Star Wars: A New Thread

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That was a pretty good dream, I enjoyed watching it.

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That dream you had is happening...on Blue Ray...coming out in September

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Why that's only next month! ...

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I'm not a fan of star wars, but one thing I absolutely love researching and looking at are the costume designs for Queen Amidala.  I really love seeing the various different homages to many cultures/traditional dress that has gone into them, and I always am pretty fascinated by concept art for films. 

It looks like they kind of focused on geisha inspired fashion for the main focus of her design, and built the vairous references around that.   The make up she wears on her top and bottom lip does look like a tradition among geishas (for a long time in Japan, full lips were considered very unattractive, while a small pouting "rosebud" look was desirable.)  So it is common for geisha to white out parts of their lips, and use red pigment to exxaggerate the remainder.  Also the shape of the red paint on the lips is used to denote rank (a maiko, or apprentice geisha will have different shaped lips to a senior one, or so I have read.  Or red.)

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So Yahoo had an article up yesterday over the Blu-Ray re-release and fans were busy nerd raging about how Lucas keeps fucking up the original trilogy. I for one do not mind small changes like covering up some minor mistakes like the Wampa arm rod that is exposed all of two milliseconds on camera while Luke is attacked on Hoth or fixing the lightsabers to be truer to the way they once were before they somehow ruined them on the DVD release but if Lucas has tampered with any sequence like, say, leaving Han shooting in defense I'll be a bit miffed. Han definitely shot first. Don't pussyfoot around the fact he's not PC Lucas... That and adding Hayden to the Force ghost scene which made no sense really. I mean it does, but it doesn't. I get that it is supposed to symbolize him returning to what he was before he turned to the Dark Side but at the same time, Sebastian should never have been erased. Vader/Anakin was redeemed and I think having his old self as the ghost to symbolize that is better. I can't explain it but to me it feels right.

Ranting over silly nerds is done.

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Lightsabres have been replaced with walkie-talkies.

Hah. I find the whole thing with Han shooting first/second to be really odd. Why would Lucas have felt compelled to change that? The guy is supposed to be a crook, a ruffian, a morally-dubious anti-hero. Why would you fuck with that?

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Because Lucas hates the Han Solo character.

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I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

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That and adding Hayden to the Force ghost scene which made no sense really. I mean it does, but it doesn't. I get that it is supposed to symbolize him returning to what he was before he turned to the Dark Side but at the same time, Sebastian should never have been erased. Vader/Anakin was redeemed and I think having his old self as the ghost to symbolize that is better. I can't explain it but to me it feels right.

This is what I nerd raged about too, and that was my reasoning.  I also echoed Kevin Murphy's RiffTrax response to Hayden's appearance in ROTJ.

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Why isn't Obi-Won young too?  Sounds like he pulled the bad straw on that one!

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Yeah, apparently if you're evil most of your life, but repent just before you die, you get to be young again as a ghost, but if you were good the whole time you're stuck as an old fart.  Seems fair.

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Yeah, apparently if you're evil most of your life, but repent just before you die, you get to be young again as a ghost, but if you were good the whole time you're stuck as an old fart.  Seems fair.

You perfectly described what I could not begin to convey without much length and pointless drivel. Also in a way it advocates being bad until the last second. Hey, would you rather be an old ghost or a young one?

@Coldy: All the things are replaced by walkie-talkies.

Maybe in ten more re-releases they'll change Greedo for a horribly 'Shopped in Lucas and Han will shoot first. Hey, angry nerds can dream right?

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Stop worrying about the prequels. It starts at 4 and ends at 6. End of story!

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And don't buy the special editions, get the unmodified ones.

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Svip will "love" this:

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Riddle me this; how did R2D2 get behind that rock in the Blu-Ray version?  Or did they not consider that?  R2D2 is hardly a practical robot for moving.

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He got in that cave the way he gets into C3PO, from the rear!

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When are 7, 8, and 9 being made? I read about those plans back before the prequels were made. I wanna see Luke and Han all old and decrepit.

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Those plans were canned before the prequels were made.

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Svip will "love" this:

I never even noticed that guy there. Could they not edit him out like people edit creepers out of pictures in Photoshop? Why pull a mindfuck? Oh wait, nevermind.

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Riddle me this; how did R2D2 get behind that rock in the Blu-Ray version?  Or did they not consider that?  R2D2 is hardly a practical robot for moving.

He has rockets and can fly...apparently.

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Those plans were canned before the prequels were made.

This is true.

Riddle me this; how did R2D2 get behind that rock in the Blu-Ray version?  Or did they not consider that?  R2D2 is hardly a practical robot for moving.

He has rockets and can fly...apparently.

This is also true. Except that they stopped working somewhere between 19 BBY and 0 BBY and Captain Antilles never bothered to fix it.

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That's an explanation that only makes sense if the prequels were made first. It's sound continuity that, with the Empire getting all kinds of serious and breathing down people's necks, that people wouldn't be so quick to do repairs. Look at the "used universe" look of the original trilogy compared to the prequels. R2D2 was just broken.

