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Shadowstar

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« Reply #240 on: 02-23-2004 15:26 »
« Last Edit on: 02-23-2004 15:26 »

Wow! I was really surprised this time around! We got two lackluster episodes, and now a good one. The show still needs to die, but it probably won't, but if it does, at least we'll have some good episodes to go out on.
"Smart and Smarter"
The first act was good, although now that I think about it, they were going to the pancake place, but then they just went to that nursery. Well, I don't mind. Simon's appearence wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, he was even funny at times. Acts 2 and 3 were just as good. Homer didn't say anything too stupid (except for acting like a dolphin, which was all over the promos). But the end confused me. Maggie IS a very smart child, as established all the way back in "Bart the Genius" when she spelled "EMCSQU" (e=mc-squared) in blocks. Lisa giving her the answers made no sense, as did Maggie playing the sax. Besides that, everything was great. Best episode this season.

Season 15 Top Five
1. "Smart and Smarter"
2. "I, D'oh!bot"
3. "My Mother the Carjacker"
4. "Diatribe of a Mad Housewife"
5. "'Tis the Fifteenth Season"

  smile TOTPD
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #241 on: 02-23-2004 15:35 »

Smart and Smarter just plain sucked. I don't know why people keep on watching The Simpsons anymore.
evan

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« Reply #242 on: 02-23-2004 16:19 »

Well, ignoring HJS, I actually liked "Smart and Smarter" -- the first two acts, anyway. Out of all of the episodes I've seen this season, I think I like this one the best. The last act was pretty weak, I think. Is it just me, or does it seem like so many recent episodes end with someone getting hurt/almost killed?

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure "I, DohBot" is going to be the worst of this season. Captain Wacky strikes again -- no, not quite. I think what Homer did in that episode was dumber than what Peter Griffin would do in "Family Guy." Seriously.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #243 on: 02-23-2004 16:23 »

 
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Originally posted by homerjaysimpson:
Smart and Smarter just plain sucked. I don't know why people keep on watching The Simpsons anymore.

If that's your opinion, why do you keep watching The Simpsons?...

Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #244 on: 02-23-2004 16:38 »

 
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Originally posted by homerjaysimpson:
Smart and Smarter just plain sucked. I don't know why people keep on watching The Simpsons anymore.

I don't know why you keep talking when you clearly have nothing to say.  no no
Shadowstar

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« Reply #245 on: 02-23-2004 16:53 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure "I, DohBot" is going to be the worst of this season. Captain Wacky strikes again -- no, not quite. I think what Homer did in that episode was dumber than what Peter Griffin would do in "Family Guy." Seriously.
Just because it was a wacky premise doesn't mean Homer was Captain Wacky. In a way, I thought it was sweet what he was doing for Bart. And there were a lot of good jokes in there too.
Also, that can't be the worst this season, it's nowhere near as bad as "Marge vs. etc" and "Margical History Tour."
User_names_suck
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« Reply #246 on: 02-23-2004 17:28 »

So judging from reviews it looks like it wasn't 'scraping the bottom of the barrel as 'GM'
said, hey thats her opinion you cant argue with that just because the episode isn't much to do with what she read about.


Sorry I should let it go.
Gorky

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« Reply #247 on: 02-23-2004 17:34 »
« Last Edit on: 02-23-2004 17:34 »

I missed "I D'oh!bot" the first time around, so I'll post my review here.

This was an all-around great episode, and definitely a good father/son show. Since this episode had both an "A" and a "B" plot, I'll review them one at a time.
First, the A story. The basic idea is, I'll admit, sort of one of those, "Simpsons takes on TV" plots (The idea of "Robot Rumble" being based on many fighting robot shows). But, this episode is different from others like it; it worked. I thought that the first act was actually not one of those that was entirely unrelated to the rest of the episode. It successfully set up the main plot.
Anyway, I'm one of those people who hates the jerky Homer and hates "Captain Wacky" even more. Homer was actually very redeeming in this one, and perhaps even sympathetic (in a "ha-ha, you got shards of metal in your eyes" kind of way). Bart and Homer showed how close they can get, and this episode actually had one of those "awww..." sort of endings.
Now, plot B. I really can't say I'm sorry about the death of the original Snowball II, as he was never really an important character. I loved seeing Lisa try to find a new cat, though. And the reference to the sticky mess known as "The Principal and the Pauper", was hilarious.
All in all, this episode earns an A. So, for those of you who care (a staggering none of you), here's my top five season 15 episodes:

