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Venus

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« Reply #560 on: 01-20-2004 15:23 »

exactly. Nothing about that argument should have caused Munda to do what she did for as long as she did. It really doesn't fit her character.
Teral

Helpy McHelphelp
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« Reply #561 on: 01-20-2004 17:07 »
« Last Edit on: 01-20-2004 17:07 »

Keep in mind she just lost her husband and countless friends after a terrible rebellion, and now her only daughter pretty much reject everything her way of life stand for. Yeah, I think it was a bit sudden too, and the develoment didn't sit entirely right with me (aspecially considering she's cutting off her grand-daughter too), but I can sorta see the idea. Leela was changed by the war (a change that has lasted for more than a decade) why not her mother too?) Next chapter will probably shed some light on the whole situation.
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #562 on: 01-20-2004 18:25 »

exactly, she just lost her husband and friends so having her disown Leela and Lilah just doesn't sit right with me. Leela wasn't rejecting everything her life stood for she just wanted to share what she had with what was left of her family. Munda abandoned Leela as a baby because she thought life on the surface was better. That was established in LH. Both Munda and Morris were dissatisfied with living in a sewer. So the sudden change in perspective is confusing. Even the other mutants are starting new lives on the surface. And even if Munda was annoyed with Leela wanting to share her surface life, the argument really shouldn't have lasted as long as it did.
Allen

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« Reply #563 on: 01-24-2004 15:14 »

Just read the latest part of UoM. It was the greatest thing I ever read. There were some parts that didn't sit right with me. Such as the very end of the chapter. While it had great lines, I thought Leela was a little smarter than that. It may have been what Fry needed to function and then she tears it away. But we still got one more chapter to go. The best thing Ken can do here is a happy ending, but things have still changed. I always hated that aspect of some cartoon shows. At the end, everything's right back to normal. I don't want where they started from, I want where they went, if that makes any sense.
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #564 on: 01-24-2004 16:10 »

Congratulations Ken. Another great chapter with some great pieces. The desciptions of teh inside of the beast, especially the energy window, where execlent.
Leela definitly seemed to be suffering from oral es pes pedis towards the end.
Bring on the final chapter I say. I am very much looking forward to it.
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #565 on: 01-24-2004 20:49 »

 
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Originally posted by treepixy:
    Wow...I've loved the show for a while but i've just recently got into reading the fanfictions...and i was thinking there should be a post where people (after they read) can post a review. I just recently read two fanfictions that I love...I got them from www.leela.ar
   The two were "A Helping Hand" by BumbleBee Theta and "And then there were two" by Wu Konguk
   I'm a spaay romantic with a weakness for Fry and Leela lovin' so if you enjoy stuff like that I hight reccomned them...I just wanted to post this cause I really enjoyed them and i figured i needed to mention it   smile


I'm a shipper too.
And, to stay on topic, I think the first fic I read was Crashcourse in Love, that, while dramatic, was well written. Minds Apart 1 and 2 were good as well.
Oh, and, I know I'll probably be ridiculed for this, but I think the fics where Fry and Leela get married go a little too far with their relationship. But, even though I dislike the whole marriage idea, the rest of the fic is usually well written and worth reading.
I know that makes no sense, considering I'm a shipper, but....

Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #566 on: 01-24-2004 21:48 »

hey, another shipper, welcome to PEEL (btw, i'm as shipper as they get)  big grin

UoM latest chapter: great, as usual. i agree with allen, i dont want things to go back to normal, but i also don't want to be disapointed and see Fry deny his love for Leela....oh, Im such a hopeless shipper... love
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #567 on: 01-24-2004 22:53 »
« Last Edit on: 01-25-2004 00:00 »

Is it just me or does Fry's dialogue in UOM sometimes have a tendency to turn flowery? I was reading this last chap and Fry launched into this poetic metaphor that just threw me. Alesia did it too, but i could ignore it in her cause since she wasn't a normal character her speech patterns weren't already established. But when Fry does it its kinda jarring.
luvnpeese

Bending Unit
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« Reply #568 on: 01-24-2004 23:29 »

