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Spocks Brain

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« Reply #520 on: 07-02-2010 12:17 »

Leela's the on who told Fry to fight Bender on Bender's terms and quit being a nice guy.  She may not have given him permission to embarrass her but she did tell him to start being a cad.
Jezzem

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« Reply #521 on: 07-02-2010 13:38 »

I think the fact that Fry felt so bad about what he did that he ended up doing what he was avoiding by uploading the video of Leela in the first place (ie jump into the goat excrement) is what made it forgivable. For me, at least...

Did anyone understand that? Ah well...
Gorky

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« Reply #522 on: 07-02-2010 15:49 »
« Last Edit on: 07-02-2010 15:50 »

I'm with ya, Jezz. Fry redeems himself--and, like Leela says, they'll both be forgotten in a day. Also, the thing Spocks Brain said: Leela herself told Fry that he'd have to up his game with a video that was one-million-follower good.

Also: Does anyone else, even though they were pleased with this episode, feel like making it so much about Fry and Leela wasn't necessary? I liked it, because it wasn't like a lover's quarrel sort of thing (if anything, I think it showed character growth on Leela's part, because she's obviously more accepting of Fry's trademark idioticness), but  it did have a strong focus on their friendship/quasi-romance or whatever. I feel like it's episodes like these that non-shippers find annoying, where Fry and Leela's relationship plays a fairly big part (and ends the episode). It's a bit like how Homer and Marge's marriage dominates a lot of stories on The Simpsons--even ones that aren't explicitly about their relationship, but are based in more kooky things.

That is not an indictment of The Simpsons or Futurama; like I said in the review thread, the transition from cuh-razy iPhone and Twitter gags to something a bit more emotional (but still really funny) was seamless. I just wonder if it was even necessary to ground this story with Fry and Leela, because it worked so well as just a gag-driven piece. I dunno, maybe I'm just griping; maybe I should be happy that the writers decided to give this story a bit of resonance. Maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate for no raisin.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #523 on: 07-02-2010 17:39 »

I think the fact that Fry felt so bad about what he did that he ended up doing what he was avoiding by uploading the video of Leela in the first place (ie jump into the goat excrement) is what made it forgivable. For me, at least...

Did anyone understand that? Ah well...

I do, for what it's worth. Fry felt bad about what he did almost immediately, and then went to great lengths to pay a karmic price for it. I kind of think, though, that Leela let him off a bit too easily at first. I'd have made the sucker suffer a little more. But at the same time, she was really very sweet about it, and that made me like her even more. If that makes sense...

And Gorky, I kind of see what you mean, but the thing is...to me, one of Futurama's few flaws was its lack of a central storyline. In its original incarnation, it just sort of drifted from situation to situation, with characters making comments on various bits of goofiness, and frankly, I had a heck of a time really enjoying the show at times. The characters seemed very one-note, and Fry was the worst example of that. He was a....slacker, and not very bright. And that's it. When he started obsessing over Leela, FINALLY he had something like a personality. It was a good thing.

However, I agree that it would be bad to overdo it. But I think the writers know that. Basically, "Killer App" was about iPhones and Twitter, and the Fry/Leela plot was a way to show the pitfalls of those devices in a funny way. IMHO.
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #524 on: 07-03-2010 01:02 »
« Last Edit on: 07-03-2010 01:45 »

Is anyone else a little confused about where Fry and Leela stand after this episode?...Leela tells Fry he's a good friend. Which is...okay. I don't expect her to say "boyfriend" or "lover" or "other" or anything like that--but "friend" seems non-committal...

Then the ending: there's the hug and the cuteness, and Leela's contented look over Fry's shoulder. So, uh, they're friends who love each other and occasionally have moments? But that's not the same as dating? Because I'm all for that--it's not distracting and it's not overpowering--but I wish there was a word for the relationship stage that Fry and Leela are currently in.

I think your call of "quasi-romance" is as close as we're going to get to accurately describing this state of the relationship, because we're trying to describe something that just doesn't exist.  I agree that it should not dominate the series and in a logical sense I can see where freezing them somewhere between friendship and in-love could keep us interested and not ruin the dynamic that worked for them before (albeit for too long).  However, it is just not natural.  Maybe that's why we don't have a word for it.

