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PEE Poll: Best Kevin Smith Film
Clerks   -10 (31.3%)
Mallrats   -6 (18.8%)
Chasing Amy   -6 (18.8%)
Dogma   -5 (15.6%)
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back   -5 (15.6%)
Total Voters: 32

Donnie Zoido

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« on: 01-09-2004 06:25 »

What do you think is the best Kevin Smith film? We won't include Jersey Girl, because not many will have seen it....  smile
Tweek

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« Reply #1 on: 01-09-2004 06:55 »

I've only seen Dogma, it was pretty funny so I'll vote for it  smile
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #2 on: 01-09-2004 07:02 »

If you think that's cool, then check this out.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #3 on: 01-09-2004 08:21 »

Well this is a Poll so I guess I have to make a more firm choice. I'll go with Clerks, I just loved the whole style of it.
Bloodclot

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« Reply #4 on: 01-09-2004 08:24 »

I'm voting for Clerks, it's one of my favourite movies.
Coop

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« Reply #5 on: 01-09-2004 08:33 »

Clerks was the best. All of the rest SUCKED. Mallrats: essentially just trying to be Clerks, but it fails. It comes in a close second though.
Chasing Amy: A pretty mediocre movie. I didn't really like it.
Dogma: this movie was pretty good, probably the best as far as production goes, but it still wasn't clerks.
Jay & SB: Strike back: TERRIBLE movie. This movie was a joke. Kevin Smith took all of the intelligence out of his writing so that he could appeal to the lowest common denominator. This movie was made so that teenagers would see it, laugh at the immature jokes (while I'm sure half of them didn't get the inside jokes) and send them back to buy the original movies. This movie was sad and pathetic.
bankrupt

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« Reply #6 on: 01-09-2004 08:33 »

Some like to trash on Mallrats, but I find it to be good fun.  It's my favorite one on the list.
Xmpel

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« Reply #7 on: 01-09-2004 08:49 »

Since I haven't seen Clerks yet I must say that "Jay and Silent Bob strikes back" is the best. Followed by Dogma.
TheLastGreatDon

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« Reply #8 on: 01-09-2004 08:52 »

Clerks hands down. One of my top 5 black and white movies of all time.
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #9 on: 01-09-2004 09:00 »

I liked the Clerks animated TV show. I have the entire series on DVD. I can't wait until he makes that into a movie.
Mr. Potter

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« Reply #10 on: 01-09-2004 10:37 »

I like the majority of those movies, but my favorite is Dogma.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #11 on: 01-09-2004 11:17 »
« Last Edit on: 01-09-2004 11:17 »

Clerks. The dialogue is just too damn brilliant (the rest are great as well- also in the dialogue department, but this has an edge). And the plot goes absolutely nowhere whilst going everywhere. And all in one day.
But like I said before- they are all quite good.

[EDIT]And Dogma's take on religion was refreshing[/EDIT]
Gleno

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« Reply #12 on: 01-09-2004 11:26 »

Clerks is very well written, because it's in black and white, you pay more attention to the dialogue (well I did) and that's where it's strength lies....funny funny stuff  big grin

Mallrats is great, really funny and the first one I saw....nuff said

Dogma is great but I'm not big on religion.... hmpf

I loved JASBSB, yeah it's full of stupid jokes and it's basically just an hour and a half of Jay and Bob being idiots....but they did it well, I was rolling on the floor when Bob yells at Jay  laff

So I guess Clerks is my fave.... big grin
"My love for you is like a truck BERZERKERRRR
Would you like some making fuck BERZERKERRR"

"Did he just say making fuck....?"  laff laff

Let me break....let me break you down....for your sake....I will break you down...."[/small]
nagrub

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« Reply #13 on: 01-09-2004 11:43 »

i'l vote strikes back. its the one one i've seen. apparenly clerks is meant to tbe the best, so i hear.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #14 on: 01-09-2004 13:55 »

I liked chasing amy.
First romantic comedy where I actually was moved and wanted the relationships to work out, it deserves HUUUUUGE credit for making ME feel that way, Clerks 2nd I'm not sure between mallrats and dogma
I do think there both good though the huge critisicm of mallrats suprises me
El Zilcho

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« Reply #15 on: 01-09-2004 17:09 »

 
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Originally posted by Gleno:
"My love for you is like a truck BERZERKERRRR
Would you like some making fuck BERZERKERRR"

"Did he just say making fuck....?"   laff  laff

Clerks for me too. "Thirty-seven!?"

