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Frisco17

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« Reply #280 on: 07-19-2008 22:45 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2008 22:45 »

 
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Originally posted by hobbitboy:
How were the robot pirates able to aim their harpoons at Yivo when they couldn't see through the void, let alone pass through it?

Schkee's the size of a very large planet and was rather close to the portal. I think it would take more effort to miss schklim than to get a hit.
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« Reply #281 on: 07-22-2008 06:50 »
« Last Edit on: 07-24-2008 00:00 »

Oh yeah? If skle's such a massive planet-like object then how are a couple of human-scale robots operating a manually powered winch [are] able to reel skler in to a vessel floating in space?

I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic winch or something?

[Edit: Replaced 'c' with 'k' in a sklouple of places.]

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« Reply #282 on: 07-22-2008 12:28 »

 
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Originally posted by hobbitboy:
How were the robot pirates able to aim their harpoons at Yivo when they couldn't see through the void, let alone pass through it?
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Originally posted by hobbitboy:
Oh yeah? If skle's such a massive planet-like object then how are a couple of human-scale robots operating a manually powered winch able to reel skler in to a vessel floating in space?

I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic winch or something?
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« Reply #283 on: 07-22-2008 13:06 »

 
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Originally posted by hobbitboy:
Oh yeah? If skle's such a massive planet-like object then how are a couple of human-scale robots operating a manually powered winch able to reel skler in to a vessel floating in space?

I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic winch or something?

[Edit: Replaced 'c' with 'k' in a sklouple of places.]


For one, they're robots, and have far greater strength capacity than humans. For two, Yivo is in space, so they're not technically fighting any real gravitational pull, making it exponentially easier to move shklim.
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« Reply #284 on: 07-22-2008 23:07 »

I was just about to say those same things. Well done A_B.
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« Reply #285 on: 07-24-2008 07:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Anarchy_Balsac:
 For one, they're robots, and have far greater strength capacity than humans.
So? I don't recall claiming that the distance between them wouldn't decrease.
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For two, Yivo is in space
  roll eyes So is the pirate ship!
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so they're not technically fighting any real gravitational pull, making it exponentially easier to move shklim.
Gravity aside, the tension on the ropes imparts a force to the objects at each end of the ropes. This force generates momentum, causing both objects to move toward each other (because, as you rightly point out, space is essentially frictionless). Momemtum = speed x mass. Hence

Speed(Y) x Mass(Y) = Speed(PS) x Mass(PS)

rearranging

Speed(Y) = Speed(PS) x [Mass(PS) / Mass(Y)]

Lets say Yivo has the same mass as Pluto (that doesn't even qualify as a planet these days, even the Moon is five times 'heaver') ie 1 x 10^22 kg. Lets say the Pirate Ship has the same mass as the Titanic (the 1912AD version) approximately 5 x 10^7 kg. And the robot-operated winch is pulling the two with enough force to get the Pirate Ship moving (towards Yivo) at 10 mph.

The speed that Yivo would be moving at is thus: Speed(Y)
= 10 mph x [5 x 10^7 / 1 x 10^22]
= 10 mph / 200,000,000,000,000
= 0.00000000000005 mph

Yivo is now drifting towards the Pirate Ship at a rate that would take him 36,000 years to travel one inch! (In the same amount of time the Pirate Ship would have travelled over three billion miles.) Who is being 'reeled in' to whom?

With no friction, speed resulting from attractive forces comes down to a battle of mass. If Yivo is (to quote a recent post) "the size of a very large planet" the only effect the winch would have is to pull the Pirate Ship toward Yivo.

[Sorry for not being clearer in my previous post.   frown ]

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« Reply #286 on: 07-24-2008 11:14 »

 
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Originally posted by hobbitboy:
So? I don't recall claiming that the distance between them wouldn't decrease.

So your point is nullified until you can prove that robots would not have sufficient strength to move shklim.

 
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Originally posted by hobbitboy:So is the pirate ship

So? That doesn't effect what I said. The point was about The ease with which they could move Yivo, which whether or not he was effected by a gravitational source would be a significant factor. Whether or not the pirate ship is in space is irrelevant.

