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Gleno

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« Reply #80 on: 10-27-2003 11:30 »
« Last Edit on: 10-27-2003 11:30 »

ok first off did Stu Hart pass away....?
That sux poor Brett and his family have gone through so much....I'll never forget when I found out about Owen I was reading the PPV results and it came to the part about Owen falling and I didn't know whether to believe it or not but man it was such a shock....
I never saw RAW the following night but I wish I had, all the wrestlers were out of character expressing their sorrow....

Anyway my 2 bits on WWE....me and my bro were huge fans, grew up with WWF, lost interest for a few years but got back into it in about 1995....I started losing interest when WCW  died and it all became one federation....I've never liked Hulk Hogan he should retire already....  roll eyes

The last few PPV's have been forgettable, the last one I can really remember enjoying was some time in 2000....
I hope they can bring back what it once was but I dunno....

TOTP Bodyslam....!  mad

Let me break....let me break you down....for your sake....I will break you down...."[/small]
Juliet

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« Reply #81 on: 10-27-2003 11:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Gleno:
ok first off did Stu Hart pass away....?
That sux poor Brett and his family have gone through so much....I'll never forget when I found out about Owen I was reading the PPV results and it came to the part about Owen falling and I didn't know whether to believe it or not but man it was such a shock....
I never saw RAW the following night but I wish I had, all the wrestlers were out of character expressing their sorrow....

I remember that. It was really sad for what has happened. It was live too and it was a good thing that they didn’t show the ring for what has happened. You could see the crowd and a sad look on their faces. My mum was with me at the time I watched it. She thinks that it was all a fake but she was wrong. I had the videotape of the night after where expressing their sorrow. I cried when I watch it with my dad. Yeah he likes WWF and he felt sad when he watched it.

Wonderbee31

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« Reply #82 on: 10-27-2003 16:40 »

@Melllvar, oh yeah, Mr. Socko, that was something great.  You know, it's always the things that are unscripted that can work out the best.  Mick Foley just wanted to have something stupid to annoy Vince with in the segment, came up with a sock puppet, and then the next night, there were dozens of signs, with Mr Socko on them.  Same for Austin 3:16, he just said an off-the-cuff remark, and the next night, people just took off with it.

Funniest moment, where I almost laughed the whole segment, D-X's parody of the Nation of Domination, just howled when I was watching that.

@Juliet, Owen Hart was a great wrestler, and never got all of the heat that he should have.  He was one of the WWF's consumate professionals, like Arn Andersen was with WCW, Owen would do whatever the company asked of him.  He would have been a great world chapion, if he didn't have to have been caught up in the politics of the Kliq at the time.  I miss him too.
Juliet

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« Reply #83 on: 10-28-2003 05:11 »

 
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Originally posted by Wonderbee31:
Funniest moment, where I almost laughed the whole segment, D-X's parody of the Nation of Domination, just howled when I was watching that.

Oh man how can I forget about that bit. That bit was so funny even though I hated DX at the time. I was sticking up for NOD because of my huge crush on the Rock. HHH makes a really good impression of “The Crock” and that kid was really good as Owen Heart.



Other funny moment was the 30 minute long of Mankind doing “This Is Your Life” with The Rock.

Melllvar

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« Reply #84 on: 10-28-2003 06:13 »
« Last Edit on: 10-28-2003 06:13 »

Yeah, that NOD/DX segment was great, and that kid was fantastic as Owen Hart.  Although I prefer when DX invaded Nitro.

EDIT: I read on that Dirtsheet Site which Wonderbee recommended (Rajahwwf.com), that it's rumoured that 'Taker may lose the Buried Alive match, go away, then resurface at WMXX with his old Dead Man gimmick.  Thoughts?

Yeah!  And bring back Paul Bearer too!  wink

Personally, I hated his newer gimmick, the biker-dude.  However, how much longer is Calloway going to be pushed?  He's been a good servant to the WWF, but time to bring on some of the new guys, perhaps let him put over some younger wrestlers, then stick him as a manager.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #85 on: 10-28-2003 08:35 »

Yeah, I agree with you there Melllvar, they really need to get away from the older guys, and start moving the younger talent on up.  I can see McMahon's p.o.v, he knows that Undertaker, Sean Michaels, etc. can, as Eric Bischoff so crassly said on WCW Nitro once, put butts in seats.

