JJ Abrams is a (visionary/disgrace) who must be (commended/stopped): Star Trek

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What important thing do you have to do?  Visit a cave perhaps?

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Thanks, Josh.  I couldn't play the vid with my current settings, and yes, I did assume it
was a trailer or part of a trailer for the new film.

* Tachyonic resonance adjusts his parameters and plays the video...

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country".

* Tachyonic resonance Searches around for a US-playable clip

OK, I'm just intrigued enough to keep my eyes open for more.

 

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Sounds like you're talking about the new movie, Tachy, but Javier was posting about something else I think? I don't know, I'm too lazy and uninterested to actually press play on the video he posted.

The video is a preview of the new incoming Star Trek series : "Star Trek Discovery" .. wich will premiere next janury

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EDIT: ups.. sorry for the double post.. i would swear i was editing the previous one 

Thanks, Josh.  I couldn't play the vid with my current settings, and yes, I did assume it
was a trailer or part of a trailer for the new film.

* Tachyonic resonance adjusts his parameters and plays the video...

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country".

* Tachyon resonance Searches around for a US-playable clip

OK, I'm just intrigued enough to keep my eyes open for more.

 

For what i know.. the series producer is Bryan Fuller and  Nicholas Meyer .. who produced the star trek classic movies..

Also aparently since CBS owns only the "prime timeline" Star Trek while JJ and universal own the "alternate timeline".. the series seems to have to be placed in the prime timeline..

only mystery is timeplacing... the USS Discovery registry is NCC-1031.. wich makes it an older ship than the enteprise.. however visual clues in the ship and analisis from folks seem to sugest it might be a refit with Excelsion class clues... wich would place it right after if not arround the Star Trek movies time (2280s?)

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I hope it is like Enterprise.  I wish Enterprise had done a crossover episode with Quantum Leap where Scott Bakula possesses Scott Bakula and Ziggy tells him that he has to do a specific action to save the Federation.

On a sidenote one of the new local channels (they popped up from the change from public analog to public digital I think) is now showing all 5 star trek series in episode order Sunday through Friday.  And they play each series one after the other!  The channel is called H&I (Heroes & Icons) if anyone else in the US wants to check for a local affiliate.

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...the USS Discovery registry is NCC-1031.. wich makes it an older ship than the enteprise.. however visual clues in the ship and analisis from folks seem to sugest it might be a refit with Excelsion class clues... wich would place it right after if not arround the Star Trek movies time (2280s?)

Oh come on... im not a Trekie at all...

One of those posts contradicts the other

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I think he's just obsessed with anything having to do with vehicles.

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A man has his priorities.

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I think he's just obsessed with anything having to do with vehicles.

Lets just say i have trekkie friends who had allready diserted that... i just repeat here

A man has his priorities.

Yuo should see me discussing why the Eurofighter actually works.. or why i hate Kevin J Anderson so much

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I think a discussion on the benefits and negatives of various forms of vectored thrust would be more engaging and profitable.

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I think a discussion on the benefits and negatives of various forms of vectored thrust would be more engaging and profitable.

such a tease

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Thought you'd like that.  But seriously, I don't care if the V-22s are thinly veiled death cages, I still think they look cool.

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The static shot of the Discovery above looks OK, but at least on a small screen it didn't hold up well when in motion.

Regarding Beyond, I've been fortunate enough to avoid nearly all of the trailers, and I avert my eyes and mute the sound whenever one pops up.

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How do you feel about the Japanese Zero?  Do you think Mitsubishi will ever produce something worthwhile?

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There's a thread for that

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I know.  I figured derailing this thread might liven up the place a bit.  Plus I know very little about either Archonix or aircraft. :/
Aeronautic principles aren't anything like rocket science though, right?

What was in this post originally that got edited out???

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Thought you'd like that.  But seriously, I don't care if the V-22s are thinly veiled death cages, I still think they look cool.

Totally agree.

I think Captain Lorian is the best Federation Captain.

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I'm kind of noticing the animated series, the best star trek series, is not on that poll for some reason.  Pretty sure this thread was made after the animated series was created, aired in its entirety on public broadcast television, placed in its own dvd special edition set, ripped, re-encoded, and torrented illegally on the internet.  I'm pretty sure somebody should be held responsible for this erroneous mistake of misjustice.

I'd also like to take this time to suggest that an animated series of DS9, done in the same art style as the original animated series, would be pretty cool.  Colloquially, I like to call it Star Trek: DS9: The Animated Series. 

What was in this post originally that got edited out???

No idea there, buddy.  Color me intrigued.

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Without revealing too much, I am going to reserve full judgement on DIS until I've seen at least six episodes.  If TNG, DS9 and VOY are any indicators, it always takes a few seasons before the shows get really good.  TOS never really gets good.  And what's ENT?

