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leiapadme77

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« Reply #440 on: 11-28-2011 17:30 »

Oh dear, someone got a hold of my phone. laff
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« Reply #441 on: 11-28-2011 17:50 »

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Looks to me like a cat did it.

leiapadme77

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« Reply #442 on: 11-28-2011 19:21 »

Lol no.
It was my 10 month old daughter playing with my blackberry
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« Reply #443 on: 11-28-2011 21:41 »

Hey leia, did you hear about this exhibit in our area for the next few months?
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« Reply #444 on: 11-28-2011 22:32 »

Nutmeg: I guess you need to read that book, huh? wink


I have 25 other books to read. Maybe at some point in the future I'll waste the money and buy it.
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« Reply #445 on: 11-28-2011 22:51 »

It was my 10 month old daughter playing with my blackberry

A PEELer and SW fan in the making. You can truly say she was posting messages on fan boards before her first birthday!  laff
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« Reply #446 on: 11-28-2011 22:55 »

Nutmeg: I guess you need to read that book, huh? wink


I have 25 other books to read. Maybe at some point in the future I'll waste the money and buy it.

Would you like my copy instead?
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« Reply #447 on: 11-29-2011 00:22 »

It still holds for a hollow spherical shell

Not really, since a hollow spherical shell positioned outside of a gravitational field will have its own gravitational field completely negated by its own structure on the inside. That's why the concept of a habitable inner-surface of a dyson sphere is false.

...I think I just made your argument for you.


Anyway...


How come Palpatine goes from being a genius master manipulator, executing very intricate plots and positioning everybody to unwittingly do his bidding in the prequels... to a lunatic blowing up planets with a giant space gun in the originals?
Seems like a big change... like lost about a hundred IQ points somewhere in-between. The Palpatine depicted in the prequels should have been able to crush the Rebellion without ever firing a shot.
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« Reply #448 on: 11-29-2011 00:28 »

Short answer: Brain damage.

Long answer:
winna

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« Reply #449 on: 11-29-2011 00:30 »

Yeah, but who are the final five?
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« Reply #450 on: 11-29-2011 01:19 »

One thing that confuses me is that how Qui Gon Jin suffers and dies by getting stabed in the gut but Obi Wan and Yoda instantly revert to nothing, also Qui Gon doesn't become a spirit until the end of ROTS where Obi Wan and Yoda can instantly speak to Luke and one another
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« Reply #451 on: 11-29-2011 01:33 »
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One thing that confuses me is that how Qui Gon Jin suffers and dies by getting stabed in the gut but Obi Wan and Yoda instantly revert to nothing, also Qui Gon doesn't become a spirit until the end of ROTS where Obi Wan and Yoda can instantly speak to Luke and one another

It has to do with how Jedi 'return from the netherworld of the force' and become a "ghost" visible to living beings.
At the end of ROTS, there was an entire scene that Qui Gon was supposed to be in where he talks to Yoda and tells him how to do that. It's still in the book and the screenplay. In the actual film, Yoda briefly touches on the subject. Basically, Qui Gon was the first one of them to figure out how to do it, and he tells Obi Wan and Yoda how to do it. Therefore, when they die they disappear and immediately begin to communicate with and appear to those that are force sensitive.

Edit: Also, before anyone asks the "Why then when they appear as ghosts does Obi Wan look like he did in ANH and Anakin looks like he did in ROTS?"
This is because a Jedi comes back in ghost form in whatever was the best part of their life, when they were strongest in the force or at their prime.
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« Reply #452 on: 11-29-2011 02:03 »

I thought Anakin comes back looking like he did in Vader?

Also, if Qui Gon knew, how do we know that Dooku's ghost isn't pirating the galaxy?
leiapadme77

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« Reply #453 on: 11-29-2011 05:27 »

I thought Anakin comes back looking like he did in Vader?

Also, if Qui Gon knew, how do we know that Dooku's ghost isn't pirating the galaxy?

Originally, yes. Sebastian Shaw played Anakin Skywalker at the end of ROTJ. But since Vader was not the 'Prime' of Anakin Skywalker, it was changed to Hayden Christensen. And whether or not you like Hayden Christensen or George Lucas for adding his head in there, it makes more sense in the overall series, as Hayden is known more for Anakin Skywalker than Sebastian Shaw. And it makes more sense in the way that Jedi come back when they were at their best. SO GET OVER IT DAMMIT mad

As for Dooku. Hmm. I'm sure sith can do the same thing. I never really thought about that. I don't really think those ghosts can have much of an effect on the real world other than communicating with people.
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« Reply #454 on: 11-29-2011 09:21 »

There is an article in wookiepedia about that...
Qui-Gon believed that only light side users could appear as ghosts but EU sources state some dark siders using it too..... but EU goes as far as even making some non-force users appear as force ghosts (tought not visible)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_ghost
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« Reply #455 on: 11-29-2011 09:21 »

Wasn't Anakin at his best when he picked up the Emperor and took like 110 billion force volts to the face while throwing him down a hole for some reason?
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« Reply #456 on: 11-29-2011 10:35 »

Yeah, I'm not a fan of child-murdering, Padme-chokers being the Jedi-est Jedi Annakin Skywalker ever was, and I hate both children and Padme.  This excuse strikes me as retconning of the highest order.  This is not to say I haven't partaken in internalized retconning, but at least I have the good decency to acknowledge my state of denial when I can't quite cover up a plot hole.
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« Reply #457 on: 11-29-2011 10:46 »

Wait, the guy who played old messed-up Vaderkin was named Sebastian Shaw?
That's the name of an X-Men comics character. A mutant who runs the Hellfire club.