But, he's gotta realize, you can only have the same folks out there wrestling the same feuds, before people start to turn off completely.  He really does need to start putting the older guys as more road agents, managers and things like that, and get the newer guys promoted better, else his market share against other type of entertainment is going to drop like a flat pickle.  (flat pickle, where the hell'd that come from?)  confused
Teesside Inc

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« Reply #86 on: 10-28-2003 12:06 »

Which team on Raw going to win at Survivor Series, TEAM AUSTIN or TEAM BISCHOFF?
newhook_1

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« Reply #87 on: 10-28-2003 12:11 »

God I hope team Bishoff wins. I can't stand Austin being able to kick everyone's ass while not even being a wrestler anymore, it makes the wrestlers on RAW look weak. Upon saying that though, we all know Team Austin will win unless there is interference.
evan

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« Reply #88 on: 10-28-2003 17:06 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
Which team on Raw going to win at Survivor Series, TEAM AUSTIN or TEAM BISCHOFF?

The real losers will be the fans.   evil laugh
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #89 on: 10-28-2003 17:13 »

 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
God I hope team Bishoff wins. I can't stand Austin being able to kick everyone's ass while not even being a wrestler anymore, it makes the wrestlers on RAW look weak. Upon saying that though, we all know Team Austin will win unless there is interference.

In the last three years I don't think I've ever been convinced by Austin's supposed god-like status. The idea that that bald, dumpy, beer-swilling retard could knock out a 500lb giant by bouncing his face off his shoulder I just found completely ludicrous.  roll eyes
Mr. Potter

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« Reply #90 on: 10-28-2003 17:17 »

I used to be an enormous fan. Then I lost interest, then they stopped showing it in Costa Rica. End of Story
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #91 on: 10-28-2003 17:29 »

I think that the reason for Austin's popularity in the earlier years, was that he was what people would like to do to their evil, moronic boss.  Lately though, when they tried to turn him heel, it failed miserably, and then they made him a general manager of RAW as well.  Still doesn't work for him, because the character  is anti-authority, so, when you put that character in a position of authority, it falls flat for me.  That, and he has to work opposite Eric Bischoff, who has a poor evil McMahon style going right now.
Coop

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« Reply #92 on: 10-28-2003 18:20 »
« Last Edit on: 10-28-2003 18:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
 In the last three years I don't think I've ever been convinced by Austin's supposed god-like status. The idea that that bald, dumpy, beer-swilling retard could knock out a 500lb giant by bouncing his face off his shoulder I just found completely ludicrous.    roll eyes

Same way Shane can beat Kane and Benoit can beat the big show...
Its wrestling, its fake. Austin is tough because he is popular. When Austin whoops people I believe it for the same reason I can believe Rey Mysterio can beat anybody, hes just a tough little guy.

And no, im sure the Stunner wouldnt knock out anyone, but neither would the peoples elbow or the olympic slam or pretty much anything on wrestling TV.

 
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Originally posted by evan:
The real losers will be the fans.

uh..ok. Booker T, Jericho, Christian and RVD are already in the match. Yeah...sounds like a real sleeper there.   roll eyes


 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
God I hope team Bishoff wins. I can't stand Austin being able to kick everyone's ass while not even being a wrestler anymore, it makes the wrestlers on RAW look weak. Upon saying that though, we all know Team Austin will win unless there is interference.

Yeah, but whats more unbelievable? that an ex wrestler would be able to beat other wrestlers? Or the son of the boss who has no real wrestling skill can beat up Kane and RVD cant?

ANYWAY, now that I'm finished bitching(I hope everyone else here is too). Lets talk about something more pleasent? What do you all currently like(not sure why I'm even asking)about WWE currently?

I myself am impressed by Garrison Cade. Not so much Mark Jindrak though. I also really like La Resistance and Rodney Mack on RAW.

