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Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #120 on: 04-11-2004 18:51 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:And I don't get all the anger over the Monroe gag.  I thought it was hysterical.  Does it really matter if they disrupt a very small piece of continuity by bringing him back anyway?  Its not like they had Bleeding Gums Murphy crawl out of his grave.

 I wasn't angry about it. I just didn't think it was anywhere near as hillarious as you and Uns did.

 And did you really think it was a good episode? 'coz it was exactly the sort of jackassery prominent in this episode that put me off the series in the first place. Still, I will admit the story wasn't too bad.
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« Reply #121 on: 04-11-2004 19:17 »
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well I didn't think the Monroe gag was hilarious I just thought it was quite amusing.

To pick you on a few points Homer oafishness is there so he can lose his job and to develop Marge's anger in writing the book the way she did yes he does a few wacky things that aren't funny but some of it is. (I know if I take this sign out the window they'll pay me to make a new one)  and anyway it wasn't the centre stage of the story anyway. The emotinal aspect was there as a twist ending I cant see how else The plot would have resolved so it seems quite natrual to me.

To be honest I'm shocked and appalled how dare you have an opinion thats different to mine I just cant belive this.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #122 on: 04-11-2004 19:30 »

Not as shocked and appalled as I am that you even have your own opinion.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #123 on: 04-11-2004 20:37 »

To be clear, my comment about the "anger" over the Monroe gag was mostly in response to the general reception of that joke, including at the NHC.  Some people like myself loved that gag, but many were angered by it. 

I didn't see a "jerkassy" problem.  Homer was being Homer; well meaning, but often clueless and sometimes a jerk.  Its not like he pushed Marge off a cliff or something.  He was just being his usual clueless, thoughtless self that traces all the way back to "Life on the Fast Lane".  And at the end he realizes the error of his ways and gets advice from Flanders.

I didn't like the ambulence stuff, mind you.  Not because there was anything wrong with characterization, but just because the "Captain wacky gets a job" stuff has been so overplayed that its not funny anymore.  But the main story was well done, if hardly deep.
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« Reply #124 on: 04-11-2004 21:01 »

"The Ziff Who Came To Dinner" tonight was much better than before for some reason.

F -> B-

I agree with Kent. "What the...?"  big grin

And the upcoming episodes sound good. Especially "The Way We Wasn't"
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« Reply #125 on: 04-11-2004 21:45 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
To be clear, my comment about the "anger" over the Monroe gag was mostly in response to the general reception of that joke, including at the NHC.  Some people like myself loved that gag, but many were angered by it.

I did say that it was the worst part of the episode, but I didn't necessarily hate it. It's just that, compared to the rest of the episode, it was the weakest aspect. I'm really probably being overly critical, but I can be a stickler for continuity. Anyway, although I didn't like the fact that he came back, I thought that his explaination, "I was very sick" (or something like that) was funny. So basically what I'm saying is, the whole concept of bringing him back was pretty pointless, IMO, but the joke itself was funny.

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« Reply #126 on: 04-11-2004 21:49 »

MUST SEE EXELENT END OF SEASON 15 IN MAY ON FOX!
Gorky

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« Reply #127 on: 04-11-2004 22:02 »

Definitely looking forward to May (particularly what appears to be the season finale, "The Way We Weren't" ), as both Leelaholic and Woodbot said.

Oh, and I agree Leelaholic, "The Ziff Who Came to Dinner" is definitely better upon a second viewing. The Enron satires are stronger and the jokes seem stronger. I mean, how can you not laugh at the "Daddy's on fire; Daddy's not on fire" joke? Or the Blair Witch Project parody up in the attic. Some great stuff. For me:

D -> B
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« Reply #128 on: 04-11-2004 22:22 »
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I saw "Co-Dependent's Day."  I think the word is 'blah.'  It wasn't the worst episode I've seen, but it wasn't good.  I smiled a few times, but whatever good stuff it had was overtaken by bad jokes and a bad plot.  And how did that 'lost Shakespeare play' bit make it in?  Man, that was lame.
Gorky

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« Reply #129 on: 04-11-2004 22:31 »

I actually found "Co-Dependents Day" to be an okay episode, maybe a B. But I must agree that the Shakspeare play bit was pretty stupid.
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« Reply #130 on: 04-12-2004 14:24 »

 
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Originally posted by Gorky:
 It also conflicts with the Dr. Marvin Monroe Memorial Wing in the hospital, seen in the 2-parter "Who Shot Mr. Burns?".