How do you toast a grapefruit?
David A

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« Reply #16 on: 01-09-2004 17:25 »

Meh.  The only one that I've seen is Mallrats, and I missed the beginning, so I didn't even see all of that one.

What's the big deal about Kevin Smith anyway?

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
newhook_1

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« Reply #17 on: 01-09-2004 17:29 »

I've only seen Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, I liked it, so I'll vote for that one.
boingo2000

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« Reply #18 on: 01-09-2004 17:38 »

I love Chasing Amy because it's a romance film that I'm able to stomach.
Then Dogma, Clerks, J&SBSB and Mallrats.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #19 on: 01-09-2004 17:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Gleno:
"My love for you is like a truck BERZERKERRRR
Would you like some making fuck BERZERKERRR"

"Did he just say making fuck....?"   laff  laff
Dude, you have WAY too few umlauts in the caps part of that quote. But it is still funny as hell (if hell is funny that is)

Gleno

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« Reply #20 on: 01-10-2004 02:45 »

 
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Gleno:
"My love for you is like a truck BERZERKERRRR
Would you like some making fuck BERZERKERRR"

"Did he just say making fuck....?"    laff   laff
Dude, you have WAY too few umlauts in the caps part of that quote. But it is still funny as hell (if hell is funny that is)


umlauts....?? what the frig....??

Coop

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« Reply #21 on: 01-10-2004 02:53 »

The whole Yelling at Jay thing from Strike back was stupid. It ruined Silent Bob's character.

Silent Bob is silent because he's just the quiet type. He doesn't really have a lot to say. Strike back tried to portray him as some sort of a mime.

Most people who like Strike Back say they haven't seen Clerks, which is ok. But you really should see Clerks first.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #22 on: 01-10-2004 07:32 »

well of course with Clerks now they'll probably just expect a fast paced entertainig film so its probably ruined it already
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #23 on: 01-10-2004 10:28 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 10:28 »

 
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Originally posted by Coop:
The whole Yelling at Jay thing from Strike back was stupid. It ruined Silent Bob's character.

Silent Bob is silent because he's just the quiet type. He doesn't really have a lot to say. Strike back tried to portray him as some sort of a mime.

But he does talk numerous times... Most noticeably in Chasing Amy where he set the record straight with Holden.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #24 on: 01-10-2004 10:51 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
What's the big deal about Kevin Smith anyway?


He's a a big a nerd. He writes comic books (like Dare Devil and other marvel titles). Basically he has a great insight to the sci fi and comics, whcih makes his films funnier for people who are into that sort of stuff.

One of teh best dicussions came in Clerks with Randel and Dante talking about which distrction of the Death Star was worse (morally speaking). Watch Clerks it's a classic.
Guy

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« Reply #25 on: 01-10-2004 12:31 »

Yay, Dogma!
Coop

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« Reply #26 on: 01-10-2004 13:24 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 13:24 »

 
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
  But he does talk numerous times... Most noticeably in Chasing Amy where he set the record straight with Holden.

Yeah, and that was just fine. But in strike back, he was just making hand motions to try and tell Jay what he was trying to say. Which is retarted. He's supposed to just be "The quiet type" not a mime. He can talk, he just doesn't have anything to say. I don't think he's ever done charades in any of the other films.
evan

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« Reply #27 on: 01-10-2004 14:21 »

I voted for "Chasing Amy," because it's Smith's only "real" film. I like "Clerks" a lot too, but there's something more personal about "Amy." "Mallrats" is fine, too. The others are just sorta "meh."

