can't draw backgrounds. And I admit on using other peoples, or I normally just leave it without one.
Box Incorporated

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« Reply #136 on: 07-12-2013 11:35 »

That tracing tutorial is funny as hell, but honestly, you really should just let this go. I know your mad at MissFuturama for tracing a few backgrounds yet still getting more views than your original artwork, but it's not worth it to just continue to complain and go deeper into this than it really is. Just be happy about the art you create and the people who do look at them instead of going insane trying to show everyone how bad other artists are for cookie cutting, even to the ones who barely even do it and actually admit to doing it. Please, just go back to making artwork and stop wrapping yourself up in this.
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« Reply #137 on: 07-12-2013 11:54 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 12:00 »

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And most insulting of all is I tried to draw for myself and my backgrounds are better than her  copied backgrounds and nobody thinks a lot about them, but people go apeshit over half-copied and traced art and I get ignored.  But anyway...
Envy is a deadly sin, you know tongue.

Yup, Im jealous over her inability to create backgrounds without resorting to tracing.  roll eyes

Fan art is always a balance act, between using pre-made aspects, and your genuinely own creations.

- I COULD claim your pieces are not REALLY art as you did not really develop your own style. The bulging eyes, overbite, body proportions....everything you did was "stolen" from Groening. And -by your logic- I COULD claim that this is in no way better than copying an image. (That's not really what I think. I just to illustrate my point by mirroring your logic with other aspects).
- With the same legitimation, someone else could argue my drawings are not art. I might have developed my own style, but used characters designed by other folks. I "stole" them, and had to use their popularity to attract attention to my works. Therefore, my stuff is not to be considered art until I manage to come up with own creations (I would also take objections to that definition).

Fanart always featured a balance between using existing pieces, and genuinely own creations. The ratio between those two varies between the different artists.
You draw your personal line at "tracing backgrounds" for your pieces.
You know what: That's your taste, your personal preference, and completely fine...FOR YOU.

But your personal balance ("Copying someone's style = Okay, Using a read background = Not okay") is no binding reference for other fan artists. It does not draw a binding line between art and non-art for them. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone in here is eligible to draw such line for the public.

One last suggestion: Read the comic "The City" by James Herbert and Ian Miller. Then we can rediscuss wether images featuring slightly overpainted backgrounds are not supposed to be art.
Unit42

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« Reply #138 on: 07-12-2013 12:18 »

I.H.,

The rationale you gave is like saying it's okay to cheat,  trace,  copy or paste due to fan art in general being a bullshit genre. That is not only insulting to me, but to people,who like to draw it who don't resort to cheating.

Really?
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« Reply #139 on: 07-12-2013 13:49 »

Every assassin has their overworked manifesto to inform all the people what their doing wrong. Perhaps you should move to a cabin in Montana and change your handle to something like The Unitooner. From there you can send out illustrated brain fart bombs to people that don't conform to your standards.
Unit42

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« Reply #140 on: 07-12-2013 14:05 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 14:50 »

Since when is tracing a desirable standard?

Is taking the,easy way out the optimal way to do something?  I was told if anything is worth doing, you have to take your lumps till you get it.
Lyra405

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« Reply #141 on: 07-12-2013 14:07 »

Alright, you're honestly making a bigger deal out of this than needed. I don't understand why you won't drop the case. There is no need for this.
Unit42

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« Reply #142 on: 07-12-2013 14:52 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2013 14:54 »

Alright, you're honestly making a bigger deal out of this than needed. I don't understand why you won't drop the case. There is no need for this.

Alright, I'll stop, but my last word on this is if people trace images that aren't their own  into their art, at least have the decency not to be smug about it.
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« Reply #143 on: 07-12-2013 20:45 »

A lot of letters in this page makes my eyes bleed,but I think what is going on, and I'm sorry if I can sound rude with this.

Take references isn't bad thing but as you say trace isn't ok,I mean if you're 12 or 14 I think it's an acceptable phase because they are  experiencing with their art, but she is 20? then well I'm not gonna blame her because I can't do backgrounds either but I would never trace something directly,( I prefer draw something and even if look like trash, who cares! at least  tried and learned), and again references aren't a bad thing.

Anyway,finally she is fooling herself because she doesn't want to try and learn more as artist,so she keep her art as the same thing,same poses and same backgrounds,because is what works for her.

By the way,I'm not the one for judge everyone else works but come on! she isn't getting money for it,because then that would be a huge problem (plagiarism),as long she has fun with her art and you with your art,then why fight about it?

So,don't feel frustrated about it,someday eventually more people will realize that.

PS. Your backgrounds> her backgrounds, also I have a thing for traditional art.
Unit42

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« Reply #144 on: 07-13-2013 05:31 »



By the way,I'm not the one for judge everyone else works but come on! she isn't getting money for it,because then that would be a huge problem (plagiarism),as long she has fun with her art and you with your art,then why fight about it?