Yeah, poetic Fry is a little off, but the overall chapter kicked much ass.
Mango

Starship Captain
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« Reply #569 on: 01-25-2004 00:18 »
« Last Edit on: 01-25-2004 00:18 »

Yeah, it's very out of character for Fry to use such poetic language.  But I guess the situations he's been through in UoM changed him a lot.  :/  still, I don't think all that would make him think in nothing but fancy metaphors and start talking like he thinks he's Shakespeare or something.   tongue

However, characters like Hermes, the Professor, Zapp and Zoidberg (squee Zoidberg  love ) were really well-written.  Yay for that.
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #570 on: 01-25-2004 18:37 »
« Last Edit on: 01-25-2004 18:37 »

Yeah, the "poetic Fry" as it's been dubbed, is supposed to be a result of the change he's gone through since Alesia's death, illustrating his different way of thinking. Still, I admit that I may have gone over the top some times.

Also, even though I've addressed this in the thread also, I'd like to say congrats to Kryten for winning the 2003 PEELie for best fanfiction writer.   smile
Kryten

Space Pope
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« Reply #571 on: 01-26-2004 20:56 »

What? I won? But I barely wrote anything this year!
Allen

Professor
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« Reply #572 on: 01-26-2004 21:51 »

The correct term is 'last year'  smile
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #573 on: 01-26-2004 22:19 »

obviously the majority of peelers who voted don't read fan fictions, or at least are not heavy shippers- which the contestants, besides kenneth, i mean Kif White  wink, were shipper fan fic writers (and even UoM had some shippy parts). therefore, they go with the comedy fan fiction. eh? eh.  wink
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #574 on: 01-26-2004 23:12 »
« Last Edit on: 01-27-2004 00:00 »

I suspect that's probably the case actually. Not that I'm doubting your writing ability Kryten, and I by no means want to sound bitter or like a bad loser, but I did find it strange not that Kryten won, but that there was such a large gap between him and the rest of us nominees. Those are the breaks I suppose though... and again, I hope that causes no offense or makes me sound arrogant/bitter?
Kryten

Space Pope
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« Reply #575 on: 01-29-2004 10:26 »

Is anyone else really nauseated by the current trend of fanfics that are nothing more than an excuse to gruesomely kill off everyone? I've decided that whenever one of these excercizes in pointless brutality gets shat onto The Leela Zone, I will rate it "0" just on general principal.
Ol´coot

Bending Unit
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« Reply #576 on: 01-29-2004 10:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
Is anyone else really nauseated by the current trend of fanfics that are nothing more than an excuse to gruesomely kill off everyone? I've decided that whenever one of these excercizes in pointless brutality gets shat onto The Leela Zone, I will rate it "0" just on general principal.


I have to agree with Kryten on this, I personally have no use for the fic type. On one level it isn't something I'd like to see happen to the characters (except Zapp!) and on another level it strikes me as a lazy plot device. At least TLZ labels the things clearly so I can leave them alone!
  no no
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #577 on: 01-29-2004 11:53 »

I don't think killing off characters is a bad thing as long as it is integral to the plot (see Universe of Malice) but I do agree this lot seem pointless. I guess if everyone just starts doing one style it get's dull. Varity is the spice of life after all.
Kryten

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« Reply #578 on: 01-29-2004 13:35 »

Yeah, in Universe of Malice, all the death actually has a point (except killing off Amy's babies... that was just cruel, okay?) The recent "Snuff fics" trend seems to just exist so that people can get off on their twisted violent fantasies.
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #579 on: 01-29-2004 14:20 »

I was wondering if that would be seen as too mean-spirited actually...  tongue

Anyway, I assume this relates to the recent story "Everybody Dies!" that went up yesterday. I read this too, and I agree... the whole thing just seemed nasty and cruel for no reason, even if it did turn out to not be real in the end. Maybe I wouldn't have minded if it was a suspense horror fic that was written well, but it wasn't... it came across as just needlessly cruel.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #580 on: 01-29-2004 14:28 »

