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Nurdbot

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« Reply #40 on: 09-20-2004 12:02 »

Shrek 2 was a good sequal.
Jicannon

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« Reply #41 on: 09-20-2004 13:41 »

I didn't see that yet...I only saw Shrek 4 times....but each time is was in Spanish.
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« Reply #42 on: 09-20-2004 13:54 »
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Shrek 2 was a good sequal.

Agreed, although I didn't think it was quite as good. Too many cheap pop culture jokes. It was still a worthy sequal though, I'll sure be getting it on DVD when it comes out...

Personally, I think Spiderman 2 is the best sequal we've had for a very long time. I really liked the first movie, but Spiderman 2 did everything which the first one lacked, and everything it had but better. And it didn't over-do things either...

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« Reply #43 on: 09-20-2004 14:49 »

The only thing I didn't like about Spiderman 2 is that Aunt May's speech about everyone having a hero inside them sounded too much like she was trying to convince Peter about something....like she knew he was Spiderman.
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« Reply #44 on: 09-20-2004 15:20 »

I'm going to count "prequels" (Star Wars: Episode I, etc) as sequels since they technically are still just continuing a franchise.

Better then the original:
The Empire Strikes Back
Aliens (about equal anyway)
Toy Story 2

Not as good, but still enjoyable
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (mind you its close anyway)
Planet of the Apes 2-4 (although they stay about level)
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Back to the Future II
Back the Future III

Barely passable:
Alien 3

Oh god why:
Alien: Ressurection
Battle for the Planet of the Apes
Jaws 2
The Phantom Menace
Lion King 2

That's what comes to mind anyway.
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #45 on: 09-20-2004 15:40 »

T2: Best sequel in relation to the original.  Terminator was good for its time, I guess, but it's incredibly campy today.

Bad Sequels: Almost everything, except a few already frequently mentioned above.

Sequels that were underrated by people who didn't get them the first viewing but still aren't as good as the original: The Matrix Sequels.

Someone mentioned Shrek 2 above...anyone else notice any eerie similarities (i.e. ripped-off concepts) between that and Terry Pratchett's Witches Abroad?
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« Reply #46 on: 09-22-2004 23:34 »
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Sequels better than the first
-Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust (JOHN DIMAGGIO FANS ALERT: he does some voices in this)
-Godfather 2
-The Classic Star Wars Sequels
-Toy Story 2
-Spiderman 2 (even though I haven't seen it)
-The Lord of the Rings Sequels
-Batman Returns
-If you count it as a sequel, Kill Bill Vol. 2 (I don't)
-Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
-Shrek 2
-The Harry Potter Sequels (so far)
-Terminator 2
-The Rescuers Down Under

Sequels on par with the first movie
The Matrix Sequels
Tomb Raider 2
Jurassic Park 2
The Mummy Returns
An American Tale: Feivel Goes West
Rush Hour 2
Shanghai Knights
Bad Boys 2

Sequels worse than the original
Men In Black 2
Charlie's Angel's 2
Any freakin' Disney sequel (save those mentioned above)
The Neverending Story 2
The Land Before Time Sequels
Pretty much any other sequel ever made
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« Reply #47 on: 09-23-2004 01:58 »
« Last Edit on: 09-23-2004 01:58 »

   
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
T2: Best sequel in relation to the original.  Terminator was good for its time, I guess, but it's incredibly campy today.
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T2: Is a good conituation of the story from the first movie. As for being campy by todays standards; thats true but at the time those effects were state of the art. Sadly, I thought T3 sucked.

Anyway in my opinion (Which most of the times no one wants to hear    wink ) I feel the worst sequel has got to be Matrix Reloaded. Which is sad to me because I loved the first one. Now I'm scared to see the last one.

Of course every other bad sequel that was mentioned on this thread were bad also.
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« Reply #48 on: 09-23-2004 02:02 »
« Last Edit on: 09-23-2004 02:02 »

Squeaky, don't worry about bashing the Matrix sequels.  If you do a search for our Matrix threads, you'll find a lot of people who hated/were majorly disappointed by them.

