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sparkybarky

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« Reply #520 on: 02-11-2013 17:20 »
« Last Edit on: 02-11-2013 17:23 »

Wow, Shut In, you made a lot of very insightful remarks in your posts! I've only seen TBwaBB once, probably because it just felt off-balance and out-of-sorts to me, since Fry wasn't pining after Leela. I don't even remember...I felt rather disengaged from it. I think I'll take another view again. Thanks for the great commentary.

Edit: TOTPD!

Eternium

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« Reply #521 on: 02-11-2013 18:34 »
« Last Edit on: 02-11-2013 18:42 »

If possible, produce said deleted scene.  Plzzzz  love
If you can tell me how, I'd love to upload it somewhere...

What happens in the scene:
-view of top of PE building- leela, Amy & Fry sitting in on the couch. Fry is not shaved and seems to be eating something like crunch/milk.



Amy: Just because Colleen wasn't made for you doesn't mean you won't find someone else...
-Like, there's this girl in my excersize class. She's a little plumb but she knows lots of rittems(?)
Fry: Noo...! I'll never be looking for love again! *throws his cup of the table and walks away*
Leela: Are you kidding?! Becky's immense!
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #522 on: 02-11-2013 18:36 »

If possible, produce said deleted scene.  Plzzzz  love

I couldn't track it down on YouTube, but it's on the dvd under 'Fry, Amy and Leela'. The animation isn't finished, but the voiceover is there and you can make out what's going on. (Amusingly, it looks like Fry is drowning his sorrows in a carton of milk. Goofball.)

The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #523 on: 02-11-2013 18:42 »

Wow, Shut In, you made a lot of very insightful remarks in your posts! I've only seen TBwaBB once, probably because it just felt off-balance and out-of-sorts to me, since Fry wasn't pining after Leela. I don't even remember...I felt rather disengaged from it. I think I'll take another view again. Thanks for the great commentary.

Edit: TOTPD!



I know what you mean - from a shipping perspective, the dvd movies can seem a bit weird. The first one is heavy on the Fry / Leela stuff (and for the first time from Leela's POV), but then Fry jumps to a new relationship. Then there's no ship stuff at all (in Bender's Game), before we reach ITWGY and find Leela declaring her love.

That said, I'm rewatching them right now, and it all does make a sort of sense, if you look at Bender's Big Score as Leela realizing her own feelings for Fry, and the next three films as her dealing with that.
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #524 on: 02-11-2013 18:46 »

If possible, produce said deleted scene.  Plzzzz  love
If you can tell me how, I'd love to upload it somewhere...

What happens in the scene:
-view of top of PE building- leela, Amy & Fry sitting in on the couch. Fry is not shaved and seems to be eating something like crunch/milk.



Amy: Just because Colleen wasn't made for you doesn't mean you won't find someone else...
-Like, there's this girl in my excersize class. She's a little plumb but she knows lots of rittems(?)
Fry: Noo...! I'll never be looking for love again! *throws his cup of the table and walks away*
Leela: Are you kidding?! Becky's immense!

It's riddles she knows loads of, I think. Which is funny, because if his Dial-a-Joke bill is anything to go by, Fry would be pretty into that.
HIGHasFRY

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« Reply #525 on: 02-11-2013 21:01 »

Leela looks very strange without some sort of lipstick on.
Eternium

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« Reply #526 on: 02-11-2013 22:16 »

And without lashes, especialy Amy...
Googzeez

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« Reply #527 on: 02-11-2013 22:34 »

Amy right now looks like Helga from Hey Arnold, amirite?
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #528 on: 02-11-2013 23:13 »

Leela looks very strange without some sort of lipstick on.

Yeah, it looks like she gave it to Fry.
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #529 on: 02-19-2013 04:32 »

Yep he proposes, just look at that big shiny rock!!!  big grin

sparkybarky

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« Reply #530 on: 02-19-2013 05:38 »

Aw, he looks cute in his jacket and tie with tennies.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #531 on: 02-19-2013 21:27 »
« Last Edit on: 02-19-2013 21:28 »

I wonder where Fry (?) got that ring from.
Getting it at a affordable rate/due to lucky circumstances might be a plot device.
Yet, one thing about Futurama strikes the eye: Despite being Below-Minimum-Wage-Employes, the characters do not face financial problems most of the time. E.g. in TLJF, Fry was able to invite Leela into a fancy (and probably rather expensive) place two times a day, he blew 3000 Dollars on the "Suicide that was not worth it" in "Overclockwise", they had rather expensive looking clothing for the classy Oktoberfest, etc...
To cut a long story short: For being mostly members of the "financial underclass", the characters end up in High Society quite often.

