DrThunder88

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Whip snipe.
You disagree about it being worse or about Dakota Fanning playing Henrietta Jones?
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i_c_weiner

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Originally posted by newhook_1: I do have to say a couple of things here, Indy "basically loses" in Raiders of the Lost Arc as well, and I believe Temple of Doom pretty much jumped into the plot balls first. [ But Indy got the Ark in the end of Raiders. I got nothing but child support out of this one.
Temple of Doom had a musical before the movie started. You didn't get to the India stupid little rock plot until they met that guy with the crazy hair on the river. The crystal skull happened in the first scene. That wasn't as much a problem as Mac being a double agent from the beginning. Henrietta Jones and the Pink Pony of Assateague OR Mutt Jones and the Search for Jar Jar YOU DECIDE!
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VelourFog

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I thought it was good, but it suffered from too much of a wait and too much expectations. Of course it's not going to be as good as I'd like, or even as good as the originals.
This movie seems more like Temple of Doom, in that (as far as I remember from that movie) they just sort of went on their trek. In the other two movies, I feel like they had to figure things out, solve clues, etc. And not like the "clues" where Indy says "this letter is gonna be hard to translate" and then is reading it off flawlessly the next second.
There were some bits that seemed a little far fetched even for an Indy movie, the monkey part especially. I have no issue with Shia LeBuff. He was actually really good in "Holes" but that's the only thing I've seen him in. It probably helps that I've never seen his Disney sitcom.
I'm not in love with the possible idea (says Lucas) of him taking up the torch for an Indy 5, but you never know. Young Indiana Jones was probably terrible and I know I watched some of that.
It was nice to have a good old fashioned summer popcorn movie that I could actually see with my whole family. Sure, it wasn't as good as Last Crusade, and lacked probably any kind of iconic scene, but it wasn't terrible.
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FishyJoe

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This movie was definitely more of a Temple of Doom than a Raiders/Crusade, both in terms of how the story unfolded and also the supernatural elements. (Raiders and Crusade save their supernatural goodness for the very end, while Temple of Doom has voodoo dolls and heart-pullings fairly early on.)
I'm so fickle when it comes to far-fetched stuff. I loved--seriously LOVED the A-bomb sequence. I don't care how impossible it was that he would survive that. It was just a fun, funny scene. Totally unlike anything I've ever seen.
But then you have a car driving off a cliff and onto a tree, and I just think "oh, come on..."
Don't get me started on Young Indy, VF. I actually used to like that show when it first came on. A little more dramatic and less actioney than the movies, but still good, I thought. Apparently, as an infrequent viewer, I was lucky enough to only have caught the good episodes.
Eventually they put them out on video and I bought a bunch of them, and was shocked by how bad and boring a lot of them were. I have no idea why they thought it would be a good idea to take a fun action/adventure series and turn it into "Boring Unlikely Encounter With Historical Figure Of The Week".
I don't know if I'd go for a spinoff with Mutt by himself, but a transition film with Indy and Mutt teaming up I could see being pretty cool.
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Frisco17

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I thought it was good. Not Raiders/Crusade level good but still far superior to all the other crap they make these days. Two best thing in my opinion. One when he ends up in the dummy town because I was the only person in the group I went with who got it right away and I thought it was hilarious. Two in alot of movies where somebody's being attacked by natives with tomahawks or something I always think, "There's a situation where and AK would be useful." Finally my idea has been accepted. All in all I give it an 8.5/10.
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coldangel

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Mutt is a stupid name. I know it's a pun on Indiana being the dog's name, as referenced by Henry Sr at the end of Last Crusade, but still... for a spinoff? Mutt Jones and the Hammer of Thor doesn't sound like a very appealing title.
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coldangel

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Which would be cool, yeah.
I personally never refer to the 'Indiana Jones and the-' bit when I talk about the films. It's a bit cartoonish, and the retroactive re-titling of Raiders was just irritating. Damn Lucas, never leaving well enough alone. I tell you, if he ever tries to go back and stick CGI shit in Raiders like he did with that other trilogy (name I can't recall), I will personally walk up to him, kneel down, and punch him in the face.
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JBERGES

