Star Wars: A New Thread

[Reply #360 on:]

In the rebellion's defense re: paying han's debt, I imagine their budget was a bit tight at that time. X-wings don't grow on trees, and rebuilding bases every few months 'cause the empire keeps destroying them isn't cheap either.

[Reply #361 on:]

So what became of that reward Han got in A New Hope?  He was paid and was on his way until he decided to help Luke and blow up the death star.  I did read the marvel comics of Star Wars and it was revealed that after the events of the movie, Han tried to go see Jabba, but he was robbed by space pirates, but I don't think it's in canon, since the comic series does have that scene where Han talks with Jabba in the movie, but Jabba is completely different then his slug appearance.  In Empire, I would assume he still had the money, since he said he'd have to be on his way, or else why visit Jabba empty handed. 

[Reply #362 on:]

Jabba was originally supposed to be a fat Irish guy.

[Reply #363 on:]

Maybe Han gave the money back to the Rebels and he was leaving to resume smuggling and Greedo-blasting to pay back his debt.

[Reply #364 on:]

I' still liking the idea that Han was bored of living on an ice-cube with no cigarettes, and was leaving in order to find a more civilised planet with a decent tobacconists.

In my mind, this is now canon.

[Reply #365 on:]

Nothing ever happened to the money. He never got a chance to repay Jabba.
He basically held on to the money for two years, then during ESB he was too busy hitting on Leia and running from the Empire. Then he was frozen before he got a chance. And when he thawed out, he attempts to repay Jabba saying, "I'll pay you triple! You're throwing away a fortune here! Don't be a fool!"

But then Jabba tells him it's too late and throws him in the sarlacc pit. 

[Reply #366 on:]

after watching Return of the Jedi, I've noticed a few things.  The rebels suck at the beginning.  They fail three times trying to save Han.  C3P) and R2D2 fail, Leia as the bounty hunter fail, Luke at Jabba's palace.  Also, if Leia had a thermal detenator, why not use it to get Han?  If she's bluffing, she still has everyone convinced, though I guess Jabba would've put up a bigger fight and she'd be founded out.

Also, why did Luke give r2d2 his lightsaber?  He could've used it at Jabba's Palace and it would've been useful against the Rancore.  Clearly, Luke was able to enter Jabba's palace w/o being checked, so why not have his light saber?  Was this all part of his plan?  Have the droids enter first, have Leia fail and become the slave girl and then kill the Rancore to make Jabba so mad to have they all taken to the Zaarlac pit.  How would Luke know that Jabba would have R2d2 placed on the sailing barge?  He'd basically be screwed if they left r2d2 back at the palace and he wouldn't get his lightsaber.  I never noticed how stretched out the first act was and you almost forget about the Empire.

don't get me wrong, I still love the original trilogy over the prequels, even though in Jedi the Empire loses to teddy bears.  Seriously teddy bears?  They beat droids, jedi, wookies and other armies, but lose to Ewoks?

[Reply #367 on:]

Yes, that was all a part of Luke's plan.  After Luke realizes that Leia is his sister in ESB, he also realizes that she will never return the love he has for her that he holds in his pants; further, he realizes that she'll just fall for the bad boy type anyways: Han.  So Luke devises a plan so cunning to leave Han frozen in carbonite forever, and see his sister whored out all at the same time.

[Reply #368 on:]

Yes, that was all a part of Luke's plan.  After Luke realizes that Leia is his sister in ESB, he also realizes that she will never return the love he has for her that he holds in his pants; further, he realizes that she'll just fall for the bad boy type anyways: Han.  So Luke devises a plan so cunning to leave Han frozen in carbonite forever, and see his sister whored out all at the same time.

Luke finds out he has sister after rescuing Han from Jabba, but that is hilarious

[Reply #369 on:]

It's actually specified as being "far far away" which means it definitely is supposed to be part of the same universe we live in. So the same scientific rules apply - so the physical reasons why a city planet cannot be sustained, or a forest moon for that matter, still apply.

To be slightly nerdy about it: G is still G (plus all the other constants).

True, but you don't know all the scientific properties of that Galaxy. It could be much different. I'm gonna stop here though..this should be in the Star Wars thread and is going waaay off topic.

Let's have this argument in the right place shall we? Line up one at a time to tell her why she's wrong, please.

[Reply #370 on:]

Actually, according to canon, the Force is confined to the Star Wars galaxy, so that's one thing science is going to have to take for the team.

* Xanfor runs.

[Reply #371 on:]

Actually, according to canon, the Force is confined to the Star Wars galaxy, so that's one thing science is going to have to take for the team.

* Xanfor runs.

Teehee.

Someone tell me what is the only creature in the Star Wars universe that can survive the vacuum of space.

