This thread is full of ship

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Here's the real question: If they kept their marriage certificate in their pocket (which they totally didn't not steal from the law office while in Meanwhile), does time traveling null and void their marriage? Does it cease to exist at all like Marty McFly almost did when he pulled time shenanigans? Do any of my questions even matter, or am I rambling on like a doddering old thirty-something?

Whatever they do with these two, I'm curious to see it unfold. It's oft said that once you officially marry off a previously tension-laden couple, the fun deflates right out of the couple's dynamic. I tend to agree with that sentiment for the most part; most shows that end up hooking two characters up permanently simply drop everything that made them interesting and fun, and throw tried and true Married Domestic Couple Obstacles™ at them because lazy. Buying a first house together! Getting a dog! Having children!

To be clear, Futurama could go HAM and shoot for full-blown Married Domestic Couple Obstacles™ as their plot arc for Fry and Leela this reboot around. But I've got just enough faith in the ol' team to think if they did go that very average route, they'd at least take it into very not-average directions. But I think it's far likelier they'll simply be in the 'we're dating' category from here on out and more or less be back to status quo of 'same old same old'.

Edit: Mine pants are ablaze. Another new page score.

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Heh, the more I think about it, I think what I actually want are the occasional High Stakes Emotional Stories with Fry and Leela, and the rest of the time just let them be. Like, maybe give us some hand-holding or a quick smooch or a throwaway line of dialogue to remind us they're a committed couple, but I don't especially want to see the more domestic storylines Zoidy posits. I want all the highs, none of the lows, and some of the in-betweens in those episodes that are not primarily interested in Fry and Leela's romantic entanglement. (Yes, I recognize that what I'm asking for is something akin to what we got in the original run, and while the constant use of the reset button on Fry and Leela's relationship in seasons one through four bothered me, I don't think I'd mind it so much in these new episodes as long as the fact of their coupledom remains constant.)

Anyway, I thought "Children of a Lesser Bog" did a decent job of keeping the Fry/Leela stuff in the background, even though Leela was prominently featured, and just having that brief moment between the two of them at the end where it seems like maybe this experience has pushed them one step closer to thinking about the role of children in their own future. The only thing I found out of place between Fry and Leela this week was Fry agreeing that the kid's one eye was weird. I suppose he could've meant "weird" in the sense that the kid's resemblance to Leela was odd/disturbing, but in that moment it just seemed like he was agreeing that one-eyedness in itself is a strange or unappealing trait. Might've just been something about the timing or line reading, though.

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Like, maybe give us some hand-holding or a quick smooch or a throwaway line of dialogue to remind us they're a committed couple, but I don't especially want to see the more domestic storylines Zoidy posits. I want all the highs, none of the lows, and some of the in-betweens in those episodes that are not primarily interested in Fry and Leela's romantic entanglement.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't want to see the writers do every domestic and boring thing ever with them either. That'd be falling into the 'this ruins the fun' trap I mentioned. What I want is like what the OG run did and what you mentioned; just enough content to show they care a lot for each other in small ways. Fry and Leela have deeply cared about each other since the first episode. I love seeing that kinda stuff. To me, that's just about as prime as we could ask for. But if they simply HAVE to go down a route where they end up more or less parallel to Kif and Amy, basically becoming Animated Married With Children, they could at least do it with some panache. Thankfully, I don't think they're going to take that 'very average route' as I called it. More likely, they'll simply torture us all with more 'are they aren't they' shenanigans.

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What I want is like what the OG run did and what you mentioned; just enough content to show they care a lot for each other in small ways. Fry and Leela have deeply cared about each other since the first episode. I love seeing that kinda stuff.

Yes, exactly—so well-said! I live for those moments in the original run that remind us of how much Leela and Fry love each other in a purely platonic way (though of course the platonic stuff becomes very much one-sided as the series progresses). Leela preventing Fry from getting his lungs replaced with gills! Fry risking his life to buy Leela an Xmas present! Leela running interference on Fry’s horrendous Valentine’s date! Fry saving Leela from an unhappy marriage to a polygamous grifter! Leela helping Fry retrieve his seven-leaf clover! Fry uncovering the identity of Leela’s parents!