Of recent, I'd say that "X-Men 2" was miles ahead of the original. "Spiderman 2" was alright, but in retrospect, wasn't nearly as awesome as I once thought.  I'm not sure if you can include "Kill Bill vol. 2,"  because it's the 'continuation' of the story.
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« Reply #49 on: 09-23-2004 02:20 »

Yeah, the Matrix Sequals were very sub par.
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« Reply #50 on: 09-23-2004 02:29 »
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Oh god why:
Alien: Ressurection
Battle for the Planet of the Apes
Jaws 2
The Phantom Menace
Lion King 2


The phantom menace was'nt that bad i enjoyed it but as for Alien: Ressurrection the only thing i thought about it was the ending was'nt all that great

 
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Squeaky, don't worry about bashing the Matrix sequels. If you do a search for our Matrix threads, you'll find a lot of people who hated/were majorly disappointed by them.

and evan i was'nt one of those people who were majorly dissappointed by the matrix sequals
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« Reply #51 on: 09-23-2004 03:04 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
Squeaky, don't worry about bashing the Matrix sequels.  If you do a search for our Matrix threads, you'll find a lot of people who hated/were majorly disappointed by them.

Of recent, I'd say that "X-Men 2" was miles ahead of the original. "Spiderman 2" was alright, but in retrospect, wasn't nearly as awesome as I once thought.  I'm not sure if you can include "Kill Bill vol. 2,"  because it's the 'continuation' of the story.

Glad to hear that I wasn't the only disapointed with the Matrix trilogy (Well after the first one anyway).

I agree that X-men 2 was way better than the first and I liked the Kill Bill Vol. 1 and 2. I haven't seen Spider-Man 2 I hope too when it comes out on DVD.
Zogonif

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« Reply #52 on: 09-23-2004 03:53 »
« Last Edit on: 09-23-2004 03:53 »

You'll like Spider-man 2 its a big improvement on the first
Squeaky

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« Reply #53 on: 09-23-2004 20:54 »

 
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Originally posted by Zogonif:
You'll like Spider-man 2 its a big improvement on the first

Thats good to know.

Anyway I didn't believe this untill I saw this the other day. There was a sequel to "Killer Clowns From Outer Space", a crappy movie from the 80's. Wow, talk about a movie that didn't deserve a sequel.
Jicannon

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« Reply #54 on: 09-23-2004 22:34 »

Well, I was going to say that X-2 was a good sequal, but evan already did. So.....

X-2 was good. They made wise decisions in adding Nightcrawler and Pyro. That cameo by Colossus was sweet too  smile I'm curious to see how they'll do the story of Phoenix in the 3rd movie...
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« Reply #55 on: 09-24-2004 00:10 »

Hmm, I thought Killer Klowns From Outer Space was so horribly cheesy it was actually passable as an okay movie...but they actually made a sequel? Geez.  roll eyes

Here's my list...i'm sure i'm missing some, but this is just off the top of my head. ^^;

Great Sequels:
Toy Story 2
Shrek 2 (puss in boots stole the show...)
Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls
Gremlins 2
National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation
Ghostbusters 2
Addams Family Values
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II
Rescuers Down Under

Mediocre at best sequels:
Stitch! The Movie
Jurrasic Park 2


Sequels that make you go "WHY, God?!":
Any other Disney direct to video movie sequel
Baby Geniuses 2 (I'm still confused as to why they needed to make a crap sequel to this piece of craptasticness...)
All Dogs Go To Heaven 2
The Star Wars Prequels
Jurrasic Park 3
Bride of Chucky
The Mask 2 (havent seen it yet...but think about it...no Jim Carrey, plus a deranged cgi baby. It's seriously gonna blow, i think.)
Dumb and Dumberer
Secret of NIMH 2: Timmy To The Rescue
Men in Black II
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
Ben

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« Reply #56 on: 09-24-2004 01:47 »
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Barely passable:
Alien 3

Look everyone, he's dissin' David Fincher! Burn his family and belongings!

I'm yet to see a sequel that surpasses the original and isn't titled 'Terminator 2' (but that's slightly different considering it's basically an awesome, contemporary action film based on some story elements taken from a crappy 80's sci-fi romp.) Most of the best movies never spawned sequels, so I don't see the point from an artistic and narrative point of view.

I'm not counting subsequent instalments of a pre-planned series as sequels, though.

Worst offenders? Probably The Matrix sequels. They fit into the category of a) coming after a reasonably good original movie and b) having a fuck-load of money poured into their production.

If a sequel doesn't meet those two requirements, then at least it has an excuse for being bad.