My biggest problem with the Smith franchise is the treatment of Jay and Bob. I think the more seriously they're written, the better roles they have in the film. For example, in "Clerks" and to a lesser extent, "Amy," they are drug dealers. There's nothing cute or lovable about them. Whereas in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" and "Clerks: the Series," they're way too cute and fun and mass-marketed. Give me gritty realism, goddammit!  smile
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #28 on: 01-10-2004 18:35 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 18:35 »

Coop: it is true that his hand signals and body language is just too overdone in that scene. But originally you posted that the yelling was ruining it. I don't think that was the problem.
Gleno: Yes Um-friggin'-lauts. Like this: "BÄHRRZÖÖÖRRKÖÖHR!!!"...

Evan: It is true that Jay and Silent Bob are portrayed from two sides (the moronic clowning side and the tough, slacking drug-dealer side) but I think I have some kind of valid explanation for this. It's not something anybody else has ever noticed when I tell it to them, but just check it out:
I think Clerks and Chasing Amy are "real-life" stories, and the others are comics written by Holden McNeil and Banky Edwards... this may seem a tad confusing but consider this. In Chasing Amy, Jay tells Holden that they're not the kind of people that run around goofing off and stuff like that. He SPECIFICALLY tells Holden that "Snoochie boochies!" is something he and Bob would NEVER utter. Exact Quote follows:
Jay: "What's that shit he's got us saying?"
S_Bob: "Oh, Eerhm... Snoochie boochies"
Jay: "Snoochie boochies! Who the fuck talks like that? That is fucking baby talk!"
And in Clerks and Chasing amy, they don't talk like that. I don't remember the exact places, but in the other films, they say "snoochie boochies!" OR a variation thereof at one or more occasions. And furthermore, in those films the feel is much more comic-book/cartoon-ish. Both the music, the dark/light contrast and character profiles.
Clerks and Chasing Amy has more character depth and more "real" stories, realistic lighting, not to mention NO "action-Star-Wars-ish music" when things heat up. If "snoochie boochies" is really a phrase invented by Holden and Banky, (which I believe) then they wrote Mallrats (in which we see part of the superhero Bluntman), Dogma and J&SBSB. Maybe the end of J&SBSB was "real" and the whole plot was the movie based on comic book.

Comments? Am I insane? I cannot find anything to contradict me...
User_names_suck
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« Reply #29 on: 01-10-2004 19:18 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 19:18 »

I dont remeber them all so I'm trying hard to comprehend it all.

If Banky and Holden wrote J&SBSB that would mean they would have written it after the chasing amy events and wrote in that there writing patnership broke up when it actually it didn't and most of the audience (in the fim who watched the film) wouldn't get that,
and I'm also trying to remember which characters got called back and it would have made sense for banky to have written that

Okay my heads exploding now, and i dont remember much about J&SBSB or some of the other films
evan

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« Reply #30 on: 01-10-2004 19:40 »

Or maybe they wrote "Mallrats" and "Dogma," but not "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back." So "Clerks," "Amy," and "Jay and Bob" are 'real-life,' and the others are comic-books. Even though that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, if you really think about it...
User_names_suck
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« Reply #31 on: 01-10-2004 19:58 »

Or maybe they wrote chasing amy  and the whole film was just some highly elabourate scheme for some diabolical evil purpose.

hmmm no guess that doesn't make sense
Coop

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« Reply #32 on: 01-10-2004 20:11 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 20:11 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
I dont remeber them all so I'm trying hard to comprehend it all.

If Banky and Holden wrote J&SBSB that would mean they would have written it after the chasing amy events and wrote in that there writing patnership broke up when it actually it didn't and most of the audience (in the fim who watched the film) wouldn't get that,
and I'm also trying to remember which characters got called back and it would have made sense for banky to have written that

Okay my heads exploding now, and i dont remember much about J&SBSB or some of the other films

Most people who saw J&SB:SB didn't see any of the other movies, and most likely didn't understand any of this inside stuff. SO I don't think continuity was a big problem.