(Okay...this has basically nothing to do with any relationship, but I just felt the need to write it down).
Eternium

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« Reply #532 on: 02-19-2013 22:59 »
« Last Edit on: 02-19-2013 23:01 »

yeah, but they don't seem to age as well...

Besides from that, I really expected Fry(if that ring came from him) to give Leela a diamond scruncy(how'd you spell that?) like in the farnsworth parabox... I've also never seen her with a purple/pink-ish one to. But that could just be me, I don't seem to spot those little details a lot


I WANT LEELA'S BRAAAAAAAA
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #533 on: 02-19-2013 23:33 »


Besides from that, I really expected Fry(if that ring came from him)
* Inquisitor Hein does not really want to imagine the female fandoms reactions should the ring NOT come from Fry... wink
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #534 on: 02-20-2013 00:31 »

I wonder where Fry (?) got that ring from.
Getting it at a affordable rate/due to lucky circumstances might be a plot device.
Yet, one thing about Futurama strikes the eye: Despite being Below-Minimum-Wage-Employes, the characters do not face financial problems most of the time. E.g. in TLJF, Fry was able to invite Leela into a fancy (and probably rather expensive) place two times a day, he blew 3000 Dollars on the "Suicide that was not worth it" in "Overclockwise", they had rather expensive looking clothing for the classy Oktoberfest, etc...
To cut a long story short: For being mostly members of the "financial underclass", the characters end up in High Society quite often.

(Okay...this has basically nothing to do with any relationship, but I just felt the need to write it down).

I get the feeling the ring is a plot device - it's kind of ostentatious, and we know there's going to be an appearance by a retired superhero who owns a pawn shop (or something like that). Fry probably tries to get Leela an expensive ring but can't afford it and ends up getting something that has some sci-fi "catch" to it, like a curse. It might have uncontrollable powers, a bit like the Quantam Gemerald, and will very likely end up his downfall. That's just the way Fry's luck goes.

With regard to the crew and financial problems . . . I dunno. We know Amy is rich, and Bender steals anything in sight, so it's reasonable to assume Amy covers a trip to Mars Vegas, for example, and Bender pays for Fry to join the fox-hunting country club. Fry and Leela never seem well off. Fry's life savings once came up to about 300 dollars, didn't they? And Leela's apartment is as sparse as they come. I've always assumed Fry rented a tux whenever he had to go to some fancy-pants event, and that Leela had warning enough to save up for a dress. (She would have been planning Oktoberfest since July, for example.)

Their deliveries also seem kind of irregular, so the crew probably don't earn a steady salary. If Fry got paid all at once (for a high-risk delivery, say) that might explain why he's flush enough with cash to blow 3000 dollars on a suicide attempt. And he is definitely the type to blow his wages in a day and live on next to nothing til the next paycheck. I don't think he ever mastered responsible spending.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #535 on: 02-20-2013 01:14 »

The company always seems to struggle financially. I wonder what happened to the fortune they earned from selling Popplers?
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #536 on: 02-20-2013 02:58 »

Fry does seem to just spout money when it's needed.



I agree with what Shut In says, Fry tends to blow everything he has in the one go. At least he's not a catergory 5 loser
sparkybarky

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« Reply #537 on: 02-20-2013 03:53 »

* Inquisitor Hein does not really want to imagine the female fandoms reactions should the ring NOT come from Fry... wink

I wouldn't be surprised if the storyline consisted of her accepting someone else's proposal, and hence the bling bling ring that Fry couldn't afford, by legal or responsible means. Maybe her leaving him for another man is why he slapped her in "Overclockwise." I mean, it's not like I'd relish that possibility, mainly because she's left him before and if she did it again, it would just be old and tired.