This next pic I'm doing is a step AWAY from Groening style art.  Besides the character, the landscape/scenery is my passion in art and I'm throwing everything but the kitchen sink into this to make one of the best Simpsons-based drawings ever.

If people like the artwork in the scenery, I might make a scenery-only painting and sell the downloads on DA.
Unit42

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« Reply #145 on: 07-13-2013 05:51 »

One last thing, if anyone wants to read an art tip book that is the best resource for learning backgrounds, get this:



It's a simple to read book that teaches perspectives in the most clear, concise manner I've ever read.  If it wasn't for this book, it would have taken me a lot longer to become accustomed to drawing backgrounds.
Lyra405

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« Reply #146 on: 07-13-2013 13:29 »

Oh wow, it looks pretty good. I'm going to have a look for it, I find it very difficult to draw backgrounds sometimes. Perspective especially.
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« Reply #147 on: 07-13-2013 13:50 »

The rationale you gave is like saying it's okay to cheat,  trace,  copy or paste due to fan art in general being a bullshit genre. That is not only insulting to me, but to people,who like to draw it who don't resort to cheating.

Get off your high horse. This is reminding me of the discussion that this post by Freako spawned.

Nobody's saying it's a bullshit genre. Fanart is as much art as any other creative form of expression. But to get mad over the level to which somebody is copying their work from somebody else is bullshit.

The entire point of fan art is that it's derivative. You're using somebody else's character, images (mental or actual), words, pictures, whatever for reference. You're not creating the universe you're playing with. Even if you step away from the style of art that you're copying, you're at best re-imagining a universe that somebody else came up with (and you're probably not the only one to have had the idea in the first place. There are bound to be similar pieces, because a popular work will always have a surfeit of derivative works associated with it, and some of them will always be "re-interpretations" in another style).

As a fan artist, you're an artist. You're not producing "original content" though. That's a completely bullshit label. The people who produce Game of Thrones or Wheel of Time or Dark Tower or Simpsons or Futurama or Pokemon fanart are all producing content based on a universe that somebody else created. Books, shows, games, they're all somebody else's work that you're using to come up with your art. It's derivative, it's not original content, and to complain about the degree to which somebody's fan art is derivative seems to be akin to differentiating between the different severities of death that a fatal injury results in.

This next pic I'm doing is a step AWAY from Groening style art... I'm throwing everything but the kitchen sink into this to make one of the best Simpsons-based drawings ever.

You're still playing in Groening's sandbox. You're still using his characters in his universe, and taking inspiration from his ideas to create something that is not "original content". It's ultimately come from Groening, and all you've done is produce something based on the output of his imagination. You've applied your own vision to it, and it's your creation. But to try to say that you're producing something with more originality or artistic merit than a tracing is ridiculous.

By applying your own style, you're exercising your creativity. By drawing things for yourself rather than tracing, you're developing your own skill. It's still art, and it's still a showcase for your talents. But whatever original elements you put in... story, your own characters, your own backgrounds, jokes, etc... it's also still derivative, because you're still playing in somebody else's universe.

If you're going to be making art that's derivative, I don't see what the problem is in sticking as close to the source material as your chosen style allows. If you see tracing as being unacceptable in that context, then I'm not sure why you're creating derivative works in the first place.

It's not even your work that's being traced here. Just because you're not getting any recognition as an artist doesn't mean you have a right to whine and throw tantrums like some spoiled, entitled, rich kid who isn't allowed to have a slave for his birthday. Oh poor you. You'll have to get the ice for your champagne from the freezer yourself. Like some kind of animal.

Start producing art that people actually give a shit about, and you'll find your talent being recognised. Stop producing utterly derivative works, and pull something either out of your own imagination, or from life, or from a work that's so deeply ingrained into popular conciousness that people will have an opinion bout it whether or not they know anything about the work in question (and I'm thinking of things like the Bible, classical mythology, etc. here - The Simpsons isn't really on that level yet). Find something all of your own that you can make people connect with on some level, and you'll start to gain recognition for your talents. Until then, you'll only ever be just one of thousands of fan artists on the internet, and even achieving online notoriety is never going to result in fame, fortune, or anything worth a shit outside of a computer.
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« Reply #148 on: 07-13-2013 15:05 »
« Last Edit on: 07-13-2013 15:42 »

It's called FAN art, so by that term everyone knows you didn't invent it, duh, it's you're just making a derivative picture!  I'm sure people who draw it know they didn't 'just happen' to draw a picture with the Simpsons in it and say it was an accident.  I know I have one or two strikes against me because I didn't invent (insert show/movie here), but I like to say that it's fun to do for the sake of fun to do and I drew it with minimal references and zero tracing.  In FAN art, tracing is like Leela said: "Cheating in a fixed fight.".