 
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Gravity aside, the tension on the ropes imparts a force to the objects at each end of the ropes. This force generates momentum, causing both objects to move toward each other (because, as you rightly point out, space is essentially frictionless). Momemtum = speed x mass. Hence

Speed(Y) x Mass(Y) = Speed(PS) x Mass(PS)

rearranging

Speed(Y) = Speed(PS) x [Mass(PS) / Mass(Y)]

Lets say Yivo has the same mass as Pluto (that doesn't even qualify as a planet these days, even the Moon is five times 'heaver') ie 1 x 10^22 kg. Lets say the Pirate Ship has the same mass as the Titanic (the 1912AD version) approximately 5 x 10^7 kg. And the robot-operated winch is pulling the two with enough force to get the Pirate Ship moving (towards Yivo) at 10 mph.

The speed that Yivo would be moving at is thus: Speed(Y)
= 10 mph x [5 x 10^7 / 1 x 10^22]
= 10 mph / 200,000,000,000,000
= 0.00000000000005 mph

Yivo is now drifting towards the Pirate Ship at a rate that would take him 36,000 years to travel one inch! (In the same amount of time the Pirate Ship would have travelled over three billion miles.) Who is being 'reeled in' to whom?

With no friction, speed resulting from attractive forces comes down to a battle of mass. If Yivo is (to quote a recent post) "the size of a very large planet" the only effect the winch would have is to pull the Pirate Ship toward Yivo.

[Sorry for not being clearer in my previous post.    frown ]


Some things you missed though:

1. There wasn't "one" wench, but rather one per cable.

2. There is still the matter that we don't know the strength at which the robots would pull(technically push actually).

3. You only factored in the mass of the pirate ship, not the robots.

4. Electromatter doesn't behave like regular matter. It may be that electro matter is made entirely of electrons, making it so that more mass is actually equivalent to far less regular mass.
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« Reply #287 on: 07-24-2008 11:27 »
« Last Edit on: 07-24-2008 11:27 »

@hobbitboy:

Remember, just because Yivo is the size of a planet, that doesnt necessarily mean that he has the density of a planet.  Yivo seemed to be made of something like a giant ball of cotton, with the notable exception of a giant, beaked mouth of course.  And who knows what the laws of physics are in shkler own universe?  Shklee might only mass as much as a bowling ball (in Universe A terms) for all we know.  Also, although your math is correct, it assumes that the pirate ship has no means of station keeping.  The thing has engines to counteract the tension on the cables. 
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« Reply #288 on: 07-24-2008 12:29 »

 
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Originally posted by hobbitboy:

Lets say Yivo has the same mass as Pluto (that doesn't even qualify as a planet these days, even the Moon is five times 'heaver') ie 1 x 10^22 kg.

Wait... Yivo has mass? I didn't even know shklee was Catholic!
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« Reply #289 on: 07-24-2008 12:50 »
« Last Edit on: 07-24-2008 12:50 »

Okay, if I stick a barbed point attached to a line into your flesh I seriously doubt that you would resist the pull on the line for long due to the pain.  Yivo was clearly able to move under his own power.  Shklee obviously was able to feel pleasure inversesly, shlee should also feel pain.  I don't think the pirates pulled shklim as much as they forced shklim to come to them.  This negates the entire mass and force argument.  So far as it goes, did the pirate ship use the same powerplant as Planet Express Ship?  If so then the pirates simply moved the universe.
P.S. Anarchy, it doesn't matter how many wenches were on the pirate ship,  the lines were reeled in by winches.  flirt
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« Reply #290 on: 07-24-2008 13:06 »

LOL, well I guess I've got a bit of a nasty mind there, eh?
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« Reply #291 on: 07-24-2008 21:44 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
 Wait... Yivo has mass? I didn't even know shklee was Catholic!

Classic Xanfor.

 
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Originally posted by Anarchy_Balsac:
LOL, well I guess I've got a bit of a nasty mind there, eh?

Ha nice catch there.  laff
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« Reply #292 on: 11-15-2008 16:42 »

Screw all the nay-sayers, I loved it.

This.
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« Reply #293 on: 11-16-2008 02:23 »

I seen this episode on tv a few weeks ago. I thought it was really good. It was the first episode I seen in about a year. I seen part of BBS too. Though, I liked Beat with a Billion Backs better.
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« Reply #294 on: 11-11-2013 19:00 »

The second best of the DVD movies. It was funny, and was on a pretty good role in the first and second acts. But as soon as Yivo came. the movie kind of fell down a downwards slope. The story just got stupid after then. I will admit, I laughed alot while watching this one though.

7/10
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« Reply #295 on: 11-14-2013 06:46 »

I love this one.  It's probably my favorite of the movies, the story's funny and it makes good use of all of the characters in the show.  I really like the Scruffy deleted scene from the DVD.   laff  9/10
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