The Matrix 2 & 3 did, however, and they still blew, so therefore they are the worst. Same deal goes for the Star Wars prequels, but seeing as the third one isn't out yet, I'll reserve judgement (but between you and me, we all know the third one is going to suck, don't we..)

Squeaky

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« Reply #57 on: 09-24-2004 02:13 »

Something in the wind tells me that the upcoming Star Wars movie is going to be bad. Or is it just Ben? But seriously, I think unless George Lucas pulls a BIG rabbit of his hat there is nothing he can do to restore the image that Star Wars once had before the prequel trilogy came out.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #58 on: 09-24-2004 02:27 »

I think David Fincher had admitted that he'd like to forget Alien 3 actually.  Apparently the studio wanted too many things he didn't want, and he thought the movie was terrible.

As for Alien: Ressurection, I think its actually the worst sequel I've ever seen (even worse then Jaws 2).  Its horrid as an action movie and is even worse in relation to the Alien movies.  Completely misses the point.

As for Star Wars Episode III, there's certainly some theories about the potential "rabbit" in Lucas' hat.  One is that much of what goes on in the prequels (including the commissioning of the clone army) is actually Qui-Gon's fault, that I saw on another board.  Looked back on it again recently, and it seems suprisingly accurate.  I think it could really be one of the suprises.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #59 on: 09-24-2004 02:30 »

We'll wait and see, and prey to god Jar-Jar doesn't show up.
Squeaky

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« Reply #60 on: 09-24-2004 03:16 »

If Jar-Jar does show up have a Sith mysteriously come out of nowhere and kill him before he can say anything.

Jar-Jar is definitely one of the most annoying characters of all time.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #61 on: 09-24-2004 03:23 »

I think he's in it, but in a very, very small role.
Zogonif

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« Reply #62 on: 09-24-2004 06:45 »

he was also in Episode 2 but minus the comedy from him which he did in Episode 1
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« Reply #63 on: 09-24-2004 09:05 »
« Last Edit on: 09-24-2004 09:05 »

He still was an annoying little plot device.

And Padme was a moron leaving him in charge while she was gone, I'd rather put someone in charge who can form a proper sentence and not flail about like a retarded clown. 
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« Reply #64 on: 09-24-2004 15:52 »

Good sequels: predator 2, alien 2 and terminator 2
Bad sequels: jurassic park; the lost world, starwars; phantom menace and attack of clones.
Squeaky

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« Reply #65 on: 09-24-2004 16:08 »

I liked Jurassic Park: The Lost World. I know it wasn't as good as the first but come on nothing sucks more than the 3rd Jurassic Park. Well maybe a porn star.
Jicannon

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« Reply #66 on: 09-24-2004 16:14 »

I liked Attack of the Clones....it gave us the Yoda fight  big grin
Squeaky

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« Reply #67 on: 09-24-2004 16:16 »

^^

And still that wasn't enough to save the movie from being average.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #68 on: 09-24-2004 17:10 »

I read that there's more than likely going to be a Terminator 4 starting production next year. The script has been written already. Obviously Arnold can't be in it properly, but apparenly they're trying really hard to get him to make a brief cameo. Or dear god why?! bother even making this, it will ruin a perfectly good trilogy. without Arnold in it properly, it defeats the point before it begins anyway...
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« Reply #69 on: 09-24-2004 22:06 »
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
As for Star Wars Episode III, there's certainly some theories about the potential "rabbit" in Lucas' hat.  One is that much of what goes on in the prequels (including the commissioning of the clone army) is actually Qui-Gon's fault, that I saw on another board.  Looked back on it again recently, and it seems suprisingly accurate.  I think it could really be one of the suprises.
Are you suggesting Qui Gon was posing as Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas and he ordered the clone army?
Would he really have helped Dooku like that?
More importantly, how was Sifo-Dyas actually killed (or by who)?

Here's what I think happened:

Dooku: Jedis are gay, I want to join you.
Sidious: I don't believe you, bring me the head of a Jedi council member and I'll think about it.
Dooku: (later) .... all done!
Sidious: Now that you're doing stuff for me, order a clone army in his name and delete some pesky archive files for me, then I'll teach you the secret handshake.