No it doesn't. You can have a memorial to someone who isn't dead. My school has a memorial to a pupil who went off to win the Nobel Prize, and yet he wasn't dead (at the time of the memorial construction).

I thought the joke was hilarious, because of it's blatent disregard for continuity. The episode itself wasn't that great (certainly better than 12/13, it would be an around average episode for the past few years). But the Marvin Monroe joke was great, because it was so lame. The excuse "I've been sick" I found hilarious. At that moment I could just imagine thousands of people logging on to rage. But hey, I'm one guy.
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« Reply #131 on: 04-12-2004 17:28 »

Exactly The writers are probably happy they could annoy people so much (I'm not looking at anyone here.)  by that disregard for continuity.

I'm noticing with season 15 episodes are getting really mixed reviews and people are enjoy them a lotmore on 2nd viewing.
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« Reply #132 on: 04-12-2004 17:29 »

I am glad Dr. Marvin Monroe is back.


Watch Arrested Development at
8:30pm on FOX!
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #133 on: 04-12-2004 17:36 »

And Harry Shearer's voice sounded as strained as ever.  laff
Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #134 on: 04-12-2004 17:49 »

Yeah  smile I think that's why they got rid of Monroe to begin with.
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« Reply #135 on: 04-12-2004 20:15 »
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yes it is.

well maybe not. i just remember that harry was happy because they killed him.
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« Reply #136 on: 04-13-2004 02:11 »

Eh, I don't care at this point of the show.
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« Reply #137 on: 04-13-2004 13:39 »

Gettin offtopic for just a second as I could not find a thred that dealed solely with this subject.  I am planning on buying one of the Simpsons box sets they have seasons 1-3 released over here and am wondering which season you people reccomend.  I am leaning towards season 3 but would like to know your "expert" opinions.
leelaholic

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« Reply #138 on: 04-13-2004 13:42 »

Season 3, definitely. Classics like "Separate Vocations", "Homer at the Bat", "Like Father, Like Clown", "Lisa the Greek", "Radio Bart", etc. are well worth the money.  smile
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« Reply #139 on: 04-13-2004 13:48 »

I concur; of the sets which are available right now - Season Three.

It's one of my two absolute favourite seasons (the other being 4), and for me this was when the writing, animation, voice acting was all at it's best. The only real episode I'm not too keen on in the S3 box set is "When Flanders Failed" (I can't stand the ending, for one thing) - but then you've got episodes like "Stark Raving Dad", "Seperate Vocations" and "Burns Verkaufen Der Kraftwerk", plus the other 20 episodes to offset that. And "When Flanders Failed" isn't really that bad.

And of course, my favourite opening sequence in the form of "Bart's Friend Falls in Love".  wink
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« Reply #140 on: 04-13-2004 14:43 »

Wait, I forgot how "When Flanders Failed" ended.
davierocks

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« Reply #141 on: 04-13-2004 14:46 »
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From my recollection Homer helped Flanders out by sending all the left handed (and some right) people he knew to the store.  If that is the right episode.  I am not too up to speed with my Simpsons episode titles.
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« Reply #142 on: 04-13-2004 15:05 »

That's the one, the part that bothers some people is the sickingly cheesy "whole town bursts into song" ending.
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« Reply #143 on: 04-13-2004 15:20 »

I believe the whole thing is supposed to be a "It's A Wonderful Life" parody. Problem is, I've never seen "It's A Wonderful Life".  tongue
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« Reply #144 on: 04-13-2004 16:43 »

"It's a wonderful life" is a great movie.

