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aknightofni

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« Reply #720 on: 12-14-2008 16:54 »

I've come to the realization that the writers/directors/producers are writing the DVDs for themselves and nobody else.  DXC can make all the comments about writers and staff not being allowed to read fan fics, I'm sure some have lurked and gotten an idea what the fanbase likes and wants to see.

All it would take is DXC to come out after ITWGY is released, apologize for the movies and explain that if they wanted to return they had to produce what would score money, not what would constitute good Futurama. If the show returned, with the episodes back on par with the show we love... then I have no problem forgiving the movies.

Hell the first episode back could start with Fry / Leela back from their first date after "Devils Hands", sitting in front of the "what if" machine: "So thats what would happen if we were canceled by the box network!" I wouldn't even be mad at that... I know reset buttons are terrible terrible inventions, especially when time travel gets involved, but I'm actually ok with the show forgetting movies 1-4 ever happened.
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« Reply #721 on: 12-17-2008 20:11 »

This is as good a place as any to place this:

EW rates Futurama as #21 of the best 25 sci-fi shows made since 1982.

Considering the competition - Terminator, Firefly, ST: TNG and STII: TWOK just to name a few, that's pretty damned good.

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20037541_4,00.html

Okay you cunts, let's see what you can do now.
Officer 1BDI

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« Reply #722 on: 12-17-2008 20:43 »
« Last Edit on: 12-17-2008 22:06 »

Back to the Future should be higher on that list.  Just saying. tongue

I'm glad Futurama was acknowledged, because I do think it's more culturally significant than a lot of people give it credit for.  For instance, I can't think of any forum that I go to, television-related or not, that doesn't know the significance of this scene.

ETA: Oh jeeze, sorry for that.  no no  Link removed.
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« Reply #723 on: 12-17-2008 21:39 »
« Last Edit on: 12-17-2008 21:40 »

Uh, 1BDI, the site hates hotlinking.

So, here's the heart-breaking scene.



And I think that Star Wreck VI: In The Pirkinning should have been on that list.
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« Reply #724 on: 12-19-2008 00:25 »

Aww.  Seymour.  :'(
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #725 on: 12-21-2008 04:32 »

Maybe it's shippers' disease, but I really enjoyed our new family tradition this year of watching "Xmas Story" at Christmas time.  It was nice to remember a simpler time when the idea of Fry and Leela getting together seemed so plausible, even inevitable.  For a few moments I forgot about the many resets ever since and I really enjoyed their imminent kiss with the TOW missle bearing down on them.  Ah, they don't make Xmas specials like that anymore.

Merry freakin' Xmas everyone!
km73

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« Reply #726 on: 12-21-2008 05:38 »

Yeah, both Xmas episodes are pretty damn awesome.
"I am gonna get you so many lizards."
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« Reply #727 on: 12-21-2008 18:11 »

Uh, 1BDI, the site hates hotlinking.

So, here's the heart-breaking scene.



And I think that Star Wreck VI: In The Pirkinning should have been on that list.


i was listening to white flag by dido on by ipod when i saw that and it fit together  (i was listening to the last part in the song)   just thought that was cool
aknightofni

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« Reply #728 on: 12-21-2008 18:15 »

Aww.  Seymour.  :'(

Saddest moment in television history.

Anyone know where avatar pic came from? Who drew it? Pretty amazing Amy pic...
Curious Gorge

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« Reply #729 on: 12-21-2008 18:19 »

Anyone know where avatar pic came from? Who drew it? Pretty amazing Amy pic...

I too have always wondered about this. Don't think it's from an episode but I could be wrong.
KoolMoeDee

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« Reply #730 on: 12-21-2008 19:15 »

It was from the June image from the 2002 Futurama Calendar.
aknightofni

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« Reply #731 on: 12-21-2008 19:33 »

bad ass tank Amy! Thanks.
Frisco17

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« Reply #732 on: 12-22-2008 02:58 »

I always wondered where that was from too. Nice find. I could see Leela owning a tank more than Amy. Amy could probably afford one more easily though.
KoolMoeDee

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« Reply #733 on: 12-22-2008 03:52 »

Well of course Leela could own with a tank better. That's why Amy got pulled over.
Frisco17

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« Reply #734 on: 12-22-2008 04:38 »

Well of course Leela could own with a tank better. That's why Amy got pulled over.