I also dig those episodes where Fry and Leela (and sometimes Bender) are just doing friend stuff together, like “The Route of All Evil” or “Less than Hero.” Episodes like that were seriously lacking in the CC run, I think to the show’s detriment.

In any event, I’d love for the new season to take more of a best-friends-who-also-happen-to-bone approach to Fry and Leela’s relationship, at least in those episodes that are not overtly shippy (that casual naked-in-bed-together scene in “Free Will Hunting?” More of that, please!), but I’m not holding my breath. I fear we’re stuck with, as you put it, Married…with Children-style antagonism, albeit on the gentler/more affectionate side—or else a sort of Homer and Marge thing where Fry continually disappoints and Leela continually nags. God help us all…

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Who will ship Lars into the series?  Will it be the professor in an episode that's an homage to Quantum Leap?  Or they could reference Star Trek Enterprise and have Scott Bakula as a guest star in the episode as he becomes friends with Lars and Bender and Nibbler's shadow, like in those mirror, mirror episodes of Star Trek Enterprise, and then Worf is there with Captain Janeway for some reason, and also Q is there as Discord from those episodes of Breaking Bad, like in this fanfic I'm making.  What if instead of going back in time when he got cryogenically frozen, Fry got transported to New Mexico or LA and met the actor that played Heisenberg and became good friends with Jesse from Breaking Bad and they all hung out like in That 70s Show!?

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So I actually think this most recent episode ("How the West Was 1010001") has come the closest so far this season to giving me what I want from Fry and Leela. It was not overtly about their relationship, but they had some funny scenes together that subtly alluded to—and/or were dependent upon the romantic nature of—their relationship. Leela consulted Fry on the sluttiness of her attire, walked him home at night to protect him from danger, and refused to engage in the sex-work part of her job unless it was with him. They had two separate storylines that intersected about two-thirds of the way through the episode in a natural way, and at the end they went off to, y'know, fuck. That's all good, in my book.

The one thing I found a little weird was Leela's attachment to the Borax Kid after the encounter with the cougar-puma-mountain lion, as she'd seen with her own eye that it ran off in fear after Fry shot wildly at it and thus knew that the Borax Kid's claims of heroism were patently false. We then see her strolling arm-in-arm with him through town, suggesting she's somewhat smitten, but after he kisses her hand and asks her to sleep with him she disgustedly refuses. I guess she was just that turned off by his plagiaristic ways? Or suddenly remembered that she's dating Fry?

I don't know, the whole thing reminded me a bit of those season six episodes where all signs indicate Fry and Leela are exclusively dating but then you get Leela fawning over Angus in "Fry am the Egg Man" or Fry having sex with the mayor's wife in "Ghost in the Machines." I understand the episode was playing into tropes of the Western genre, and Leela was just fulfilling her role as a feisty (and fickle) damsel or whatever, but it was a bit jarring how quickly she changed her tune on the Borax Kid after initially cautioning Fry against him.

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Leela just wanted the Borax Kid to ask her to go to the back room. She was disappointed that she wasn’t getting many offers and says “I’d never go but it’s nice to be asked” in the tavern scene with Fry. It’s not that she was turned off by him or “remembered” she was in a relationship with Fry. She got what she wanted from him, was happy about it, and had sex with Fry instead.

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Welcome to PEEL, Uteryou (excellent username, by the way—love a good Simpsons reference)!

I agree with your read on the last scene, but what I still find puzzling is Leela’s seeming interest in the Borax Kid after the mountain lion attack. Unless I’m misremembering the moment, it’s not that he takes credit for the shooting and then starts hitting on Leela—it’s the moment of stolen valor itself that attracts her to him, isn’t it?

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Thanks, I’ve been here for a while, I just never had a reason to post yet. Yeah, it’s weird, but I assume Leela was just taking the opportunity to flirt with him because he was a regular customer at the bar. She’d already been flirting with customers all day anyway. I’m not sure if she was genuinely attracted to him, she’s never really been portrayed as being into non-human beings.

Fry and Leela are supposedly finally moving in together in episode 5 and I can only assume they wanted one last “are Fry and Leela together or not” episode before it actually happens

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Can anyone explain me the timegap between the puma/Fry/Leela/Borax night scene and the next morning scene where Leela and Borax were strolling to the town and Fry was taking care of Borax's bed? What's happened to that folk during that night? Fry is a cuckold now or what?