When Flanders Failed is a great episode.

To get back to topic, I have Simpsons dvd 1,2, and 3, and you can't go wrong with either one.  If I had to choose, i'd go with season 2.
Gorky

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« Reply #145 on: 04-13-2004 20:35 »

Well, davierocks, I think that it depends on what you're buying the DVD for; the episodes, commentaries, features, or a combination of the three. If you're buying for sheer quality of episodes, I would have to say season 3. It has some of the greetest greatest episodes of the series, in my opinion. There's "Stark Raving Dad", "When Flanders Failed", "Flaming Moes", "Lisa's Pony", "Lisa the Greek", "Homer at the Bat", "Seperate Vocations", and "Colonel Homer".

However, if you're buying them because you've seen all of the episodes and you just want to hear the commentaries, I would suggest season 2. Don't get me wrong, season 1 and 3's are great, but some commentaries are lacking in both sets (for example, season 3's have some very long pauses and aren't that fun to listen to). In my opinion, season 2's are the most consistently entertaining and informative.

Of course, if it were me, I'd buy season 1 first, simply because I would want to buy all of the sets in order. But, for your purposes, overall I would say that you should buy season 3.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #146 on: 04-13-2004 22:46 »

Season two for a few reasons.

One is simply that its better as an actual set.  Better features, better presentation.  You get more for your money if you want something other then just the episodes.  I think it even has more restored syndication cuts then season three, but don't quote me on that.

Secondly: I actually think it may be the best set of episodes out so far.  Don't get me wrong, season three is great as well, and its a tough call whether season two or three is better (for the record I vehemently disagree with anyone who says 3 is where the show "hit its stride".  That was "Bart the General" ).  But, in times of that sort of crisis you can just look at which one has the VERY BEST episode between the two.  And since "Lisa's Substitute" is my favorite episode of all time, season two pulls ahead.

That said I reccomend all of this if possible, including season one.  But if you're buying only one I'd say season two is the best deal.  The price may even be lower then three right now since its been out for close to two years now.

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« Reply #147 on: 04-14-2004 01:16 »
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I only have one (Simpsons) DVD set so far, and I chose 2 over 3, though it was a tough choice.  The main reason I chose 2 was beause it had more episodes that I had rarely seen, as well as more episodes that I considered to be top-rung (but not by much).  I'm planning on getting them all, but 2 was my first choice. I think it should depend on your personal tastes regarding the episodes, though. Unless you are on a budget, then get #1.

Note: I am getting season 3 pretty soon with my birthday money, though... just thought I'd add that for no reason.

Note2: Does anyone think that they will ever release the Ullman shorts on DVD (preferably as a stand-alone release), or are there some legal problems or something? I know that I would buy them.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #148 on: 04-14-2004 01:51 »

The shorts have legal issues (and Fox was only willing to pay the "owners" enough for the first short).  I asked a certain member of the NHC who is very, shall we say, knowledgable about this stuff what the specific dealio is with them but haven't gotten a response yet.  I'm not sure if they're owned by the "Ullman" producers or what. 

One guess might be that it has to do with them being animated by Klasky Csupo, instead of Film Roman.   Film Roman took over for the animation starting with season four, and it may be that the shorts were technically "owned" by Klasky Csupo and thus were more difficult to obtain.  Apparently all of that is at least partially the reason that we haven't had deleted scenes yet (and why we're getting deleted scenes on season four apparently).
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« Reply #149 on: 04-14-2004 15:39 »

mmmm Deleted scenes gluugluggg
Ranadok

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« Reply #150 on: 04-14-2004 15:59 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
The shorts have legal issues (and Fox was only willing to pay the "owners" enough for the first short).  I asked a certain member of the NHC who is very, shall we say, knowledgable about this stuff what the specific dealio is with them but haven't gotten a response yet.  I'm not sure if they're owned by the "Ullman" producers or what. 