However, modern shows tend to get better quicker.  So I believe we won't have to wait a few seasons until we know this show better.  There are promising aspects in the first three episodes, but also worrying factors that make one concerned for it turning more into action movie than Star Trek.

But it's still too early to tell.

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You never mentioned TAS.... TAS is canon, just so you know.  It's real, it happened between TOS and TNG.  The bird people, the telepathic cat people that eat humans, the boxes, the slugs, star trek babies, that's all real!  It's canon, it fucking counts, the voice actors are the TOS crews, with a couple much needed additions, like that pink alien bastard in front that plays the lute.

TAS is real, svip, TAS is real, TAS is people!

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I going to make a controversial statement, but I think "Flashback" is a better episode and tribute than "Trials and Tribble-ations".

For those not familiar, in 1996, both DS9 and VOY decided to make a tribute episode to celebrate Star Trek's 30th anniversary.  DS9 got the full production and created the splendid and memorable "Trials and Tribble-ations" episode, wherein the DS9 crew goes back in time to "The Problem with Tribbles".  The effects are great, the acting is great, the direction is great, the writing is great and it is just well made.

And yet, I don't like it.  For all its success, it suffers - in my view at least - from being too full of itself.  It's just too much meta, and it almost feels out of character for the entire show, as if it is not canon.  It's too much on the nose.

Compare, then, to VOY's tribute, "Flashback".  In this episode, Tuvok experiences flashbacks that puts him back in a frame of mind when he was under Captain Sulu's command.  Sulu's life isn't oddly prolonged in this episode, like Bones in "Encounter at Farpoint", or adjusted like Scotty in "Relics".  No, we are experiencing a flashback, where Tuvok was under Sulu's command.  Granting an appropriate opportunity for Janeway to encounter Sulu, even though she didn't really.

The flashback also flows interestingly and appropriately into the story and it is all explained, and the story is genuinely interesting and you wouldn't notice it was a tribute episode by simply watching it.

I like it when it is understated, and "Flashback" does that.  "Trials and Tribble-ations" hits me over the head.

I don't know why I felt to make that statement, but I did.

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What a coincidence that you mentioned Flashback, Svip! It was on the BBC America channel last week and I watched it for my second time (I binged the entire series this spring). Yeah, I liked it a lot.

Voyager's own flashback episode is Shattered, and though some of the actors didn't care for it all that much, especially Robert Beltran, and despite the fact that it's a bit simplistic, I enjoyed it a great deal. I watch these shows for the emotional impact, for pure entertainment, and rarely focus my attention to the point that I'm analyzing the presentation for plot holes or whatnot. I'm pretty easily entertained.

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Enterprise's mirror episodes.  But we're still waiting on the Quantum Leap Enterprise crossover.

Gonna get some of that DS9: The Animated Series.  ^_^

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So did i understand this right?

Star Trek expends several series (4 of them mainly) hammering in our heads how morally and perfect the federation was and how highly morally and ethically evolved humans from 23 century onwards were..

And this series wich takes plane right between The Cage and TOS has the federation being mostly assholes?

You know i would liked this as a reboot or some period way before (like after Enterprise) or way after.. but right in the middle it seems quite a streetch

And what the actual FRAK is wrong with the Klingons? GOGdamnit how many more complete redesigns we need? its like the 4th! ..in a period where they suposedly looked like humans with faces painted brown!.. and why are they barroque now? I have seen 12 hundred years cathedrals look less cathidral than their ships

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Can you expound on that JL (Justice Leage Javi, eh?), like discuss what's going on there?

I think your opinions are probably valid.  When Enterprise came out, it seems weird that they seemed to have anachronistic species in the series, as it was a prequel.  I'm also sure quite a lot of the fans didn't like many of the larger story arcs... like that alien federation alliance that wanted to destroy the Earth, or the temporal cold war.  That said, I actually enjoyed a lot of the atmosphere in ENT, I liked the crew, and I think today it's my first or second favorite star trek series:  after perhaps TAS or Andromeda.

I also enjoyed the reboot movies to a lesser degree.  They were all fluff, but it was good fluff.

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i kinda liked Enterprise despite all the hate it had.. because it was a development history in an unexplored part where there was still no federation so they could go any way they wanted (for a while at least) .. i even liked DS9 for its very complex political thatre that played with the relationships of all mayor players in the Alpha cuadrant..and as it was the last part of the history they could fllow any patch they wanted..and they did with the "dirty federation" and section 31..