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Since we (you) have established the fact that fan artists should be held in utter contempt for their imagined "skills", tracing a derivative work is perfectly acceptable (and encouraged!) because tracing is more of an homage to the original work than  anyone's feeble attempt to make a derivative work off it, and you look more like a real artist, right?  Who needs to actually draw something...that's work!  Plus, actually drawing takes away time from important things, like porn and drinking!  And tracing is faster, too!

/sarcasm.

But seriously, this is a FAN ART forum.  I didn't post my ran on message board that talks about sparrows or Kia's, so in the realms of FAN ART, it's is perfectly acceptable to have gripes over fan art, you're massive red herring of a post not withstanding.

I also know I'd be bitched out for copying chunks of text and dialog from actual Futurama episodes and posting them in a 'fan fic' I claimed to have written, so why is it less of a 'wrong' to trace scenes from the show and put them into fan art?
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« Reply #149 on: 07-13-2013 16:17 »
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It's called FAN art, so by that term everyone knows you didn't invent it, duh, it's you're just making a derivative picture!  I'm sure people who draw it know they didn't 'just happen' to draw a picture with the Simpsons in it and say it was an accident.

Nobody said that people make fan art by accident, or that people try to pass the work that their fan art is an homage to off as their own. You're not making yourself look smarter or seem more credible by making statements like that. You just sound like you don't really know what's been said to you.

I know I have one or two strikes against me because I didn't invent (insert show/movie here), but I like to say that it's fun to do for the sake of fun to do

If the people who trace their art also do it because they enjoy doing so, then I don't really see why you have a problem with that. They're just not using the same methodology as you - your contempt for them is pure snobbery.

and I drew it with minimal references and zero tracing.  In FAN art, tracing is like Leela said: "Cheating in a fixed fight.".

No. In fan art, tracing is a method that people use to ensure that they manage to accurately capture the look of the original that has inspired them. It's not some kind of crime, it's how people who can't get their art to look "right" by drawing it out for themselves realise their vision.

Since we (you) have established the fact that fan artists should be held in utter contempt for their imagined "skills"

I've said no such thing. In fact, in my post I acknowledged that fan art often takes real skill and talent to produce, whilst saying at the same time that it's no less derivative for that fact.

Since we (you) have established... tracing a derivative work is perfectly acceptable (and encouraged!) because tracing is more of an homage to the original work than  anyone's feeble attempt to make a derivative work off it,

Nobody's said that tracing is "more of an homage" to the original work either. Try reading the words that people use, instead of skimming over posts and mentally filling in what you think you've missed between the beginning and the end - you might find it helpful.

Who needs to actually draw something...that's work!  Plus, actually drawing takes away time from important things, like porn and drinking!  And tracing is faster, too!

That's probably not how the people who trace pictures view it - they're using the best methods available to them in order to produce the image that's inside their head as an actual thing. It's not easy to draw, paint, or create art in any medium. If somebody feels that their only recourse is to use traced elements in their work in order to match their internal vision, then they shouldn't be vilified for doing so. Their work is no less valid as art, it's still something they've taken the time to produce as a creative expression of what they enjoy, and what's inside their mind.

/sarcasm.

You keep using that word.

But seriously, this is a FAN ART forum.
Yes it is, and you're ranting and raving about fan art on it. Congratulations for managing to stay on topic. Have a cookie.

I didn't post my ran on message board that talks about sparrows or Kia's,

No, you didn't. Have another cookie. What you're saying doesn't actually demonstrate anything though. You're using words, but you're not getting any closer to making a point than you were by saying that fan art isn't created by accident. roll eyes

so in the realms of FAN ART, it's is perfectly acceptable to have gripes over fan art, you're massive red herring of a post not withstanding.

Whilst it may be perfectly acceptable to "have a gripe" over fan art, it's not acceptable to single somebody out for unwarranted criticism and act as though you feel you're entitled to any recognition that they've received because you feel that they have somehow "cheated" and you're not receiving what you think is due praise for your output. My post wasn't in any way a red herring. It addresses your gripe, and tells you in no uncertain terms why you're being a gigantic baby and should just quit whining before people start to think that you don't deserve any recognition due to being an enormously unpleasant individual.

I also know I'd be bitched out for copying chunks of text and dialog from actual Futurama episodes and posting them in a 'fan fic' I claimed to have written, so why is it less of a 'wrong' to trace scenes from the show and put them into fan art?

