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Nurdbot

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« Reply #440 on: 03-05-2004 11:26 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Coming soon from The Simpsons...

The Simpsons Go Wild!

Worst DVD idea ever.

I mean, what do these episodes even have in common?? (other than the fact that they all suck, of course)

Have an acid enema instead of buying this, it's a lot more exciting and healthy.
Ranadok

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« Reply #441 on: 03-05-2004 12:48 »

Actors: Tony Blair?  Huh? I didn't think he was in any episodes until Regina Monologues.  Either way, I'll be sure to pick up this set!

Replace "pick up" with eat, and "this set" with a sandwich
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« Reply #442 on: 03-05-2004 13:11 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Yup. Nobody is going to change their opinion (especially when they haven't watched a single episode this season and have a knack for stirring up trouble for no reason

Hypocrite, as if that's not stirring up trouble itself. you're the one who won't let go, and constantly bring me into matters which are nothing to do with me.

Also, on a more important note, about the new DVD. I can't believe that those eps were chosen. I've been wondering what eps were gonna get chosen for the next Simpsons comp, and secretly hoping for 'Trilogy of Error' to be chosen for it (so that I don't have to buy the whole of Season 12 to get it) ...if it ever comes out anyway...
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« Reply #443 on: 03-05-2004 13:13 »

That would be cool, some sort of special-format collection. It would likely be clogged with all of those other trilogy episodes, though.
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« Reply #444 on: 03-05-2004 14:24 »
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Sorry I double posted. Ignore this.
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« Reply #445 on: 03-05-2004 14:25 »

My holdover ratings

[When Flanders Failed 3.25/5
-Stark Raving Dad 3.25/5
-A Streetcar Named Marge 5/5
-Kamp Krusty 4/5
-Homer's Barbershop Quartet 5/5
-Cape Feare 5/5
-Bart of Darkness 4/5
-Lisa's Rival 4.5/5
-Radioactive Man 4.5/5
-Who Shot Mr. Burns Part 2 4.25/5
-You Only Move Twice 5/5
-The Mysterious Voyage of Homer 5/5
-The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson 4/5
-The Principal and the Pauper 2.5/5
-Lisa the Simpson 5/5
-When You Dish Upon a Star 3/5
-Lard of the Dance 2.75/5
-Wizard of Evergreen Terrace 3.75/5
-Bart the Mother 4/5
-E-I-E-I-D'oh 3.25/5
-Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner? 3.75/5
-Brother's Little Helper 4/5
-Beyond Blunder dome 2.75/5
-Insane Clown Poppy 3/5
-A Tale of Two Springfields 2/5
-Treehouse of Horror XI 3/5
-HOMR 4/5
-A Hunka Hunka Burns in Love 2.5/5
-THOH XII 2.5/5
-Homer the Moe 2.25/5
-The Blunder Years 3.25/5
-The Parent Rap 2.75/5
-Large Marge 2.75/5
-THOH XIII 2.75/5
-Bart vs. Lisa vs. the 3rd Grade 2.75/5
-Helter Shelter 1.5/5
-How I Spent My Strummer Vacation N/A
-My Mother the Carjacker 3.99/5
-The Fat and the Furriest 3/5
-The President Wore Pearls 4.5/5
-THOH XIV 3.25/5
-The Regina Monologues 3/5


Well there you go I'd probably want to change these if I looked at them in a few hours time. but here it is for now.

Shadowstar

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« Reply #446 on: 03-05-2004 15:29 »

All of those collections are totally bullshit. What's the point, when they'll all be on the season sets? The Halloween, Xmas, and all of those other Region 2 sets seem so shabby and it's like they just threw four eps on a disc and put it on the shelves. It's a waste. This newest "Wild" set is even more of a waste. Three horrible episodes and one adequate one. What's the point?
leelaholic

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« Reply #447 on: 03-05-2004 16:07 »

For a good DVD, I would've picked...

