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Action Jacktion

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« Reply #240 on: 12-26-2003 11:50 »

As with The Two Towers, the parts I liked least were the ones that unnecessarily altered the book for the worse.  Frodo abandons Sam because Gollum tells him to?  Oh, come on.  Elrond just teleports from Rivendell to Rohan to give Aragorn the sword (even though Aragorn was supposed to get it before he left Rivendell)?  Okay, the stuff with Elrond in Rivendell could have been a flashback from a while earlier, but it looked like he instantly appeared in Rohan.  Something similar happens toward the end, when the Gondor army goes to Mordor, but that just could have been bad editing.

The book always shows that it takes a long time to get from one place to another, but a few times the movies have people appear in places when it should have taken them a long time to get there (another example is the Elven archers at Helm's Deep) or know things about far places they shouldn't know, like how the people in Ithilien somehow know about the battle in Helm's Deep, even though that's handreds of miles away.
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« Reply #241 on: 12-26-2003 12:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Action Jacktion:
The book always shows that it takes a long time to get from one place to another, but a few times the movies have people appear in places when it should have taken them a long time to get there...

Yeah, but that's just the nature of film.  Especially when you're doing an action film, you want to keep the pace moving, so sometimes you have to sacrifice a realistic timeline.  A movie where all these great, exciting action sequences are seperated by long, boring passes of people walking would be...

... well, it would be the book, really...

... would be pretty dull and have a horrible pace.  I prefer that they compress events and timelines to make the film the best it can be.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #242 on: 12-26-2003 12:26 »

Not to mention the movie was long enough as is, without showing how long it takes to get from place to place.  Almost 4 hours, people!
David A

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« Reply #243 on: 12-26-2003 13:25 »

Long enough as it is?  Really?

I'll grant that I haven't seen RotK yet, so I can't comment on it, but my only real complaint about the first two films was that they were too short.

And I say that despite the fact that I watched Fellowship without using the restroom before the movie, and I was drinking a large bottle of iced tea at the time.
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #244 on: 12-26-2003 14:12 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Long enough as it is?  Really?

I'll grant that I haven't seen RotK yet, so I can't comment on it, but my only real complaint about the first two films was that they were too short.

And I say that despite the fact that I watched Fellowship without using the restroom before the movie, and I was drinking a large bottle of iced tea at the time.

That's why the extended editions were made. I know that they don't show everything that was left from the books. But they give the fans what they want, more of the movies. If they released the movies in that format in theatres, they would be too long. They may seem short in the theatre to you, but I just can't sit down that long in a comfortable way. Other people feel the same way. That's why they cut those parts from the extended editions from the theatrical versions because then they would seem a little too long and the general public doesn't have the patience to sit down that long.
Action Jacktion

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« Reply #245 on: 12-26-2003 14:23 »

My main complaint was about unnecessary changes to the book.  I meant that by adding the scene with Aragorn getting the sword, the movie created the problem of Elrond somehow getting to Rohan much faster than he should have been able to.  I did not say that I wanted the movie to show Elrond making a long journey.
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #246 on: 12-26-2003 18:11 »

Elrond's an elf, and he travelled by himself. He could travel much more quickly. (But that's just my own dumbass guess)
Grim

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« Reply #247 on: 12-26-2003 18:34 »

Saw it last night and it was great, not an exact copy of the book, but what can you expect? It could have been 4 more hours long and full of singing (although it had enough of that).

I think that they made the Steward of Gondor insane too early, and that they should have kept his insanity to being caused by his Palantir.

