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Imy

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« Reply #160 on: 06-06-2012 06:15 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 06:23 »

Call me crazy, but I didn't enjoy that clip. I really dislike Amy, I have since the first episode she was in, but this infuriates me! mad She's such a skank, it's sickening! Kif is a pussy, also. They can both be shot into the sun for all I care.

Also, from what I gather something sexual happened between Fry and Amy - why Fry would do Amy now that he's in an open relationship with Leela, his "soulmate", I just don't understand. The joke isn't THAT funny to justify going against character's... uh... characteristics, writers! You have explaining to do!
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #161 on: 06-06-2012 06:25 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 07:08 »

Call me crazy, but I didn't enjoy that clip. I really dislike Amy, I have since the first episode she was in, but this infuriates me! mad She's such a skank, it's sickening! Kif is a pussy, also.


^This.
Earlier Kif was sarcastic and frustated by Zapp's incompetence, but now he is just a p*ssy.
Fry used to be naive and simple, now he is just a moron.
Amy used to be a nice girl who just wasn't too much into chastitiy, but now...etc, etc, etc...

The whole "Gender Reversal" they seem to be going in that episode just does not make any sense....(Not to say Futurama EVER managed some halfway fair gender representation, instead of going for a feminazi appeasing 100% pro female double standard)

In Simpson's "Strong Arms of the Ma", at least it was the weaker one given the sudden ability to dish out, and being unable to deal with the ability. It did not have the most intelligent humor,  but the whole situation was at least based (though not executed) on some kind of fair balance...

While in Futurama, in the two main couples, the women have always been as the stronger, smarter, more courageous, more determined, more sucessful, yaddayaddayadda  ones. Also, only they were allowed to dish out, which was considered an all right thing.

Now, the supposed "Gender reversal role" in the shown clip just gives them the abilitiy to dish out, emasculate and pussify their boyfriends even more than they already did before.

Bullies that were allowed to dish out are given the ability to dish out even more...
Just Fan
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« Reply #162 on: 06-06-2012 07:24 »

OMG, Inquisitor. I can remember that you recently requested a "Leela chases Fry for once"-esque scenario. Now we've got one. Yes, it's not brilliant. But I found that kiss-battle hilarious. Can we just enjoy the moment of Amy and Leela kiss-fighting over Fry? He deserved that affection after all. smile

I would be more worried about the Zapp/Leela thing in 7ACV05. It's far more disgusting than Leela/Fry/Amy triangle in my opinion.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #163 on: 06-06-2012 07:48 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 09:48 »

Can we just enjoy the moment of Amy and Leela kiss-fighting over Fry? He deserved that affection after all. smile


"We" cannot. "You" can enjoy the moment, which I do not mind.
I cannot enoy that moment, which YOU have no right to mind.

(As I already stated: I will say "This episode looks like it will suck big time", but NEVER add "..and anyone who might enjoy it will also suck". So, my opinion about the episode can never be the subject of your appreciation.)

Had it been considered acceptable should the gender's have been reversed, with two men fighting over a woman like that, with one's girlfriend having to watch like Kif on the sidelines?
I do not think so...it would have been unacceptable, as the women are usually portraied as the weaker ones, who may not be bullied/intimidated for that reaso...erm...now wait a second. About not being allowed to bully the weaker one...erm...*Looks at clip*..strange...

Double standards are one thing that quickly ruins episodes for me. Also, several Futurama episodes and settings have by far left the path of "comedy"", and took the road to ideology by idealizing "female superiority". Something DESPITE of which I did watch the show, as the great sci fi could compensate for it. But for me, Futurama has always been on the Razor's edge getting unbearable, and that episode was the last straw that broke the camels back.

