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« Reply #160 on: 03-17-2015 17:21 »

I wish Matt Groening would try using The Simpsons as a bribing tool with Fox.

"Hey, I'll get the wheels rolling with a second Simpsons movie so long as you bankroll a Futurama movie first" - something like that. I'm sure he could get Al Jean to play ball.
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« Reply #161 on: 03-17-2015 17:59 »
« Last Edit on: 03-17-2015 18:47 by TheMadCapper »

I wish Matt Groening would try using The Simpsons as a bribing tool with Fox.

If he promised them a Simpsons trilogy in exchange for a single Futurama movie, they'd probably insist that the trilogy be made first, and that the Futurama movie be made on what was left of their budgets after their completion and aggressive marketing campaign.

Y'know, because they're Fox.

I'd really like to see Futurama episodes with a new cast.

Your idea is bad, and you should feel bad.
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« Reply #162 on: 03-17-2015 18:12 »

I really like the show's voice actors, but I'd really like to see Futurama episodes with a new cast. (Not necessarily voice-over veterans.) If re-casting is what it takes to revive the show, of course. And with new writers and even new showrunners. (In case the original ones are tired, or don't want the show to continue because they liked the way the second run ended. (Which is no reason to want to keep the show dead.)) [1]

I know you like money, but come on, Disney! Just buy Futurama!

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[1] → Not a reference to Star Wars getting post-Clone Wars movies. (Although the second paragraph is.)
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« Reply #163 on: 03-17-2015 18:14 »

So, Sanfazer and DarthLCP are two accounts who share a single user (based on Darth deleting his content of his original post and then Sanfazer posting the exact same text). Some moderator might want to take notice of that and ban one of them.
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« Reply #164 on: 03-17-2015 18:14 »

We need one of these.
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« Reply #165 on: 03-17-2015 18:18 »

So, Sanfazer and DarthLCP are two accounts who share a single user (based on Darth deleting his content of his original post and then Sanfazer posting the exact same text). Some moderator might want to take notice of that and ban one of them.
If I continue using both, then yes. But I ain't gonna. ^^
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« Reply #166 on: 03-17-2015 18:22 »

We need one of these.

Yep, nobody has ever tried a Futurama petition befo... ... ...oh. Oh. It looks like PEEL and the internet in general have tried several at different times, and none of them coincided with any of the show's revivals.
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« Reply #167 on: 03-17-2015 18:24 »
« Last Edit on: 03-17-2015 18:46 by TheMadCapper »

We need one of these.

Yep, nobody has ever tried a Futurama petition befo... ... ...oh. Oh. It looks like PEEL and the internet in general have tried several at different times, and none of them coincided with any of the show's revivals.
But we *do* need one of these.

(I meant one with this many signatures.)
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« Reply #168 on: 03-17-2015 18:29 »

But we *do* need one of these.

I know I don't. You might think you do, in which case you should create one. But don't expect a thread for it to stay open very long, since we have a dozen or so of those already.

(I meant one with this many signatures.)

I'll tell you what else we don't need: an edit button. Seeing as how we already have one. With which you could have edited your post rather than quoting yourself.

Have you sat down and read through the manual yet? This might be of particular help.
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« Reply #169 on: 03-17-2015 18:36 »
« Last Edit on: 03-17-2015 18:45 by TheMadCapper »

But we *do* need one of these.

I know I don't. You might think you do, in which case you should create one. But don't expect a thread for it to stay open very long, since we have a dozen or so of those already.

(I meant one with this many signatures.)

I'll tell you what else we don't need: an edit button. Seeing as how we already have one. With which you could have edited your post rather than quoting yourself.

Have you sat down and read through the manual yet? This might be of particular help.
I meant fans who want the show to come back.

Oh. Sorry about that. I understand double posting is :(ed upon. *clicks second link* Yup; that's what it says there.

(I'm too lazy to figure out how to create a petition. But I *would* like it if despite me not creating one Futurama still came back. I feel that as a viewer I have the right to expect to be handed things without working for them. But that's just me.) [hint?]
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« Reply #170 on: 03-17-2015 18:43 »
« Last Edit on: 03-17-2015 18:50 »

Read the past several posts about a possible revival of the show before you entered the thread, consider that this is a forum for some of Futurama's biggest fans, and then reconsider whether a petition would truly gather enough signatures to make a difference (especially considering that petitions that gather hundreds of thousands of signatures regularly make no difference anyway).