Also, speaking of old, the threat of Fry dying has just lost its patina...he dies, he comes back to life because he was never really dead. So I'm not worried about the splatter (I wish the writers would stop using Fry's possible death as cliffhangers).
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #538 on: 02-20-2013 09:22 »
« Last Edit on: 02-20-2013 10:28 »


I wouldn't be surprised if the storyline consisted of her accepting someone else's proposal, and hence the bling bling ring that Fry couldn't afford, by legal or responsible means. Maybe her leaving him for another man is why he slapped her in "Overclockwise." I mean, it's not like I'd relish that possibility, mainly because she's left him before and if she did it again, it would just be old and tired.


Quite possible.
I would not mind such a plot, should the writers incorporate some overdue "Leela will face
consequences for error just like everyone else" for once.
E.g.
-  LLLs: As soon as it turned out Leela sent everyone to their deaths, two seconds later Nibbler pooped the fuel to the rescue.
- MB: As soon as Leela found out the whales agression was her fault, the rules were re-witten 2 seconds later. And except a half-hearted "I should have listened to my crew" (also  weakended by an immediate explanation how she strong-willed saved everyone else), nothing happend.
- "Overclockwise": She wanders off, picks up with her old life as she pleases, and Fry basically acted in the end as if HE did something wrong.

I stated before: The "let a character face the consequences of his/her actions" often is one of the most intereseting/funny parts of the plot. The "let's not make a big deal about it" (too often incorporated on Leela) deprives a plot of that essential part. So, to cut a long story short:
Should Leela accept someone else's proposal, that plot should feature some scenes of her being put in the doghouse by an angry Fry, instead of the doormat taking her back without saying a word the last scene.
 
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speaking of old, the threat of Fry dying has just lost its patina...he dies, he comes back to life because he was never really dead. So I'm not worried about the splatter (I wish the writers would stop using Fry's possible death as cliffhangers).

Due to the action related nature of sci fi, I guess the show cannot do with an occasional supposed death. Yet, I agree with you that such a death scene is often predictable, causing "Pfff....they won't die anyway" reactions. More suitable/interesting scenes might be "hopeless situations": E.g. characters surrounded by dozens of heavily armed enemies, a damaged ship falling towards a planet, etc.. . Sure we also know that they will get through somehow...yet, these scenes really scream out the related question "but HOW?".
sparkybarky

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« Reply #539 on: 02-20-2013 13:54 »


I wouldn't be surprised if the storyline consisted of her accepting someone else's proposal, and hence the bling bling ring that Fry couldn't afford, by legal or responsible means. Maybe her leaving him for another man is why he slapped her in "Overclockwise." I mean, it's not like I'd relish that possibility, mainly because she's left him before and if she did it again, it would just be old and tired.


I would not mind such a plot, should the writers incorporate some overdue "Leela will face
consequences for error just like everyone else" for once.

Oh, like all those times Bender gets his comeuppance for all the terrible and nasty things he's done to his friends and other people. Time and time again. smile Pssst: it's not just Leela!
AllEggsIn1Basket

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« Reply #540 on: 02-20-2013 19:17 »

Hmm, maybe Amy gave Leela the ring. She and Leela get fed up with being in relationships not going anywhere so they buy each other fancy engagement rings to prove a point to Kif and Fry. Not too plausible given that Kif and Amy have already been "married" once and he seems like the marrying type, but perhaps Amy's tired of waiting for him to man up and have an Earthican wedding. Heck, maybe Leela bought it for herself! My aunt once dated a guy who kept going around saying they were engaged when they weren't, so she got mad and bought herself an engagement ring. Sort of a "put your money where your mouth is" move. They broke up not long after that...
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #541 on: 02-20-2013 20:28 »
« Last Edit on: 02-20-2013 20:41 »

Considering how Fry chased after Leela, really not too plausible.
They used a similar plot in "Overclockwise", though,  with Leela being unhappy about their on/off relationship.
Yet, as the on/off thing was considered rather her fault, it just made her look like a complete selfish bitch.
And -should the writers wish to go for a happy end- getting Leela should be handled like a reward for Fry, not a punishment wink

Also, an interview mentioned that Fry will try to "win Leela for good" as major storyarc of season 7.
Of course, the "Not now, Leela.." gags could be seen as some kind of lazy behaviour, taking Leela for granted, who is unhappy about it.
Yet, after all those episodes/chases/deeds/sacrifices, I think Fry is entitled to take it a bit easier.
Otherwise, the writing would once again result in the bitchy Leela, who gives zero fucks about getting written an opera, bein reunited with her parents, Fry getting her out of the sewer, saving her live (often by sacrificing his), etc...