[Reply #372 on:]

That worm in ESB. Man that's bugged me since I was 6.

PS: I liked the Force before it got boiled down to mini chloride ions.

[Reply #373 on:]

Mynocks or Neebrays or Space slugs?

[Reply #374 on:]

Mynocks or Neebrays or Space slugs?

Technically the Mynocks don't necessarily have to be able to survive the vacuum of space. Because Han, Leia and Chewie were all walking around in there too. Gravity and everything. I suppose when his mouth is closed everything is sealed.

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You didn't ask which has to, you asked which can. And Mynocks can.

[Reply #376 on:]

Someone tell me what is the only creature in the Star Wars universe that can survive the vacuum of space.

You're probably thinking of the Space Slug (Exogorth), but it's not the only one. Mynocks are able to survive in vacuum, too (they hitch rides on the outer hulls of spaceships). I'm purposefully ignoring the slew of EU creatures that have been mentioned or shown as being able to survive in vacuum.

[Reply #377 on:]

...EU creatures that have been...shown as being able to survive in vacuum.

Greeks?

[Reply #378 on:]

Not a financial vacuum, evidently.

[Reply #379 on:]

Blah. Let's not get into the EU.

That would be much too confusing.

[Reply #380 on:]

Blah. Let's not get into the EU.

That would be much too confusing.

I've been saying that since 1973. And I wasn't even born then.

[Reply #381 on:]

In the real life expanded universe, you used a time machine go back to 1973 to stop Yardstick from developing the technology to build a PEELer-seeking missle intended for TheMadCapper. I think we met up and watched Star Wars together while you were back there.

I'm not sure if any of that is considered canon, though.

[Reply #382 on:]

Mynocks or Neebrays or Space slugs?

Technically the Mynocks don't necessarily have to be able to survive the vacuum of space. Because Han, Leia and Chewie were all walking around in there too. Gravity and everything. I suppose when his mouth is closed everything is sealed.

Yes, imagine a place with gravity but no air.  How fucking weird is that?

[Reply #383 on:]

You want weird? How about a place with air but no gravity?

[Reply #384 on:]

This thread is in danger of being derailed by nerdrage against the prequels. Because certain people insist on making fangirlsquees over everything that sucks. So I'm going to repost my comments here, and link from there to this post so as to redirect the flow of the insanity. Possibly polarising the power coupling on the negativ axis whilst I'm at it.

Yeah, General Grievous is pretty bad ass.

He's obvious CGI, as well as complete overkill. It's not bad-ass it's... well, I just searched TVtropes for the most appropriate link here, but I had sixteen tabs open (half of them merely index pages that had a list of applicable subtropes) before I realised that Grievous is not only merely a compilation of several belief-steeeretching tropes but also something of a case of the writer trying too hard.

The villains in EI to EIII all suffer from the fact that they're not the Big Bad. They're not Palpatine, the Puppetmaster. They're just The Dragon, and to have one of those die in every film... it makes it seem too easy. There's a reason that the other films were so engaging, so epic. It's because Darth Vader got away at the end of EIV and EV. The Empire was still an enormous and unstoppable war machine, You knew there was still plenty of danger, action, heroism, etc. to come.

The only reason the villains exist in EI to EIII is to provide plot points to drive the journey of the main characters, and they're both one-dimensional and formulaic, plus they never last longer than the time it takes to motivate the main character.

That's why Grievous isn't nearly as badass as the concept of a cybernetically enhanced dark Jedi could have been.

I could grumble about the myriad fails and near-infinite suck factors present in the prequel trilogies all day, but I'll wrap it up for now.

General Grievous is not badass. He just wears the uniform.

[Reply #385 on:]

So I'm going to repost my comments here, and link from there to this post so as to redirect the flow of the insanity.

Count Dooku had the distinction to survive one of the prequels, but he was also not badass enough, and completely under-used. Better in Clone Wars though.

Plus he had a silly name.

Possibly polarising the power coupling on the negativ axis whilst I'm at it.

That one you can take to the Dr Who thread.

[Reply #386 on:]

I thought he wore a cape and not a uniform.

[Reply #387 on:]

Count Dooku survived more than one film. He's pretty cool I guess. Not enough of him in the films.
   The reason none of the villains in the prequels were that 'big' is because they couldn't be overpowering. You said it yourself, the Emperor is ultimate evil, and being the puppet master, he must be bigger and better than all the puppets. They are all sub par sith.
That's kinda the point during the prequel time period in the Old Republic. That's why Episode III is titled "Revenge of the Sith." Because it has been many, many years since the sith were powerful. Let's not forget they did not really begin their battle for power until they appeared in 32BBY, in The Phantom Menace.