1."I D'oh!bot"
2."Smarter and Smarter"
3."My Mother the Carjacker"
4."The President Wore Pearls"
5."Diatribe of a Mad Housewife" 
Mercapto

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« Reply #248 on: 02-23-2004 17:37 »
« Last Edit on: 02-23-2004 17:37 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
So judging from reviews it looks like it wasn't 'scraping the bottom of the barrel as 'GM'
said, hey thats her opinion you cant argue with that just because the episode isn't much to do with what she read about.
Way to hold a grudge there, User_names_suck.   no no

Last Sunday's episode actually was rather good and Simon's part thankfully wasn't as big as one could have been let to believe from the promos. Still, I think the ending was a bit of a cop out. The opening was silly, but at least they moved along to the main plot pretty quickly.

I'll agree with evan that the first two acts were good, but, once again, the way they chose to end the episode disappointed me.
leelaholic

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« Reply #249 on: 02-23-2004 17:52 »

She still pissed us off, Mercutio.  wink

@Mouse: If you think HJS's "Smart and Smarter" review was scary, just look at her "Tis the Fifteenth Season" review...
 
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Originally posted by homerjaysimpson:
I watched the new simpsons episode. It had no heavy plot but it had X-Mas crap in it.It had stuff riped off from Futurama. F-
I think I speak for everyone when I say...

HUH?

Looks like someone forgot their medication.  hmpf
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #250 on: 02-23-2004 18:02 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
She still pissed us off, Mercutio.   wink

She was just stating her opinion. If that one small post pissed you off, you've got serious problems...
Venus

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« Reply #251 on: 02-23-2004 18:05 »

question, whatever happened to snowball 1?
Mercapto

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« Reply #252 on: 02-23-2004 18:06 »
« Last Edit on: 02-23-2004 18:06 »

She was run over by the mayor's beer-swilling brother Clovis' Chrystler.
leelaholic

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« Reply #253 on: 02-23-2004 18:09 »

From "Stark Raving Dad"...

"I had a cat named Snowball.
She died! She died!
Mom said she was sleeping.
She lied! She lied!
Why, oh why, is my cat dead?
Couldn't that Chrystler have hit me instead?"
Mercapto

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« Reply #254 on: 02-23-2004 18:11 »
« Last Edit on: 02-23-2004 18:11 »

Aaand, "Treehouse of Horror III", "Dial Z for Zombies"

Lisa: "Bart, please.  Don't you remember that Snowball 1 died four years ago tonight?  Run over by the Mayor's beer-swilling brother, Clovis."

Hah! I'm a much bigger nerd than you, leelaholic!  tongue
leelaholic

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« Reply #255 on: 02-23-2004 20:34 »

[Milhouse]I'm not a nerd! ... Nerds are smart.[/Milhouse]
Ranadok

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« Reply #256 on: 02-23-2004 21:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Mercapto:
Aaand, "Treehouse of Horror III", "Dial Z for Zombies"

Lisa: "Bart, please.  Don't you remember that Snowball 1 died four years ago tonight?  Run over by the Mayor's beer-swilling brother, Clovis."