Pikka: I didn't mean his yelling in particular, I meant that part of the movie, the hand gestures, all of it was stupid.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #33 on: 01-10-2004 20:59 »

Coop: I understand that.
If my theory is valid, then I think maybe Banky wrote J&SBSB since Holden sold off his rights. One guy who exits the movie theatre says "why can't they ever make a good comicbook movie?", which suggests that it is a comicbook made into film. And Alyssa says "At least Holden had the good decency to keep his name off of it" which suggests that Banky did it alone. AND she says that Holden's comicbook "Chasing Amy" never was put to the big screen.
Another reason to believe J&SBSB was made from a comicbook is the goofiness of the two, which Jay tells Holden (in Chasing Amy) is just not like them at all. And he seemed pretty serious.
Summarize

Why Mallrats, Dogma and J&SBSB might be comicbooks:
The phrase "snoochie boochies" and others just like it. Jay and Silent Bob are goofy morons. The visual style is more vivid with contrasts, colors, angles, etc. The characters are more single-sided. Alyssa says that Banky is behind it and that Holden had nothing to do with it, which I assume is because Holden and Banky dissolved their pertnership.

Why Clerks and Chasing Amy might be "real":
The lack of "snoochie boochies" and similar babytalk. Realistic lighting. Low-key coloration. Less imaginative angles. Jay and Silent Bob are more smooth and realistic characters. Alyssa states (upon exiting the movie theatre in J&SBSB) that Chasing Amy is only a comic book, which it would only be if the movie Chasing Amy was depicting the "reality" of the Kevin Smith universe.

Reasons why the ending of J&SBSB might be "real":
The lines of the movie theatre audience fits very well with the rest of my theory.
LabMonkey

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« Reply #34 on: 01-11-2004 21:58 »

Chasing Amy.  But I'm biased because I can relate to  the dating a lesbian thing. 
User_names_suck
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« Reply #35 on: 01-11-2004 22:08 »

Thats a very good theory pikka bird, it does all seem to make sense I wonder if kevin smith actually planned all this out.

The only thing thats annoying me is that at the end of dogma, didn't it say there was going to be clerks 2
evan

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« Reply #36 on: 01-11-2004 22:29 »
« Last Edit on: 01-11-2004 22:29 »

Well, there was supposed to be a "Clerks 2" really early in the series. So, that line might be a mistake. Or, if you're really worried, just think that "Clerks: the Animated Series" is "Clerks 2."
LabMonkey

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« Reply #37 on: 01-11-2004 22:34 »

I like the theory Pikka, but the movies are intertwined, so I don't think it totally holds up.  The funeral in Clerks, is for the girl that died in the swimming pool in Mallrats.  Other connections exist, but I don't remember them.  I do seem to remember that the original "Jersey Trilogy" was suppose to all take place in about a single weekend.  But I'm tired and have been hung over most of the day, so I could be completely wrong.
El Zilcho

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« Reply #38 on: 01-11-2004 23:32 »

 
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Originally posted by LabMonkey:
I like the theory Pikka, but the movies are intertwined, so I don't think it totally holds up.  The funeral in Clerks, is for the girl that died in the swimming pool in Mallrats.  Other connections exist, but I don't remember them.  I do seem to remember that the original "Jersey Trilogy" was suppose to all take place in about a single weekend.  But I'm tired and have been hung over most of the day, so I could be completely wrong.

I'm not sure about Chasing Amy, but I know Mallrats was supposed to take place the day before Clerks in the continuity (give it up for Special Edition DVD's!).
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #39 on: 01-12-2004 10:48 »

But it could be possible for Banky and Holden to have known the girl as well? I mean, it has happened that people make comic books, movies, books, cartoons, etc. that contain some real-life event. So even if they are intertwined, some of it might still be fiction (with references to the author's life) within fiction.
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