Futurama is dead for me...
I also hope by now the show gets cancelled after Season 7. Which is also NOT based on the thought "As I will no longer watch it, no one else is allowed to enjoy it". But on the mere "When it's gone, there might be room for a new sitcom. I will no longer watch Futurama, but the new one bears at least a certain chance I might enjoy it. So, there is no way for the new show to do worse than  Futurama, but a chance it will do better"

PS: As you mentioned "Leela chasing after Fry":
I cannot see Leela trying to make up for something, having a bad conscience, trying to prove to Fry she is worthy of his affection She just takes Fry, consent is not required, which would be considered rape or at least sexual harassment should a male character act like that.
When a man has to make something up to a woman, it will not be before she agrees to give him her forgiveness (this time, consent is suddenly required, to gain it will usually require the man down on his knees for most of the episode pleading forgiveness....)
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #164 on: 06-06-2012 07:56 »

I remember thinking it would be interesting seeing an episode that looks at the Leela-Amy friendship, and I just realized this episode could possibly do just that.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to content related to "The Six Million Dollar Mon" since that's my most anticipated episode. smile
Jezzem

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« Reply #165 on: 06-06-2012 08:02 »

Fry used to be naive and simple, now he is just a moron.

I'm confused, wasn't Randi just complaining that Fry isn't as stupid anymore and thereofre not as innocent or something? confused

Can we just enjoy the moment of Amy and Leela kiss-fighting over Fry?

Not when there are females being shown to be stronger than males, dammit! mad

As for The Butterjunk Effect, I find myself not really having any sort of expectations for it which I guess means it'll either be kinda "meh" or I'll really enjoy it due to my lack of expectations.

Or something.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #166 on: 06-06-2012 08:19 »

Can we just enjoy the moment of Amy and Leela kiss-fighting over Fry?

Not when there are females being shown to be stronger than males, dammit! mad
who immediatelly use that strength to show that consentual sex/making out does in fact only require the women's consent, and otherwise serve the "it's okay when the women does it double standard"

Fixed it for you wink
Just Fan
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« Reply #167 on: 06-06-2012 08:25 »

Can we just enjoy the moment of Amy and Leela kiss-fighting over Fry?

Not when there are females being shown to be stronger than males, dammit! mad
Then you could blame Fry for not stopping Amy and Leela from fighting over him. As you can see he readily accepts his role of their "toy". And it's perfectly in his character.
Boxy Robot

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« Reply #168 on: 06-06-2012 08:36 »

Can we just enjoy the moment of Amy and Leela kiss-fighting over Fry? He deserved that affection after all. smile

"We" cannot. "You" can enjoy the moment, which I do not mind.
I cannot enoy that moment, which YOU have no right to mind.

(As I already stated: I will say "This episode looks like it will suck big time", but NEVER  add "..and anyone who might enjoy it will also suck". So, my opinion about the episode can never be the subject of your appreciation.)

Had it been considered acceptable should the gender's have been reversed, with two men fighting over a woman like that, with one's girlfriend having to watch like Kif on the sidelines?

I do not think so...it would have been unacceptable, as the women are usually portraied as the weaker ones, who may not be bulleid/intimidated for that reaso...erm...now wait a second. About not being allowed to bully the weaker one...erm...*Looks at clip*..strange...

Double standards are one thing that quickly ruin episodes for me. Also, several Futurama episodes and settings have by far left the path of "comedy"", and took the road to ideology by idealizing "female superiority". Something DESPITE of which I did watch the show, as the great sci fi could compensate for it. But for me, Futurama has always been on the Razor's edge getting unbearable, and that episode was the last straw that broke the camels back.

Futurama is dead for me...
I also hope by now the show gets cancelled after Season 7.
Which is also NOT based on the thought "As I will no longer watch it, no one else is allowed to enjoy it". But on the mere "When it's gone, there might be room for a new sitcom. I will no longer watch Futurama, but the new one bears at least a certain chance I might enjoy it. So, there is no way for the new show to do worse than  Futurama, but a chance it will do better"

PS: As you mentioned "Leela chasing after Fry":

I cannot see Leela trying to make up for something, having a bad conscience, trying to prove to Fry she is worthy of his affection She just takes Fry, consent is not required, which would be considered rape or at least sexual harassment should a male character act like that.

When a man has to make something up to a woman, it will not be before she agrees to give him her forgiveness (this time, consent is suddenly required, to gain it will usually require the man down on his knees for most of the episode pleading forgiveness....)