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They didn’t have sex. Leela was flattered to be asked to go to the back room at the end of the episode. Plus, she said in the earlier scene that she was never going to do it anyway, she just wanted to be asked.

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Can anyone explain me the timegap between the puma/Fry/Leela/Borax night scene and the next morning scene where Leela and Borax were strolling to the town and Fry was taking care of Borax's bed? What's happened to that folk during that night? Fry is a cuckold now or what?

Oh, shit, I hadn’t even thought of that! I will say I giggled at Fry’s line about being pleased by the Borax Kid and Leela’s level of intimacy, but I don’t think the episode meant to imply the two of them were about to have sex. It was already established that Leela and Fry weren’t staying at the PE crew camp, and implied that they had separate sleeping arrangements—Fry in the tent, Leela presumably in the saloon. My guess is she returned to the saloon that night and met up there with the Borax Kid again the following morning, at which point she agreed to accompany him on his stroll about town. Or basically what Uteryou said.

Also, not to be pedantic, but I think Fry and Leela would have to be married for her sleeping with another man to constitute him being cuckolded.

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That scene with Fry sweeping borax powder off Borax's bed was way... OK it's disgusting.

Thanks for the explanation.

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Not much Fry/Leela shippiness to report from "Parasites Regained," though as I noted in the episode review thread I did enjoy Fry's offer (and Leela's acceptance) of his shirt as a snot rag.

In other relationship news, it was kind of nice to see Leela and Nibbler bonding. I was mostly annoyed by how their relationship was handled in "That Darn Katz"—Leela's clingy co-dependency and Nibbler's initial rejection of her felt somewhat out-of-character—so to see their mutual love for each other in this episode was quite sweet. I didn't necessarily get verklempt over Nibbler's deterioration and Leela's (cloyingly) tearful goodbye to him, but I thought their moments of friendship (particularly doing the various word puzzles together) were cute, and the ending was genuinely affecting without going over-the-top as other parts of the episode did.

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I really liked the focus on Leela and Nibbler’s relationship. It’s nice to see Leela’s friendships outside of Fry and Bender get some focus.

I am cautiously optimistic for the next episode. We know Fry and Leela are moving in together, but my question is whether that will carry over to future episodes or if they’ll reset the dynamic to status quo at the end of the episode.

I do find it funny that we saw more of Leela’s apartment in this episode than we ever have before if she’s moving out next episode.

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^Ha, I had a similar thought about how prominently Leela’s apartment was featured in “Parasites Regained” knowing what’s to come in the next episode. I almost wonder if that was intentional, not because “Related to Items You’ve Viewed” is a direct sequel but because at least now it’s been (re)established that Leela still has her own apartment and didn’t move in with Fry on the sly or something.

I suppose it’s also possible that the move-in will be temporary/reversed by the end of the episode, but I’m hoping this is a permanent change (if only because it will have very little practical impact on the show—Fry and Bender’s apartment is a rarely-seen set anyway—while simultaneously allowing for some clear progression/growth in Fry and Leela’s relationship).

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Update: There was some good Fry/Leela content in "Related to Items You've Viewed"! I was taken aback by the total lack of explanation for why Leela was moving in—this episode might've made more sense as the second one of the season, as everyone was still getting reacclimated to 3023—but once she was actually in the apartment, I enjoyed a lot of the story beats.

It is sort of a bummer that the best joke of the lot (Fry being intrigued by Invasa's suggestion of massage oil and handcuffs, Leela being creeped out, and Fry backtracking) was spoiled by the previews, but I still enjoyed their petty griping and appreciated the genuine affection underpinning it. Leela's assurance to Fry in the egg-chair (for his egg-shaped-friends-who-aren't-actually-his-friends) that the fights were just typical moving-in-together growing pains was rather sweet, and I got a kick out of Fry's delayed "Yes, dear" when Leela commanded him to shoot at the warehouse.

