Gorky
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Well what finally made Kif man up and give Zapp a punch in the guts? Him seducing Amy. True, but Zapp seducing Amy had nothing to do with him being a captain and Kif being his lieutenant. It was a personal matter, not a professional one, so Kif would have no qualms about being "insubordinate" in that case. And if you think that's a stretch, well...I agree with spira that there was no reason to dwell on Kif's reaction to the situation. It would have mucked up the episode's pacing.
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It can be harsh, but I don't find it to be harsh by necessity. I think this is an example of a time when they made a blunder when deciding the airing order (I don't know who decides this, but whoever it was made a blunder, and the others made one by letting him/her/them). Another example would be if there came an episode in which Bender finds an egg and it turns out to keep a creepy alien that needs to be put down. The episode could be aired years after "Fry Am the Egg Man", and can be entirely unrelated, and hell, it could be the best Futurama episode ever, but reviewers (and I) will still be mad about the plagiarizing of a previous plot.
My point is, if it's not evident, that episodes can be degraded for their relationship with other episodes, be it in correct production order or not.
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DannyJC13
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Bender's Big Monkey? Bender's Big Mango? Bender's Big Moob?
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spira
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but even nutella can be spread across too much bread...
This is actually false. I could just sit down and eat a jar of nutella without anything as irrelevant as bread to distract me, would I not feel guilty about it later. I agree though. There is quite a bit of Bender, and the Bender-centric episodes in the old run were never my favorites.
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Well one thing that has bothered me is how many Bender episodes there have been since the cancellation. Two of the movies are named after him (I never got why BBS had him in the title, when it's really about Fry and Leela), and there are times when Futurama feels like "The Bender Show". He is a fantastic character, but even nutella can be spread across too much bread... Yeah, generally I agree that too much Bender is usually, well too much Bender. It worked in Godfellas, it worked in Bender Gets Made and it worked in Hell Is other Robots, but even so too much of him can be a real drag if he's written wrong. I'm looking at A Pharaoh To Remember in particular, but if there's two Bender heavy eps in a row then it can grate somewhat even if they're not that bad. Since cancellation I've not noticed too much of a problem other than the movies as you pointed out. It's Futurama after all, not the Bender show!...
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Eh, by my count there's only been about six episodes of season 6 so far that are primarily about him (in most cases this also pairs him with other characters, too - Fry, Amy, Hermes - so there's only a couple where he's truly the only star of the episode) and that's if you count "Benda" which is really more of an ensemble piece anyway. There's been subplots here and there too, or he plays some part in other plots, but not more so than other characters. We'll see how front-and-center he is in Overclockwise, of course. But I don't think there's been a huge increase in him really, it's just that Comedy Central has bunched a few of them close together this year and created that feeling, much like FOX did toward the end of the show's initial run in 2003.
Calling it "Bender's Big Score" was probably for marketing purposes; he's the most popular and recognizable character. And he was integral to the plot, so it wasn't really false advertising, but again there wasn't a Bender overload compared to other characters. That's true of Bender's Game as well.
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futurefreak
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The writers totally need to read Peel more. From a devoted fan's viewpoint I can relate, but from a writer's viewpoint I could see why they might never, EVER, check PEEL. I hate people critiquing my polished work when I feel it is perfection. Critique me in the process, yes...but if it's finished, it's done.
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Svip
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The title Bender's Game is an obvious play on Ender's Game, so it makes sense. Bender's Big Score isn't a reference to anything, right? If not, eh, I've been stupider before.
Shaft's Big Score?
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Gorky
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Shut up, Svip, I know it! Yeah, there was just a lot of Bender early in 6B. Specifically a lot of Bender-death.
Indeed. As a reviewer, I'd personally take greater offense to the fact that "Ghost in the Machines," "Law and Oracle," and "The Silence of the Clamps" aired consecutively and all featured Bender croaking (or allegedly croaking)--especially because "Ghost in the Machines" and "The Silence of the Clamps" were sub-par to begin with. The overuse of a plot device like, say, killing off a major character, is a way bigger deal to me than an overabundance (if you could even call it that) of well-done flashbacks.
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Svip
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Indeed. As a reviewer, I'd personally take greater offense to the fact that "Ghost in the Machines," "Law and Oracle," and "The Silence of the Clamps" aired consecutively and all featured Bender croaking (or allegedly croaking)--especially because "Ghost in the Machines" and "The Silence of the Clamps" were sub-par to begin with. The overuse of a plot device like, say, killing off a major character, is a way bigger deal to me than an overabundance (if you could even call it that) of well-done flashbacks.
You dislike the killing of a major character? You are going to hate A Song of Ice and Fire.
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DannyJC13
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Since this is the General Discussion thread, can I ask, do we ever see the character's names from Leela's show written down or anything in Yo Leela Leela?
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futurefreak
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What can I say, the writers are the filthy, filthy, mechanics which drive us to
...I really can't even finish that thought.
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Gorky
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...fall apart over the slightest technical details?
That's a fun game, Finishing Other People's Analogies.
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Svip
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Is everything you say a premise?
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Gorky
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I was going to mention that, too, DtB--though I really enjoy "Obsoletely Fabulous." At least in that case, it's not two consecutive episodes where Leela is dreaming the whole thing (or Bender is dreaming the whole thing); the plot device was used differently, and with two different characters, and the result was entertaining. But Bender "dying" three weeks in a row was a little ridiculous; Bender faux-dying three times in a single season might even be pushing it. And it didn't help that "Ghost in the Machines" and "The Silence of the Clamps" weren't particularly great to begin with, in my opinion.
Oh, and I know people were annoyed by the overuse of Scruffy this season, but I've been watching a lot of season three episodes recently, and he's used quite frequently there, as well. He's in "Parasites Lost" and "The Luck of the Fryrish," which are only an episode apart in production order. He also has quite a bit of dialogue in "Future Stock." These appearances don't bother me, of course, but they made me feel a bit better about what I thought was some Scruffy overload in the first few episodes of season 6B.
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Svip
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Since when have they not altered the interior design of the PE building from episode to episode?
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« Reply #556 on: 09-01-2011 16:18 »
« Last Edit on: 09-01-2011 16:53 »
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Lets hope the last 2 episodes can stay as high or go even higher. Though even with the last 2 episodes with 100%, Season 6 would still be on an average of 78% With both being 90+ it would go all the way up to 77.xx%.... from currently 76.17% So Season 6 will definitely stay the lowest rated Season ever. Thanks to episodes like TFHS, YLL and IAGDL.
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I don't think everything is worse now, but I do think this season overall is weak.
Does anyone else get the impression that the jokes are either being written by new joke writers or being screened by Comedy Central? It seems lately there are more misses than hits and Futurama used to rarely ever miss for me. Maybe season 7 will be better.
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DannyJC13
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Vol 6
Season 6B has included some of the best episodes in a long time.
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