I do think it's wise to actually watch the episodes before judging them (and deciding to give up on the show) rather than stop watching the show because of a small clip from one episode...
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #169 on: 06-06-2012 08:36 »

I feel compelled to remind everyone that all things are not equal in the clips we have been shown.  Clearly Amy and Leela are not in their normal state of mind.
Just Fan
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« Reply #170 on: 06-06-2012 08:37 »

@Inquisitor Hein
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(As I already stated: I will say "This episode looks like it will suck big time", but NEVER add "..and anyone who might enjoy it will also suck". So, my opinion about the episode can never be the subject of your appreciation.)
Actually it perfectly can be "the subject of my appreciation" as long as it causes a civilized discussion, not flame. This message board is about discussions, not pure IMHOs, you know.
Just Fan
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« Reply #171 on: 06-06-2012 08:45 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 08:46 »

I feel compelled to remind everyone that all things are not equal in the clips we have been shown.  Clearly Amy and Leela are not in their normal state of mind.
Yes. On the contrary, clearly Leela and Zapp are both in their normal state of mind in 7ACV05. That's why I'm more concerned about "Zapp Dingbat".
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #172 on: 06-06-2012 08:56 »

Yes. On the contrary, clearly Leela and Zapp are both in their normal state of mind in 7ACV05. That's why I'm more concerned about "Zapp Dingbat".
I would argue that Leela would not be in her normal state of mind knowing that her mother is dating and possibly sleeping with someone she has slept with and also loathes.
Just Fan
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« Reply #173 on: 06-06-2012 08:59 »

You've got a point, Louis smile.
Imy

Bending Unit
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« Reply #174 on: 06-06-2012 09:05 »

Earlier Kif was sarcastic and frustated by Zapp's incompetence, but now he is just a p*ssy.
Fry used to be naive and simple, now he is just a moron.
Amy used to be a nice girl who just wasn't too much into chastitiy, but now...etc, etc, etc...

That's exactly right. They're turning their personalities into absurd caricatures. These characters used to have more dimensions, now it's just 'Amy the Tramp, Fry the Idiot, Kif the Wimp' for the sake of some stupid sex gags.

I'm not going to dismiss these episodes from the snippets I've seen, but my opinion so far couldn't get any lower.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #175 on: 06-06-2012 09:09 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 10:08 »

@Inquisitor Hein
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(As I already stated: I will say "This episode looks like it will suck big time", but NEVER add "..and anyone who might enjoy it will also suck". So, my opinion about the episode can never be the subject of your appreciation.)
Actually it perfectly can be "the subject of my appreciation" as long as it causes a civilized discussion, not flame. This message board is about discussions, not pure IMHOs, you know.


EVERY opinion regarding a TV show is just an "ImhO". We do not have any absolutes in "taste", likes and dislikes vary from person to person.

Also, "Flames" are rather unjustified accusations. While I put down clearly
- The Points I do dislike about the preview
- My reasons for disliking them
Which will result in a personal expectation/appreciation about the episode based on the presented "product sample".
With most people, this appreciation is mostly somewhere "in the middle", though it can go to extremes (hardly being able to await the episode, or having no wish to see it at all).
But -as long as it's based on valid consideration- even
"Looks like the beste episode ever" is not a reflex-fanboy/girl automatic cheering, and neither is "I do not wish to see it" is a flame.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #176 on: 06-06-2012 09:18 »

That's exactly right. They're turning their personalities into absurd caricatures. These characters used to have more dimensions, now it's just 'Amy the Tramp, Fry the Idiot, Kif the Wimp' for the sake of some stupid sex gags.
Yes.  It's call flanderization, and it affects nearly every long running sitcom.  Futurama isn't nearly as bad as some shows though (cough cough... Family Guy).  I think characters in Futurama are still multidimensional, but they usually do each have one overriding characteristic.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #177 on: 06-06-2012 09:53 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 10:05 »

I feel compelled to remind everyone that all things are not equal in the clips we have been shown.  Clearly Amy and Leela are not in their normal state of mind.

I feel compelled to add that Amy and Leela are not in their normal state of mind because of a drug they have been WILLINGLY taken wink So, I would not rate their self-imposed abnormal state of mind as an acceptable excuse.


I do think it's wise to actually watch the episodes before judging them (and deciding to give up on the show) rather than stop watching the show because of a small clip from one episode...

Well..my decicision was not based on "Butterjunk effect" alone. Over all the seasons, quite a lot of "female superiority"  "Women rock, men suck" "Women are in every way superior to men" ideology was added up. Which already lead to some unwillingness on my side to put up with much of that any more.