Coincidence?

Yes.

Also, Anakin wasn't really ever a good dude when he was young. Even before he took to slaughtering children "younglings" he was an arrogant and disrespectful tool. I'd have said his moment of redemption saving luke and offing Palpatine was probably his most pure.
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« Reply #458 on: 11-29-2011 10:52 »

It's not a coincidence.
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« Reply #459 on: 11-29-2011 10:56 »

Also, Anakin wasn't really ever a good dude when he was young. Even before he took to slaughtering children "younglings" he was an arrogant and disrespectful tool. I'd have said his moment of redemption saving luke and offing Palpatine was probably his most pure.

His past was a lot better before it was ruined by being made into films.  I am sorry, colourful pictures played in a sequence.
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« Reply #460 on: 11-29-2011 10:57 »

Oh and if the whole 'return as a Force-ghost' thing was first learned by Qui-Gon, and then taught to Yoda and Obi-Wan.... how did Anakin know how to do it?
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« Reply #461 on: 11-29-2011 12:17 »

He must be a hell of a fast learner
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« Reply #462 on: 11-29-2011 12:18 »

You might say...he has a lot of....midichlorians. smile
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« Reply #463 on: 11-29-2011 12:33 »

Would explain too how he went from a punny mechanic working for a winged slaver in some poor city in a desert planet who flew roman cuadrigas pulled by Boeing 707 turbojets to step directly into the cockpit of a starfighter and flying it directly into combat to nail a super dreadnought that other squadrons of veterans could not find out how
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« Reply #464 on: 11-30-2011 00:22 »

You know what?
I hate Star Wars now.

Gonna go back to Trek.
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« Reply #465 on: 11-30-2011 01:02 »

You might say...he has a lot of....midichlorians. smile

Another case where Darths & Droids explanation trumps the official one in The Phantom Menace:
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« Reply #466 on: 11-30-2011 04:46 »

You know what?
I hate Star Wars now.

Gonna go back to Trek.
I don't know if I should be happy or frightened...
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« Reply #467 on: 11-30-2011 05:10 »

With Coldy frightened is usually the safer option.
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« Reply #468 on: 11-30-2011 05:49 »

Remember kids, be careful where you place your penis!
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« Reply #469 on: 12-01-2011 06:23 »
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I was confused for a while, now I think I understand? (Leia doesn't like Trek talk in the Star Wars thread?)

EDIT: 3D Phantom Menace is coming out here in the US soon. I remember seeing PM back in the 90's when it first came out but I was but a child and it all went over my head. I like the idea of watching Star Wars in theaters so I think when parts 4-6 come out in 3D I might go see them.
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« Reply #470 on: 12-01-2011 07:45 »

That whole scene where Anakin magically learns how to fly spaceships and destroys the trade federation's mother ship is bullshit.  Hell, the whole reason to visit Tattooine and find some magically force power boy was pretty dumb too.

* winna runs off to cry.
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« Reply #471 on: 12-01-2011 09:54 »
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No , you are actually right...

Even acepting some of the newest Lucas work , this new trilogy should had started in episode 2...

Anakin would had been what we all tought... a great Jedi Knight who was apreciated by his colleges (like Obi Wan said) but not a "mega-special" chosen one.

What made Luke special was that he was the last Jedi .... not being "the son of the chosen one".. he was the son of a suposed dead Jedi who then turned out to be a traitor who fell to the dark side... contributed to the extintion of practically all other Jedi and so the emperor had nobody to fight him on the force level until a new Jedi shows up..

the prequels only need to show Anakin as a Jedi and how and why he fell ... Lucas wasted 1/3 of them showing us a kid's movie with a stupid race and a lame Battle of Yavin/Battle of Endor ripoff/mix..

And as stated... Anakin ... a 9 year old kid? Padme... a 14 year old... queen?

What kind of mornic planet makes a 14 year old queen?

oh wait... i just renember:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_II_of_Spain

Still i maintain that point as that really didnt worked out well
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« Reply #472 on: 12-01-2011 10:31 »

She was elected in Star Wars, Isabella II took over as a regular monarch!

Isabella I was the best, though.
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« Reply #473 on: 12-01-2011 12:09 »

And she probably could put up more than one facial expresion while experimenting different emotions
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« Reply #474 on: 12-01-2011 12:15 »

And she probably did not say shit like 'I will not condone any action that will lead us to war' and then later condone such an action.
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« Reply #475 on: 12-01-2011 17:57 »

the other candidates must've been pretty shitty to get a 14 year old elected
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« Reply #476 on: 12-01-2011 18:15 »

Maybe the politcs are so messy on Naboo that your have to be 14 in order to not have some horrible scandal behind you.
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« Reply #477 on: 12-01-2011 18:33 »

Being 14, isn't it more likely she'll have a horrible scandal behind her?
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« Reply #478 on: 12-01-2011 18:41 »

Doesn't Naboo have a demarchy, and all the royalty serve for like a month?
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« Reply #479 on: 12-01-2011 21:09 »

Nothing wrong with young leaders. This is an entirely different culture, as well.
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