But Discovery is shoehorned right in the middle of TOS ... when TOS had federation characters going arround the universe saying everyone else how savage they are and how uncivilized and how unmoral and primitive and how the federation was allways the Ned Flanders federations..

then comes discovery and we have Vulcans advising to shot first at Klingons.. federation captains first refusing to first strike at enemies ..then sending them bombs by surprise hiden in corpses.. XOs turning on their COs after a 2 minute argument..  life imprisonement for a series of bad decisions wich had no ill-intent..  security officers calling prisioners pieces of shit.. waring captains.. abusing animals for war efforts..

Also the Klingons.. apart from what i said before about their looks and barroque decoration skills never seen before ..or after.. they expend several series talking about honor.. even the point in DS9 about Klingons not taking prisioners because they see it as a humiliation to a falled oponent warrior.. then in Discovery.. right at TOS time they attack civilian targets.. capture prisioners to torture and rape them.. and outragelly do unhonorable stuff as calling for a peace metting only with the intention of capturing a seniour starfleet officer


dont get me wrong.. i really like the Lorca character..and also Burnham ..i like the visuals and the feeling.. but this is still suposed to be inserted right before the original TV star trek.

Even the JJVerse has an excuse (a ver bad one) because it takes part in a diferent reality.. Discovery takes pride of being in the prime timeline..and im not even a frigin treekie and see plenty of issues with that

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Who wants to talk about Tarantino directing the next Star Trek movie?

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Who wants to talk about Tarantino directing the next Star Trek movie?

This sentence is blowing my mind. Did anyone see that coming? It seems so random.

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Which is the best subplot in Discovery?



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The bottom is a mirror mirror episode of Enterprise.  :3

Nice seeing you hopie4ever

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Hello to the winna.

The bottom is Emperor Hoshi, I am hoping she is still the emperor next episode!

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Yeah, I know Hoshi.  Next episode?  :3

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Next episode of Discovery!

I am enjoying this series despite a few problems, it's probably not objectively great but well worth a watch if you don't have to pay monthly!

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yeah.. despite i dont like the "its a reboot but hey its not a reboot" im starting to enjoy this series a lot just by itself and stoping comparing it to the rest of ST... at least its keeping things interesting and changing and far from the "alien from the week"

One thing that i do like quite a lot is the Discovery crew (and i mean the crew, not just the 4 or 5 main ones) having increased roles and involvement.. above average-extras in sci-fi who's role is just be in background and die ocasionally

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I think there are some great characters but unfortunately Michael Burnham is not one of them. I do wonder if this show would be better if it was not Star Trek, but I also doubt it would have got the budget to get made if it wasn't. Nostalgia sells!

I have seen reviews that absolutely hate the show, mainly because it is "not Star Trek", make it more like what I want damnit, blahblahblah.

Star Trek is already so different from itself. The TOS/TNG movies are different from their respective TV shows, and even taking The original three series on their own the narrative and motivations are all over the place. It was never written as an ongoing show with internal rules. Have they watched the show recently? What do these people think Star Trek actually is?

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I would love to watch a few eps and judge for myself, but that's unlikely to happen. Unless it's eventually released on disc. Now, I'm almost sufficiently intrigued to go sign up for a trial of Amazon video or something. Almost.

Star Trek is already so different from itself. The TOS/TNG movies are different from their respective TV shows, and even taking The original three series on their own the narrative and motivations are all over the place. It was never written as an ongoing show with internal rules. Have they watched the show recently? What do these people think Star Trek actually is?

YES. Absolutely.

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I think there are some great characters but unfortunately Michael Burnham is not one of them.

I do agree the character has been flat, but I also think that she has become more compelling in this second half of season 1 compared to the first half. I hope the writers figure her out better and add some more dimensions to her, because I do like Sonequa Martin-Green and the idea of Michael Burnham. I think the ‘raised by Vulcans’ characterization kind of puts her in a limited box, but it’s not like Vulcans can’t be compelling. Just something about her character arc isn’t totally doing it for me right now.

However Saru has definitely become my favorite character, Doug Jones’ acting in the last episode and the general writing for him has been fantastic. He makes it feel like Trek for me (although it always felt like Trek to me, I’m okay with the difference in tone).

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I just think they don't know what they want their lead to be, they push the character in so many different directions that it's hard for me to see her as a real person. One minute she is the kickass action star, the next she is trying to debate philosophy or negotiate terms. One episode she gives up on everything she has in the name of logic, and then another she is putting everything in danger because she is in love with Clem Fandango.

Other characters have had more time to do a task or grow as a person and show us who they are or who they could be, but overall the series story line just seems very rushed, I hope they gain patience as they get more confident from being renewed.

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That's it for season one of Star Trek Disco

Good finale I'd say

Show spoiler

A really great speech to conclude the story, and then the last moment is either totally awesome or a massive fuck you, depending on your point of view.