1. "Mother Simpson" (Best. Episode. Ever!)
2. "Cape Feare"
3. "Kamp Krusty"
4. "Rosebud"

But it doesn't matter. They'll all be on season sets sooner or later.
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« Reply #448 on: 03-05-2004 16:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Shadowstar:
All of those collections are totally bullshit. What's the point, when they'll all be on the season sets? The Halloween, Xmas, and all of those other Region 2 sets seem so shabby and it's like they just threw four eps on a disc and put it on the shelves. It's a waste. This newest "Wild" set is even more of a waste. Three horrible episodes and one adequate one. What's the point?
[FOX Executive]*Rubs his finger and thumb together* ....[/FOX Executive]
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« Reply #449 on: 03-05-2004 16:48 »

Personally, I'd pick "Marge vs the Monorail", "Round Springfield", "You Only Move Twice" (hey, I liked it!  wink) and "Lisa's Wedding" as a DVD.

And then I wouldn't buy it, because as Shadowstar says, what's the point? I'd rather have complete season box sets.

However, I think FOX realises that these episodes won't see the light of day for a decade if the current rate of release holds, and by that time everyone will realise exactly how bad they are.  wink
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« Reply #450 on: 03-05-2004 18:24 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
For a good DVD, I would've picked...

1. "Mother Simpson" (Best. Episode. Ever!)
2. "Cape Feare"
3. "Kamp Krusty"
4. "Rosebud"

But it doesn't matter. They'll all be on season sets sooner or later.

Now there's a DVD i'd pay hard-earned money for!
PCC Fred

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« Reply #451 on: 03-05-2004 18:36 »

The BBC have gained a license to produse a Simpsons DVD of their own.  The episodes are:

1. Kamp Krusty
2. Kamp Krusty
3. Kamp Krusty
4. Kamp Krusty
Gorky

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« Reply #452 on: 03-05-2004 19:32 »
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First of all, regarding this DVD, I think that the episodes they chose were really pathetic (with the exception of "Homer's Night Out" ). According to this site, "Sunday, Cruddy Sunday", "The Mansion Family", and "Homer the Moe" are 'classic' episodes. Granted, they would call a season 16 episode classic, even though it hasn't even aired yet, but that's no excuse for the terrible episode selections. Regardless, I'm going to review these four episodes.

"Homer's Night Out"- This isn't my favorite episode from the first season, I must admit (that spot goes to "Moaning Lisa" ), but still a solid show. The entire plot seems rather risque considering it was early 1990, but it is actually a heartwarming episode if you look at it today. You see Homer make a mistake, but it's not one of those "La, la, la, I'm Homer Simpson, who cares about you" plots that are reminicent of Scully's era. He redeems himself by the end of the episode, but as you are watching you can still be mad at him and feel sorry for him all at the same time. Grade: 4/5 or a B

"Sunday, Cruddy Sunday"- What can I say? This is one of those episodes that, like "The Telltale Head" has many credited writers for the script. The difference between the two was that "The Telltale Head" was a good episode, while "Sunday, Cruddy Sunday" was awful (in my opinion, of course). If you had simply taken the plot of "Homer goes to the Super Bowl", you would think that the resulting script would have been an okay one. But, when you look at it, Homer is really starting to become "Captain Wacky". Grade: 1/5 or a D/F

"The Mansion Family": John Swartzwelder has written some outstanding episodes, but this is not one of them. This one, as in "Cruddy, Cruddy Sunday" seems to have a lot of potential, but your result is a horrible episode. Grade: 1/5 or a D/F

"Homer The Moe"- This one is not as bad as the previous two episodes, but it wasn't all that great. Moe episodes can usually become respectable ones that you can remember in a positive light, but this one really isn't. Homer seemed to not neccessarily be "Captain Wacky" or a big jerk, but he just wasn't "Homer". Moe was okay, but all in all, the script wasn't that strong. Poor writing and bad characters gets you a bad episode. Grade: 2/5 or a C

Two things. One, you may have noticed that I didn't give any episode a 0/5, which would have to be an F-, or a completely horrible episode that you can't possibly stand to watch. None of these were really like that, in my opinion.
Second, I'm a bit upset that all of these are pretty much "Homer" episodes. Not like I'd plan on running out to buy this DVD, it's just that if it were me shelling out my dough, I wouldn't want to get one episode that I could get on the superb season one DVD boxed set, and 3 terrible "Captain Wacky" episodes that I don't particularly like in the first place.
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« Reply #453 on: 03-05-2004 20:55 »

Aside from the title of "The Simpsons Go Wild!," what exactly connects all these episodes? Is it their inclusion of Captain Wacky instead of normal Homer?
Shadowstar

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« Reply #454 on: 03-05-2004 21:00 »

They all involve Homer's wacky adventures? I don't know, they all suck! ("Homer's Night Out" is pretty good, but the other three ARE NOT)
evan

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« Reply #455 on: 03-05-2004 23:22 »

Okay, I went to see Mike Reiss (exec. producer of the Simpsons, but you know that!) speak at a lecture at my university tonight, and I have to share this quote.

