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Coop
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Clerks was the best. All of the rest SUCKED. Mallrats: essentially just trying to be Clerks, but it fails. It comes in a close second though. Chasing Amy: A pretty mediocre movie. I didn't really like it. Dogma: this movie was pretty good, probably the best as far as production goes, but it still wasn't clerks. Jay & SB: Strike back: TERRIBLE movie. This movie was a joke. Kevin Smith took all of the intelligence out of his writing so that he could appeal to the lowest common denominator. This movie was made so that teenagers would see it, laugh at the immature jokes (while I'm sure half of them didn't get the inside jokes) and send them back to buy the original movies. This movie was sad and pathetic.
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Mr. Potter
Professor
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I like the majority of those movies, but my favorite is Dogma.
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Gleno
Liquid Emperor
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Clerks is very well written, because it's in black and white, you pay more attention to the dialogue (well I did) and that's where it's strength lies....funny funny stuff Mallrats is great, really funny and the first one I saw....nuff said Dogma is great but I'm not big on religion.... I loved JASBSB, yeah it's full of stupid jokes and it's basically just an hour and a half of Jay and Bob being idiots....but they did it well, I was rolling on the floor when Bob yells at Jay So I guess Clerks is my fave.... "My love for you is like a truck BERZERKERRRR Would you like some making fuck BERZERKERRR" "Did he just say making fuck....?"
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User_names_suck
Professor
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I liked chasing amy. First romantic comedy where I actually was moved and wanted the relationships to work out, it deserves HUUUUUGE credit for making ME feel that way, Clerks 2nd I'm not sure between mallrats and dogma I do think there both good though the huge critisicm of mallrats suprises me
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Coop
Professor
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The whole Yelling at Jay thing from Strike back was stupid. It ruined Silent Bob's character.
Silent Bob is silent because he's just the quiet type. He doesn't really have a lot to say. Strike back tried to portray him as some sort of a mime.
Most people who like Strike Back say they haven't seen Clerks, which is ok. But you really should see Clerks first.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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well of course with Clerks now they'll probably just expect a fast paced entertainig film so its probably ruined it already
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Guy
Professor
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Yay, Dogma!
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Pikka Bird
Space Pope
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« Reply #28 on: 01-10-2004 18:35 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 18:35 »
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Coop: it is true that his hand signals and body language is just too overdone in that scene. But originally you posted that the yelling was ruining it. I don't think that was the problem. Gleno: Yes Um-friggin'-lauts. Like this: "BÄHRRZÖÖÖRRKÖÖHR!!!"...
Evan: It is true that Jay and Silent Bob are portrayed from two sides (the moronic clowning side and the tough, slacking drug-dealer side) but I think I have some kind of valid explanation for this. It's not something anybody else has ever noticed when I tell it to them, but just check it out: I think Clerks and Chasing Amy are "real-life" stories, and the others are comics written by Holden McNeil and Banky Edwards... this may seem a tad confusing but consider this. In Chasing Amy, Jay tells Holden that they're not the kind of people that run around goofing off and stuff like that. He SPECIFICALLY tells Holden that "Snoochie boochies!" is something he and Bob would NEVER utter. Exact Quote follows: Jay: "What's that shit he's got us saying?" S_Bob: "Oh, Eerhm... Snoochie boochies" Jay: "Snoochie boochies! Who the fuck talks like that? That is fucking baby talk!" And in Clerks and Chasing amy, they don't talk like that. I don't remember the exact places, but in the other films, they say "snoochie boochies!" OR a variation thereof at one or more occasions. And furthermore, in those films the feel is much more comic-book/cartoon-ish. Both the music, the dark/light contrast and character profiles. Clerks and Chasing Amy has more character depth and more "real" stories, realistic lighting, not to mention NO "action-Star-Wars-ish music" when things heat up. If "snoochie boochies" is really a phrase invented by Holden and Banky, (which I believe) then they wrote Mallrats (in which we see part of the superhero Bluntman), Dogma and J&SBSB. Maybe the end of J&SBSB was "real" and the whole plot was the movie based on comic book.
Comments? Am I insane? I cannot find anything to contradict me...
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User_names_suck
Professor
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« Reply #29 on: 01-10-2004 19:18 »
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I dont remeber them all so I'm trying hard to comprehend it all.
If Banky and Holden wrote J&SBSB that would mean they would have written it after the chasing amy events and wrote in that there writing patnership broke up when it actually it didn't and most of the audience (in the fim who watched the film) wouldn't get that, and I'm also trying to remember which characters got called back and it would have made sense for banky to have written that
Okay my heads exploding now, and i dont remember much about J&SBSB or some of the other films
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User_names_suck
Professor
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Or maybe they wrote chasing amy and the whole film was just some highly elabourate scheme for some diabolical evil purpose.
hmmm no guess that doesn't make sense
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Coop
Professor
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« Reply #32 on: 01-10-2004 20:11 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 20:11 »
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Originally posted by User_names_suck: I dont remeber them all so I'm trying hard to comprehend it all.
If Banky and Holden wrote J&SBSB that would mean they would have written it after the chasing amy events and wrote in that there writing patnership broke up when it actually it didn't and most of the audience (in the fim who watched the film) wouldn't get that, and I'm also trying to remember which characters got called back and it would have made sense for banky to have written that
Okay my heads exploding now, and i dont remember much about J&SBSB or some of the other films Most people who saw J&SB:SB didn't see any of the other movies, and most likely didn't understand any of this inside stuff. SO I don't think continuity was a big problem. Pikka: I didn't mean his yelling in particular, I meant that part of the movie, the hand gestures, all of it was stupid.
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LabMonkey
Crustacean
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Chasing Amy. But I'm biased because I can relate to the dating a lesbian thing.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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Thats a very good theory pikka bird, it does all seem to make sense I wonder if kevin smith actually planned all this out.
The only thing thats annoying me is that at the end of dogma, didn't it say there was going to be clerks 2
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LabMonkey
Crustacean
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I like the theory Pikka, but the movies are intertwined, so I don't think it totally holds up. The funeral in Clerks, is for the girl that died in the swimming pool in Mallrats. Other connections exist, but I don't remember them. I do seem to remember that the original "Jersey Trilogy" was suppose to all take place in about a single weekend. But I'm tired and have been hung over most of the day, so I could be completely wrong.
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El Zilcho
Professor
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Originally posted by LabMonkey: I like the theory Pikka, but the movies are intertwined, so I don't think it totally holds up. The funeral in Clerks, is for the girl that died in the swimming pool in Mallrats. Other connections exist, but I don't remember them. I do seem to remember that the original "Jersey Trilogy" was suppose to all take place in about a single weekend. But I'm tired and have been hung over most of the day, so I could be completely wrong. I'm not sure about Chasing Amy, but I know Mallrats was supposed to take place the day before Clerks in the continuity (give it up for Special Edition DVD's!).
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