The series once has been there, hardly anyone really liked it, and I guess the writers know by know that there is not sense in flogging the dead horse anymore.
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #542 on: 02-26-2013 22:49 »
« Last Edit on: 02-26-2013 22:53 »

Considering how Fry chased after Leela, really not too plausible.
They used a similar plot in "Overclockwise", though,  with Leela being unhappy about their on/off relationship.
Yet, as the on/off thing was considered rather her fault, it just made her look like a complete selfish bitch.

Not really. The on / off thing was definitely her decision, but that made sense. (We all knew there was no way that was Fry's idea.) I wouldn't call it a bitch move though. Leela's uncertainty about her life was a theme running through the whole of season six. Her dissatisfaction hits breaking point in quite a few episodes. In TLPJF, she's had enough of Fry's lateness and wants him to put her first. (She was stood up on her birthday, so I think her anger here is pretty justifed.)

 In Lrreconcilable Ndndifferences, she takes on the breakdown of Lrr's marriage as something of a personal project. It's interesting in that what she's trying to do is to actually "fix" his behavior by force of her own personality, and to push him into making a commitment. Given that Leela doesn't give a crap about Lrr, you have to wonder why she cares. Unless, of course, she's playing out some issues of her own. Another interesting thing in that episode is that Leela downplays her feelings about his death to Fry. He doesn't see the meltdown she has over it, remember? When she next sees him she can't repress her fondness for him (the kiss on the cheek) but she's careful to qualify the ending of his comic as "good, not great". She completely freaked out when she thought he was dead, but she doesn't want him to know. She's obviously protecting one of their feelings here, but whether it's hers or his isn't so clear.

Then there's the Mobius Dick episode, where Leela develops an obsession with completing her delivery. The standard she's living up to here isn't the Professor's, the client's, or even the crew's - it's her own. She needs to complete this delivery, presumably to prove something to herself. She needs to prove she's good at her job and her job matters. But you don't need to prove something you already know, so it's obvious she feels some insecurity on this score. Her leaving the crew in Overclockwise just represents this insecurity coming to surface again.

The Mutants Are Revolting sees her double life as a sewer mutant finally blow up in her face. That it does so in tandem with her relationship with Fry is also pretty interesting. If you want to make a relationship work, you can't have lies beneath the surface. You can't be dishonest about who you are. In keeping up this on again / off again relationship with Fry and continually distancing herself from him, Leela is being dishonest about her own feelings. Until she opens up and commits one way or the other, she's never going to be happy. (After Overclockwise, she's noticeably easier in her relationship. Even her break-up with Fry in FoaB is more of a reprimand than a serious break-up.) Leela is furious at Fry for revealing her secret, but by the end of the episode she's secured equal rights and respect for her parents, and must be wondering why she didn't do it sooner. The only answer is that she was afraid to upset the status quo. Once she's confronted her fear and found the world didn't end, she starts moving tentatively back to Fry - "I think I could stomach that kiss now."

The on-off thing is her fault, but I think there's more going on than her being a bitch to Fry.

You also have to consider that Fry is not completely blameless either. He hasn't suddenly become more mature, and that was always a big problem of his. Leela complained about his immaturity in S4, and even Fry acknowledged it in BBS. He said something like "I know I'm immature, but someday I won't be", which pretty much sums up Fry's attitude. He thinks maturity is something that's just going to settle on him without any effort. AotKA was a test of his maturity, which he failed. TLPJF shows he's still struggling, though he is trying. Even by Overclockwise, you can still see what Leela means. She leaves him and he promptly decides to kill himself - but you get the sense he has no real clue what he's doing. He just does it on a whim, a stupid, crazy whim that nearly gets him killed, but which he shrugs off as just a waste of money. I think anyone would struggle sometimes, dating someone who thinks like that.