Touché
aknightofni

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« Reply #735 on: 12-22-2008 05:02 »

Leela could probably drive it better, but you know Amy would keep it running. Show needs more bad ass Amy IMO...

My family had not seen Benders Game, so I brought it home with me and showed it to them today. They enjoyed it, but watching it again there were some things that irritated me a lot more than before. Probably because of the 75 day countdown again.

Fry went from being an idiot, to an idiot with heart, to trying to not be such an idiot. I actually can fit BS and BWABB into that progression (shakily) as Fry generally improving. But BG brought him down a few pegs below where he started on the idiot scale. He was just full on stupid, and nothing else...

I liked the Leela anger arc, but unless there is some major result in ITWGY they more or less killed who she was in the show. Sure she was angry before, but it was good when that anger was mixed in with her personality, not the only part of it.

I know it is because watching the earlier shows I have a solid comparison now... and yeah all the problems REALLY stand out. With any luck they will snap everyone back to their "Devils Hands" selves for ITWGY. I want to know who these impostors are, and what they've done with the real characters!
Archonix

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« Reply #736 on: 12-22-2008 13:26 »

The real characters seem to be hanging out in soylent orange's fanfics right now... big grin
km73

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« Reply #737 on: 12-22-2008 20:37 »
« Last Edit on: 12-23-2008 18:27 »

...nevermind!

Sure she was angry before, but it was good when that anger was mixed in with her personality, not the only part of it.

A couple of us have been saying that all along.  She was usually more exasperated than angry in the series really, anyway.
And not so much defined by her anger.

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I know it is because watching the earlier shows I have a solid comparison now... and yeah all the problems REALLY stand out. With any luck they will snap everyone back to their "Devils Hands" selves for ITWGY. I want to know who these impostors are, and what they've done with the real characters!

Well, well, there you go. So it took watching the first season again to really bring it home, huh? And you were such a cheerleader for the movies, for the most part.   Well, anyway, I would have to say that Fry wasn't any more stupid than he was in A Fishful of Dollars, say; or when he repeated those lines like a parrot in whatever episode that was; but I still think he was too mopey in BBS and more out of character in BWABB.  Remains to be seen who/what they'll butcher/trample on in ITWGY.
Archonix

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« Reply #738 on: 12-22-2008 21:06 »
« Last Edit on: 12-22-2008 22:10 »

When the heir of all the ages "has the honour to remain,"
When he will not hear an insult, though men make it ne'er so plain,
When his lips are schooled to meekness, when his back is bowed to blows —
Well the keen aas-vogels know it—well the waiting jackal knows.

Build on the flanks of Etna where the sullen smoke-puffs float —
Or bathe in tropic waters where the lean fin dogs the boat —
Cock the gun that is not loaded, cook the frozen dynamite —
But oh, beware my Country, when my Country grows polite!


Edited at request.

Sorry for derailing the thread everyone.
km73

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« Reply #739 on: 12-22-2008 21:09 »
« Last Edit on: 12-23-2008 01:27 »

 |  Yes, it was Problem with Popplers.
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 V




I probably do need to watch the episodes again at some point.
I guess it really has been too long.
aknightofni

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« Reply #740 on: 12-22-2008 21:15 »

I still like the movies, and as an alternative to a proper continuation from devil's hands BBS did a pretty good job. BBS handled the characters reasonably well, and I liked how we saw a glimpse of how Fry could be, and some indication that he wanted to work for it. BWABB gave him some backbone (sort of) and did a decent job of showing how he felt. But BG didn't bother continuing... which is okay for being a stand alone adventure but felt out of place following the first two movies. As for raw humor, BG is still my favourite.

Eh guess it all comes down to ITWGY anyway, it will define my final judgment of the movies.
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« Reply #741 on: 12-22-2008 22:00 »

(...) or when he repeated those lines like a parrot in whatever episode that was.

[nerd] Kif Gets Knocked Up In A Notch. [/nerd]
Curious Gorge

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« Reply #742 on: 12-23-2008 01:18 »

(...) or when he repeated those lines like a parrot in whatever episode that was.

[nerd] Kif Gets Knocked Up In A Notch. [/nerd]

I thought it was the Problem with Popplers?
Frisco17

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« Reply #743 on: 12-23-2008 01:51 »

CG and km73 are right it was "Popplers".
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« Reply #744 on: 12-23-2008 03:26 »

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The real characters seem to be hanging out in soylent orange's fanfics right now... 
  Whoah.  Thanks for that.