Also they cut out Sauron's representative at the gate, sure that was merely a cut scene, coz they set it up with sending Frodo's Elven Cloak and Mithiral mail to Sauron.

aah well only 10 months til the extended edition!
Action Jacktion

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« Reply #248 on: 12-26-2003 20:07 »

I think I caught a glimpse of the Mouth of Sauron in the big crowd of orcs, but I'm sure his full scene will be in the extended version.
the real amy

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« Reply #249 on: 12-26-2003 21:37 »

I thought that the scene involving Merry, Eowyn and the Mouth of Sauron was handled really well, as it was one of my favourite parts of the book.
Action Jacktion

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« Reply #250 on: 12-26-2003 21:44 »
« Last Edit on: 12-26-2003 21:44 »

I think you mean the Lord of the Nazgl, aka the Witch-king of Angmar.  (The Mouth of Sauron is the man who meets the army from Gondor at the Black Gate and makes demands, just before the fight begins.)
Mr. Potter

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« Reply #251 on: 12-26-2003 21:45 »
« Last Edit on: 12-26-2003 21:45 »

Real Amy, that was not the Mouth of Sauron. That was the Witch King.

EDIT: What Action Jacktion said.
the real amy

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« Reply #252 on: 12-26-2003 22:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Mr. Potter:
Real Amy, that was not the Mouth of Sauron. That was the Witch King.

Yeah sorry, that's what I meant
VelourFog

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« Reply #253 on: 12-27-2003 13:18 »

 
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Originally posted by mazaite:
 Why do women always seem to unanimously find the most androgine, hell even feminine looking men so "dreamy". Re Orlando Bloom, Leonardo DeCaprio, Most boy bands.

look can't a woman find a girly boy attractive without people having a problem? back in tolkien's day a man could be as girly as he wanted and no one ever thought he was gay.

SlaytanicMaggot
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« Reply #254 on: 12-27-2003 15:02 »

Velour, one word: Liberace.

People didn't think that the guy wasn't gay, they just didn't say it in public.

Please edit your sig to 120 pixel height max.
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Pitt Clemens

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« Reply #255 on: 12-28-2003 05:14 »
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look can't a woman find a girly boy attractive without people having a problem? back in tolkien's day a man could be as girly as he wanted and no one ever thought he was gay.

As if.  Next thing your going to say is that Legolas picked up the ring of power, did some kind of hand gesture and said "Sparkle-sparkle, baby."  And yet the plot continued as per normal.


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mikey

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« Reply #256 on: 12-28-2003 05:32 »

It was awesome to the max. Some guy who was sat near the entrance left at the trick ending, he didnt come back either. it was priceless.
VelourFog

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« Reply #257 on: 12-28-2003 11:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Pitt Clemens:
 As if.  Next thing your going to say is that Legolas picked up the ring of power, did some kind of hand gesture and said "Sparkle-sparkle, baby."  And yet the plot continued as per normal.

no no. you miss my point. the hot guy, Orlando Bloom, is NOT gay. all the stupid dirty Hobbits who are not hot? THEY are the gay ones.

I'm not the person who made the comment about pretty boys, etc. Pretty boys rock. They're all pretty and stuff.


winna

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« Reply #258 on: 12-28-2003 11:45 »

Yeah those pretty boys aren't gay... 
Who says that enjoyment of mansex with other men is gay?
Ryan227

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« Reply #259 on: 12-28-2003 19:56 »

Oh come on the hobbits are cute too!  And I don't think anyone is gay... (in the book/movie)
~FazeShift~

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« Reply #260 on: 12-29-2003 19:52 »

Have you even read the Very Secret Diaries?
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #261 on: 12-29-2003 20:20 »

Gaythings... must... stop..
When did the LOTR thread turn into this?
And regarding the handling of Saruman's end- Of course Peter Jackson couldn't have included it all. If he showed the breaking of the staff, then he would HAVE to show the rest as well, and if he showed the rest, he woud HAVE to show the breaking of the staff. I don't know whether or not he liked the bits, but still...
And it IS too short. Even though I saw them all at a marathon event (12 hours) I hadn't had enough.