"The Butterjunk Effect" preview was just the last straw that broke the camels back.
It's not the episode itself, but an episode detail adding to an already pre-existing pool of accumulated ideology. "The Butterjunk Effect" preview just gave that "ideology pool" a "critical mass",  leading to my decision to turn my back on the show and hope for it's cancellation to make room for something hopefully better.
Just Fan
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« Reply #178 on: 06-06-2012 10:11 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 10:35 »

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EVERY opinion regarding a TV show is just an "ImhO". We do not have any absolutes in "taste", likes and dislikes vary from person to person.

Also, "Flames" are rather unjustified accusations. While I put down clearly
- The Points I do dislike about the preview
- My reasons for disliking them
Which will result in a personal expectation/appreciation about the episode based on the presented "product sample".
With most people, this appreciation is mostly somewhere "in the middle", though it can go to extremes (hardly being able to await the episode, or having no wish to see it at all).
But -as long as it's based on valid consideration- even
"Looks like the beste episode ever" is not a reflex-fanboy/girl automatic cheering, and neither is "I do not wish to see it" is a flame.
Nobody here can force you to change your opinion about an episode or the whole show. It's a internet message board, not real life. So I still don't really understand the reason of your anger towards me. It sounds absolutely pointless to me.
Just Fan
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« Reply #179 on: 06-06-2012 10:19 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 10:26 »

Deleted.

P.S.
I've messed up with quotings or something. Sorry. smile
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #180 on: 06-06-2012 10:35 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 10:44 »

Well..your post sounded like bearing some undertones, as if you wanted to say:
"I object with you having that opinion at all" instead of "I do not share your point of view".

To avoid being unfair to you (based on a wrong interpretation on my part, with your post NOT being meant the way described above), I tried to write my answer as neutral as possible at all.

I pointed out the difference between "objecting to an opinion" and "objecting to someone for having that opinion". Though I voiced it rather in a rather clear, no-fuzz tone, I do not think any of my posts directed at you were impolite and/or respectless.
At least not deliberately. Should any of my phrases be subject to an interpretation that it could have been meant in a deragotary way towards you: Impoliteness and Respectlessness was never my intent.

Also, I was not really sure wether your use of the word "flame" was also refering to me. So I felt the need to point out (I think also in a neutral way) that an extremely negative impression does not automatically have to be a flame.
Just Fan
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« Reply #181 on: 06-06-2012 10:40 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 10:44 »

Nope. I have nothing personal against your point of view. I've just tried to make things a bit more optimistic. Maybe it's just my bad english. That's all.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #182 on: 06-06-2012 10:48 »

I feel compelled to add that Amy and Leela are not in their normal state of mind because of a drug they have been WILLINGLY taken wink So, I would not rate their self-imposed abnormal state of mind as an acceptable excuse.
You're making some assumptions on how self-imposed it is.  It's not fair to assume that they knew all of the side effects before taking said drug.  Also, at this point we don't even know how willingly they took the drugs.  They could have been pressured in a "everyone does it so we have to do it too" situation in order to compete in this butterfly derby league.

Over all the seasons, quite a lot of "female superiority"  "Women rock, men suck" "Women are in every way superior to men" ideology was added up.
I'm not sure where you are coming from with this.  Can you give specific examples?  Examples that aren't gender stereotypes being parodied?  Because those are not ideology.

In my experience, Futurama is at it's best when the intended message is ambiguous and dualistic in nature.  They present a range of extremes on an issue and encourage self reflection to find out where one stands.  Futurama is at it's worst when it is too heavy handed with the message. "I Dated A Robot" is the offender that comes to mind.  Again, this is my experience with Futurama and YMMV.
Jezzem

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« Reply #183 on: 06-06-2012 10:55 »

Can we just enjoy the moment of Amy and Leela kiss-fighting over Fry?

Not when there are females being shown to be stronger than males, dammit! mad
who immediatelly use that strength to show that consentual sex/making out does in fact only require the women's consent, and otherwise serve the "it's okay when the women does it double standard"

Fixed it for you wink


I'm not sure how you react to non consensual sex (or kissing in this case), but to me it looked like Fry was having a great time.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #184 on: 06-06-2012 11:09 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 11:15 »

Over all the seasons, quite a lot of "female superiority"  "Women rock, men suck" "Women are in every way superior to men" ideology was added up.
I'm not sure where you are coming from with this.  Can you give specific examples?  Examples that aren't gender stereotypes being parodied?  Because those are not ideology.