The simple solution is usually right.
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« Reply #70 on: 09-24-2004 22:48 »
« Last Edit on: 09-24-2004 22:48 »

Best freaking sequels:[/b]
Spider Man 2
Tomb Raider 2
All of the 101 Dalmatian movies.
(Hey that's what the "Dal" means).
Balto 2: Wolf Quest
Toy Story 2
The Pokemon Sequels that I've seen cept #2
Scary Movie 3

Eh...:[/u]
Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls (1st one was better).
The Batman Sequels.
Shrek 2 (The second one kinda ruined it).
Pokemon 2000
X-Men 2
Scary Movie 2

I Fu%k The director:[/b]
ALL OF THE SPY KIDS MOVIES!
Agent Cody Banks (Never saw the 2nd one but I hated the first).
Every Disney sequel
Every Nickolodeon and CN movie

Movies I'll kill to have a sequel:[/b]
Van Helesing
Bruce Almighty
Zoolander
1st to Die (TV Movie)
Tomb Raider (Again!)
Cats & Dogs

Movies I'll kill someone if they have sequels[/b]
Any more Spy Kids movies, and someone is gonna die.
Master of Disguise (LOAD OF SHIT!)
Shrek 3 (I love Shrek but the 2nd one killed it enough).
Hallow Man (Don't get me started...)
The Haunted Mansion (Sucked ass)

Ok. Now see how mad movies make me?
M0le

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« Reply #71 on: 09-25-2004 00:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
Someone mentioned Shrek 2 above...anyone else notice any eerie similarities (i.e. ripped-off concepts) between that and Terry Pratchett's Witches Abroad?
They're both based on fairytale stories, so there's bound to be some similarities in the plot. The people in Shrek 2 were not living in fear, they took a three minute coach ride to get there rather than half a book, and there wasn't a voodoo witch living in a swamp with a zombie.
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« Reply #72 on: 09-25-2004 00:31 »

I thought Pokemon the movie 2000 was the best freaking Pokemon movie ever! The other films I never really cared for but the second holds a special place. I don't even like Pokemon anymore, yet this film still kicks ass! Shame the DVD isn't in widescreen. If it was, I'd buy it on the spot(Damn foolscreen).
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« Reply #73 on: 09-25-2004 01:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
I read that there's more than likely going to be a Terminator 4 starting production next year. The script has been written already. Obviously Arnold can't be in it properly, but apparenly they're trying really hard to get him to make a brief cameo. Or dear god why?! bother even making this, it will ruin a perfectly good trilogy. without Arnold in it properly, it defeats the point before it begins anyway...

I heard this also and I think its going to be hard to replace the emotionless austrian. I mean who are they going to get... Stallone. Ugh
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« Reply #74 on: 09-25-2004 03:17 »

I think When nature calls was actually better than first ace ventura. Not dramatically better but still...  cry

Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #75 on: 09-25-2004 05:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Spacedal11:
 Movies I'll kill someone if they have sequels[/b]
Shrek 3 (I love Shrek but the 2nd one killed it enough).

Prepare to get mad, there will be a Shrek 3, it's already decided...

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« Reply #76 on: 09-25-2004 05:48 »

I thought Shrek 2 was quite good.
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« Reply #77 on: 09-25-2004 07:42 »

 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
 
Are you suggesting Qui Gon was posing as Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas and he ordered the clone army?
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It could be true. In episode 2 Sifo-Dyas is refered to as "a leading member of the Jedi council" and Obi-Wan says "Master Sifi-Dyas was killed almost 10 year ago" So was Qui-Gon! And why else is he in the story unless he has a bigger role than getting killed in TPM? I could be way of, but I think it makes sense.


Anyway back on topic

Shrek 2 and Spiderman 2 were some of the finest sequels EVER. Both surpassed thier already very good originals.

And The Matrix Sequels may not have ben as good as the original, but they're both good films. I enjoyed them very much.

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« Reply #78 on: 09-25-2004 14:56 »
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Qui Gon wasn't on the Jedi council, that was made very clear in TPM by Obi Wan when he said something along the lines of: "If you didn't disagree with them all the time you'd already be on the council, master."

He's in the story because Obi Wan needed a master, Dooku needed an apprentice, and Liam Neeson rocks your fucking socks off.
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« Reply #79 on: 09-25-2004 15:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Squeaky:
 I heard this also and I think its going to be hard to replace the emotionless austrian. I mean who are they going to get... Stallone. Ugh

I heard they were thinking of The Rock.
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