Also, double posting after explaining that you realize you shouldn't double post = shitty, obvious, unclever troll. I have reported you to the moderators.
Edit: TMC just edited his double post into his first post above. His first post was the one that contained the bit about the double posting...the last paragraph was the only thing in his second post.

Remember when this board used to have trolls that were actually clever and not totally obvious about being a troll? I guess we still have Cudry.
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« Reply #171 on: 03-17-2015 18:45 »

I meant fans who want the show to come back.

Look, I understand where your enthusiasm comes from, but the fact of the matter is that a petition is unlikely to be helpful (and in the past hundreds of thousands of signatures have been collected to support Futurama being renewed. It didn't happen).

What brought Futurama back for DVD movies was strong DVD sales fuelled by a dedicated fanbase. Money talks. Signatures aren't something that studio executives can spend.

You can be a fan, and you can want the show to come back (at least for a theatrical release), without thinking that a petition will do any good whatsoever. I mean, it hasn't the previous several times it's been tried.

Besides which, why on Earth would you want the show to come back for another season when the final seasons were so badly hit-and-miss? It's clear that the writing staff lost their groove and the creative controllers lost their direction somewhat. Would you really want Futurama to be the next Simpsons in terms of running quickly out of ideas and lurching from one idiotically contrived hash of a plot to the next with little to no semblance of continuity between them?

Wait. You probably would. no no

Futurama died a dignified death. I say let it rest in peace, rather than raping the corpse. I say this because I enjoyed Futurama and have no wish to see it come back as something which is no longer enjoyable. Even if your petition worked (and it wouldn't), Futurama just wouldn't reach the heights of the original run (and that handful of the new run which were on the same level).
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« Reply #172 on: 03-17-2015 18:47 »

Read the past several posts about a possible revival of the show before you entered the thread, consider that this is a forum for some of Futurama's biggest fans, and then reconsider whether a petition would truly gather enough signatures to make a difference (especially considering that petitions that gather hundreds of thousands of signatures regularly make no difference anyway).

Also, double posting after explaining that you realize you shouldn't double post = shitty, obvious, unclever troll. I have reported you to the moderators.
Oh, my god. Sorry. I'm just not used to posting in forums.
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« Reply #173 on: 03-17-2015 18:48 »

Hi everybody!

I edited some stuff to clear the double-posts.

Bye everybody!
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« Reply #174 on: 03-17-2015 18:54 »

Remember when this board used to have trolls that were actually clever and not totally obvious about being a troll? I guess we still have Cudry.

You'll ALWAYS have Cudry!

...oh. I see.
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« Reply #175 on: 03-17-2015 18:57 »

I meant fans who want the show to come back.

Look, I understand where your enthusiasm comes from, but the fact of the matter is that a petition is unlikely to be helpful (and in the past hundreds of thousands of signatures have been collected to support Futurama being renewed. It didn't happen).

What brought Futurama back for DVD movies was strong DVD sales fuelled by a dedicated fanbase. Money talks. Signatures aren't something that studio executives can spend.
I understand that, but a petition with enough signatures will always bring a show back. Even if it has to be a petition with seven billion signatures.

I meant fans who want the show to come back.

Futurama died a dignified death. I say let it rest in peace, rather than raping the corpse. I say this because I enjoyed Futurama and have no wish to see it come back as something which is no longer enjoyable. Even if your petition worked (and it wouldn't), Futurama just wouldn't reach the heights of the original run (and that handful of the new run which were on the same level).
I can sympathize with your point of view, but I really don't think that preventing new content because you don't want to ruin the previous content makes sense.
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« Reply #176 on: 03-17-2015 19:12 »

I understand that, but a petition with enough signatures will always bring a show back. Even if it has to be a petition with seven billion signatures.

When "enough" signatures is roughly equal to the total population of the planet, a petition is probably going to be unnecessary, if you think about it.

A petition with hundreds of thousands of signatures proved not to be "enough" on more than one occasion to convince Fox to order more Futurama. I think that speaks volumes about how grossly ineffective such an effort is.