Good grief, where should I start?
First:
- This might result in a very long essay, that will probably break a single posts word limit. I will not write that on my netbooks not too good keyboard...you will have to wait until I get home and have access to my regular PC.
Let's put it like that: By making Leela the only fighter, the only courageous character, the only competent leader, the smartest one without being hindered by senility, etcetcetc...by exlusively giving her every positive trait, while the two male characters were only given the negative traits, the writers laid same massive groundwork. The proper tools to serve a "women rock, men suck" plot.
I will write down the numerous examples later...
- I also think this subject has gotten too far into OT, and is now no longer related to Futurama news. A thread dealing with that matter will have to be a new/another one...
Just Fan
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« Reply #185 on: 06-06-2012 11:21 »

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...but to me it looked like Fry was having a great time.
Indeed. BTW, the question is: Why Fry? Amy has lost her interest in Kif and hasn't regained her interest in Bender. She is making out with Fry instead. So what's so special about Fry for both Amy and Leela? What's the drug mechanics?
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #186 on: 06-06-2012 11:40 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 11:42 »

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...but to me it looked like Fry was having a great time.
Indeed. BTW, the question is: Why Fry? Amy has lost her interest in Kif and hasn't regained her interest in Bender. She is making out with Fry instead. So what's so special about Fry for both Amy and Leela? What's the drug mechanics?

My guess: Increased competitiveness (imHO a fitting side effect for a sports drug).
Amy just wants Fry to outperform Leela, because it's Leela normally together with Fry)
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #187 on: 06-06-2012 13:24 »

My guess:

Fry is that scrumdiddlyumptuous. I would have a kiss fight with Leela over him.
Jezzem

Urban Legend
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« Reply #188 on: 06-06-2012 13:38 »

Well let's hope you're a gay male, then. Otherwise it would send the message that "women rock and men suck".
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

Urban Legend
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« Reply #189 on: 06-06-2012 13:47 »

Whether I am a female or a gay male is unimportant.  You males are our property, you exist for our convenience and comfort, and we own you.  Now make me some waffles, biological pleasure unit.  
cake
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« Reply #190 on: 06-06-2012 14:02 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 14:09 »

Whether I am a female or a gay male is unimportant.  You males are our property, you exist for our convenience and comfort, and we own you.  Now make me some waffles, biological pleasure unit.  
You own nothing especially if you are gay.
Jezzem

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« Reply #191 on: 06-06-2012 14:46 »

Whether I am a female or a gay male is unimportant.  You males are our property, you exist for our convenience and comfort, and we own you.  Now make me some waffles, biological pleasure unit. 

Gasp! Feminazi! I'm being discriminated against! Oh the terrible fate of being a man in a woman's world full of misandrist cartoons! cry
DannyJC13

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« Reply #192 on: 06-06-2012 14:50 »

Interesting clip, I'm guessing the planet they're on is where the Butterfly Derby takes place. big grin
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #193 on: 06-06-2012 14:57 »

It looked like Amphibious 9 to me. I can't really be bothered re-checking however.
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #194 on: 06-06-2012 15:52 »

It kind of looked to me like they were inside a tree. Perhaps this episode takes place in the Hundred Acre Wood.



Over all the seasons, quite a lot of "female superiority"  "Women rock, men suck" "Women are in every way superior to men" ideology was added up.
I'm not sure where you are coming from with this.  Can you give specific examples?  Examples that aren't gender stereotypes being parodied?  Because those are not ideology.

There was a discussion along these lines a few months ago in the "War is the H-Word" thread, if you're looking for some light reading. wink
Onuki

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« Reply #195 on: 06-06-2012 17:12 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 17:20 by TheMadCapper »

Most people
They just don't dig deep enough
Noooo
They only see what they wanna see
Not the real stuff

You own nothing especially if you are gay.

why does it bother someone so much if i'm gay? big deal! it's not like i'm forcing anyone to be gay or bi too
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #196 on: 06-06-2012 17:26 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 18:03 »

@Unmentionable>
Whether I am a female or a gay male is unimportant.  You males are our property, you exist for our convenience and comfort, and we own you.  Now make me some waffles, biological pleasure unit.  
You own nothing especially if you are gay.

