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Don't forget the crappy Chicken lunches.
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bender+fry
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i think those people dont watch it and think about it, they just watch it and brag about the good parts to their friends.
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Professor
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Its true there still plenty of good idea available, but Brake My wife please a particulary bad one howerver. generally the plots all dont feel so disjointed. I mean people complain about the Irellervant first acts, but it had always been a trademark of the show, its just now there are some that connect in pretty obscure ways, but its often funny so it doesn't really matter, The scene of Maggie being locked in the bathroom in 'Today I am a Clown for example.'
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Professor
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I think Groening and Brooks will stop the show when it passes 20 seasons. In fact I have an Idea that Brooks and Groening should Produce the last season or 2. Knowing it will be the last.
After Season 16 of course it seems Jean may Go and write the Movie so maybe they'll have to find a new showrunner. For me I'd say either bring back Oakley and Weinstein or If possible Jon Vitti. Thoughts on that anyone else?
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus: Schwarzwelder wouldn't do it, but he should. Its Swartzwelder by the way and I belive he had been given the option to as well as George Meyer but they both turned it down so then they resorted to Scully. Originally posted by Shadowstar: What, be show-runner? He's written some bad episodes recently. But he was a good writer. But so was Mike Scully, and now he's a bad writer AND was a bad executive producer! I'm torn.
Its really hard to tell who would be best. I mean Scully's work turned out good becuase of his bosses being Mirkin and Oakley & Weinstein and probably the work of other good writers. Which is why Jeans era still isn't perfect because there's probably a lot of other bad writers there presumably hired by Scully. Incidentlly we can blame Mirkin for bringing Scully in. But over time Jean should get rid of some crappy ones and bring better ones in Bill Odenkirk came in this season along with J. Stewart Burns who was already there. But still for all we know Ian-Maxtone-Graham could be the best writer there, and If he just really boned up on all the Simpsons history he would be perfect for showrunner and bring the show into a new era of greatness. But somehow I doubt it.
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Professor
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« Reply #497 on: 03-08-2004 18:38 »
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Well I saw his name credited as one of three Supervising Producers on 'Today I am A Clown' So either They need a 'Written by' credit or its too recent.
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Professor
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« Reply #499 on: 03-08-2004 18:46 »
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Why dont you trust me I'm not expecting much though because thats got mostly very Bad Reviews even at The No Homers Club. On second thoughts maybe that means It'll be good
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Gorky
DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #502 on: 03-08-2004 21:53 »
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I watched "Marge Vs. Etc..." last night, and my opinion on it hasn't changed a bit. I was surprised that Jon Vitti, a great writer of such classics as "Simpson and Delilah" and "Lisa's Substitute" (although keep in mind they were both in the excellent second season) could produce such a genuinely bad episode. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see him writing for the show, but I hope future episodes by him will be better. Didn't Mr. Vitti actually write some episodes in season 13 as well as the seasons after? I recall him being the writer of (I think) "Little Girl in the Big Ten". If memory serves me right (which it normally doesn't), he wrote on and off for the show after (about) season 6, at which point he served as a member of the staff on "The Critic". Of course he had a producing credit on The Simpsons at certain points, but many people on the staff are credited as producers, so the title may not reflect how much input that that person has. But, as it has already been stated, what I can gather is that Jon Vitti isn't as involved as he was 11 or 12 years ago in the process of producing the show. For those who are keeping track, Vitti has written two shows (so far) for season 15. As for both Vitti and Meyer turning down show-runner positions, I can't say that I blame them. I'm not entirely sure, but I consider the two of them (along with John Swartzwelder) to be rather quiet. If you listen to Al Jean and Mike Reiss, who ran the show as a team in seasons 3 and 4, they appear to have that certain thing that one needs to be able to run an institution, which The Simpsons has become. In my opinion, they are brilliant writers, but not fit to be show runners.
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bender+fry
Professor
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[Commmentary] Once you make them stupider, you cant bring them back. [/Commentary]
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Professor
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Actually In some first season episodes Marge was even stupider then because the characters were undefined and developed. To be honest though I kind of agree on Marge its one character Jean hasn't really fixed, although to be fair Marges character has never quite settled completley in any season. Its sill a step up from The Stupid Psychotic, Obsessive compulsive (I think thats the right term sorry If I'm getting it confused with something else) Marge Of The Scully era.
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bender+fry
Professor
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Mr. Burns should be a balding, bitter, smart, billionare. When he is, hes just great.
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Nurdbot
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc: Marge said a crapy line in the 1st act The Simpsons - Tis The Fifteenth Season.
Marge: Let's shop till we droop.
What a crapy line. You forgot the second P, moron.
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Professor
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« Reply #512 on: 03-09-2004 17:19 »
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Well Burns More Sympathetic side came in Season 2 with Blood Feud, With Oakley and Weinstein it wasn't so much a senile clown as much that they seemed to be suggesting he was about 150 and had no concept of anything invented beyond the 1920's Its good to give him a more Sympathetic senile helpless side I like that aspect a lot but The main example comes in Homer The Smithers. Where It may have been taken a little too far.(although The idea of his mother still being alive is truly hilarious.) That said there were moments in Raging Abe Simpson where he was more evil than ever before. Mountain Of Madness in season 8 which I consider possibly one of the funniest ever. Did have a good blend of his two charcteristics. Originally posted by Mouse On Venus: In some ways I think it's a shame that The Simpsons is so extensively group written because it allows little individual talent of the credited writer to shine through. In Futurama at least, some of the credited writer shone through, with episodes from Ken Keeler, Lew Morton and Eric Horsted being fine examples. Yeah They have a ridculous number of producers now. They probably credited even if they had virtually no influence on an episode at all. Its going to take about 5 minutes to see odenkirks name on sunday by the way. I read an interview with George Meyer from a few years ago in which he said that the show did use to have a much more indvidual flavour where you really could tell a Jon Vitti script from a John Swartzwelder script. he also said that its more of an extensive room write as opposed to re-write now. I guess its why a lot of crappy jokes slip through.
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bender+fry
Professor
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did anyone get simpsons gone wild? i want to know what the featurette was like.
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leelaholic
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc: Marge said a crapy line in the 1st act The Simpsons - Tis The Fifteenth Season.
Marge: Let's shop till we droop.
What a crapy line. It was meant to be a crappy line. It's one of those jokes where Marge tries to say some phrase and fails miserably. Personally, I thought it was hilarious.
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Professor
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Yeah there was one bad line I mean come on simpsons is rubbish now
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