With that said, I'm not loving how Leela and Bender's relationship has been written so far this season. It's as if the show has forgotten that the two of them have a friendship separate from Fry. Like, I chuckled at Leela's "What now?" response when Fry expressed their joint sorrow at Bender's leaving them for Momazon, but I thought her agreement at the end of the episode that he's a third wheel was sort of mean-spirited. Give me the Leela and Bender of "My Three Suns" ("I like you!") or "The Honking" ("It was very sweet of you, Bender") or "Godfellas" ("I miss Bender almost half as much as you do") instead of this shtick of Leela being annoyed by, and apparently finding no redeeming qualities in, Bender. It's lazy sitcom writing for Bender to be relegated to the role of "best friend of the coupled-up guy," and I hope at some point this season or next we get a decent Leela/Bender story in its own right.

On a related note, even though this story featured the trio heavily, it didn't feel like the trio to me precisely because Leela and Bender were so much at odds (and Fry himself didn't actually seem too bothered by being caught in the middle, though of course he missed Bender). Not to keep hearkening back to the classics, but give me "Fear of a Bot Planet" or "The Route of All Evil" or "Less Than Hero"—a romp, goddamn it!—instead of this forced interpersonal drama.

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Some cute little Fry/Leela moments in “I Know What You Did Next Xmas.” Of course Leela’s grandmother threatening to marry Fry if Leela doesn’t (which reminded me a bit of the “marriage material” stuff in “Zapp Dingbat”) was the biggie, but the two of them Santa-proofing the PE building at the start of the episode was kind of cute and it was also sweet that both Farnsworth and Leela wanted to spend the holiday break with Fry.

Overall I’ve been pleased with how the last three or four episodes have handled the ship, especially since none of them were Big Romantic Fry and Leela Plots…though I must admit to wishing for one of those episodes to come along soon. I’m guessing that’ll be “All the Way Down.”

Relatedly, it occurs to me that one of the reasons I love season four so much is that something like a third of the episodes (possibly more) have, if not Big Romantic Fry and Leela stories, then at least Fry and Leela Romantic Subplots of Consequence. It’s clear to me that the writers had more will-they/won’t-they ideas than they do happily-committed-couple ideas, and while that’s understandable—it’s the reason so many shows are reluctant to actually get the characters together—it is sort of a bummer. Surely there are high-stakes relationship stories to be told beyond the standard moving in, getting married, and having kids, right?

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This thread's basically become a monologue at this point, but I've gotten into the habit of giving a weekly Shippy Content Update and I can't stop now!

As I noted in my review of this episode, I think the Fry/Leela stuff could've been excised from "Rage Against the Vaccine," where it mostly felt like a distraction. It was cute and all, but if the episode wasn't interested in seriously or extensively exploring the difficulties of quarantining from your partner (an experience I've dealt with twice during COVID, and which sucked on both sides, whether I was the sick one or the caretaker), that particular subplot was superfluous and the episode's runtime would've been better spent elsewhere.

Regarding another relationship involving Leela, I did enjoy the moment near the start of the episode when she was returning from a visit with her parents and her "I love you" was met with much grumbling. It took me aback at first, and I was all set to complain about how out-of-character that cruelty was from Munda and Morris—but, in the context of Explovid and the intense anger it causes, their dismissiveness made total sense and was pretty funny.

Actually—and I say this as someone who was overall unmoved by this episode—it was sort of fun to see a bunch of established character duos bickering with each other: Lrrr and Ndnd, Farnsworth and Wernstrom, Kif and Zapp, Linda and Morbo. Reminded me a bit of the ending of "The Beast with a Billion Backs," where everyone's antagonism was explained away as a byproduct of their love for each other.

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I really enjoyed Related to Items You’ve Viewed, especially the Fry and Leela story. I am happy that they are still living together (as far as we know) and I hope we will see more of their domestic life together in the future.

I have mixed feelings about I Know What You Did Next Xmas, but I did like how physically affectionate Fry and Leela were, along with the scenes where Fry interacts with Leela’s family.

I am not sure how to feel with the Fry and Leela C plot in Rage Againt the Vaccine, however the voodoo doll kiss at the end of the episode is one of my favorite moments of the season so far.

