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hopie4ever

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« Reply #560 on: 02-20-2012 21:20 »




leiapadme77

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« Reply #561 on: 02-29-2012 02:09 »

Best thing ever.
bankrupt

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« Reply #562 on: 02-29-2012 04:31 »

I always figured his goiter was full of money...
Svip

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« Reply #563 on: 02-29-2012 19:37 »

Best thing ever.


Nice to see Leia finally also getting in on the ridiculing George Lucas for being a greedy bastard.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #564 on: 03-01-2012 21:10 »
« Last Edit on: 03-01-2012 21:14 »

Best thing ever.


Nice to see Leia finally also getting in on the ridiculing George Lucas for being a greedy bastard.

No, just because someone is rich does not necessarily mean they are
greedy

Also, I would interpret that meme as proof of how genius he is. I don't see you with $22 billion dollars.
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« Reply #565 on: 03-01-2012 21:19 »

Best thing ever.


Nice to see Leia finally also getting in on the ridiculing George Lucas for being a greedy bastard.

No, just because someone is rich does not necessarily mean they are
greedy

Great, some billionaire donates some of his money to charity.  That suddenly makes him a good guy and everybody forgets that is still a greedy bastard.  Excellent PR.

Also, I would interpret that meme as proof of how genius he is. I don't see you with $22 billion dollars.

You don't have to be a genius to be rich.  In fact, most geniuses are not very rich.  And people who make a lot of money in this capitalistic society usually behave as rational as monkeys hitting typewriters according to studies.
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #566 on: 03-01-2012 21:22 »

I'll happily accept that Lucas is some sort of genius. What I refuse to accept is that he is a genius as a film director.
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« Reply #567 on: 03-01-2012 21:22 »

In fact, most geniuses are not very rich.

Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #568 on: 03-01-2012 21:24 »

Best thing ever.


Nice to see Leia finally also getting in on the ridiculing George Lucas for being a greedy bastard.

Also, I would interpret that meme as proof of how genius he is. I don't see you with $22 billion dollars.

I agree with svip here, the fact that the Star Wars franchise has earned $22bn doesn't make Lucas a genius, it makes him exactly like every other person out there who had a good idea for something. Difference is, he got lucky.

Also, lawl Bend-err. Well got that in there tongue
Gopher

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« Reply #569 on: 03-01-2012 21:27 »

it might not make him a genuis artist, but there are other kinds of genius. Can you make $22 billion making movies? It's harder than it looks!
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« Reply #570 on: 03-01-2012 21:30 »

it might not make him a genuis artist, but there are other kinds of genius. Can you make $22 billion making movies? It's harder than it looks!

It helps when you have plenty of other people to help make your original trilogy be great.  You know as films, rather than just 'that idea sounds cool' which was the original script.

Although, the original script for Star Wars wasn't exactly 'a great idea', it took 6 re-writes before it was good.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #571 on: 03-01-2012 21:30 »


I agree with svip here, the fact that the Star Wars franchise has earned $22bn doesn't make Lucas a genius, it makes him exactly like every other person out there who had a good idea for something. Difference is, he got lucky.


In my experience there is no such thing as luck.
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« Reply #572 on: 03-01-2012 21:31 »

In my experience, there is always luck involved.
Gopher

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« Reply #573 on: 03-01-2012 21:33 »

svip: So, you're saying there was a group of genuises behind the scenes who deserve all the credit, but they all conspired to give lucas the credit?
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« Reply #574 on: 03-01-2012 21:35 »

svip: So, you're saying there was a group of genuises behind the scenes who deserve all the credit, but they all conspired to give lucas the credit?

Hell, I don't believe that they were contributed to making it work so well.  Film back then was seen as a collaborative project.  And besides, they all took plenty of credit, it was just drowned out by George Lucas.
Gopher

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« Reply #575 on: 03-01-2012 21:38 »

so, lucas didn't deserve credit, but he's been given it anyway for 30 years. Sounds like genius to me.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #576 on: 03-01-2012 21:39 »

In my experience, there is always luck involved.

well that one flew right over your head...
Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #577 on: 03-01-2012 21:40 »


I agree with svip here, the fact that the Star Wars franchise has earned $22bn doesn't make Lucas a genius, it makes him exactly like every other person out there who had a good idea for something. Difference is, he got lucky.


In my experience there is no such thing as luck.

He was lucky that someone took on his ideas, and lucky that he had a team of people willing to work it up to something that could be a good movie.

He's even luckier that he has a large collection of mindless fans who will suck up any shit that he produces, e.g. The Prequels.

I went there. I did. I'm not going to defend my opinions because I don't have to. I think the prequels are shit and that's that.
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« Reply #578 on: 03-01-2012 21:41 »

In my experience, there is always luck involved.

well that one flew right over your head...

I know it is a Star Wars quote, but I don't feel like reacting to it being that, just to spite you.
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #579 on: 03-01-2012 21:47 »


I agree with svip here, the fact that the Star Wars franchise has earned $22bn doesn't make Lucas a genius, it makes him exactly like every other person out there who had a good idea for something. Difference is, he got lucky.


In my experience there is no such thing as luck.



ORLY?
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« Reply #580 on: 03-01-2012 21:48 »

Well, the Prequels is a showcase of how far you can get with A) being incredibly lucky and B) everyone around you being total idiots.  Unsurprisingly, it is quite far.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #581 on: 03-01-2012 22:06 »

SoS,
Yes, that's an excellent example. Thank You!

But do I really have to explain that quote?