How canon is that? It is in a THOH, after all. This isn't confronting or trying to disprove your statement, just a general-ish question on the officialness of the side facts, etc in the THOH episodes.  Just in case they say the state that Spingfield is in or CBG's name at some point  big grin .  As a side note: I have also wondered at how official the Ullman shorts were in-universe as well. I can't think of anything specifically going against the rest of the show, but it has been  a while since I have seen any of them.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #257 on: 02-23-2004 21:31 »

Whether that "Dial Z For Zombies" quote counts as official Simpsons canon is debateable.  The THOHs do usually fit in with past canon of the show, but obviously have something happen that wouldn't normally happen on the show.  But maybe it doesn't count.  Beyond that scene Snowball I's death has always been ambiguous; the first mention of we got was early on in "Simpsons Roasting On An Open Fire", and in that it is never explained just what happened to the cat.  Later of course "Stark Raving Dad" explains it, but its hard to say if Clovis was really the one driving that Chrysler.

Ranadok

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« Reply #258 on: 02-24-2004 04:24 »
« Last Edit on: 02-24-2004 04:24 »

Or even if there IS a Clovis, no? Which is my whole question... is there anything of those kinds of episodes that we can 'trust'? (forgive me if Clovis is actually mentioned/shown in a normal episode, nothing comes to mind...) Obviously ones where the entire situation of the show changes (the Harry Potter parody, although again, I can't think of others offhand... this is what happens when you post on PEEL instead of doing an essay at 1:30 AM...) can be thrown out completely, but does everything else stand or get thrown out as canon that easily? (You know, this line of discussion most likly won't get too far here, it would do better over at NHC or some other dedicated Simpsons board... but it's worth a shot here, I guess)
Guy

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« Reply #259 on: 02-24-2004 12:55 »

Wasn't there a fight between Homer and "Cowell" in that episode? I didn't notice it in the reviews.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #260 on: 02-24-2004 14:12 »
« Last Edit on: 02-24-2004 14:12 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
 She was just stating her opinion. If that one small post pissed you off, you've got serious problems...

as we said before she posted an opinion before the episode aired, and it had already been discussed in more depth about what the episode was about. But she based her opinion on reading in a newspaper about the fight between homer and the cowell esq character assuming this was the basis of the whole episode.
I may even agree its scraping the bottom of the barrel when I see the episode for myself but I dont post an opinion of an episode I haven't seen.

ghoulishmoose

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« Reply #261 on: 02-24-2004 14:38 »

You know, I never said that it was crap. I just said that it sounded crap. In my opinnion it sounded not so great. I never said it actually was crap. It was a personal opinnion.

I didn't read the rest of this thread before posting. Like I said, I just popped in to see what was going on, remembered that I'd seen an article in the paper that day about it, and just decided to share. I had no idea that this episode had been discussed in detail or anything beforehand. So I apologise for that. But still, I'm not changing my opinnion. It sounded pretty weak to me. I dont want to argue with anybody, what has happend here is an opinnion clash, I'm ok with that. I dont care, each person can form their own opinnion, thats why its personal.

But I didn't want to carry it on. I even said that there was no harm done, an opinnion clash had happend, lets just forget about it. I dont hold grudges. But you guys just wont let it go. And you're acting like I'm the only person in this whole thread to say something bad about the Simpsons. I've seen some of these posts, and compared to some of them, mine is no where near as bad. Its not even bad at all. Some people in here are 'stating' that the Simpsons is bad. I'm not stating that its bad at all. I was merely giving an opinnion on what I thought, and you guys get pissed off at that, come on...  roll eyes
David A

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« Reply #262 on: 02-24-2004 14:49 »

Do I need to say it again?

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Stop attacking GM, you jerks.    mad


Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #263 on: 02-24-2004 14:54 »

Yeah, stop driving off the attractive females over something like The Simpsons!

I watched Burns, Baby Burns today. The guest star and plot itself is lame, but compared to crap like Kill Aligator and Run, some jokes made me laugh.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #264 on: 02-24-2004 15:00 »

I'M NOT ATTACKING GM, JESUS CHRIST I'M NOT.

the only reason I didn't let it go was because GM posted an opinion DoTheBartman Pointed some things out that were misguided about GM's opinion
and then she got so defensive over that even though it was perfectly reasonable to point some things out to her and everyone lept to her defence as well, that was my only problem ok.
I just made one joke about it again and it just esculated. and Now once again David A is leaping to her defensive as if everyone is being a horrible jerk towards her.