Of course, the "Not now, Leela.." gags could be seen as some kind of lazy behaviour, taking Leela for granted, who is unhappy about it.

I always saw that as Fry being clueless because he was so focused on something else. He probably hits himself about it later. Leela never seems that bothered about it either, so I doubt she's unhappy.

Otherwise, the writing would once again result in the bitchy Leela, who gives zero fucks about getting written an opera, bein reunited with her parents, Fry getting her out of the sewer, saving her live (often by sacrificing his), etc..

I think Leela gives quite a lot of fucks about that. She was the only one who stayed behind when the opera ended, for example. Fry couldn't even play properly anymore and she still wanted to hear it, so obviously what he was going to say meant something to her. Compare it with his original holophonor storyline, and it's even clearer. Leela was never sure, in Parasites Lost, how much of Fry's performance was genuine, and how much was just the worms being the best at everything in existence. In TDHAIP, she got her answer. The feelings were genuine, Fry just lacks the means to express them. That she stayed and listened - instead of letting him give up, which would have cut off that declaration of love pretty easily and spared her any awkwardness - shows that she considered the message worth listening to. Or maybe she wanted to hear it, even if she was too afraid to go with her feelings at that point. (She does later admit she waited "too long" to tell him she loved him. Interpret that how you will.)

I don't think Leela's feelings - or the strength of Fry's feelings for her - are in dispute. I think the problems in their relationship come more from Fry's immaturity and Leela's uncertainty and unwillingness to lose control, which are pretty entrenched in each of them and are going to take a long time to work themselves out.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #543 on: 03-05-2013 02:06 »
« Last Edit on: 03-05-2013 02:09 »

To be fair to Leela - Fry, lovable as he is, is not exactly a catch. Leela could do better, mutant though she be, and she's smart enough to know it. Although Fry can really be surprising at times. When he's really motivated - and usually the desire to win her is his primary motivation - he can be heroic, self-sacrificing, even brilliant. Although I've had my moments of doubt about the 'ship, I've always enjoyed how he can be frighteningly single-minded in his pursuit of her. At moments like that, he's nearly unstoppable. Leela doesn't give in so much as she tries to get out of his way.

A "will-they-won't-they" relationship like that is always tricky to write, much less resolve. I applaud the Futurama writing staff for being so creative with it.
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #544 on: 03-05-2013 02:30 »

To be fair to Leela - Fry, lovable as he is, is not exactly a catch. Leela could do better, mutant though she be, and she's smart enough to know it.

Zapp
Alcazar
Adlai
Chaz
Sean

"Better" is not always best as it turns out.

(Lars is Fry, so technically doesn't count wink )
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #545 on: 03-07-2013 00:10 »

Tastes Like Fry : Leela has a real knack for dating scuzzballs, doesn't she?  laff

I think it's subconscious. They say we accept the love we think we deserve, and Leela is pretty confident outwardly, but if you go by her dating history, it's clear there's a lot of insecurity under the surface. Not only does she date douchebags, but she puts up with or blinds herself to the more unpleasant aspects of their personalities, until she's forced to acknowledge them.

Sean : Cheater. Leela once described this break-up as "mutual" (in a way that made it sound anything but), but we also know he cheated on her, and she found the evidence. It sounds like she was lonely enough though that part of her wanted him to stay.

Married Cryogenics Boss : Married, but Leela didn't know it and asked him out. Pretty humiliating, but apparently not humiliating enough to make her leave her dead-end job.

(Yet she met Fry and quit the same afternoon. For someone she had no romantic interest in, he had a hell of an effect on her.)

Zapp : Pity sex she still hasn't managed to live down. And probably never will.  big grin

Alcazar : Deceived her into believing he was a cyclops, but also treated her like crap, and Leela tolerated it. Her only respite in this awful relationship were the brutally honest conversations she had with Fry, and it took Fry (again) to galvanize her into an action which was long-overdue - ie, dumping Al's crickety green ass.