Has anyone seen two long-time friends publicly confess their love to each other in a non-drunken state (such as with a bout of tonguesmanship) only to see them shortly thereafter act in such as way that you're confused as to the nature of their relationship?  Once a couple crosses that threshold and given that Fry and Leela are both sexually experienced, nine times out of ten it is either full-on romance or a quick trip to an unpleasant break-up.  There would be a brief burst of torrid physicality involved and from there you either go to being "just friends" who tolerate each other to keep the atmosphere civil or bitter enemies or deeply committed lovers (for a while anyway).  My expectation was that they would willingly fall into that third category and the way their 'ship would be kept from crashing the party of every episode was that it would play out in the background with them sneaking off at first (and not fooling anyone), but I appear to have mis-judged this storyline again (imagine that)...

It is going to be tough to keep them balanced on a razor blade which is where they seem to be now.
speedracer
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« Reply #525 on: 07-03-2010 01:23 »
« Last Edit on: 07-03-2010 01:29 »

Is anyone else a little confused about where Fry and Leela stand after this episode?

Three episodes' worth of data indicates that their level of intimacy is up to the week's writer.  The only constant seems to be that there's a sense of parity, i.e. Fry's not going to constantly pine over his unrequited love, and Leela's not going to act as if she's too good for him.
Spocks Brain

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« Reply #526 on: 07-03-2010 19:05 »

I think the fact that Fry felt so bad about what he did that he ended up doing what he was avoiding by uploading the video of Leela in the first place (ie jump into the goat excrement) is what made it forgivable. For me, at least...

Did anyone understand that? Ah well...

I do, for what it's worth. Fry felt bad about what he did almost immediately, and then went to great lengths to pay a karmic price for it. I kind of think, though, that Leela let him off a bit too easily at first. I'd have made the sucker suffer a little more. But at the same time, she was really very sweet about it, and that made me like her even more. If that makes sense...

Leela's acceptance of Fry's attempt to redeem himself by subjecting himself to humilation shows groth on her part to accepting him and makes her more sympathic.

Moments like those are what makes their relationship special - it doesn't have to be the two of them holding hands and saying "I love you," every 5 minutes.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #527 on: 07-03-2010 22:34 »

After seeing AOTKA, I almost feel like the writers didn't reset the relationship between F/L, so much as they are retrying it. During the original run, it was sweet and added more depth to the characters, but it was also usually handled a bit too extremely. There was too much melodrama and not enough day-to-day stuff. There wasn't enough to make me truly believe the characters cared about each other under normal circumstances. Instead, it made it seem like they could only care for each other when something extraordinary happened to them.

That's why I like how they've handled F/L so far in S6. The writers are trying to make us believe Fry and Leela's friendship, making us believe how close they are to each other, then maybe lead into something more advanced. Some of the earlier episodes did this well (A Flight to Remember, Xmas Story) and ITWGY managed to call back to that subtle handling the writers had early on. It's a decision I definitely support.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #528 on: 07-06-2010 08:13 »

I think the fact that Fry felt so bad about what he did that he ended up doing what he was avoiding by uploading the video of Leela in the first place (ie jump into the goat excrement) is what made it forgivable. For me, at least...

Did anyone understand that? Ah well...

I do, for what it's worth. Fry felt bad about what he did almost immediately, and then went to great lengths to pay a karmic price for it. I kind of think, though, that Leela let him off a bit too easily at first. I'd have made the sucker suffer a little more. But at the same time, she was really very sweet about it, and that made me like her even more. If that makes sense...

Leela's acceptance of Fry's attempt to redeem himself by subjecting himself to humilation shows groth on her part to accepting him and makes her more sympathic.

Moments like those are what makes their relationship special - it doesn't have to be the two of them holding hands and saying "I love you," every 5 minutes.

YES! Well put! I agree.
Gorky

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« Reply #529 on: 07-09-2010 05:58 »

So...Kif and Amy broke up in tonight's episode, then got back together at the end. Anyone have any particular feelings about that?