Now please no one argue with me and just drop it.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #265 on: 02-24-2004 15:04 »
« Last Edit on: 02-24-2004 15:04 »

GM is right, come on people! And nobody even try arguing, for the love of all that is pure and true, just let it go...

edit - too late, the suck-buster already has...  roll eyes
ghoulishmoose

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« Reply #266 on: 02-24-2004 15:08 »

I never said you were attacking, dont worry. I'm not annoyed with anyone like I said. I dont hold grudges. Nobody needed to leap to my defense either, I never asked them to. That was out of my hands I'm afraid. Nobody has been a horrible jerk with me, I certainly haven't seen it that way. I wanted to drop it all in the first place.

But lets just call it a day now  smile
aslate

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« Reply #267 on: 02-24-2004 18:40 »

 
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Originally posted by ghoulishmoose:
opinnion

I don't know why, but that spelling error's really bugged me. It's opinion with one n  smile

leelaholic

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« Reply #268 on: 02-24-2004 18:44 »

FOOL! Opinion has TWO N's!
aslate

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« Reply #269 on: 02-24-2004 18:48 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
FOOL! Opinion has TWO N's!

You know what i meant, i was talking about the two she put in the middle.

On-topic? Erm. Simpsons is shit/sucks/is ok/is great/rules. Delete as applicable.

bender+fry

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« Reply #270 on: 02-24-2004 19:30 »

seems like smart and smarter is worth watching. i'll have to
*coughs*
download it off kazaa and rate it myself
bender+fry

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« Reply #271 on: 02-24-2004 19:31 »

seems like smart and smarter is worth watching, as well as i, doh bot. i'll have to
*coughs*
download them off kazaa and rate it myself wink
PCC Fred

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« Reply #272 on: 02-24-2004 19:34 »

bander&fry, use the button and stop double posting!

I saw "'Tis the 15th season" on Sunday.  Meh.  The first half had Homer acting much more jerky than usual just to emphasise the fact he was being a jerk.  As for the second half, it was "Homer Loves Flanders", expect without the jokes.
Dr. Morberg

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« Reply #273 on: 02-24-2004 21:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Guy:
Wasn't there a fight between Homer and "Cowell" in that episode? I didn't notice it in the reviews.

It wasn't a fight. Homer just punched him three times.
Gorky

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« Reply #274 on: 02-24-2004 21:40 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
I saw "'Tis the 15th season" on Sunday.  Meh.  The first half had Homer acting much more jerky than usual just to emphasise the fact he was being a jerk.  As for the second half, it was "Homer Loves Flanders", expect without the jokes.

I agree, in a way. I am inclined to believe that "T'is the 15th Season" is pretty overrated. I thought it was a good episode, but not one of the better season 15 episodes. For example, if you just judge it as a holiday episode, it isn't as good as, say, "Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire" or "Grift of the Magi" (which I actually enjoyed a bit more than this one).
DotheBartman

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« Reply #275 on: 02-24-2004 23:04 »

How was Homer more jerky then usual?  Simply because he was selfish and spent money on himself?  A behavior seen in many classic episodes like "Life on the Fast Lane"? 

Someone please explain that to me, I'm lost.  I'm really curious how Homer could've been percieved as a jerkass during those scenes.
Teesside Inc

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« Reply #276 on: 02-25-2004 08:12 »
« Last Edit on: 02-25-2004 08:12 »

Who writes The Simpsons?
  confused   confused   confused
Nurdbot

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« Reply #277 on: 02-25-2004 09:04 »

Stop asking stupid questions.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #278 on: 02-25-2004 11:44 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
Who writes The Simpsons?
   confused    confused    confused

Uh...lots of people.

When the episodes come on, here's a trick.  Read the text at the bottom of the screen.  It'll help you a lot.
Mercapto

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« Reply #279 on: 02-25-2004 11:46 »

Here's a by writer overview of who has written which episodes:
 http://www.snpp.com/guides/epsbywriter.html

Naturally, the episodes are in large part written as group effort.
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