All he's saying is that nothing just "happens" by chance or luck for no apparent reason.
Everything happens for a reason, because it was supposed to. Whether you make your own luck by working hard, or random crazy things occur just at the right time(what some might call a coincidence) they all occur because they were supposed to. Not luck. Because someone planned it that way, i.e. God, or fate, or in Star Wars, "The Will of The Force"
Everything is already planned out. Everyone's life is a perfectly orchestrated story.

ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #582 on: 03-01-2012 22:07 »

Or it was in the script.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #583 on: 03-01-2012 22:09 »

Or it was in the script.

Exactly.
Life is scripted.
Svip

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« Reply #584 on: 03-01-2012 22:09 »

Or it was in the script.

Exactly.
Life is scripted.

Are you calling God a terrible writer?
Gopher

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« Reply #585 on: 03-01-2012 22:10 »

no, just a bit avant-garde.
Svip

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« Reply #586 on: 03-01-2012 22:10 »

His style is so last century.
Gopher

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« Reply #587 on: 03-01-2012 22:11 »
« Last Edit on: 03-01-2012 22:13 »

could be worse, he could write like Tom Six.

:edit: sorry, I just find the idea that everyone's life is scripted to be just off the rails absurd. And I'll stop derailing the star wars thread with religion now.
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #588 on: 03-01-2012 22:14 »

Kudos, Svip and Goph.

I'm not sure if we're talking real life or SW now.
Bend-err

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« Reply #589 on: 03-01-2012 22:14 »

If life is a script why is everyone still ad-libbing, and badly so?
leiapadme77

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« Reply #590 on: 03-01-2012 22:14 »

Or it was in the script.

Exactly.
Life is scripted.

Are you calling God a terrible writer?

No, I think life is pretty well written. I may not agree with it sometimes, but that's life.
The same goes for the Star Wars story. At the end of Episode III one might conclude that Anakin is definitely not the chosen one. However, at the end of Episode VI, it's clear that he is. The story took a turn that no one expected, and it took a long time for him to bring balance to the force, but in the end, he did.
Svip

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« Reply #591 on: 03-01-2012 22:14 »

If life is a script why is everyone still ad-libbing, and badly so?

No improvising!

No, I think life is pretty well written. I may not agree with it sometimes, but that's life.
The same goes for the Star Wars story. At the end of Episode III one might conclude that Anakin is definitely not the chosen one. However, at the end of Episode VI, it's clear that he is. The story took a turn that no one expected, and it took a long time for him to bring balance to the force, but in the end, he did.

Your definition of no one seem to include a lot of people.
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #592 on: 03-01-2012 22:16 »

I will type this pointless inane comment.

It is my desssssssssssstinyyyyyyyyyyy.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #593 on: 03-01-2012 22:19 »

If life is a script why is everyone still ad-libbing, and badly so?

No improvising!

No, I think life is pretty well written. I may not agree with it sometimes, but that's life.
The same goes for the Star Wars story. At the end of Episode III one might conclude that Anakin is definitely not the chosen one. However, at the end of Episode VI, it's clear that he is. The story took a turn that no one expected, and it took a long time for him to bring balance to the force, but in the end, he did.

Your definition of no one seem to include a lot of people.

No one within the story, in their universe. Not the audience watching the film.
Sure, the council sensed some bad things in him, but no one knew he would destroy the Republic and kill all the Jedi and turn to the dark side. But, the force knew. That's the point. No such thing as luck. It was supposed to happen.
Svip

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« Reply #594 on: 03-01-2012 22:20 »

Yeah, I can write a story and make everyone stupid and not put two and two together.  That does not make me a good author.
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #595 on: 03-01-2012 22:23 »

The force shouldn't "know" anything. At least I think it shouldn't. We only started hearing crap like "the will of the Force" in Ep1. Or perhaps I am wrong. It's been a while since I watched the proper ones (or any of them for that matter).
Gopher

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« Reply #596 on: 03-01-2012 22:25 »

Nope, that stuff was there from the start.

Luke: "you mean it controls our actions?"
OB1: "Yes, but also obeys our commands."

Or something like that.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #597 on: 03-01-2012 22:28 »

The force shouldn't "know" anything. At least I think it shouldn't. We only started hearing crap like "the will of the Force" in Ep1. Or perhaps I am wrong. It's been a while since I watched the proper ones (or any of them for that matter).

Well the way I stated that makes it seem like the Force is person. That's not exactly what I meant. Although it can't "know" like a human being, it's still in control and has the ultimate outcome of every situation. Whether you call it fate, or God, or the Force it's all the same thing in the Star Wars universe.
"The will of the force" is something in every movie. Although the exact line is only mentioned a couple of times, it can be implied many times. And it's in all the books.
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #598 on: 03-01-2012 22:30 »
« Last Edit on: 03-01-2012 22:35 »

Right you are, Gopher. Except for "yes" should be "partially". It all comes flooding back when I get some stimulus.

Edit: Oh, 'our' should be 'your' (OB1's line) too.

LP: The implied nature of the fords was always more enjoyable for me. Maybe I'm just too old and stuck in my ways and just can't get past there being new SW movies. But I did honestly like TPM, still do in a way.

(Fords typo deliberately kept cause it made me smile).
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #599 on: 03-01-2012 22:55 »

Everyone's life is a perfectly orchestrated story.

Perhaps in a movie. Not in the real world.

Star Wars is rather obviously scripted (and rather ostentatiously obviously a prequel) in the prequels. It's a little bit of a stretch to ask us to believe in the random co-incidence pileups at times.
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