Besides, you've already said that you're too lazy to make it, so I don't see why you're still pushing the idea. It's something which will have no effect if it's done, something that you don't want to do, and something that's been tried several times already. Any one of those by themselves should be enough to demonstrate that harping on about it is about as useful as sincerely urging a sinking ship to try harder to stay afloat.

I can sympathize with your point of view, but I really don't think that preventing new content because you don't want to ruin the previous content makes sense.

That's the attitude that got the fourth Indiana Jones movie greenlit, and was the driving force behind the Star Wars prequels. That's the attitude that ensured Terminator 3 was cheap and lazy (and the beginning of the death of the franchise). That's the attitude which has been behind the death of every media franchise tarnished by poor sequels or by shitty, lazy, formulaic writing for the sake of another season or two of cashing in.

Would you add to the Mona Lisa? Do you feel that perhaps she needs a mustache to complete her? Are you thinking that The Last Supper could benefit from the cheeky addition of one of Jesus' disciples resting his genitalia on the table? When you get to a certain point, a story is told or a work of art is completed, and to add more purely for the sake of it is to detract something from the work as a whole.

Remember when this board used to have trolls that were actually clever and not totally obvious about being a troll? I guess we still have Cudry.
You'll ALWAYS have Cudry!

Damn. That's a shame.
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« Reply #177 on: 03-17-2015 19:12 »
« Last Edit on: 03-17-2015 19:16 »

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I can sympathize with your point of view, but I really don't think that preventing new content because you don't want to ruin the previous content makes sense.

Much sense, this one makes. Hmmm.
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Edit - now now, tnuk. Sometimes new chapters are worthy additions to established franchises. There are new superhero movies for example, that are extremely popular despite featuring older characters. Just because some new content sucks doesn't mean all of it will suck.
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« Reply #178 on: 03-17-2015 19:25 »

I understand that, but a petition with enough signatures will always bring a show back. Even if it has to be a petition with seven billion signatures.

When "enough" signatures is roughly equal to the total population of the planet, a petition is probably going to be unnecessary, if you think about it.

A petition with hundreds of thousands of signatures proved not to be "enough" on more than one occasion to convince Fox to order more Futurama. I think that speaks volumes about how grossly ineffective such an effort is.

Besides, you've already said that you're too lazy to make it, so I don't see why you're still pushing the idea. It's something which will have no effect if it's done, something that you don't want to do, and something that's been tried several times already. Any one of those by themselves should be enough to demonstrate that harping on about it is about as useful as sincerely urging a sinking ship to try harder to stay afloat.

I can sympathize with your point of view, but I really don't think that preventing new content because you don't want to ruin the previous content makes sense.

That's the attitude that got the fourth Indiana Jones movie greenlit, and was the driving force behind the Star Wars prequels. That's the attitude that ensured Terminator 3 was cheap and lazy (and the beginning of the death of the franchise). That's the attitude which has been behind the death of every media franchise tarnished by poor sequels or by shitty, lazy, formulaic writing for the sake of another season or two of cashing in.

Would you add to the Mona Lisa? Do you feel that perhaps she needs a mustache to complete her? Are you thinking that The Last Supper could benefit from the cheeky addition of one of Jesus' disciples resting his genitalia on the table? When you get to a certain point, a story is told or a work of art is completed, and to add more purely for the sake of it is to detract something from the work as a whole.

Remember when this board used to have trolls that were actually clever and not totally obvious about being a troll? I guess we still have Cudry.
You'll ALWAYS have Cudry!

Damn. That's a shame.
You get my point. smile

Oh. I didn't know that. (But it'd be cool if one did.)

I'm not. I'm just responding to your arguments.

I know how this sounds, but people can just not watch the later installments.

I myself wouldn't compare a T.V. series to a painting. It's just not the same thing.
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« Reply #179 on: 03-17-2015 19:28 »
« Last Edit on: 03-17-2015 19:30 by totalnerduk »

You get my point. smile

I get that you think you had/made one, yes.

Sometimes new chapters are worthy additions to established franchises. There are new superhero movies for example, that are extremely popular despite featuring older characters. Just because some new content sucks doesn't mean all of it will suck.