If you're writing a fanfic that requires chunks of actual Futurama dialogue, then there's nothing wrong with using them. Copying and pasting the entire transcript of an episode isn't creating your own fanfic, but modifying that transcript might actually make it something that's derivative, but worth reading for somebody. Who knows? I certainly wouldn't claim that this is an unacceptable approach to writing a fanfic. Using the source material to flesh out your non-canon contribution to an imaginary universe certainly wouldn't be the strangest mode of self-expression out there.

You're just butthurt because somebody is getting more attention and more Meaningless Internet Points™ than you are. You think that your talent deserves more appreciation than it's getting, and are taking out your frustrations on somebody who hasn't done anything wrong, and who is definitely not at fault.

Grow up and get over it, kiddo. The world's not fair, and you'd best get used to it.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #150 on: 07-13-2013 16:46 »
« Last Edit on: 07-13-2013 17:03 »

I.H.,

The rationale you gave is like saying it's okay to cheat,  trace,  copy or paste due to fan art in general being a bullshit genre. That is not only insulting to me, but to people,who like to draw it who don't resort to cheating.

Really?

Read my post again, maybe you'll understand.
I never claimed fanart to be a "bullshit genre".

It's also absurd: You called other folks "liars", "cheaters". You insist you are entitled to do so because they use a drawing technique you disapprove.
Some Peelers here (whom I personally respect) occasionally trace certain image elements. Your insistence to keep up to the terms "liars", "cheaters", "thieves" is de facto your insistence to uphold those insults towards those persons. Folks who never done you anything wrong, and never said a bad word about your art.

And then -after that complete lack of respect and behaviour towards others- you claim you were "insulted" by an opinion you disapprove. You dish out endlessly towards others, and suddenly go oversensitive at the slightest criticism?
Nope, not with me.


You're just butthurt because somebody is getting more attention and more Meaningless Internet Points™ than you are. You think that your talent deserves more appreciation than it's getting, and are taking out your frustrations on somebody who hasn't done anything wrong, and who is definitely not at fault.

Grow up and get over it, kiddo. The world's not fair, and you'd best get used to it.

Indeed. Also:

First pic here since this place opened years ago..



It's for MissFuturama.  The girl on the right is Felecia DeGeorge from my Simpsons spinoff idea.

It's obvious something happened. You do not invest time to draw someone a gift whom you loathe (nor give them a Deviantart Premium Membership). Yet, the reasons for that dispute is none of mine (or anyone else's) business. But it seems obvious that Unit42 mainly wants to share his present animosity towards MissFuturama with the world, and it seems any excuse might be eligible. Had she never overpainted a background, I assume he'd probably come up with another aspect of her art, and gripe about it's unaccetability.
Unit42

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« Reply #151 on: 07-13-2013 17:10 »

(Since I'm on my phone I can't cut and paste.)

I'm going to bottom line this for you:

Tracing is something into a picture is like copying 50% or more, of a Futurama script into afanscript and trying to pass it off as your own work.  Because drawing is "difficult" you deem its an acceptable to do whatever it takes to make the pic work, which is just a cop out, fan art or otherwise.  Tracing is visual plagerism, period.  I don't care how popular you are, tracing is for 6 year Olds and most elementary schoolsdiscourage the practice after the 2nd grade.  A traced picture is a traced picture.  Coloring over it doesn't change that fact.  

BTW, If you're going to post another self felletoing diatribe about how,taking the easy out is acceptable, be my guest.  Just keep saying it's okay to be lazy and how I'm a jerk/asshole/butthurt (hee,hee) for people being loved for cheating, etc.  I'm still going to give you the same stooopid answers. smile  
laurenSmiles1

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« Reply #152 on: 07-13-2013 17:26 »
« Last Edit on: 07-13-2013 17:30 »

This is getting ridiculous now. If you don't like her then you don't like her, there is no need in bitchy about it to the whole internet (well anyone who reads this.) I don't care if she traces or not, her work is still amazing!

If you carry on this way people might start thinking the same about you. You really do remind me of someone who I don't want to mention for certain reasons.
Lyra405

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« Reply #153 on: 07-13-2013 17:38 »

Precisely what everyone else is saying. You need to stop whining about it and move on now, since this doesn't really seem to be going anywhere. It makes me think you're being rather obsessive. You're definitely not giving the best impression of yourself. 
futz
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« Reply #154 on: 07-13-2013 17:43 »

I've seen this episode before.

Unit42

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« Reply #155 on: 07-13-2013 17:51 »

I actually look like frank grimes, before he died.
laurenSmiles1

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« Reply #156 on: 07-13-2013 17:58 »

Unit42

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« Reply #157 on: 07-13-2013 18:01 »

Nobody has survived life yet...
laurenSmiles1

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« Reply #158 on: 07-13-2013 18:04 »

We're basically all survivors... up until the point when we're not. tongue
Unit42

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« Reply #159 on: 07-13-2013 18:05 »

And its,cool to be a zombie.
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