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I dunno if you guys agree, but I'd be interested in an episode similar to Last Temptation of Homer or Colonel Homer, where a character becomes a temptation for Fry, and Leela is the one insecure about someone else taking Fry away from her, instead of the other way round, even though we all know Fry has eyes for only one woman.  I'm working on some fan scripts and comics, and that's a theme I want to explore with one or two characters I'm introducing into them (one is an OC, one is a recurring established character I want to upgrade into a major character).   

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Eh, I think what we got with the Sean stuff in "Fry and Leela's Big Fling" (and, I guess, the Michelle stuff in "Game of Tones") is about all the writers intend to do on the whole jealous-lovers front.

With that said—and to offer another Simpsons analogy—the soul-searching stuff from "The Mysterious Voyage of Our Homer" that leads Homer to fully recognize Marge as his soulmate could possibly translate to Futurama. An exploration of the true why of Fry and Leela's attraction/connection could be kind of cool. But again (for better or worse), I don't think it's something the writers are interested in doing.

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I would like something like that, and it might solidify the relationship a bit more.  It seems like the writers are keeping them as a couple, rather then having itthe seeming on again off again treatment it got in the CC episodes.

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It’s sort of a double-edged sword: I like the consistency in Fry and Leela’s relationship, but that very consistency seems (for the writers) to obviate the need to justify the basis for that relationship. Unless there’s something from the CC episodes that I’m missing, not since “Into the Wild Green Yonder” has the show directly addressed what it is that bonds Fry and Leela—and even that is left rather simple and nebulous (“You’re you: that’s all I need to know”).

It’s not that I need Fry and/or Leela to repeatedly prove their love to each other, but for as cute as all the smooching and hand-holding and such has been, we haven’t really been given much of substance in these Hulu episodes. “Related to Items You’ve Viewed” is the most glaring example, just announcing that Fry and Leela are moving in together with exactly zero explanation or build-up. The writing of their relationship seems to be on auto-pilot, and it leaves something to be desired.

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Eh, I think what we got with the Sean stuff in "Fry and Leela's Big Fling" (and, I guess, the Michelle stuff in "Game of Tones") is about all the writers intend to do on the whole jealous-lovers front.

With that said—and to offer another Simpsons analogy—the soul-searching stuff from "The Mysterious Voyage of Our Homer" that leads Homer to fully recognize Marge as his soulmate could possibly translate to Futurama. An exploration of the true why of Fry and Leela's attraction/connection could be kind of cool. But again (for better or worse), I don't think it's something the writers are interested in doing.

My thing is, the plot for them being soulmates is right there in the very first episode if they don't even want to try hard. They're both people who feel very out of place and weird in the world they're in. They're lonely. Fry and Leela both find comfort in each other because they share those things. And of course, over time they end up going through their respective emotional journeys that tie up all of the scraggly ends of their lives, the other there to support them through those things. It's quite poetic to watch unfold over the course of the show's original run if not the entire run.

But I'm with you. I'd rather see them leave it alone that try to do anything profound with it. The idea of them exploring it, at this point, is vastly more appealing and romantic than what they could actually pull off in reality. Also we could channel our inner youth and probably write a consummate collaborative fanfic for free.

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My thing is, the plot for them being soulmates is right there in the very first episode if they don't even want to try hard. They're both people who feel very out of place and weird in the world they're in. They're lonely. Fry and Leela both find comfort in each other because they share those things.

I completely agree. One of the things I really liked about “Meanwhile” (which, overall, I was somewhat underwhelmed by) is the moment towards the end when Fry apologizes for their shared life being kind of lonely and Leela says she was never lonely for a second. Beautiful callback to that very first episode—and, like you say, the foundation of their platonic and romantic relationship.

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I'm writing some fan screenplays (which is a pretentious way of saying fanfic haha).  But yes I was pretty underwhelmed by Meanwhile, and this is like, what, the second time Fry tries to kill himself when he thinks Leela doesn't love him anymore?  Really... not a fan of that.  Makes the relationship seem extremely unhealthy, and that's a can of worms I don't really want to get into on here.

i think the problem is like Gorky said, is that the characters are in a rut. Like you said, I don't have to seem them constantly kissing and cuddling to know they are in a relationship, and I don[t want every episode to be fraught with conflict between them either for drama's sake.  But I think the writers either knew this was going to happen when Leela and Fry finally got toegether, and said, fuck it, the fans want it, we've put it off long enough.   Or the writers simmply have no idea how to write about the two characters when it's not the familiar dynamic of Fry pining after Leela, and her being very ambiguous about her feelings towards him.