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Originally posted by FishyJoe: I think the last big action sequence in the jungle was probably the most ridiculous action sequence in the entire series. No way does it compare to the truck chase sequence or the tank sequence from earlier movies. I disagree here, but am a sucker for goofy sequences with improbable choreography, people switching places and fighting from odd positions. Overall I enjoyed it; yeah a few things we a bit... strange, like Mutt the Tarzan, but that's Lucas slowly going insane for you. I was MOST annoyed by that stupid anthropomorphic looking gopher thing that hung out in the beginning. Seriously, what the hell was that doing there?!! Solidly enjoyable, not quite as good as 1 and 3, but much much better than Temple of Doom. B+.
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coldangel

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Not so much evil as Nazis also. The Soviets fought against the Nazis just like Indy did. Like I said in my long-winded review in the other thread - even James Bond movies of old had the occassional sympathetic Russian character. I suppose her moments of wide-eyed childlike wonder in the film could count as humanizing.
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Originally posted by coldangel_1: Paltrow?! You mean Blanchett? Paltrow was in Iron Man. You're getting your wires crossed, daddy-o.
I think Cate was written a rather cliche' role as a typical Bond-esque Russian and she did what she could with it. Actually, she appeared to be having a lot of fun, and the occassional moments of fear and wonder that the character exhibits in between Soviet badassness are actually pretty convincing. And I won't have a bad word said about her - she's my darling. I don't think she was Bond-esque. Like all good Indy villains, she had an interest in archaeology herself. That psychic thing she had going on was reminiscent of Octopussy though. On the other hand, her heavy was exactly the kind of henchman you find in a Bond film: Built like a brick outhouse, seems to thrive on being punched, and has a penchant for grinning inanely. I can't remember the character's name but he might just as well have been called Stamperkov or Jawsakhstan or something. Also, for the record, I liked the jungle chase, except for Mutt being the King of the Monkeys.
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coldangel

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Yes, yes... the Monkey thing would best be excised entirely...
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DrThunder88

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Also, did anyone else yell, "Snakes do not work that way!"
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coldangel

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Yeah, the snake thing was hilarious.
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Frisco17

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When I was watching that I was thinking, Marion must have specifically told him to get a snake. Originally posted by coldangel_1: Not so much evil as Nazis also. I don't know. The USSR was the lesser of two evils but now by much.
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coldangel

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I disagree, with the exception of Stalin's tenure. But this is not the place.
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Nixorbo

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My thoughts on Indiana Jones and the Search for Willing Suspension of Disbelief: Honestly, I can't decide if it's an Indiana Jones movie or just a movie with Indiana Jones in it. It just felt too different from the realfirst three. I still  Karen Allen. While it was fun, it just, I dunno, strained my willing suspension of disbelief a little too much. From the refrigerator (unnecessary) to the Tarzan (wtf) to the Asgard having magical skeletons. Speaking of the Asgard, this is a movie that would have greatly benefited from a cameo by either James Spader, Michael Shanks or Supreme Commander Thor, or better yet, all three. All in all I enjoyed the movie, just not nearly as much as the other three. Yes, even Temple of Doom.
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coldangel

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When I was a little kid, the only video we owned was Temple of Doom, and so my sister and I watched it about fifteen thousand times. Consequently I have a strong sense of nostalgia for that movie and a disproportionate appreciation for it compared to the other Indy flicks. If we hadn't owned that video I probably wouldn't think so highly of it, but there you go - I think it's a great movie. I can basically recite the entire script from memory...
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DrThunder88

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Originally posted by FishyJoe: If they could just make a special edition and remove Willie and maybe dub over Short Round with James Earl Jones, it would be a classic on par with Raiders.
Nah, they'd undoubtedly replace at least one of them some CGI monstrosity like Jar-Jar Binks or a pack of Commie-hating monkeys.
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Frisco17

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Originally posted by coldangel_1: I disagree, with the exception of Stalin's tenure. But this is not the place. That's the part I was refering to.
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coldangel

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Originally posted by VelourFog: I want to see an Indy movie that takes place entirely in the university where her teaches. Indiana Jones and the Lengthy Lunch Break
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