I'm just judging by the track record that Futurama has. It came back, went downhill ever so slightly, came back again, had a three or four crowning glories, and then went all to shit faster than I would have thought possible. This doesn't give me a great deal of hope for any revival or continuation telling a story worth listening to.

But perhaps I'm just a miserable green trashcan-dwelling puppet. I guess we'll probably never have another series of Futurama, so we won't know whether I'm being needlessly pessimistic or not.
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« Reply #180 on: 03-17-2015 19:35 »

I'm just judging by the track record that Futurama has. It came back, went downhill ever so slightly, came back again, had a three or four crowning glories, and then went all to shit faster than I would have thought possible. This doesn't give me a great deal of hope for any revival or continuation telling a story worth listening to.

You'll never know if it would have sucked if it never gets made.
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« Reply #181 on: 03-17-2015 19:37 »
« Last Edit on: 03-17-2015 19:59 »

The most recent seasons have been (by most people's reckoning) hit or miss and not consistently as good as the original run but a few of those new episodes are among my favorites. If the Futurama creators had declined to make the last couple of seasons, we would have missed out on some really good episodes. The good ones you can rewatch and enjoy over the years. The stinkers you don't have to.

As for the idea of a petition bringing Futurama back now, I find that doubtful. The show keeps getting canceled because though people like it, it's not putting enough asses in seats when it airs. Any commercially viable resurrection of Futurama is going to require a major change in how the fans consume (and pay for) the show, not just a bunch of bored people clicking on a petition that doesn't have any fresh answers.

Edit - and come to think of it, the movies WERE a different approach to making money from the show when the broadcast-based business model wasn't working. Even now though, people are consuming media differently than they were seven years ago when Bender's Big Score was released.
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« Reply #182 on: 03-17-2015 19:51 »

The good ones you can rewatch and enjoy over the years. The stinkers you don't have to.

I'd rather that the absolute trash didn't form part of the established canon and continuity of the show though. That taints the whole of it somewhat.
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« Reply #183 on: 03-17-2015 20:15 »

It's just a matter of pretending the new stuff doesn't exist. And letting others be glad it does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyftjT_SJfA
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« Reply #184 on: 03-17-2015 20:29 »

It's just a matter of pretending the new stuff doesn't exist.

Wilful ignorance is something which I try to avoid. You can't pretend something doesn't exist, just because you don't like it. Well, you can. But it's still out there. Waiting.

Wilful ignorance is a pretty dumb state in which to live your life, and I'd much rather be aware of things I don't necessarily agree with. I don't have to like them though, and I'm sure as hell going to be set against them being drawn into existence when there's no real need.

In that way, I view a continuation of Futurama on TV in the same manner as I view things like children and puppies. It would be entirely preferable to prevent them taking up space than it would to allow them to do so and then need to ignore them.
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« Reply #185 on: 03-17-2015 20:35 »

It's just a matter of pretending the new stuff doesn't exist.

Wilful ignorance is something which I try to avoid. You can't pretend something doesn't exist, just because you don't like it. Well, you can. But it's still out there. Waiting.

Wilful ignorance is a pretty dumb state in which to live your life, and I'd much rather be aware of things I don't necessarily agree with. I don't have to like them though, and I'm sure as hell going to be set against them being drawn into existence when there's no real need.

In that way, I view a continuation of Futurama on TV in the same manner as I view things like children and puppies. It would be entirely preferable to prevent them taking up space than it would to allow them to do so and then need to ignore them.
*I hope* you get my point. smile
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« Reply #186 on: 03-17-2015 20:48 »

I know what you're trying to say, and I contend that you are wrong, your so-called "point" is entirely without merit, and that the sooner you are cast into a volcano, the better.
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« Reply #187 on: 03-17-2015 21:26 »

I know what you're trying to say, and I contend that you are wrong, your so-called "point" is entirely without merit, and that the sooner you are cast into a volcano, the better.
I shall move to Mustafar, then. I mean "I must jump from afar, then". I mean "I mustache to leave". I see my efforts to move the revival discussion forward have not been appreciated. And I'll take my "bring back Futurama" talk elsewhere. (My toilet, because at least there no one disagrees with me. (No. Seriously. I'll actually *throw it* in my toilet. (But I can always be reached on my new 2015 bathroom shellphone to talk about juice.)))
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« Reply #188 on: 03-17-2015 21:36 »

I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took a tnuk to the knee.