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Well, well, there you go. So it took watching the first season again to really bring it home, huh? And you were such a cheerleader for the movies, for the most part.
  The same thing happened to me.  The movies seem pretty decent until you go back and watch the old episodes. Fry went from being a loser with his heart in the right place to just being a loser, Leela became a shallow, unfeeling bitch with anger issues, and Bender became all whiny.    I guess its just been so long since I saw the old episodes that I never noticed it.

Kim is right.  Leela was never truly angry at anyone during the series, except for during the few moments before she discovered the identities of her parents when it looked like she was going to kill them.  That's why she was a great character; she always managed to keep her head in tough situations, and always came through for her friends, no matter how frustrated she was at them.  That gave her some depth.  When they gave her 'anger issues' for a cheap laugh, they took all of that away.
km73

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« Reply #745 on: 12-23-2008 03:57 »

Yes! That's pretty much exactly it. Yay for more converts! big grin

Bender's characterization was much better in BG, but one of the main things about the movies besides the character depictions are just their - flatness.  Overall they (the films) just strike me as falling so flat, as opposed to the show.

But again, willing to suspend judgment for the last one until seeing it, and should be even more interesting to see how the show might pick up again if there's further episodes.
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« Reply #746 on: 12-23-2008 04:01 »

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Yay for more converts!
  Uhoh.  Did I just sell my soul to the Dark Side of the Ship, or something?
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« Reply #747 on: 12-23-2008 04:11 »

I don't really think that they just invented the whole Leela anger thing but they did exagerate it. There a lot of instances in the series where she gets angry and violent, usually involving Zapp. Add to that, beating up Smitty and URL for insulting her nose, wanting to be a witch so she could "...hurt people and not just dance around at the equinox" and her main reason for joining the New Justice Team was because she was "....looking for a way to help the community that incorporates my violence." Like I said it was always there to some extent just not the extent it was in BG. It was just exagerated for the joke factor.

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Yay for more converts!
  Uhoh.  Did I just sell my soul to the Dark Side of the Ship, or something?

Yes....yes you did.
km73

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« Reply #748 on: 12-23-2008 04:12 »
« Last Edit on: 12-23-2008 04:16 »

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Did I just sell my soul to the Dark Side of the Ship, or something?

Mm-hmm, you are now a minion..  *evil laugh*


..No, not really.
However, that should totally be the title of the next thread.
Frisco17

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« Reply #749 on: 12-23-2008 05:52 »

If we're on new thread titles then in honor of ITWGY I suggest "The Ship's About To Hit The Fan"
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« Reply #750 on: 12-23-2008 18:11 »

(...) or when he repeated those lines like a parrot in whatever episode that was.

[nerd] Kif Gets Knocked Up In A Notch. [/nerd]

I thought it was the Problem with Popplers?

*checks the two eps*
*facepalms*
*headdesks*

I absolutely need to rewatch those. And to shut the f@%k up, of course.
aknightofni

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« Reply #751 on: 12-26-2008 18:24 »

This was posted from the second review in the movie news thread:



If all this interesting season 5 mystery / conspiracy means anything... the show may very well be set for its return already. So perhaps this isn't the ships final trip to port, but a stop over for a refit and new supplies!
Archonix

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« Reply #752 on: 12-26-2008 18:36 »

Alternatively, they could have just blown it completely. I'm not holding out much hope now.
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« Reply #753 on: 12-26-2008 19:23 »

I'm trying to not to make any judgments until after I see it. I mean remember what happened before BBS came out?
aknightofni

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« Reply #754 on: 12-26-2008 19:47 »

I'm trying to not to make any judgments until after I see it. I mean remember what happened before BBS came out?

I don't. Can't tell if that's a blessing or a curse.

I can see how people who followed the show from the start, and waited so long to see it end with "Devils Hands", then waited longer to see it resurrected with BBS would be so flat out disappointed with the movies. Waiting that long to have another reset button pushed is like getting to an oasis in the desert, only you get a kick in the crotch instead of water.