On Smackdown: of course I love V1 and especially Kurt Angle!


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Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #93 on: 10-28-2003 18:39 »

 
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Originally posted by Coop:
  Same way Shane can beat Kane and Benoit can beat the big show...

Shane always took big risks in being the "giant killer" whilst Benoit, of course, is a very talented technical wrestler. Austin's a slow, clumsy slob. Only Hogan's wrestling style is less convincing.

 
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Its wrestling, its fake.

 What? Since when?  roll eyes

 
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Austin is tough because he is popular. When Austin whoops people I believe it for the same reason I can believe Rey Mysterio can beat anybody, hes just a tough little guy.

 But again, Rey Mysterio is clearly a physically able and impressive to watch superstar. Austin punches, stomps, bounces people off his shoulder and only does the occasional sleeper or other basic submission move. Not that similar.

 
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And no, im sure the Stunner wouldnt knock out anyone, but neither would the peoples elbow or the olympic slam or pretty much anything on wrestling TV.

 What about the Pedigree?  evil laugh
newhook_1

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« Reply #94 on: 10-28-2003 19:21 »

Right now I really like Jerico, but that's nothing new. I also like John Cena, he has alot of potenial. Of course I also like V1, Booker T, The worlds greatest tag team, Kurt Angle and many others. Any one else notice that the women's matchs on RAW have been very good the last couple of months?
Coop

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« Reply #95 on: 10-28-2003 22:27 »

The most damage a Pedigree could do is break your nose.  roll eyes

And since WHEN does ability mean anything in wrestling? You HONESTLY tell me that ability matters when Goldberg is world champion. Austin has 10x the ability of Goldberg or half of the guys that step into that squared circle these days.

Its pretty obvious that you just don't like Stone Cold, and thats cool with me. It just makes it pointless to argue with you, I mean, im not trying to change the fact that its rediculous, just trying to rationalize it.

Sure its rediculous that Stone Cold can harm anyone, especially in his current condition, but it makes for good tv. The people pop for it every time and thats what matters.


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Melllvar

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« Reply #96 on: 10-29-2003 07:54 »

Indeed, popping the crowd is what it's all it's about.  There's no more a stupid finisher than The People's Elbow.

I read Mick Foley's first book "Have A Nice Day" and especially loved the bit about making the worst match ever with Owen Hart (lots of sleeper holds, and Mick's crappy finisher, The Mandible Claw).  laff
Juliet

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« Reply #97 on: 10-29-2003 08:31 »

I got the book, "The Rocks Says"

Wonderbee31

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« Reply #98 on: 10-29-2003 08:42 »

Popping the crowd is what you have to do.  There's nothing worse for a wrestler than a dead crowd.  At least if they're booing you, they're acknowledgeing you.  I think one of the reasons for Austin's popularity is his ability to cut a promo. Most of the popular wrestlers can play the crowd, Arn Anderson, Ric Flair, The Rock, HHH, they can all get the crowd into their character's.  Mic skills are one of the hardest things to cultivate, but if you can get pretty good at it, it makes your job that much easier.
Gleno

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« Reply #99 on: 10-29-2003 10:15 »

Test and Christian both cut their hair...nuff said  frown

Yeah the pedigree is one of the more dangerous moves, apparently only Triple H is allowed to do it, cos he knows the right way....although he lets go these days when he never used to....

I always wondered though with the stunner, does the persons chin get jarred or does Austin let go at the last minute or somthing....?
Melllvar

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« Reply #100 on: 10-29-2003 10:27 »

Depends wholely on the other guys ability to sell the move.  Some people can really sell the Stunner, others can't - like Kevin Nash, for example.