Adlai : Probably the most blatant of Leela's insecurities. Adlai was the blandest man in existence, incapable of feeling any real passion for her and passively intent on changing her - but the lure of being normal overrode all that for Leela. Fry is the only one to fight for the old Leela, and he acts as her conscience here, pulling to light the things she doesn't want to see even as she tries her best to ignore him. She does a good job of it throughout the episode, but in the end he's physically locked away from her and gives up trying to argue. When he stops trying to talk her round, though, she seems to feel his absence and her own conscience finally resurfaces, and shows her herself in the orphan Sally.

Chaz : An egotistic jerk. Chaz is just as into big showy gestures as Fry, but there's one crucial difference - his gestures lack any heart. They mean nothing, and it's interesting that even when she's being bedazzled by it, Leela can't help comparing him to Fry. Chaz buys out the whole ice rink to take her skating, but Fry once queued for hours just to get tickets. Of all the losers she's dated during the show's run, Leela dumps Chaz the quickest. This time she doesn't let the relationship go further than a bad date, because she's learned that what she wants is to be happy. She's no longer willing to compromise on that, and though Chaz is all charm to her, she now recognizes a slimeball when she sees one.

Leela treats Fry badly in this episode, but when he walks in at the end and unassumingly hands her the flower ("I guess I got this for you") he proves he's still hopelessly in love with her, and she's relieved (or tired) enough to let her defences down and admit he makes her happy. The kind of happy Fry makes her seems to be in its own separate category, however - probably because it's actually a romantic happiness. Leela doesn't say it outright, and might not even acknowledge it herself at that stage, but she clearly does set Fry apart from other people. If she was just happy to see her friends, Bender would be included in this moment - but he's not. He's notably excluded from it. Leela has her head on Fry's shoulder - which is unusually vulnerable body-language, for Leela - and she's turned into him. Even before she kisses him she's making a 'bubble' of just the two of them. (Interestingly, we don't actually see or hear Bender leave this scene. He can't walk out the room or go sit on the couch without crossing the frame at some point, but he doesn't - so presumably he's still standing there! The zoom in on Fry and Leela acts as visual story-telling, narrowing the focus so that you see what they see, and don't see what they've forgotten about. This is carried on until the final moment, when Fry's "Yes!" plays over a black screen. It stands alone because it's Fry's sole focus - to him, nothing matters more than that feeling. He literally sees nothing else. Whether it's in the script or the director's decision, it's a neat moment.)

By the way, nice post CookiesOnTheFloor!
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #546 on: 03-07-2013 00:47 »

Don't forget about good ol' Doug from the cold opening of LLLIS. I always find that scene interesting because it essentially proves how much of a blatant hypocrite Leela can be.

"It's nice to finally meet somebody open-minded."

*Doug pokes out lizard tongue*

"Ewwwww!"
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #547 on: 03-07-2013 01:26 »

 laff

I had forgotten him! Hmm. Was that guy a mutant? That would be amusing.

Also interesting, now I think on it,  is that Leela really doesn't seem to identify as a mutant. She's embraced their community but has never been attracted to any of her own "people", as far as I recall. (Actually the opposite, if her reaction in The Mutants Are Revolting is anything to go by.)

Another thing I'd forgotten :

Both Leela and Amy have NO gaydar.  wink

Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #548 on: 03-07-2013 01:52 »

That was an analysis and a half! I was going to but couldn't be bothered xD I think I have lazyitis.

The only other 'mutant' she can identify with is Sally (as you mentioned earlier). But then again both Leela and Sally grew up on the suface.

For some reason 'gaydar' reminded me of this:
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                                     FRY
                         I know Big Vinnie said he was giving
                         me the kiss of death but I still think
                         he was gay.
 
               
                                     LEELA
                         Did he use his tongue?

               
                                     FRY
                         A little.

And just because I haven't posted a pic in a while...

UnrealLegend

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« Reply #549 on: 03-07-2013 02:15 »

It looks like Fry wants a fist-bump. smile
Anna3000

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« Reply #550 on: 03-08-2013 02:16 »

Completely agree with what CookiesOnTheFloor and The Sophisticated Shut In said above.