"So the Simpsons go to Africa and there are monkeys mining for diamonds? What the fuck was that?"
DotheBartman

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« Reply #456 on: 03-05-2004 23:26 »
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Yeah, I've heard that Reiss quote before (I guess he repeats it).  Its good stuff.

Also, true story: Even the producers of the show would probably disagree with "Homer the Moe" being a "classic".  They were very worried about it during production.  R.E.M. was put in there to compensate, and animation director Jen Kamerman was so angry she never watched the episode on tv.

EDIT: I think the "Go Wild" title refers to each episode involving characters partying in somewhat risque ways.  All the dumbass partying in Sunday, Cruddy Sunday.  The stag party in Homer's Night Out.  And of course the dumbass yacht party in The Mansion Family.  I'm not sure about Homer the Moe, actually, but I guess they sort of "party" in Homer's bar.

It's a pretty poorly concieved concept though, of course.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #457 on: 03-06-2004 00:17 »

Good job, evan. But did you get him to autograph a one dollar bill for you? Because if not, then I have totally kicked your ass.

Also, "R.E.M. was put in there to compensate"? That makes me want to slap everyone involved in the production of that show. Except for some of the cool animation people, like Jen whats-her-name and possibly Sarge Morton.
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« Reply #458 on: 03-06-2004 07:48 »

I've heard quite a bit about Jen Kamerman whinning about episodes, she apparently hated the tennis episode, I know she got KTAAR Presumably she hated it to. I dont think she works there anymore, but I belive she'd been a layout for artist for about 10 years or something and by the time she worked her way up the show it was crap.
It reminds me off the additonal commentary to 'Stark raving Dad' Mike Reiss says there was a woman who did the layout of the song they play for Lisa, and the producers read some comments that she posted (on a very early) on the internet.
saying she just had to layout the worst scene, the show has lost its edge. I suspect it could have been her for some reason, she's probably   someone who always whines about the show.

and Why the Hell would a guest apperance improve the show. and If the producers were worried about that why were'nt they worried about 'Africa' 'Alligator' and many other from season 11 and 12, did they worry that Homers adventure wasn't whacky enough.
Gorky

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« Reply #459 on: 03-06-2004 09:45 »

I think that, in the producers minds, if you put in a guest star, then you have a better chance of the particular episode being remembered. In my opinion, R.E.M. is not a memorable guest star, but then again I could be wrong about a guest star being thrown in to spice things up.
Keep in mind, in seasons 11 and 12, the show was at its worst (with the exception of a few good episodes). I think that Scully, the then-show ruiner (that's not a typo), thought that an episode like "Kill the Alligator and Run" or "Simpson Safari" was good. Or, maybe he just couldn't get a guest star.
Because of Homer's wackiness, adding a guest star for no reason could have been looked upon as a bad idea. For example, if the Simpsons had been in Africa and, for no reason R.E.M., or somebody else, had shown up, the episode would have been even worse.
So, a guest star can help an episode or hurt it. In the case of "Homer the Moe", it wasn't one of the wackier episodes of season 13, so, in my opinion, you can in a way buy the fact that R.E.M. showed up in Springfield better than you would have if they had been in Africa.
Ranadok

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« Reply #460 on: 03-06-2004 14:47 »

How on earth can a guest star make an episode more memorable if there are more guest stars than episodes?  I would not mind one bit if they never had another self-played guest star again.
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« Reply #461 on: 03-06-2004 15:12 »

I agree that modern guest-stars are overused, but there have been some actual good self-played guest appearences, like James Woods and Leonard Nimoy.

What I object to is:

a)an episode being written around a guest star
b)an episode being written and then some generic guest appearence thrown in

Additionally, I'm not so keen on "modern" guest stars being used. As other people have said, it dates the show (plus the fact that most modern guest stars are no better than the rest of us at voice acting anyway - and that includes Blair  wink)
Gorky

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« Reply #462 on: 03-06-2004 15:19 »

I wasn't trying to say that I approve of guest stars, because I don't. I just think that there are a lot of people who want to be on the show, and sometimes they have appearences that make no sense.
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« Reply #463 on: 03-06-2004 19:05 »

Speaking of changing the subject unprompted My Favourite episode from each season.