And you.. the pharaoh. David A. A Rampaging Dane is none too friendly. Remember- we razed England and made those wussy priests give us all their money for eons afterwards (and wet themselves).
Kryten

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« Reply #262 on: 12-29-2003 21:18 »

So, what the hell was that eyeball thing that Pippin took (no pun intended) at the beginning and it burned him?
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #263 on: 12-29-2003 21:23 »

It was a Palantir. A seeing stone. Very rare. And (obviously) very risky to use. It's the thing Saruman used to speak to Sauron through, and Sauron's strong will made it impossible for those who touched it to resist the power... (It didn't burn Pip, but it must be painful to have The Dark Lord appear inside your mind)
MacTech

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« Reply #264 on: 12-29-2003 23:11 »
« Last Edit on: 12-29-2003 23:11 »

well, just got back from a 7 PM viewing of ROTK, i really can't add anything to the reviews above, they've pretty much covered all the points i would have made...

maybe it's just my overdosing on MST3K, but i couldn't help myself when the scene of the Fellowship approaching the line of Oiliphants(sp?) was onscreen, they were riding towards the Mammoths (easier to type than oiliphants   wink ), and i couldn't help saying....

"Use your harpoons and tow cables, go for the legs"
the people in my row got a good laugh out of that one...   wink

anyone else catch that Wilhelm scream in the main battle, definitely an inside joke in action/scifi/fantasy films  wink
 http://download.theforce.net/video/wilhelm_48mb.mov  (48 MB download, broadband only...) http://download.theforce.net/video/wilhelm_27mb.mov  (27 MB video)
Rocketboy

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« Reply #265 on: 12-29-2003 23:36 »
« Last Edit on: 12-29-2003 23:36 »

 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
Have you even read the Very Secret Diaries?

I read them way back when the first movie came out...

And this is Ryan227...

Slurm Guy

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« Reply #266 on: 12-29-2003 23:55 »

 
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Originally posted by MacTech:
"Use your harpoons and tow cables, go for the legs"

WHAT!? That doesn't make any sense! They didn't have any harpoons or tow cables. They were on horses for Christ sakes! I am outraged that you would disgrace both trilogies in such a way! You sir, are a bafoon!
LAN.gnome

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« Reply #267 on: 12-30-2003 00:25 »
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Originally posted by MacTech:
anyone else catch that Wilhelm scream in the main battle, definitely an inside joke in action/scifi/fantasy films

I'm pretty sure I heard the Wilhelm twice in ROTK, and twice in TTT too. In fact, I think it's used at least once in all the LOTR films. I know it's been in all the Star Wars films (originals and prequels), and I think all the Indiana Jones movies too.

I always smirk a little when I hear one. Listening so closely to the voices on Futurama has trained my ear to notice similarities in sound effects -- it seems there's a certain door creak effect (sort of a metallic creak) every major movie must include once, and apparantly every cat in Hollywood meows exactly the same way (the meow that the black deja-vu cat in The Matrix makes is the one).   wink

Edit: Since you've obviously heard of the Wilhelm, I wonder if you've heard of the "Son of Suns" thing from Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace? I remember reading about both in the same place; maybe you did, too.
Venus

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« Reply #268 on: 12-30-2003 01:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
At the very end, when Bilbo asked Frodo about The Ring, and Frodo says, "I lost it," was anyone else half expecting him to follow that up with "in a volcano"?

Oh, thank god i wasn't the only one! I got excited and i waited for it, but then he didn't deliver and i was disapointed.   laff

And as for Orlando Bloom, there is nothing girly about him, the man is hot.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #269 on: 12-30-2003 07:49 »

Slurm Guy: I thought of it too, and I don't think it's a disgrace. It did resemble the Hoth scene to some extent. Also, when Aragorn says "What does your heart tell you?", I thought of Shmi Skywalker's line from TPM, which is more of a disgracem because it defiled what is the spirit of SW.
What I find quite noticeable is that the hobbits stay low-key after the return. In fact, I'm sure nobody in The Shire has even heard of the big looming danger that was so close to them. And they don't know what the four hobbits have been up to. And still Bilbo doesn't know what his old ring really was...
Nixorbo

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« Reply #270 on: 12-30-2003 09:44 »

On Star Wars and RotK

Serously though, when Eowyn rode under the oliphant to hamstring it, I seriously thought "Yeah ok Luke."