Regarding the Pedigree, isn't that relating to the WWF's banning on piledrivers because of neck injuries, the most famous of which was Owen Hart's botched piledriver on Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Oh, and if you're looking for a move which really hurts.  Try the figure-four leglock.
Gleno

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« Reply #101 on: 10-29-2003 10:42 »

I've done the figure 4 on my brother and it only hurts when I grab the twisted leg and push it further up  evil laugh

And yeah Melllvar you're right, they banned piledrivers and similar moves but I see Taker using the tombstone again....?
bender55

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« Reply #102 on: 10-29-2003 12:19 »
« Last Edit on: 10-29-2003 12:19 »

Survivor Series is going to be the best darn PPV in a long time here is the line up (so far there is lots more to be added) :

Five on Five
Team Bischoff
vs.
Team Stone Cold

Ambulance Match
Shane McMahon
vs.
Kane

Buried Alive Match
Undertaker
vs.
Mr. McMahon

World Heavyweight Championship
Triple H
vs.
Goldberg

Women's Championship
Lita
vs.
Molly

The Buried Alive Match is going to be great.     big grin
This looks like a very strong card so far...this is not the final card.

I am hopeing there is a Good match With Rey mysterio in it also.
Melllvar

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« Reply #103 on: 10-29-2003 12:28 »

Don't forget what I posted about the Buried Alive match.  'Taker may be losing it as a precursor to going back to the Dead Man gimmick, resurfacing at WMXX.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #104 on: 10-29-2003 13:07 »

The figure four definitely hurts, as does it's other version, the Sharp-shooter(Scorpion Death-lock), the Cobra clutch, Ankle-lock, frog splash, Nash's power-bomb, the choke slam, basically, anything that ends with you bouncing off of that plywood mat.  Chops can hurt like hell, Wahoo McDaniel had some of the meanest in the business.

Sleeper hold, pfft, rest hold.  Sweet chin music can hurt, especially if your'e set up wrong for it.

Hopefully, the Buried Alive match might have an intereting twist to it.
Melllvar

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« Reply #105 on: 10-29-2003 13:12 »
« Last Edit on: 10-29-2003 13:12 »

 
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Originally posted by Wonderbee31:
.... basically, anything that ends with you bouncing off of that plywood mat.

Makes Mick Foley's chokeslam through the cage at that KotR all the more incredible, doesn't it?
bender55

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« Reply #106 on: 10-29-2003 13:47 »

Will Goldberg retain the belt agenst HHH this time round ?
Melllvar

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« Reply #107 on: 10-29-2003 14:58 »

Pssh, no brainer.  Goldberg will be made to drop the strap to Triple-H.  No question.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #108 on: 10-29-2003 16:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Coop:
The most damage a Pedigree could do is break your nose.   roll eyes

Why the rolleyes? That's better than what the other moves could do.  tongue

 
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And since WHEN does ability mean anything in wrestling? You HONESTLY tell me that ability matters when Goldberg is world champion. Austin has 10x the ability of Goldberg or half of the guys that step into that squared circle these days.

Goldberg's bigger and stronger. Also, that Jackhammer finisher of his is actually a half-convincing wrestling move.

 
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Its pretty obvious that you just don't like Stone Cold, and thats cool with me. It just makes it pointless to argue with you, I mean, im not trying to change the fact that its rediculous, just trying to rationalize it.

I was just saying how my disinterest in wrestling was fuelled by 'wrestlers' who I perceive to be false-gods. The people who I consider most impressive to watch rarely become champion and often pretend to be given a run for their money by the false-gods when in reality they could easily kick their arses. That's my perception of it.

 
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Sure its rediculous that Stone Cold can harm anyone, especially in his current condition, but it makes for good tv. The people pop for it every time and thats what matters.

 Well, I don't, and that's what matters to me.  cool

 
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Originally posted by Gleno:
Yeah the pedigree is one of the more dangerous moves, apparently only Triple H is allowed to do it, cos he knows the right way....although he lets go these days when he never used to....

 Apparently, only HHH can use a sledgehammer too. And the letting go might've been partly inspired by the time Angle got knocked silly on top of the announcer's table.  wink

Wonderbee31

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« Reply #109 on: 10-29-2003 20:51 »

 
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Originally posted by *Melllvar*:
[Makes Mick Foley's chokeslam through the cage at that KotR all the more incredible, doesn't it?