If you watch the Clone Wars TV Series and read the books, there's a lot more going on. And it explains a lot of things. Especially involving Grievous. I will agree that ROTS did not give Grievous enough air time to develop his character completely. But he's pretty damn awesome in the Clone Wars.
And yes, he is also described as a "coward" in ROTS, "He will run and hide like he always does." Which is totally true. But that's part of his character, it's part of what makes him more of an organic being than a droid.

You should really read the ROTS Novel. It's fantastic. Much better than the film. Matthew Stover is a freaking genius.
And the book right after that one, Dark Lord:The Rise of Darth Vader is pretty awesome too. It's really interesting to see how everything falls into place with the creation of the empire. It's also sad to see how horribly the emperor treats Vader.

[Reply #388 on:]

I think Count Dooku is mainly cool due to him being portrayed by Christopher Lee.  He is great as deeper villain characters, such as Saruman or Dr Wonka, whom are not just evil.  I mean, General Grievous is just a 'bad guy'.  Hell, in Star Wars, I always got the feeling it was Lee's portrayal more than the writing that created one of the better character of the prequels.

Although, as El-Man pointed out, Count Dooku is completely underused in the prequels and moreover, a lot of his character doesn't make sense (from a storytelling perspective).

   The reason none of the villains in the prequels were that 'big' is because they couldn't be overpowering. You said it yourself, the Emperor is ultimate evil, and being the puppet master, he must be bigger and better than all the puppets. They are all sub par sith.

Ah, so in other words; should the prequels ever have been made?

[Reply #389 on:]

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/10/27/these-star-wars-and-gundam-dioramas-will-totally-blow-you-mind-gallery/sw6-3/

[Reply #390 on:]

Although, as El-Man pointed out, Count Dooku is completely underused in the prequels and moreover, a lot of his character doesn't make sense (from a storytelling perspective).

Dooku's ultimate purpose was to point out what happened to unsuitable (in that case: Too old) apprentices. He added imhO quite some depth to Sidious, showing him to sacrifice Dooku as soon as needed.

Btw...I am just in the mood to show off a little bit on the nerd scale:
On of my earlier models, the Executor.
http://www.phoxim.de/michael_heitz_executer/michael_heitz_executer.html
(Length 420cm, and it is signed by Dave Prowse/Darth Vader, Michael Sheard/Admiral Ozzel and Ken Colley/Captain/Admiral Piett )

[Reply #391 on:]

pics of spaceships

Those would be really cool models if they were finished and minus the "go-faster" stripes.

[Reply #392 on:]

Although, as El-Man pointed out, Count Dooku is completely underused in the prequels and moreover, a lot of his character doesn't make sense (from a storytelling perspective).

Dooku's ultimate purpose was to point out what happened to unsuitable (in that case: Too old) apprentices. He added imhO quite some depth to Sidious, showing him to sacrifice Dooku as soon as needed.

Btw...I am just in the mood to show off a little bit on the nerd scale:
On of my earlier models, the Executor.
http://www.phoxim.de/michael_heitz_executer/michael_heitz_executer.html
(Length 420cm, and it is signed by Dave Prowse/Darth Vader, Michael Sheard/Admiral Ozzel and Ken Colley/Captain/Admiral Piett )

Do you have an abandoned warehouse full of gigantic models?

[Reply #393 on:]

On of my earlier models, the Executor.

Score!

Very, very well done,  Hein.  Looking at some of incredibly detailed scratch-built models you posted before I was wondering whether you had an interest in studio work.  Question answered

[Reply #394 on:]

pics of spaceships

Those would be really cool models if they were finished and minus the "go-faster" stripes.

No way about leaving out the stripes. As every Warhammer 40K Orc Fan will know: "RED GOEZ FASTA!!!"

[Reply #395 on:]

Snap and a half on that Executor model!  That's one of my favorite spaceships and that model looks exquisite.

[Reply #396 on:]

They explain why Obi Wan can't interfere since he's a ghost.

"Maybe getting cut in half for no reason, you should not have been..."

Why does everyone say he allowed himself to get struck down so that Luke & Co. could escape? I don't see how freeing up Vader's attention could be advantageous to our guys.

...and then they had that whole retcon tirade about him being a "Form III master" and shit. Seems a little convenient.

[Reply #397 on:]

Darth Vader just became better.  He was practicing all of his shit on the entire galaxy while uncle ben hid in a sandhole. 

[Reply #398 on:]

I thought the idea was that Luke wouldn't have left without Ben, so he let himself get skewered so that Skywalker would get on the Falcon and leave.

[Reply #399 on:]

That's what I always figured. He couldn't beat Vader so he knew he wasn't going to escape either way and he chose the only option that would get Luke to leave.