Get to the complete sentence, please:

BOTH phrases were spoken in jest, both were not meant to be taken serious.
And now let's look at the reaction these two jokes caused:

- Demanding 50% of humanity to be deprived of all human rights, to be kept as slaves is considered acceptable.
- Telling that no one gets to keep any slaves, especially not gay causes an outrage.

So, in what way does that phrase degrade you? It's about as if I said "Human beings cannot fly on their own, especially not gays". It's pointless.NOT ONE human being can fly on his/her own. "Especially not gays" would only make sense if there was a rudimentary flight ablity given to humans, and gay would be condsired to do worse.

In the Western society, NO ONE may keep slaves. Straight, gays, man, women, etc...
So, adding "especially not that group may own anything" cannot really bear any deragotary meaning.
"Gays are even more forbidden to own slaves than straight people?" That taboo is an absolute, therefore no group can be "more forbidden" than the other one.

Edit for MadCapper>Sorry, my internet connection broke before I could add @Unmentionable. I was refering to his anger about cake's post, stating that this post can in fact not have the slightest insulting message towards him.
Before the added "@Unmentionable", my posts looked as if it was aimed at cake, which would not have made too much sense...wink
TheMadCapper

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« Reply #197 on: 06-06-2012 17:27 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 17:43 »

I imagine that cake was saying that in the context of SpaceGoldfishTooLongName stating that men are owned by whatever SpaceBlahBlah happens to be, existing only for his/her/its biological pleasure. cake is stating his independence, and mentioning that this is doubly so if he isn't even interested in providing biological pleasure to the demographic SpaceThingy belongs to.

And since SpaceWhatever intentionally obfuscates the matter of their gender and sexuality, that's not entirely unreasonable.

Context, young padawan, context.

Edited because I write stuff and post it without making sure all the names are correct.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #198 on: 06-06-2012 18:46 »

Let's put it like that: By making Leela the only fighter, the only courageous character, the only competent leader, the smartest one without being hindered by senility, etcetcetc...by exlusively giving her every positive trait, while the two male characters were only given the negative traits, the writers laid same massive groundwork. The proper tools to serve a "women rock, men suck" plot.
Is your view of the characters really that one sided?  It seems to me that you are distorting them to fit your argument.  I'll provide some counter examples:

Leela: nosy, opinionated, mopey, aggressive, violent, picky, jealous, insecure

Fry: courageous (when the time comes), loyal, willing to sacrifice, friendly, creative, easy going

Obviously there are exceptions to these traits and that's the point.  None of the characters display all of their traits all of the time.  It's a mix.
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #199 on: 06-06-2012 19:34 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2012 19:43 »

Whether I am a female or a gay male is unimportant.  You males are our property, you exist for our convenience and comfort, and we own you.  Now make me some waffles, biological pleasure unit.  
You own nothing especially if you are gay.

Gay people own lots of nice things.  That's why they get mugged so much.

And I would agree on Leela... sometimes it feels like she's too perfect, especially to the other male characters (some people accuse her of being a God Mode Sue on tvtropes).  But every so often we see more of her negative side, and we actually have seen more of her less admirable qualities in this run, to the point that they eclipse her positive ones at points.  She's shown to be vindictive, demanding, selfish, egotistical, capricious, tactless, and willing to sacrifice her friends for petty or meaningless goals or to further her own ego (The Sting, and then she managed to top that in Mobius Dick).    

Amy started off as being the naive sweetheart who didn't really have a bad bone in her body, and Fry was a nice but sometimes jerky everyman (Early seasons Fry is much more likely to be an asshole).  Amy's become more actively bitchy rather then being a bit tactless/awkward as the series has gone on, and Fry's pretty much the embodiment of innocence now (at least in the Futuramaverse.)   She's still the character whose least likely to be actively malicious after Fry though.   Now that I think about it, Amy's catty little comments towards Leela are good for shutting her up every now and then.   Leela says much more cutting and hurtful things to Fry anyway. 
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