To add on to their posts, I feel that people are way too hard on Leela pretty frequently. I'm sure many others have said it before me, and probably much more eloquently, but Fry is not always the sweet, great guy the audience knows him to be at heart. He has been downright sleazy in the past, and since Leela has horrible fears of abandonment due to her past, her hesitation to fully commit to him could be attributed to a lingering fear that he will get tired of her once he fully has her.

Also, since Futurama is told primarily through Fry's eyes, and I get the impression there are more male viewers than female, many fans may often only consider things through Fry's point of view.
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #551 on: 03-08-2013 03:01 »

Tasty : Big Vinnie was from a dimension that's big on musical theater.  flirt

Yeah, that was a big post. Fun though!

Unreal Legend :

"Mr Bender, will you high-five him please, so we can return to the meeting? And on the rebound . . .?"

Anna3000 : Agreed. To be honest, I didn't expect there to be as much Leela-hate as there is in the Futurama fandom. It's cooled down a bit since 7a aired, but during season six it seemed like Leela could do no right for many fans. I think a lot of people were annoyed she didn't jump immediately into Fry's arms, but honestly, I thought her attitude to the relationship was realistic.

Leela is generally cautious and sensible, and would want to examine such a life-changing relationship before she commits to it. The only way she can do that with any integrity is to keep Fry at arm's length while she susses out her feelings and his ability to maintain a relationship. That's completely in character. The only flaw in the plan is that her life is so bound up with Fry's that it's impossible for her to truly step back from him. She tries to keep her distance but she's around him all the time, and if she does love him (which I believe she does) then it must be a hard resolution to stick to.

This, in my opinion, is what leads to her actions in Overclockwise. She needs space to work out her feelings - and what she finds is that she can't let go of Fry. Even when she takes the step of physically leaving him ("It's time for me to leave, and make a fresh start") she finds herself unable to leave him behind emotionally. ("I keep thinking about this place. And things." "Things like me, or things like this badminton racket?" "You, Fry.")

She knows she has to commit after that, because she'll never be at ease until she does. Giving herself up to the unknown obviously scares the hell out of her though, which is why she desperately asks what it would be like if she and Fry were together, and visibly relaxes when she learns that it all pans out okay.

Personally I love Leela's character, but I think she's widely misunderstood.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #552 on: 03-08-2013 03:33 »

It's cooled down a bit since 7a aired, but during season six it seemed like Leela could do no right for many fans.
I think it's because she seemed to do a lot of complaining in Season 6. In 7 she seems to be much more relaxed, and thus more likable.
pumpkinpie

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« Reply #553 on: 03-08-2013 04:45 »

I love Leela, but I will agree she has her bad sides. And that's what I like. It makes her seem more real, more than just a drawing on a screen.
Anna3000

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« Reply #554 on: 03-08-2013 04:52 »

I never even really got the impression she complained too much in Season 6. She does seem much more comfortable with her and Fry's relationship in Season 7, but like The Sophisticated Shut In said, she just wanted to think carefully before fully devoting herself to a relationship with Fry.

I still don't quite understand the outright animosity many felt/feel towards her, however. I can understand being mystified at her hesitation with Fry because we don't often get a good look into her mind, but I can't ever recall her being actively nasty to him in Season 6 or deserving of hatred. In fact, even in episodes not focused on their relationship, I thought they still seemed like good friends.

Benderino

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« Reply #555 on: 03-08-2013 21:02 »

Season 5 really went back on the revalation at the end of film 4 but I think season 6  was I bit better with it
Anna3000

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« Reply #556 on: 03-08-2013 22:42 »

Benderino, you mean Season Six went back on the end of Into the Wild Green Yonder, and Season 7 was more consistent with it, right? The end of ITWGY is the end of Season 5.
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #557 on: 03-08-2013 23:52 »

That was an analysis and a half! I was going to but couldn't be bothered xD I think I have lazyitis.

And just because I haven't posted a pic in a while...



This has probably been said before, but hands are a recurring thing with Fry and Leela. The most obvious example I can think of is A Farewell To Arms - where Fry's repeated "take my hand" gestures propel the plot from bad to worse -  but as a theme, it's been present since day one.