However, we don't live in that universe. The only reason R2D2 can fly in the prequels but never did in the originals was George Lucas in 1977 thought, "Hm, we could do it, but it would cost some money and I really don't want to ruin the realism of this gritty world," while George Lucas in 2005 thought, "Zomg, we can do so much with CGI. ... LET'S PUT ROCKETS ON R2D2!!!"

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Why would anyone put rockets on an astromech droid?  Why would he need them?

Also, R2-D2 isn't that old.  He wouldn't have even been built yet during the time period when the prequels supposedly take place.

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Maybe someone forget to tell Lucas he had to follow G-canon. He probably followed S- or F-canon when thinking the prequels through.

OR...

Time travel/protoype? I'm sure there is some immensely cheap excuse aside from the obvious as to why R2 is there.

For those not one with the Force (or who are just casually browsing and are not Star Wars geeks), this will explain canon levels if you didn't know them.

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When are 7, 8, and 9 being made?

Those plans were canned before the prequels were made.

Read the Heir to the Empire trilogy by Timothy Zahn. It's better anyway. Admiral Thrawn FTW.

E: Actually, Coldangel reminds me of Thrawn a bit... 

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Why would anyone put rockets on an astromech droid?  Why would he need them?

Astromech, for space flight!

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Read the Heir to the Empire trilogy by Timothy Zahn. It's better anyway. Admiral Thrawn FTW.

E: Actually, Coldangel reminds me of Thrawn a bit... 

To the extent that I am an Admiral?

Only Timothy Zahn book I ever read was one of his few non-SW books, 'The Icarus Hunt'. I enjoyed it.

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Blasphemy and shame to anyone who hasn't read the Empire trilogy.

Admiral Thrawn has to be the best villain I've ever had the pleasure to read a story about in the Star Wars EU, or pretty much any book for that matter. Quite a tricky and devious bastard if there ever was one. He rivals the Emperor himself I believe. Captain Pellaon on the other hand is a twat and I sometimes wonder how he even rose to his rank. He's the typical Imperial captain that thinks all Rebels are idiots and certainly they can't do something cunning and out of the box.

I thought the first book read rather slowly but the other two are fast reads. Picked 'em up over the summer and I'm almost done with the third. I love how Thrawn is also featured in the X-Wing series. I'm excited to finish up that series soon.

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thank god that george lucas is finally fixing the problems with the original trilogy. god only knows it really needed a darth vader NOOOO (since the one in the prequel was so great and all) and also they really needed to make obi-wan's animal cry that scared off the sand people sound much more retarded.

i mean really, what the hell is that even supposed to sound like? nothing that could scare anyone away, that's for sure.

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Admiral Thrawn has to be the best villain I've ever had the pleasure to read a story about in the Star Wars EU, or pretty much any book for that matter.

Definitely one of the very best. Very few rivals in the SW universe.

Or anywhere.

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Blasphemy and shame to anyone who hasn't read the Empire trilogy.

Read?  Star Wars is three films and nothing else.

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You're on shaky ground there, svip. The Empire trilogy is as canon as the movies, and would be every bit as awesome on the screen, as long as they stuck to telling the story and didn't try to fuck about with VFX for two hours.

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Perhaps, but I have limited myself to safety.  Otherwise I am going to get into many an argument about what constitutes Star Wars to me.  Now I have limited myself to the original trilogy.

Besides, I don't find the Star Wars universe as interesting as the Star Trek and Firefly ones.

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I'll agree with you there about Firefly, but if you don't at least give Empire a chance (for me SW consists of that trilogy and the original movies) then you're cheating yourself out of a damn enriching experience.

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To the extent that I am an Admiral?

No - a dark, brooding genius who doesn't hesitate to commit genocide to accomplish his goals.

The Empire trilogy is as canon as the movies, and would be every bit as awesome on the screen, as long as they stuck to telling the story and didn't try to fuck about with VFX for two hours.

QFT.

You know, considering how cool those CGI The Old Republic trailers are (previous page), the idea of the Empire trilogy one day being released as movies is not beyond the realm of possibility... just do it soon, while the original actors can still lend their voices to the production.

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Can Lucas not direct it?

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You know, considering how cool those CGI The Old Republic trailers are (previous page), the idea of the Empire trilogy one day being released as movies is not beyond the realm of possibility... just do it soon, while the original actors can still lend their voices to the production.

Between them, the voice cast of Futurama could probably provide passable imitations.

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You're on shaky ground there, svip. The Empire trilogy is as canon as the movies...

Accepting the 'expanded universe' would mean committing to a decade's worth of reading. And who really wants to do that? At least Trek has the decency to dismiss its literature as non-canon, mostly standalone, and completely optional. You can just read one or two when you get pangs.

But you make "Empire" sound good. Is that the full title?

To the extent that I am an Admiral?

No - a dark, brooding genius who doesn't hesitate to commit genocide to accomplish his goals.

Awwww

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Nope "Heir to the Empire" is the title. Followed by "Dark Force Rising" and concluded with "The Last Command". Then there's "Vision of the Future" and "Spectre of the Past", the not-quite-as-good ten-years-later novels. The "Empire" trilogy are really the only ones I'd recommend viewing as canon. Anything after that, I look upon as really dedicated fanfiction.