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Didn't think so. But for my part, I'll say I thought Kif was being a little unreasonable in saying that Amy flirts with everything that moves; she was always committed to Kif, and monogamy clearly isn't an issue with her, because her desire for it is what drives Bender away at the end of the episode anyway.
Tedward

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« Reply #530 on: 07-09-2010 18:36 »

So...Kif and Amy broke up in tonight's episode, then got back together at the end. Anyone have any particular feelings about that?

Yes, dammit! It makes me feel angry!

Well, not as angry as I would be if they didn't get back together, but still angry that the episode had them break up and so jarringly at that in the first place...and yes, while Amy was clearly committed to Kif before, she was not flirting with everyone like she was at the start of "Proposition Infinity." There does at least seem to be the consistency that Amy is promiscuous when single but pretty committed when in a relationship (she seemed happy to be with Fry, for example, and only after he broke up with her did she resume her “expected” behavior in “Put Your Head on My Shoulders”), but that’s part of what seemed wrong with what was happening at the start of “Proposition Infinity.” It’s natural that they were arguing about something, and as was suggested elsewhere I suppose it’s believable that Kif’s softness might become tiring to Amy after once being cute, but it doesn’t seem right that she would either tire of him so suddenly (as far as we can see) and therefore flirt as an attempted escape from him or something, or that her behavior was just her normal, excessively flirty self shining through the pretense of a relationship (since she usually does seem so committed to Kif).

I can’t say it’s that surprising how quickly Amy hooked up with Bender since it’s obvious that she doesn’t ever seem to let herself stay single for long, but it was still shocking and frustrating to see the cut to Amy and Bender in bed. I’m not entirely sure why they’re in their relationship anyway beyond the physical aspect; I suppose it was made clear enough that Amy likes the bad boy type, but what does Bender see in her (besides money and such)? They found each other attractive in “Anthology of Interest II” but only after Bender became human…maybe it doesn’t even matter since Bender doesn’t exactly have a good track record of particularly meaningful relationships anyway.

I can sympathize with Kif getting so bothered by Amy’s actions, but I’m surprised that he would break up with her right then and there, considering his own usual timidity and appreciation for having a relationship with her in the first place. I also don’t find it too hard to believe that he’d put on the little bad boy show for her at the end of the episode (he seemed like he had fun trying to be the big tough man in “Where the Buggalo Roam”), but I doub’t he’d keep that up for long; it’s just not him. But was that all that was needed for them to get back together?  Is everything forgiven, or was this just another case of Amy refusing to be single for long? Did either of them learn anything from this experience?
 
Again, I’m satisfied that they’re presumably back together, but the whole ordeal doesn’t seem right to me. To me, the Kif-Amy relationship was one of the best examples of series-spanning character development the series had to offer; they spent two seasons performing their original roles well, and then were able to shift in a new and still entertaining direction starting with “Amazon Women in the Mood,” and even do so by referencing and building upon already something already started in “A Flight to Remember,” thus turning a joke into continuity-respecting story advancement! Kif maintained his long-suffering number-two position to Zapp and gained further characterization as endearingly soft (in numerous ways), and while Amy lost a lot of her promiscuity she remained hilarious and still kept the rest of her clumsy valley girl from Mars characteristics (and while I’m not necessarily saying change in these characters is good for its own sake, I like that her character did shift this way thanks to her relationship with Kif; it was good for her, I think). “Where the Buggalo Roam” strengthened their bond and “Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch” gave them some drama and took them in a bizarre but ultimately satisfying direction. BwaBB messed some things up (and not just for them) and I can’t entirely forgive that, but at least ItWGY effectively ignored that trouble (of course, advocating mere ignoring of things we don’t like isn’t quite the ideal either)…but now this, just for the sake of a plot about robosexuality? I figured that they’d be back together at the end, but I can’t say I was entirely sure; if the show was able to change and create this relationship (in addition to doing all sorts of  confounding things with another, much larger, very THE-worthy relationship too), who’s to say the show’s return wouldn’t have been an opportunity to end the relationship for the sake of new stories either?
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #531 on: 07-17-2010 06:56 »

The whole reason Kif and Amy broke up was so the Futurama writers could make a heavy-handed preachy comment on a current issue. In my opinion. Same reason why they had Amy hook up with Bender - an unlikely, unappealing and unbelievable couple if there ever was one. The characters were used as props - or should I say, propaganda? - in order to make a statement. Or to make the show seem relevant, or some other wrong-headed notion.