S1:  Life On The Fast Lane
S2:  Lisa's Substitute
S3:  Flaming Moe's
S4:  Last Exit To Springfield
S5:  $pringfield (or how I learnt to stop worrying and love legalised gambling)
S6:  And Maggie Makes Three
S7:  Mother Simpson
S8:  Mountain Of Madness
S9:  Lisa The Simpson (or Miracle on evergreen terrace since LTS Is a Holdover)
S10: Mayored To The Mob
S11: Behind The Laughter (or since thats not a normal episode 'Brothers Little Helper'
S12: HomR (Or since thats a holdover and TOE isn't a normal ep- The Computer Wore Menace Shoes)
S13: Little Girl In The Big Ten
S14: Moe Baby Blues
Gorky

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« Reply #464 on: 03-06-2004 21:04 »

Oh yeah! Well I'm posting mine for no reason, too!

Season 1: "Moaning Lisa"
Season 2: "Lisa's Substitute"
Season 3: "Colonel Homer"
Season 4: "Last Exit to Springfield"
Season 5: "Deep Space Homer"
Season 6: "Lisa's Wedding"
Season 7: "Mother Simpson"
Season 8: "The Old Man And The Lisa"
Season 9: "Lisa's Sax"
Season 10: "They Saved Lisa's Brain"
Season 11: "Behind the Laughter"
Season 12: "HOMR"
Season 13: "Little Girl in the Big Ten"
Season 14: "I'm Spelling as Fast as I Can"
Season 15 (so far): "Mother Simpson"

Honorable Mentions
Season 1: "Life in the Fast Lane"
Season 2: "Dead Putting Society"
Season 3: "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington"
Season 4: "A Streetcar Named Marge"
Season 5: "Homer's Barbershop Quartet"
Season 6: "Lisa on Ice"
Season 7: "Lisa the Vegitarian"
Season 8: "The Secret War of Lisa Simpson"
Season 9: "The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson"
Season 10: "Bart the Mother"
Season 11: "Little Big Mom"
Season 12: "Children of a Lesser Clod"
Season 13: "She of Little Faith"
Season 14: "Moe Baby Blues"
Season 15 (so far): "I D'oh!Bot"

I realize that some of these are holdovers (especially "Lisa's Sax" ), but I was going by production seasons. Also, alot of these episodes are Lisa ones, but she is my favorite character.
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« Reply #465 on: 03-07-2004 01:16 »

 
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Also, "R.E.M. was put in there to compensate"? That makes me want to slap everyone involved in the production of that show. Except for some of the cool animation people, like Jen whats-her-name and possibly Sarge Morton.

To be fair, even some of the writers probably disagreed with the idea of putting a guest star in the show to compensate.  Feel free to blame Scully though, as, as usual, he was the one who ultimately had the final call on that decision.

To elaborate on the Jen Kamerman thing, she said that when she was directing that episode it was originally guest star free, and she was thrilled because it would be the first show she had directed that didn't have a hyped up guest star (her previous episodes were Kill the Alligator and Run, and Tennis the Menace).  The animation was almost done, or maybe even completely done (I think she said it was already in color or close to it), when they decided to add in R.E.M.  Because she had already done her duty on the episode she was given the option to not work on the R.E.M. scenes and in fact she passed in frustration.  As I said before, she never watched the episode on the air because she was too angry about what they had done.

Tennis the Menace also was never watched by her, for somewhat similar reasons.  This time the guest star wasn't the issue though (although she apparently never liked the idea of self played guests in principle).  Instead, you may know/remember that "Tennis" was used as a test for computer coloring, hence it looking a little out of place at the time.  Well, similarly, she had finished/almost finished on the episode.  She had gotten it done on time (maybe ahead of time) and, I think, the episode originally slated to be tested with the digital coloring was behind schedule.  In this case I think she may have had to do extra work in accordance with the digital coloring; in any case, again she could not bring herself to watch the episode on the air in frustration.