- Space Pilot 3000. The whole reason Leela is chasing Fry here is to stick a career chip in his hand, but when he gives up, she surprises him by removing her own chip. They then share a tender moment when she puts her hand in his. (Then Bender joins in and steals her ring. Haha.)

- Xmas Story. Oh boy, this one is full of it. First Fry falls off a building chasing that parrot, and Leela catches him by the hands. (Which prompts the rather cute response "I am gonna buy you so many lizards!" from Fry.) Then there's the infamous "lonely together" scene where the two walk down the street hand in hand.

- In the same episode there's the almost-kiss they share under the mistletoe, which establishes another pattern, of Fry and Leela reaching for each other every time they kiss / almost kiss. It's a nice visual, because it combines their hesitation with the idea that each of them is alone in the universe and searching for something they think the other can provide. It shows up A Flight To Remember, Xmas Story, and even way later in Fun On A Bun. In every big kiss moment between the two,  their hands reach out unconsciously toward each other. It's interesting because it comes up again and again, and Fry and Leela are the only two characters who kiss like this. (That I can recall, anyway.)

- Parasites Lost. The act which makes Fry's heart beat faster is holding Leela's hand. When he confesses his feelings to her, he reaches out across the table for her hand. At one point Leela is drawing patterns on the table-top and Fry takes her hand, which makes their budding relationship apparent to the crew. Leela takes his hand to lead him into the bedroom. Later on, when Fry attacks his own brain to get rid of the worms, one of the first things to go is "hand-eye co-ordination".

- Less Than Hero. When Fry convinces Leela to become a superhero, he holds her hand as he tells her "you'll barely regret this".

-Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles. When Leela chooses to stay a teenager with her parents, the young Fry takes her hand when he tells her he'll miss her. Later, when Leela dives into the Fountain of Aging to save the crew, it's Fry's hand she catches.

- War Is The H-Word. When Leela (disguised) helps Fry into the hovercopter, they keep holding hands, long enough for Zapp to believe they are each other's "significant soldier". This is definitely unconscious on Fry's part, because he had no idea who Leela is. He is, however, completely comfortable holding "Lee Lemon"'s hand.

- Love and Rocket. The pair reach out to hold hands on the balcony, but are interrupted by Zoidberg. Leela seems content enough in this moment to even include Zoidberg in a hug. Unusual because she hates Zoidberg.

- The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings. The central plot of this one is Fry's hands, which can't keep up with the music in his head - music he knows could express his feelings for Leela better than his words ever could. So he takes the drastic step of cutting them off. Later, when Leela hears him playing, she's touched and reaches for his hand . . . but recoils when she realizes it's not the hand she knows. Even later, the robot devil tricks her into signing over her hand in marriage.

- Into The Wild Green Yonder. Before she kisses him, Leela takes his hand.

- A Farewell to Arms. Uh, pretty much everything in this episode, right up to the final shot of their interlinked hands floating in space. My science might be a little fuzzy here, but I took it that they'd effectively float forever, because they won't decay in the vacuum of space - which is the ultimate symbol of the enduring bond between Fry and Leela.

I probably missed out one or two examples here, but you get the point anyway. There's a whole lotta hands!
Anna3000

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« Reply #558 on: 03-09-2013 02:54 »

Wow, I never noticed that before. I am completely impressed with the level of meaning you found in seemingly small details!

I think the hands theme really fits Leela and Fry's relationship in a way. The "holding hands and reaching towards one another" seems like an innocent sort of thing; even though they've both had past (bad) relationships, the way they are with each other is something entirely new and pure, in my opinion. I feel like the subconsciously-reaching-for-one-another is particularly connected to the tentative way Leela approaches their relationship and how she slowly begins to trust Fry more and more as he proves himself to her. She's reaching out and opening up to him since she inwardly yearns to be with him, but for most of the series until Season 7, she can't fully accept these feelings in herself or show Fry how she feels about him.

Sorry if that made zero sense, I am not particularly good at articulating my thoughts.
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« Reply #559 on: 03-09-2013 15:26 »

Benderino, you mean Season Six went back on the end of Into the Wild Green Yonder, and Season 7 was more consistent with it, right? The end of ITWGY is the end of Season 5.
yeah that's what I meant, thanks anna3000.
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