And that's what disappointed me about Prop Infinity: The characters were misused in order to push a particular point of view. It really bums me out that the writers stooped to that. It reminds me of this comic book named Savage Dragon; its creator actually had his character, Savage Dragon, endorse Obama for president. Rght on the cover of the comic. The creator was completely serious. Now really. I ask you. How idiotic is that? And I don't want to see Futurama used as a platform for an agenda of ANY sort. So I hope Prop Infinity will be the last we see of that sort of thing. Savage Dragon is a crappy comic book. Futurama is better than that.
FemJesse

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« Reply #532 on: 07-17-2010 08:05 »

Futurama has been notoriously anti-conservative the whole time... Mainly because Al Gore's daughter was a writer on the show... but its still funny and I enjoy it even though I disagree with pretty much every political ideal they espouse.
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #533 on: 07-24-2010 02:16 »

Not much grist for the ship-mill in these last two (Duh-Vinci and this last one about Bender's mortality).  I'm struggling to divine the nature of Fry and Leela's relationship based on what I'm seeing or not seeing.  I'm not sure if the intention is to indicate that they are in a super casual semi-relationship or what. 

Between these two episodes, the only clues that I see are in the former ep. when Leela defends Fry's intelligence as being "differenty" instead of non-existent and when she says something like "sure, why not?" when Fry asks her if she want to join the "mile deep club." 

It makes it seem like Leela is acting more like a "friend with benefits" than a partner in romance and that doesn't seem right.  I suppose another interpretation is that they do have a deeper relationship than what is currently being revealed.  Or...I hate to think it, but maybe they've taken a half-step backwards from the end of ITWGY and Leela has merely decided not to reject Fry but has not decided to embrace him either.

What do you think?  Is it even worth thinking about at this point in the season?  Haven't I read that this 'ship will be featured in an upcoming episode, maybe in "The Late Philip J. Fry?"  Here's hoping.
Gorky

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« Reply #534 on: 07-24-2010 16:07 »

The thing that was weird about that whole Mile-Deep Club thing in "The Duh-Vinci Code" was Leela's cavalier attitude. It wasn't a semi-seductive thing; it was an offhanded, there's-nothing-better-to-do-in-this-dank-cave thing that seemed out of character for the old Leela (the one who was more or less indifferent to Fry's advances) and the new one (the one who admitted in "Rebirth" that she loves Fry). The joke was funny, sure, and I think it was meant to throw the shippers some kind of bone, but her reaction still doesn't seem quite right, no matter how you interpret Fry and Leela's current relationship.

I definitely think there are going to be some major shippy elements in "The Late Philip J. Fry." I mean, it's been called the "Emmy-shot", which conjures a certain "Jurassic Bark"/"The Sting" vibe when you combine it with what we know of the episode so far. And we haven't had an overtly shippy episode since "Rebirth"; by season four standards (where shippy episodes seemed to come closer and closer together), I'd say we're long overdue for an episode about Fry and Leela.
FemJesse

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« Reply #535 on: 07-24-2010 17:49 »

I thought it was a cute sentiment that she threw him a bone.

It makes it seem like Leela is acting more like a "friend with benefits" than a partner in romance and that doesn't seem right. 

Good. I'd hate it if they got too much Romance in my Futurama puke

Plus friends with benefits is the best kind of friend and whats more romantic than that?
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« Reply #536 on: 07-24-2010 19:46 »

I thought it was a cute sentiment that she threw him a bone.

It makes it seem like Leela is acting more like a "friend with benefits" than a partner in romance and that doesn't seem right. 

Good. I'd hate it if they got too much Romance in my Futurama puke

You're saying this?  You're second only to Venus as the shippiest of the old guard.

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Plus friends with benefits is the best kind of friend and whats more romantic than that?

When you get to be my age, you have friends who get benefits.
Chug a Bug

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« Reply #537 on: 07-25-2010 01:47 »
« Last Edit on: 07-25-2010 01:48 »

I definitely think there are going to be some major shippy elements in "The Late Philip J. Fry." I mean, it's been called the "Emmy-shot", which conjures a certain "Jurassic Bark"/"The Sting" vibe when you combine it with what we know of the episode so far. And we haven't had an overtly shippy episode since "Rebirth"; by season four standards (where shippy episodes seemed to come closer and closer together), I'd say we're long overdue for an episode about Fry and Leela.

