if fry is his grampa how was he born looking like himself then when his dad didn' loo

[#80 :]

or we could just blame it on a wizzard.

Edit: Woo! My 2nd TOTPD, Ever!

[#81 :]

wow that was gibberish...
in essence what i meant was: Did the nibblonians' intervention make Fry have the wave deficiency, making his selection completely arbitrary, or was he already going to go into the future, making their intervention unnecessary?
Also i meant: are the nibblonians actually evil? 

[#82 :]

Well, cute things aren't usually malicious. Then again, the Nibblonians were willing to end one person's life as they knew it to further their own agenda. Perhaps they thought correctly. Most humans would seem most likely to refuse to help. "Hmmm, save the Universe a thousand years from now or invoke the 'Somebody Else's Problem Field'" (Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy)

The point is the Nibblonians assumed Fry would see it as 'not his problem'. They failed to take into account that 1999 Fry might actually jump at the offer. A semi-related note: Fry says he would have accepted the offer in TWoF, because he loves the future. But this is based on the fact the 3003 Fry has seen the future, 1999 Fry hasn't. Still, given his tendency to sci-fi fandom, it's reasonable to assume that he would have gone.

Does this make the Nibblonians evil or determined? They go through great lengths to protect the Mighty One (we can safely assume) The Brains wish to destroy the Universe. This is actually a horrible plan for the Brains. Since the beginning of time, they've been amassing information. Then they decided store it in the Infosphere. What's the point of knowing everything just to blow yourselves away as soon as you're done? Perhaps the Infosphere could withstand the destruction, but there still seems to be little point.

So I don't think the Nibblonians are evil and though we're told the Brains are evil, they're really just geeks intent on knowing everything. I suppose in a way, this is 'evil' but I don't know. I think the only thing that made them evil was the disregard they showed all lifeforms as they gathered their knowledge.

Still, I maintain Fry always lacked the delta brainwave. This, in a sense of irony, makes any choice to go to the future irrelevent. He MUST go or risk fading away. Did he have to go in midnight 2000, could he have been thawed out the instant he was needed? AoI 1 says no. He must go then or at least on New Year's it seems or risk throw the Universe out of wack.

Ok, I've said a lot and someone else has probably posted by now. I'll see if this makes sense a few days later.

[#83 :]

I was watching Fry and the Slum Factory last night and remembered something, didn't Fry become Sterile when Bender used the F-Ray on him? Then how could he have impregnated his own Grandmother in season 3 if he became sterile in the 1st season? Or is it in the future that if radiation sterilizes you, you can be cured somehow?

[#84 :]

The worms from Parasites Lost repaired Fry's sperm.

[#85 :]

Oh of couse! How'd I forget that?

[#86 :]

 

So I don't think the Nibblonians are evil and though we're told the Brains are evil, they're really just geeks intent on knowing everything. I suppose in a way, this is 'evil' but I don't know. I think the only thing that made them evil was the disregard they showed all lifeforms as they gathered their knowledge.

Isn't a disregard for all life forms evil, at least in the minds of those life forms?  Don't forget, the brains not only want to learn everything.  They also want to destroy everything else that thinks.  Thinking hurts them, remember?

[#87 :]

Keeping it in the family...

Fry became his fathers father, which made his mother become his fathers grandmother, which made her Frys great-grandmother as well... Urgh.

Um, yah... Now I reeally don't know much about genetics, but it's fun to wonder how they all got so lucky that they weren't just blinked out of existence but also that they don't seem to be abnormal... I wonder if the writers like to read these messages and laugh at the chaos they created :$

Maybe my brain has fizzled out after reading this topic :P

[#88 :]

What about this - take the standpoint of Fry right before the nebula blew up and they went back in time.  Right there at that point how is Fry existing?  Because technically he hasn't gone back to create his dad yet--so the father would have never existed to create Fry--so how is he even existing right then?  .....   

[#89 :]

Simple, because he had already gone back in time. In this case we assume time travel creates a loop that must keep happening in order for things to be the way they are. Or you can just not think that much about it. Time travel mechanics make head explode.

[#90 :]

That's one theory....I'm going 2 take the route of not thinking about it anymore-lol  I was all relaxing, watching this episode last night and everyone ended up in a 3 hour debate about time travel - I guess we'll never know until someone actually travels thru time   

[#91 :]

I'll be right back then...