After all, the original plan was for Fry and Leela to never get together, and this was somehhing the writers ended up going back on due to fan demand.  And there are times when that really shows. 

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My problem is less with all the cuddling and whatnot and more with Leela being really watered down, to the point where almost everything she does in the new season has to do with her and Fry being together. Gorky mentioned it earlier in this thread too; Leela's existing dynamics have kind of just been replaced with her being Fry's defender. You'd expect a shift in this direction, but the writers just went all the way with it, and it feels off.

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After all, the original plan was for Fry and Leela to never get together, and this was somehhing the writers ended up going back on due to fan demand.  And there are times when that really shows.

Wait, do you mean to say the writers never intended for Fry and Leela to be endgame, or just that they always intended to prolong the will-they/won’t-they until the final moments of the series (a pattern they followed in both the original run and the movies)? If the latter, yeah, I think season six is a testament to how ill-prepared they were to have Fry and Leela be a committed couple, with season seven representing a marked improvement by at least keeping them consistently together for the duration of those episodes.

As for season eight…

My problem is less with all the cuddling and whatnot and more with Leela being really watered down, to the point where almost everything she does in the new season has to do with her and Fry being together.

This is exactly the problem. With the exception of “Parasites Regained”—which still saw Leela’s storyline focused on her devotion to the second most important creature in her life, Nibbler—most of her function thus far this season has been to go alternately moony over and protective of Fry. I’m looking forward to “Zapp Gets Canceled,” which seems like it may actually focus on Leela’s career aspirations and personal sense of fulfillment rather than her status as Fry’s girlfriend. Very curious to see how that one shakes out.

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In hindsight I think I prefer the way they were in seasons 1 and 2. Mostly friends but occasionally hinted at something more. It closes off a lot of potential storylines having them be a couple. Didn't like how Fry pinned after Leela so much and as Spacegoldfish already mentioned, I hated how they had him attempt suicide twice after Leela rejected him, Fry was far cooler and laid back in the early seasons.

They even had fry basically attempt suicide a 3rd time in BWBB, WTH, crap writing, I don't know if it's the writer's thinking suicide is going to endear him to the audience or what but I don't want to see that again. Way to Emo for my tastes.

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I'm assuming I'll be in the minority here, but the Fry/Leela stuff in "The Prince and the Product" didn't bother me in the slightest. Leela's romantic fickleness has been established—I don't like it, but I can't dispute that it preexists this episode—and Fry agreeing to sacrifice himself for Leela's happiness with another man, turning himself willingly into a cuckold, is also very much in character for him. (And it was funny that Leela agreed to serve as his champion not because she feared for his well-being but because he's not good at fighting. That got a chuckle from me.) Again, these are not dynamics of which I am fond, but they make sense for the characters as written in the post-Fox run so I can't really get upset about them.

I also think the Fry/Leela love story in the final segment of the episode made the weirdness of the frame story go down smoother. The reborn Fry and Leela waddling off into the sunset together was just good, cute stuff.

Oh, and I realize I forgot to comment here on "Zapp Gets Canceled," but I don't have much of substance to say (as if I ever do): I enjoyed the shippy stuff in that episode and how it was fairly well-integrated into a larger story that was not predominantly about Fry and Leela's relationship. More of that, please.

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The ending basically confirms the entire episode was non-canon so it’s not worth complaining about really.

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So the theme of "The Prince and the Product" is supposed to be what comes after death? The stories didn't really connect with me. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong, but I think the Rubber Ducks segment is about how life lives on through children? If so, it was done really poorly since Duck Fry and Egg Leela's offspring were just Egg Fry and Duck Leela, not actual children. Futurama could do a much more elegant job of conveying that children are a literal and figurative expression of love and as long as their offspring/offspring's offspring survive, their love lives on.

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I'd just like to point out that the PEELie nominations are closing soon and we don't have that many for shippiest shipper.

So ship yourself over to the subforum and nominate.