You're not wrong there, according to the recent CC press conferance:

"They stressed that next week's episode, "The Late Philip J. Fry", is one of their favorite episodes ever, and an idea - the Professor and Fry travel into the far future on a forward-only time machine - that Matt Groening has wanted to do for a long time. This episode will also return to the Fry and Leela relationship.. although the show is really going to deal with Fry and Leela in the second-to-last episode, which is the de facto series finale."

http://io9.com/5595528/between-the-comic+con-news-and-last-weeks-episode-the-future-of-futurama-is-looking-good

Finally!
lilkitten29

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« Reply #538 on: 07-25-2010 02:37 »

I cannot wait!!
Future Shock

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« Reply #539 on: 07-25-2010 02:43 »

The future never looked so awesome.
FemJesse

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« Reply #540 on: 07-25-2010 09:55 »

Yea Ralph I think their relationship is cute but not every episode needs to revolve around it or even mention it.

If you tell a kid he can't eat broccoli isn't he going to want to eat it...
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #541 on: 07-27-2010 06:26 »

If you tell a kid he can't eat broccoli isn't he going to want to eat it...

Hunh? I am not grasping your analogy...

But yeah, I agree. One episode a season focusing on them is all I need. And it would be very... unoriginal if the writers were to keep bringing up their relationship even once per episode. Not even "The Simpsons" does that, with both Seymour and Edna and Homer and Marge (and they're in just about every episode, and they're married!).

I'm getting too excited for "The Late Philip J. Fry". I almost think that there's going to be a twist in that episode. The initial impression that I'm getting is that the audience is to believe that Fry, the Professor, and Bender were all "killed" in time when they began to time travel, but the title of the episode just seems to be riveting with shockers. I'm getting the feeling that the future featured in "The Late Philip J. Fry" actually somehow still included Fry, but Fry f*cked up somewhere with his relationship/life, thus when Leela refers to the good old days with Fry, she's referring to Fry before his flub-up.
Applepie

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« Reply #542 on: 07-27-2010 22:55 »

I'm excited too to see The Late Philip J. Fry. I find it kind of cute that Fry's pretty dumb, but when it gets to Leela he says the most beautiful things. Like:
"The moon was like this awesome, romantic, mysterious thing, hanging up there in the sky where you could never reach it, no matter how much you wanted to. But you're right. Once you're actually here it's just a big dull rock. I guess I just wanted you to see it through my eyes, the way I used to. "
FemJesse

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« Reply #543 on: 07-28-2010 22:22 »

I think if that episode would have been written today, that Frythought would have been far less articulate. Even though the writers have been building their friendship/relationship since Space Pilot, the whole reason Fry never "loved" Leela before Parasites Lost was that he was too dumb to properly express it. Now that its out he can't stop saying it...

The first time it feels serious and heart wrenching is in Time Keep's on Slippin'... that pained "Nooooo" scream at the end says so much. Way better than Vader's "Noooooo" =D

I don't think you can gauge or appreciate how much he loves her without hearing the pain it's causing him to be without her. So very Shakespearean.
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #544 on: 07-31-2010 04:49 »

The Late Phillip J. Fry
OK, this one eviscerated the love life of one Leela but cast a ray of hope into the lives of a later generation or her and our original Fry.  At first I found this to be depressing, but after sweeping one Leela under the rug (which I guess is what we're supposed to do) we are left with a slight step forward for the current versions of Fry and Leela.  She must be glad that he seems to have overcome a flaw and he (as always) will be happy just because she is glad.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #545 on: 07-31-2010 05:08 »

After watching "The Late Philip J. Fry", my emotions are more conflicted than they were before on "Bender's Big Score".

P.S.: FemJesse, did you watch the movies? I know you haven't been active in the community since it was canceled back in 2003.
FemJesse

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« Reply #546 on: 07-31-2010 10:25 »

Of course I own all the movies. I loved BBS, I thought it was the best one.

Also, I don't think Fry fully understands what happened with the original Leela and that he thinks things are back to normal, otherwise he would be a whole lot more upset.