Yeah, but you know what, you talk about variety being the spice of life but how many people have written shipper fics? I mean I'm certainly not saying that snuff fics are any better, hell no, but I get so bored of seeing fics focused on Fry and Leela's relationship that I find it hard to believe that anyone has any original ideas.  frown
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #581 on: 01-29-2004 14:42 »

You may very well be right. It is true there are alot of shipper fics out there. Yet varity can stil be present. Some of these shipper fics can be dramatic, romantic, soap opera like, comedic and just over the top in sentimentality.
What I guess I'm trying to say is that while you can choose a theme tat is common with many others, try and make the situations as different as possible.
Besides in this media saturated world there a very few things that can be considered orginal (While good, Harry Potter is hardly orginal). The best thing you can do is just to make it personal. Something that is distinctly you.
(Whoa I'm spewing cliches today)
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #582 on: 01-29-2004 14:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
Yeah, but you know what, you talk about variety being the spice of life but how many people have written shipper fics? I mean I'm certainly not saying that snuff fics are any better, hell no, but I get so bored of seeing fics focused on Fry and Leela's relationship that I find it hard to believe that anyone has any original ideas.   frown

A valid point, but I think any style of story depends on how well its done, and even shipper stories can be original and fresh if they are approached differently from normal. I generally don't like them to be honest, but that's just because far too many have Fry and Leela almost instantly falling into each others arms, sometimes a wedding, calling each other by their first names, etc. However, like I said, they can be different and original (e.g. Anarchist's A Second Chance) and are usually better if they fit in with the show more, and don't have Leela and Fry together, but just closer instead.

As for these recent snuff fics, the same thing can apply. As I said in the review above, if this was written like a horror-suspense, then I wouldn't have found it as poor. The trick is to at least show some emotions and respect for the characters who die, not to just have them purposefully slaughtered for no good reason. I think what it basically comes down to, with any style of fic, is how well it is written and how fresh the ideas are.
Kryten

Space Pope
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« Reply #583 on: 01-29-2004 15:03 »

 
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Originally posted by Kif White:
I was wondering if that would be seen as too mean-spirited actually...   tongue

Anyway, I assume this relates to the recent story "Everybody Dies!" that went up yesterday. I read this too, and I agree... the whole thing just seemed nasty and cruel for no reason, even if it did turn out to not be real in the end. Maybe I wouldn't have minded if it was a suspense horror fic that was written well, but it wasn't... it came across as just needlessly cruel.


That one, and also the one from today that sticks the characters on an island and has them proceed to murder each other in the most brutal and nauseating manner possible. I was so nauseous by the time Fry was killed that I couldn't even finish it. The writer went into such loving detail over the death that I'm convinced he's psychotic. I can just picture him literally typing this crap with one hand and masturbating with the other one. This isn't writing. It's pornography for sadists.

I have sincerely never been this angry about a fanfic before.

wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #584 on: 01-29-2004 15:25 »

I assume the one you are talking about Kryten is the one based on Battle Royale.
I have decided not to read the fic on principle. I have however seen the film, I thought the film was pretty good. The killing was what made it good it was how it was delt with by the characters in the film. Death should not be indiscriminant, it should have some meaning to the plot and/or the characters. (Well the death can be indiscriminant if it's indiscriminace is it's meaning ie war is indiscriminat in who it takes hence war is bad).

I guess it apllies to most things in a persons work. Events shold not just be something you can throw in and then ignore, they should have an impact on the characters. A lessons even I should probably learn.
Mouse On Venus

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #585 on: 01-29-2004 15:28 »

I'm not even gonna read it. If I wanted to see that kinda stuff I'd search the web for Goth sites. It's not at all what Futurama is about.  no no
Allen

Professor
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« Reply #586 on: 01-29-2004 15:43 »

I'm avoiding the fics as well. I learned, over time and numerous trips to the hospital for bleeding eyes, that Dwayne Anderson and Mattybwoy are not capable of writing good fics. Mattybwoy occasionally comes up with a good one, but not Dwayne Anderson for some reason. (He attempted a lameass Rugrats-Futurama crossover for your God's sake!) Anyway, I wouldn't read it unless you paid me to. Even then it would to be enough money to cover my hospital bills (bleeding eyes) and allow me to live debt free for the rest of my days.
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #587 on: 01-29-2004 15:55 »

Well against my better judgement (and my priciples ) I read Planet Express: the final story.