Having watched every episode over the period of a few days, back to back non stop, with BBS right after... I never had the sense of waiting. Nor did I have the anxiety build of hearing snippits of news about the new movie either. So I literally went from watching Fry's final holophoner performance to "WTF BBQ WHOS LARS?" In the time it took me to click the next file... Actually I distinctly remember doing a huge mental gear shift from "So how are they doing together!" to "uhhhhhh...." as soon as the professor mentioned the two year gap, my brain saw what was coming and was trying to prep me for it I guess. But having just "met" the characters 3 days prior, I guess it wasn't as painful.

Still gotta hold out hope for the movie, but I'm looking forward to some investigative type work to see what the future holds for the show.

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« Reply #755 on: 12-26-2008 19:48 »

Alternatively, they could have just blown it completely. I'm not holding out much hope now.

Neither am I.  I've read elsewhere that DXC came pretty close to being lynched by some disgrutled fans at Comic Con this year.  The fans (I was not one of them, but I wish I was) told him, point blank, that the writing was horrible and the movies sucked.  Instead of even trying to give a token defense, he ran away from the disappointed fans.

The movies suck and he knows it.  The team had a golden chance to do something grand but instead relied on the same old jokes, relied on the"Fry the loser" and Leela the ice-queen", never thinking that the fans have matured, the characters should have also.

I placed a really poison-pen post on the One Left thread last week which is no longer there.  In it, I dared any production member who may be lurking to either place a post here on PEEL or send me an e-mail and explain how RDS, DXC and company could have ever thought that the lackluster movies were any sort of "Thanks" to the fans for being the ones who reserrected Futurama. 

As it is, even some of the most ardent fans no longer defend the movies and a lot have moved on.  Dragging out the Fry/Leela arc for so long, then using the RESET BUTTON every time the two got closer eventually killed the suspense of the angle.  Ignoring Devil's Hands, taking Fry and Leela relationship back to the middle of Season 3, then making the two seem like teenagers in high school rather than a pair of friends in their thirties who had spent 8 years working together was just a huge slap in the face of all the shippers.

And to end the damned thing with another"cliffhanger", hoping for more pressure on FOX to produce more of the same?

DXC and Groening owe the fans a huge appology.  They don't/won't see it that way, but without the ardent fans, they wouldn't have gotten every wealthy from the royalties of the DVDs and wouldn't had the chance to make more $$$ with the movies.

People talk about how The Simpsons has jumped the shark - newsflash, Futurama jumped the shark the moment BBS hit the store shelves.

Fry and Leela fans deserved better.  Futurama fans deserved better.

Ralph 'bitter and disappointed with the movies' Snart

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« Reply #756 on: 12-26-2008 23:25 »
« Last Edit on: 12-26-2008 23:27 »

i fell the same way ralph snart i really hope they end this movie with something real with fry and leela but deep down i know they won't frown

 i mean i can't hope they fix al the problems stated above with one movie
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« Reply #757 on: 12-27-2008 01:01 »

I think its pretty safe to say that all of the shippers will be disappointed with ITWGY.  Personally, I got sick of the Fry-Leela thing when the writers changed their personalities and then hit the reset button in BBS.  At this point, I think I'd be happier if they ignored the shippiness altogether.  Wya5 I really dont want- but what we're probably going to get- is an entire movie of Leela being angry at Fry, followed by a short 'sweet' scene where they kiss, but Leela never actually says she loves him.  That way there's room for another reset button if the show continues..
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« Reply #758 on: 12-27-2008 01:39 »

Futurama jumped the shark the moment BBS hit the store shelves.

Scratch that. The moment that unbaked re-premiere was thunk up was when Futurama jumped the shark.

I wish the reset button would be our saviour, and if Futurama does make a remarkable return to a series after "Into the Wild Green Yonder", I hope that the writers find a way to erase all the corruption they had created from these movies (maybe the What-if Machiene could come in play, or it could do a total "Dynasty").
aknightofni

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« Reply #759 on: 12-27-2008 01:47 »

I wish the reset button would be our saviour, and if Futurama does make a remarkable return to a series after "Into the Wild Green Yonder", I hope that the writers find a way to erase all the corruption they had created from these movies (maybe the What-if Machiene could come in play, or it could do a total "Dynasty").

I honestly hope they consider this. One last mega press of the button before unplug it, put it in a box, fill the box with concrete and dump it in the ocean.

That way there's room for another reset button if the show continues..

They could be married 20 years, with 3 children a house and their own company and they would still find a way to hit reset again. Jerks.
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