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« Reply #466 on: 03-07-2004 11:43 »
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What a Bitch. I'm suprised she didn't just walkout and protest if she feels that strongly. Where do you get all this infomation about her and her comments, there's nothing at snpp.com
Kryten

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« Reply #467 on: 03-07-2004 14:06 »

Yeah, damn her for being upset that her work was bastardized.  roll eyes
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« Reply #468 on: 03-07-2004 14:52 »

Hey I was joking all right
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« Reply #469 on: 03-07-2004 15:07 »

Sure, you say that now...  tongue
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« Reply #470 on: 03-07-2004 15:29 »

*sniff* sticking your tounge out is just plain mean.
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« Reply #471 on: 03-07-2004 15:50 »

Well, this stuff has, as far as I know, not been published in any "official" sense.  But she (along with Sarge Morton) posted around the No Homers Club for a while.  She doesn't seem to post anymore though, probably due to her pregnancy at the time.
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« Reply #472 on: 03-07-2004 17:29 »
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I really don't blame her for refusing to watch the episode. As I said in another post, I think that the producers (or in this case, Scully) have the idea somewhere in their minds that a guest star can compensate for a bad plot. I'm not nesseccarily saying that "Homer the Moe" is a bad episode, it's just not a favorite.
The topic of this discussion again reminds us of how terrible Scully was as a show-runner. He ruined the show in a way that will be hard to repair. I'm refferering again to the fact that, during his stint as a show runner, Scully brought in guest star after guest star after guest star. That's not to say that all guest stars are bad. For example, Jane Kaczmarek did a great job in the otherwise not so great season 13 episode "The Parent Rap". But again, she was playing a character, not herself. 
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« Reply #473 on: 03-07-2004 18:00 »
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I don't have enough time to post all of my favorites throughout the series, but I'll just say I agree that Moe Baby Blues was the best of season fourteen and it is probably one of my favorites.

What's the name of the one in season fourteen that starts off at the aquarium? I'm always complaining about it, but don't know the title.
Gorky

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« Reply #474 on: 03-07-2004 18:21 »

I think that you're referring to "Brake My Wife, Please".
I must say, it's not my favorite of season 14, but it was an okay episode. At least Homer wasn't Captain Wacky (I think) and the ending was actually kind of sweet.
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« Reply #475 on: 03-07-2004 19:21 »
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i saw take my wife, sleaze, a few days ago. at least i think thats what it was called. i have to say, the episode made no sense, and when it made me laugh, it was when they threw in a bunch of random stuff.
damn you scully, damn you to hell!
also, i was mad that the credits were in white, and not the usual yellow. that is NOT the simpsons.
Gorky

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« Reply #476 on: 03-07-2004 19:25 »

If you're talking about the episode with Hell's Satans, then that's "Take My Wife, Sleaze". Personally, I thought it was an okay episode.
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« Reply #477 on: 03-07-2004 19:39 »

 
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Originally posted by Gorky:
I think that you're referring to "Brake My Wife, Please".
I must say, it's not my favorite of season 14, but it was an okay episode. At least Homer wasn't Captain Wacky (I think) and the ending was actually kind of sweet.

I thought that was one of the worst of season 14 and it actually really annoyed me  (although it beats Pray anything, Helter Shelter and Strong arms of Ma)

It starts of with Bart getting injured on school trip for a Ridculous reason, Marges struggle to contact Homer to tell him about Barts injury leads to Homer buying a cellphone along with lots of other stuff for no reason which leads to him crashing his car, his licence being revoked, so then he discovers the joy of walking which leads to a musical number fantasy sequence where he meets an obscure celberity and then Marge accidently crashes into Homer so she has to take Care of him and even comes to resent him and hate him apparently she even crashed into him on purpose, So then Homer gets a celbrity to so perform a song to Marge to win her back.

I think Mike Reiss' comment on the Africa episode is relevant here, 'Seriously What The Fuck.'
Honestly I can follow The KTAAR story better than this.
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« Reply #478 on: 03-07-2004 19:53 »

It's kind of a trademark of the latter seasons (although not necessarily exclusively), because they've already done all the "big" plot ideas. So they have to string a lot of smaller ones together to make up 22 minutes, which gives them an overly complex feeling.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #479 on: 03-07-2004 20:33 »

Not just that, but it makes some epidoes feel disjointed.
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