I can say without fear of contradiction that is was an unmitigating piece of crap. While it is obviously is based on Battle Royal it lack it's most basic points. The crew are put on an island with necklaces that will explode after a certain amount of time. The only way to survive is to kill everyone else. So they do. This is where the similarity ends. Gone is the hoplessness, the dispair. Gone is the concept of not killing until absolutly nessessary. No real comaradery. No real subtext to the fight. Even the idea of love and friendship in the face of adversity (the main theme of the film) has been removed.

Basically Kryten was right, this is not writing it's pornography for sadists.
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #588 on: 01-29-2004 16:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
 (except killing off Amy's babies... that was just cruel, okay?)

say what? Did i skip a chapter or something? My memory might not be the best in the world, but i doubt i would forget that. So i'll assume it was conversational sarcasm   tongue

But yeah, the island one was horrible. Both were but this one even more so. The basic idea of trying to force them to fight each other is kinda interesting, but them actually doing it without much argument was Lame. I'm a blood whore, i love gore. May blood rain from the sky. But i want it to rain with plot. In character, natural progression, the works. Gore is no fun if no one is reacting to it.
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #589 on: 01-29-2004 16:41 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
 say what? Did i skip a chapter or something? My memory might not be the best in the world, but i doubt i would forget that. So i'll assume it was conversational sarcasm    tongue

It happened in the last chapter. It wasn't focussed on first hand (i.e. Kif's offspring weren't actually seen getting killed), but the planet Amphibios 9 where they dwell was destroyed. It was a fairly prominent part of the chapter.

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Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #590 on: 01-29-2004 16:43 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2004 16:43 »

was it during the parts of the chapter that don't involve the main planet express crew? Cause i admit i kinda skip those parts.

Edit: never mind, went back and found it.
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #591 on: 01-29-2004 16:49 »

Well... That's just a shame, Venus. Personally it's kind of annoying... but more importantly, you're going to be missing out on a lot of stuff in the final chapter, because now everything is coming together and unless you know sections from the non-crew parts, a lot of it will probably not make sense or will simply have little impact.
Gort

Bending Unit
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« Reply #592 on: 01-29-2004 16:50 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2004 16:50 »

Can I ask your opinions on whether you think TLZ should have hosted these fics? I'm not saying that I'll enact upon what's said, for the site is the property of the webmasters at TLZ, but it will certainly be a good guide point and aid.

In my update, I sort of "joked" about the fics, but maybe that was betraying my initial uneasiness about putting them up. My personal opinion about them is similar in some ways to Kryten's: that they can be seen as pornography for sadists, or at least they could end up that way even if not intended that way by the authors. I wasn't too impressed with them as stories, and even thought of not putting them up due to their crude and unsophisticated content, but felt that maybe my own "sensitivity" was being unjust and unfair towards them as stories. That might sound silly, but I also didn't want to make TLZ some puritanical place where we're patronising towards our visitors' intelligence. We do censor stuff, and I personally think that such censorship is a good thing for the site, but it's also hard to know where to draw the line. Anyway, there are other places for the outlandish stuff to go to, where those inclined towards it can go to their heart's content. No site has to accept any type of conten in order for the webmasters to believe in general freedom of speech, etc; everyone's tastes can be catered in any way, where walls can be erected without imposing upon others' tastes, etc.

Anyway, part of me is uneasy for putting up such fics, but the other part of me feels that the fics have a right to go up and feel the wrath of the reader. Do you feel that these fics go beyond any form of moral/ethical line that shouldn't have been allowed to be breached? Do you feel that such fics have a place in the Futurama online "community"? Do you think that they should go up, but that they should also be subject to public scrutiny?

Again, I'm just wondering whether us at TLZ (well, myself actually) did the right thing in publishing these fics despite the extreme content.