One guess might be that it has to do with them being animated by Klasky Csupo, instead of Film Roman.   Film Roman took over for the animation starting with season four, and it may be that the shorts were technically "owned" by Klasky Csupo and thus were more difficult to obtain.  Apparently all of that is at least partially the reason that we haven't had deleted scenes yet (and why we're getting deleted scenes on season four apparently).

That's pretty much what I was expecting.  (I assume by "a certain member of the NHC who is very, shall we say, knowledgable about this stuff" you mean RMIII?)
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« Reply #151 on: 04-14-2004 16:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Ranadok:
 That's pretty much what I was expecting.  (I assume by "a certain member of the NHC who is very, shall we say, knowledgable about this stuff" you mean RMIII?)

Yeah, I guess its pretty obvious isn't it?  wink RMIII hasn't been on the board in the last few days I think, but when he comes again (I'm sure by Sunday he'll appear again) hopefully he'll send me a response.  I've been curious myself as I would love a disc (even a seperate one) of all the shorts.  They could even put a "play all" feature on it with an audio commentary track, and maybe a pop up trivia feature.  I'd buy it as soon as possible.
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« Reply #152 on: 04-14-2004 16:30 »
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    I would love that, too, but I wonder how motivated Fox would be to produce such a disk, considering they still have 11+ seasons to release on DVD, all of which they could sell for a higher price than  one or two disks of two minute shorts...  Factoring in any cost that they may have in getting the rights to them from whoever has them, and I would expect the shorts to not appear on DVD for quite some time, perhaps only after the rest of the seasons are out on DVD or shortly before the movie comes out, for promotional purposes.
     Another problem would be how well they would sell. I would expect them to be extemely popular among the dedicated fanbase, but in the (more important) mainstream market... that's questiontionable.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #153 on: 04-14-2004 17:01 »

That's true.  It might work best as a "bonus" for buyers willing to pay extra for one of the regular season sets.  Not part of one of the sets themselves, but sold with them.  That is actually a good point about the movie; depending on when it comes out maybe they'll finally release them then, when interest in the Simpsons would likely be at a peak.
leelaholic

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« Reply #154 on: 04-14-2004 17:23 »

If they do release the Ullman shorts, I think that this would be a sweet DVD cover art...
Ranadok

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« Reply #155 on: 04-14-2004 17:37 »

Perhaps not that exactly, but something along the lines of old compared to new would be good (Though, I doubt that they would leave the new, more familiar designs off completely).
bender+fry

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« Reply #156 on: 04-14-2004 20:24 »

yeah. people might think it was some cheesy rip-off and not buy it if the new simpsons were nowhere to be seen.
Gorky

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« Reply #157 on: 04-15-2004 17:17 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
That's true. It might work best as a "bonus" for buyers willing to pay extra for one of the regular season sets.  Not part of one of the sets themselves, but sold with them.

That would definitely be the best way to go. If you were going to sell the sets with that bonus (for those willing to pay more), than the DVD would sell more copies (most likely) because I'm sure that many of the buyers who buy the box sets wouldn't mind paying extra for such a great bonus disk.

And, if Fox actually did decide to release the shorts with the sets, they could eliminate the idea of a higher price by simply adding a few shorts to each disk (of course Fox wouldn't make as much per set, but they would probably ultimately make more money by selling more copies of the set becase of the low price). But even then the price of the set might go up, only because the Ullmans as a special feature is so valuable, and the price for the rights to use the shorts would add to the production cost of the box sets.

Of course this is all just an optimism, because Fox may be reluctant to pay the price for the rights from Klasky-Csupo. Unless the movie, as DotheBartman said, grossed a lot of cash, then the price for the rights wouldn't be as big a factor and Fox would recoup their costs due to the interest in the show. 
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #158 on: 04-15-2004 19:34 »

I can't wait for Season 4!
Some of the best episodes are in there.


 
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 "Separate Vocations",     smile
A bit off topic,but I was born the day that episode aired.


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« Reply #159 on: 04-15-2004 20:45 »

My birthday is April 19, the premiere date of the first Ullman short.

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