Also, as an extension of my thoughts on why a petition is likely to be ineffectual... I wonder what kind of results might be had if Futurama launched a patreon/gofundme/kickstarter/what-have-you. Petitions are powered by vague sentiment. The other crowd-support schemes involve people actually putting their money where their mouths are. After all, plenty of good webcomics, marketable inventions, and so on are supported by large numbers of individual donors these days.

In fact, getting people to donate via things like patreon may be a savvy business tactic. Most patreon/kickstarter rewards I've seen don't involve paying out a share of the eventual windfall if the product hits the big time. No, you just depend on the investors' love of the idea and attraction to whatever (non-monetary) incentives you can devise, and then rake in the money hand over fist if your idea hits the big time.
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« Reply #189 on: 03-17-2015 22:10 »

I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took a tnuk to the knee.
lol

Also, as an extension of my thoughts on why a petition is likely to be ineffectual... I wonder what kind of results might be had if Futurama launched a patreon/gofundme/kickstarter/what-have-you. Petitions are powered by vague sentiment. The other crowd-support schemes involve people actually putting their money where their mouths are. After all, plenty of good webcomics, marketable inventions, and so on are supported by large numbers of individual donors these days.

In fact, getting people to donate via things like patreon may be a savvy business tactic. Most patreon/kickstarter rewards I've seen don't involve paying out a share of the eventual windfall if the product hits the big time. No, you just depend on the investors' love of the idea and attraction to whatever (non-monetary) incentives you can devise, and then rake in the money hand over fist if your idea hits the big time.
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« Reply #190 on: 03-18-2015 16:53 »

You'll probably all be disappointed if it's started up again and the new run's premiere episode is about Zapp marrying Turanga Morris and Cohen says you should like it as he announces to the world that he went to school, again.
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« Reply #191 on: 03-18-2015 17:22 »

While that is a thing that could happen if the show were renewed, I doubt it'd be likely.
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« Reply #192 on: 03-18-2015 19:34 »

I thought it pretty well summed up the last 10 years or so. I wouldn't expect the process to remain the same and yield different results.  evil laugh
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« Reply #193 on: 03-25-2015 06:47 »
« Last Edit on: 03-25-2015 06:58 »


Wilful ignorance is something which I try to avoid.

In reading that sentence, I thought you were going to say willful ignorance is something which you try to pretend doesn't exist.

You presented the opportunity for the perfect ironic* sentence and you didn't take it. I'm disappointed, tnuk. no no

*I know 'ironic' isn't the best word to use here, but it's nearly midnight and I've been in a Spanish-speaking country for nearly two years, so that's the best word you're getting.

Edit: I think the word I was looking for was 'contradictory,' but again, I don't really care right now. smile




Edit - and come to think of it, the movies WERE a different approach to making money from the show when the broadcast-based business model wasn't working. Even now though, people are consuming media differently than they were seven years ago when Bender's Big Score was released.

My favorite animated sitcom should go the route of my favorite live action sitcom: Yahoo! Screen! big grin?
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« Reply #194 on: 03-30-2015 03:09 »


Signatures aren't something that studio executives can spend.


And all this time I thought signing my checks was necessary.

I agree though, let sleeping dogs lie... Well, maybe. I was pretty excited to find out they rebooted the X-Files, so I really can't say it would be any different with me for Futurama.
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« Reply #195 on: 03-30-2015 04:37 »

But surely not as excited as you were about the return of Coach?
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« Reply #196 on: 03-30-2015 06:33 »

But surely not as excited as you were about the return of Coach?
Well, it will be nice to have something other than poker tournaments to wake up to when I fall asleep with the tv on at night.
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« Reply #197 on: 04-15-2015 05:45 »

Futurama will come back as Futurama: Season Eight, a Tellgame game.

You read it here first!
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« Reply #198 on: 04-15-2015 06:04 »

That's a legitimately good idea that I would love to see happen.
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« Reply #199 on: 04-15-2015 06:45 »

Whatever happened to those AOL CDs that came in boxes of cereal?
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