For me, that was pretty awesome.  I've had a chance to work with guys in the now defunct Frontier Martial-arts Wrestling(FMW).  You had explosives, electric fences,(raises hand) and barb wire matches, but, it was still planned.  When Mick Foley went off the cage, through the announce table, that was planned, but his going through the cage, and bouncing on the mat, was a shoot.  The scary kind, because anytime you fall like that, and you're not prepared, something gets hurt, bad.
newhook_1

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« Reply #110 on: 10-29-2003 21:01 »
« Last Edit on: 10-29-2003 21:01 »

The fact that a chair went through with him and landed on his face didn't help either, but we all know that Mick Foley is just awsome.

*Edit* Anyone read Mick's newest book? If you did was it any good? I wanted to check it out but didn't want to waste $20 bucks incase it was crap.
evan

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« Reply #111 on: 10-29-2003 21:15 »
« Last Edit on: 10-29-2003 21:15 »

And that, friends, is why Mick Foley is 35 years old and forced into retirement.

For every lovable Foley, there's some indy worker who tries something equally stupid and nearly dies emulating Foley. I'm looking at you, XPW!

Personally, I enjoy the more mat based wrestling. After seeing enough Axl v. Ian Rotten matches in ECW, the gore factor is kinda boring.
Gleno

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« Reply #112 on: 10-30-2003 09:09 »

quote:
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Originally posted by Me:
Yeah the pedigree is one of the more dangerous moves, apparently only Triple H is allowed to do it, cos he knows the right way....although he lets go these days when he never used to....
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Apparently, only HHH can use a sledgehammer too. And the letting go might've been partly inspired by the time Angle got knocked silly on top of the announcer's table

Pfftt he doesn't even hit them with the sledge....and the time Kurt was "knocked out" was a stuff up....the table broke before it was supposed to, but they had to go ahead with the story line anyway....his head didn't hit the table at all....

Sorry to tear apart the fakeness of it but sometimes it shits me.... tongue
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #113 on: 10-30-2003 21:55 »

Hey folks, I've got a question for you, which entrance theme do you like the most?

I've always liked Ahmed Johnson's theme, Stone cold's theme circa 1998 always rocked, loved the Nation of Domination theme, and of course, Ric Flairs's is always cool.  For WCW, not much ever made an impression with me, except for DDP's self-high five, which was a riff on Nervana's Teen spirt song.
eggsandwich

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« Reply #114 on: 10-30-2003 23:27 »

Early X-Pac, D-Generation X, Cactus Jack & Mick Foley's entrance themes were all good.
evan

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« Reply #115 on: 10-30-2003 23:37 »

To go really old-school, you have to include "Real American" and Slick's "Jive Soul Bro." Both still bring a smile to my face, 15 years later.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #116 on: 10-30-2003 23:54 »

 
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To go really old-school, you have to include "Real American" and Slick's "Jive Soul Bro." Both still bring a smile to my face, 15 years later.

Let's go more old school, I remember Jimmy Valiant's theme, "The boy from New York city", maybe being sung by Manhattan Transfer back then, always cool to hear, as well as JYD's theme.  I also like Rufus R. "Freight-train" Jones theme as well.
Melllvar

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« Reply #117 on: 10-31-2003 03:17 »
« Last Edit on: 10-31-2003 03:17 »

You can't go too wrong with "Badstreet USA" by the "greatest rock n roll band in the world" - The Fabulous Freebirds.

Funny, that Kurt Angle's theme is the one the WWF used for someone else (perhaps, The Patriot?), and latterly Disturbed's "Glass Shatters" which was Stone Cold's theme for a while.

EDIT: Kerry Von Erich in USWA was known as the "modern day warrior", so his theme was "Tom Sawyer" by Rush.  Classic.
Coop

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« Reply #118 on: 11-01-2003 12:46 »

Ultimate warriors was great.

I love Rodney Mack's theme.


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newhook_1

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« Reply #119 on: 11-01-2003 12:55 »

I don't like Evolution much but I like their entrance theme. Edge and Christian's from back in the day when they where still a teg team was pretty cool too.
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