PS. I posted all my new shippy fanart on the R rated forum.
Ralph Snart

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« Reply #547 on: 08-01-2010 00:02 »


PS. I posted all my new shippy fanart on the R rated forum.

Are you planning anything to go to the "X-rated Forum", or are you going to let Freako have that genre of Futurama art?
Freako

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« Reply #548 on: 08-01-2010 00:11 »

No one takes my place as the 34 king!
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« Reply #549 on: 08-01-2010 00:35 »

Hail to thee, Lord Pervington the Third!
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« Reply #550 on: 08-01-2010 00:36 »
« Last Edit on: 08-01-2010 04:10 »

I think back to what the robot Fry said in Rebirth: "I love Leela, any Leela." And Fry doesn't seem to give it a second thought; to him, this Leela is the Leela, and to this Leela, this Fry is the Fry. Forget all the metaphysical introspection in that other thread, this is our Fry's universe of residence now, he seems to regard it just as if it were his original universe, and he doesn't seem to have any qualms about it or its Leela.

I simply focus on the positive: Fry has learned something about himself, Leela, and their feelings for each other; he's taken another step on the road to maturity (at least until the next episode that requires him to hold the idiot ball); and perhaps most important of all, a non-robot/Farnsworth-Parabox-alternate-universe-equivalent Leela is finally reciprocating the love of a non-robot/AU/time paradox duplicate Fry! Everybody do the shippy dance! love
FemJesse

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« Reply #551 on: 08-01-2010 01:06 »

Ralph, I think 34 art in my style would just be kinda wrong... don't you? laff After all is said and done, I'm surprised so much of my stuff that isn't 34 (either doesn't show anything or is just plain shippy and not lude) wound up on TTP. I'm kind of proud of that actually. Some of the comments are like WTF YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING and there's lots of replies like "Shut up its good enjoy it."
Gorky

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« Reply #552 on: 08-01-2010 04:17 »

After watching "The Late Philip J. Fry", my emotions are more conflicted than they were before on "Bender's Big Score".

I don't particularly care which version of Fry ends up with which version of Leela, because I think the implication is that the characters would make the same decisions when faced with the same situations, regardless of which time line they are a part of (in other words: free will is a non-entity). The Fry that meets Leela for a date at the end of the episode is a Fry who is more mature (not in the Lars sense--in a more transcendental sense) and satisfied for knowing that the Leela he left behind valued their time together; the Leela at the end of the episode knows none of what may have happened, but still considers her time with Fry to be the best time of her life.

Here's something I posted in the review thread, because I suppose it speaks to my feelings about the ship in "The Late Philip J. Fry":

If you want to compare TLPJF with any episode of the original run (and I mentioned this in my brief CGEF review), I think it should be "The Sting." Neither episode is emotionally manipulative, in my opinion; they both explore that sense of loss (and maybe guilt) that comes from unfinished business, and at no point do we have Fry and Leela actively mourning one another while cheesy music plays in the background (I won't count those contemplative walks in TLPJF, because I didn't feel as if they were manipulative). And both episodes are a bit trippy and a visual marvel, but I suppose that's secondary to the theme and the similar emotional responses they evoke without much manipulation of the audience.

I actually thought TLPJF did an excellent job with the emotional stuff (I will grant that Leela's line about remembering their time together, though sweet and in-keeping with the theme of the episode, was a bit corny) because it was so understated. I loved the mirror dejected walks to the Cavern on the Green, and (like I mentioned before) Fry's satisfaction in knowing that Leela valued her time with him as much as he valued his time with her, and that final scene on the bridge (while Bender buries the evidence), which was sweet and beautifully-scored. There were no grandiose displays of romance, no Fry bemoaning his fate (with the exception of things like "Leela is waiting for me", which kind of kept the emotional core of the episode alive without seeming too whiny or soap opera-y); the writers took the inherent tragedy that comes from two people being separated and allowed it to play out naturally. In that sense, it's one of the more mature shippy/emotional episodes of the series (at the very least, the flashbacks to Leela's life without Fry are nowhere near as cloying as the flashbacks to Fry's life without Leela in "Bender's Big Score", and I actually could have done with one or two more of them).