Another thing I'm worried about is that seeing I've allowed for such types of fics, will we now get a flood of ethically worse ones... hope not. Think I'm worrying too much? Want to do my thinking for me?   wink
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #593 on: 01-29-2004 16:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Kif White:
Well... That's just a shame, Venus. Personally it's kind of annoying... but more importantly, you're going to be missing out on a lot of stuff in the final chapter, because now everything is coming together and unless you know sections from the non-crew parts, a lot of it will probably not make sense or will simply have little impact.

i know, i'm sorry. But when i first starting reading the fic, i just couldn't get into the military bits, cause i generally don't like military stories, so i started skipping them and now i've missed to much to pick up reading those bits again. Just Zapp and Kif together really don't interest me unless they are interacting with the P.S. crew and i'm no more interested in them when they are apart.
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #594 on: 01-29-2004 16:59 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2004 16:59 »

@Gort

I may be repeating myself (I'm not sure my short term memory is not great) but I think that extrem content can be fine as long as there is a good reason for it. It should alos probably also have some kind of Ethical or moral subtext to it.

If it was my choice I might have censored these works but I think the best choice is to give a warning. At the end of the day if people want to read it they are going too but for those who may be wary a warning may stop them from  proceding futher.
Mouse On Venus

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #595 on: 01-29-2004 17:00 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2004 17:00 »

Venus: You're not interested in much when it comes to Futurama, are you?   roll eyes
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #596 on: 01-29-2004 17:06 »

what do you mean? Futurama is more than military zapp/kif escapades. That's just one aspect that i don't care for just like shippy content is one aspect some others don't care for.
Mouse On Venus

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #597 on: 01-29-2004 17:12 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2004 17:12 »

Yeah, and you also don't care for Fry having eyes for another woman, according to what you've said elsewhere.

I read Dave Vincent's "Background Noise" fic in its entirety, even if it was heavy going in some parts. Why? Because everything he included in there was there for a reason, not just a bunch of parallel storylines that you can pick and choose from, and I suspect UoM is the same (yes, Kif, I haven't got round to reading it yet I'm afraid  red face) so the least you could've done is judged the story on its merits rather than getting caught up in your own personal taste.
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #598 on: 01-29-2004 17:15 »

I agree with Venus. While yes I think the military parts are well written, they are not something that interests me personally. Same goes for pollitics, pollitics bores the crap out of me.
While I the DOOP parts do not interest me, I do enjoy the Zapp parts especially when he was with Baldar. Those bit's were great.
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #599 on: 01-29-2004 17:16 »

Well, to be honest, I suspected that a few readers may have been skipping some parts, just from general comments. Like I said, annoying for me, but in the end they're the ones missing out, and it'll show when they read the last part. Its designed to be separate stories loosely related that come together at the end, NOT separate stories that have no impact on each other.

Now, that aside, I'll comment on what Gort said. Whether a fic should be banned or not go up depends on its individual content and the extent and style of it, IMHO. I've refused to put up fics at TLZ myself, be they overly raunchy, contain too much pointless swearing, being of particuarly bad taste or all of these things. I personally try to judge it based on basically how tasteless it is really. If it's far too tasteless, it gets the boot from me. On the other hand, sometimes a really poor fic can go up and get the bad reviews it deserves, in which case justice can sometimes be served in that way. One example recently at TLZ came in the form of a fic called "The Frycho Chronicles" I was asked to put up. I read it, and it contained ALL the bad attributes I mentioned above, so I refused to put it up. The author snuck it through later though via another webmaster, and the fic got through for about a week. When I discovered this, it was removed and a warning was sent to the author. Take note though, the story was the lowest ranked fiction voting wise during its time there, so it got what it deserved.

I suppose it comes down to personal opinion. We'll ban stuff we're sent if we feel its too tasteless, but if stuff slips through, the best you can do as readers is give it the votes it deserves. And if a particular fic is overly tasteless, feel free to request its removal. We at TLZ like to pride ourselves in the quality of our content.  smile
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