::Still laughing over "I lost it . . . in a volcano"::
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #271 on: 12-30-2003 11:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
Slurm Guy: I thought of it too, and I don't think it's a disgrace. It did resemble the Hoth scene to some extent. Also, when Aragorn says "What does your heart tell you?", I thought of Shmi Skywalker's line from TPM, which is more of a disgracem because it defiled what is the spirit of SW.
What I find quite noticeable is that the hobbits stay low-key after the return. In fact, I'm sure nobody in The Shire has even heard of the big looming danger that was so close to them. And they don't know what the four hobbits have been up to. And still Bilbo doesn't know what his old ring really was...

 It was a joke I made. And I don't know about anybody else, but I think that witches taste good!
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #272 on: 12-30-2003 17:13 »

My entire post was a joke you made?
::Confusion strikes::
So those witches- like chicken or what?
~FazeShift~

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« Reply #273 on: 12-30-2003 17:25 »

What's this Wilhelm thinger?

Is it that scream sound effect that every sci fi movie and game uses when some guy gets blown out of it?
There's also that annoying childrens giggle/laugh that I've heard more than once, bnut I doubt it's that.
LAN.gnome

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« Reply #274 on: 12-30-2003 18:54 »

 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
What's this Wilhelm thinger?

Is it that scream sound effect that every sci fi movie and game uses when some guy gets blown out of it?

Yep. The most easily pin-pointable example I can think of is in Attack of the Clones, right when that bomb goes off on Amidala's ship as it sets down on Coruscant.
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« Reply #275 on: 12-30-2003 19:17 »

I first heard it in Starcraft.
And that childrens giggle is in Episode 1 in the big song and dance number at the end, right about the time Jar Jar gets off his horsiola.
MacTech

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« Reply #276 on: 12-30-2003 19:54 »
« Last Edit on: 12-30-2003 19:54 »

 
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Originally posted by LAN.gnome:
  I'm pretty sure I heard the Wilhelm twice in ROTK, and twice in TTT too. In fact, I think it's used at least once in all the LOTR films. I know it's been in all the Star Wars films (originals and prequels), and I think all the Indiana Jones movies too.

I always smirk a little when I hear one. Listening so closely to the voices on Futurama has trained my ear to notice similarities in sound effects -- it seems there's a certain door creak effect (sort of a metallic creak) every major movie must include once, and apparantly every cat in Hollywood meows exactly the same way (the meow that the black deja-vu cat in The Matrix makes is the one).     wink

Edit: Since you've obviously heard of the Wilhelm, I wonder if you've heard of the "Son of Suns" thing from Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace? I remember reading about both in the same place; maybe you did, too.

another common sound effect is the "Hospital Page" sound effect, specifically a nurses voice that says;

"Dr. Davis, telephone, please, Dr. Davis, telephone, please, Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr. J. Hamilton, Dr. J. Hamilton"

i've heard that in numerous movies when they need a hospital P.A. sound effect, and as well as in "I Remember Now" on Queensryche's "Operation Mindcrime" album, and T.N.T (Terror in Tinseltown) on Motley Crue's "Dr. Feelgood" album
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #277 on: 12-30-2003 20:41 »

Also, there is that *Fffww-swisssh* sound when there is an explosion with lots of flames. It was also used in Doom ][ when that boss (skull painting on the wall) threw out the crates o' monsters.
bendy

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« Reply #278 on: 12-31-2003 13:31 »

Orlando Bloom is not gay. All of the guys are jealous because Velour Fog likes him.  tongue

The man is HOT!
mazaite

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« Reply #279 on: 12-31-2003 15:41 »

Never said he was gay. He's just Masculine Light when it comes to his apperance.
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