One last thing: this whole episode reminds me, faintly, of The Time Traveler's Wife (the book, not the sucky movie adaptation), what with all the waiting-for-one's-lost-love thing. Just sayin'.
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« Reply #553 on: 08-01-2010 19:26 »

Ralph, I think 34 art in my style would just be kinda wrong... don't you? laff After all is said and done, I'm surprised so much of my stuff that isn't 34 (either doesn't show anything or is just plain shippy and not lude) wound up on TTP. I'm kind of proud of that actually. Some of the comments are like WTF YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING and there's lots of replies like "Shut up its good enjoy it."

I was just giving you grief, that's all.  Your style is much "classier" than straight-out porn, and then it has been proven that at times less skin is more provocative.  Otherwise the lingere sector would go out of business.

Just so that our "Rule 34 King" doesn't get upset at me, yes, straight out erotica is fine at times, but FJ's style is much different than Freako's style.  I would be shocked to see a FJ 'erotic-style' piece of art after seeing a decade's worth of FJ's stuff, even the intimate stuff.

Freako definitely goes for the "shock value" of his art.  Freako takes pride in living up to the "Rule 34" credo.

Also, last thing:  You (FJ) are now a professional artist - a few artists may be able to get away with a few erotic style pieces of art, but they generally have to be in good taste and not "over the top".  Anything else could easily kill that person's professional life.  The one vibe that I pick up from FJ is that she is dedicated to being an artist and wants to be very successful, professionally and financially.

Freako, however, is proud to churn out explicit art that includes at least one member of PEEL drawn in Groening-style.   I want to thank both the artist and the model for the picture.  It certainly isn't anything one would find in a Barnes and Nobel bookstore but thank God we have the internet for those things not easily found or purchased.

God bless both of you for sharing your talents because I have a place in my heart for both your styles.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #554 on: 08-01-2010 20:07 »
« Last Edit on: 08-01-2010 20:09 »

If you tell a kid he can't eat broccoli isn't he going to want to eat it...

Um...no? Not at all? I've never seen a kid have that mentality before, ever. If a kid doesn't like something, he doesn't like something. Reverse psychology isn't going to do the trick. I hated brussel sprouts as a small kid (still do) and if my parents ever told me "You can't have brussel sprouts!" I would be like "okay...sweet".
Sorry, I know this is totally irrelevant and you were only using it as a metaphor...but it made no sense. tongue
FemJesse

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« Reply #555 on: 08-02-2010 01:20 »
« Last Edit on: 08-02-2010 01:21 »

If brocolli were forbidden instead of candy I bet you'd see a lot more kids eating brocolli.

Aw thanks for the sweet sentiment too Ralph.
Frisco17

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« Reply #556 on: 08-02-2010 01:24 »

I have to agree with Josh on this one. Why is candy forbidden in the first place? Because kids love it and end up eating too much of it. Ever heard of a kid doing that with broccoli?
TServo2049
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« Reply #557 on: 08-02-2010 02:01 »
« Last Edit on: 08-02-2010 02:27 »

I think FemJesse's point was that holding back Fry/Leela shippy stuff and not showing the ship in every episode increases our interest in the ship, or something like that...

I admit I was really getting anxious between Rebirth and The Late Philip J. Fry, because I wasn't sure what the heck they were going to do with the ship. TLPJF really eased my worries, and shows that Groening, DXC and co. are moving the ship forward and not backpedaling from the end of ITWGY.

But we don't need to see the ship in every episode. It's better to have occasional episodes like TLPJF that develop the Fry/Leela romance (yes, I believe we can safely call it that now) without degenerating into soppy, melodramatic (dare I say fanfic-grade?) mush.

Now that I know that Leela is returning Fry's love, my anxiety level between now and the next shippy episode will be much lower than it was after IAGDL and AOTKA.
lilkitten29

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« Reply #558 on: 08-02-2010 03:44 »

Ya, i'm pretty satisfied on how the Fry/Leela relationship is going right now.
Anyways, I kind of wanted them to kiss at the end of TLFJF, lol.
TServo2049
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« Reply #559 on: 08-02-2010 03:51 »

Yeah, me too. But I wasn't upset that they didn't...
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