Action Jacktion

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« Reply #40 on: 05-05-2003 22:41 »
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I loved The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr. It and The X-Files actually started at the same time, were on the same night, and got the same incredibly low ratings (usually in the bottom ten every week). Fox decided to renew X-Files because it had a (relatively) big fan following and was "cool;" you know the rest. Brisco, however, ended after one season. I heard a rumor of a DVD set, but it probably won't happen.
And I said before that I think the thirteen episodes of Crusade are still better than the last three Star Trek shows. It could've been a science fiction "ship" show done right, but it was cancelled before it even aired. Its treatment by TNT was very similar to Futurama's treatment by Fox: Both were initially considered high-profile shows for their networks, both were approved largely because of the popularity of the creators' previous show, the networks wanted to make changes and add their own ideas but were opposed by the creators, both shows ended up being different from what the networks wanted, and of course both were cancelled (and no other network was willing or able to pick them up). But considering Crusade's run of less than one season, it seems we're lucky to have had as many episodes of Futurama as we did (though of course there still should have been more). Maybe Fox hated Futurama, but TNT hated Crusade.
(I thought of starting a B5 thread, but I'm not sure how to make it more than "Hey, isn't B5 cool?" Though I could explain how it is not a rip-off of DS9.)
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Action Jacktion

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« Reply #47 on: 05-09-2003 14:45 »
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Originally posted by PCC Fred: And boy, was Crusade crap! Liar! Actually, the TV movies were disappointing overall. It's like JMS can only work with one-hour or season-long stories. But I thought Crusade was good. Sure, it could have been better, but I'm still impressed at how much better it was than Star Trek, which at the time had gotten me thinking that "ship" shows no longer worked. I think it would've become even better, but of course we won't find out now. And no matter what its quality, it didn't deserve to be treated the way TNT treated it.
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Action Jacktion

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For those of you who liked God, the Devil, and Bob, I understand that the American cable network Trio will show it next month, including the episodes NBC didn't air. I guess that's good news, if you get Trio. I'd never heard of it.
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Action Jacktion

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Originally posted by PCC Fred: But to me Crusade went downhill when Tracy Scoggins and what's his face started getting it on. Yeah, that was unpleasant. But I think she was only in two or three episodes, even though the opening credits listed her. She was never an interesting character, probably because she was quickly created to replace Ivanova. They threw in something about her being a former drug addict but it didn't help much.
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MelBee

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Two words: American Gothic.
I can't believe they cancelled it after only one series.
It was so full of potential (and Bruce Campbell. Although he did get eaten by bugs).
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Akito01

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Originally posted by newhook_1: Johnathen Crosses Canada, and Made In Canada did CBC cancel these because they are funny as hell. One Johnathen Crosses Canada is a spoof of those human intrest story shows, and Made in Canada is a satire of the television industry. I wish I knew for sure. I only recently moved to the states, and I came across an episode of Made In Canada (guest starring Sarah Polly) on Bravo -except it was called 'The Industry', or something similar. With the exception of Twitch City, it probably is about the best sit-com Canada has produced in a dogs age. Its a blazingly cynical show though, which makes me wonder how well it went over in the ratings. Without a character to root or care for, that kind of approach can leave a lot of people cold.
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~FazeShift~

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« Reply #59 on: 05-26-2003 22:04 »
« Last Edit on: 05-26-2003 22:04 »
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Anybody ever watch a show called Due South? It was about a mountie and a cop and I thought it was excellent stuff, how many seasons did it go on for does anyone know? Edit: I see they made it onto R1 DVD (Season 1 & 2) but not R2!! Doesn't matter. *points to his region free player* *notices PEEL can't see it through the interweb* BLAST!
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Action Jacktion

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Due South ran three seasons, though there was a year between the second and third.
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DrThunder88

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Now that television is entering (or getting more deeply rooted in) its golden era of stupidity, I realize just how much I miss Family Guy.
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Lurrr

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I've just looked back over the thread and noticed the many comments about Crusade, so I've decided to give my 2 cents.
I personaly though Crusade had a bright future ahead of it. The last few episodes were on a par with B5 material, and certainly better then anything Star Trek has put out in recent years (mainly because JMS can actually think up original storylines). But as ActionJacktion said, TNT hated it. They hated it because they wanted a B5 clone, whereas JMS had a different view of the show. They made him write an extra five or so episodes to their requirements and put them at the begining of the series, which is why a) they make no sense in the continuity, and b) they suck big time. Then they just got fed up and pulled the plug. This was before even a single episode had been aired.
Crusade did deserve better. There were lots of plot threads that JMS introduced that would have had a big pay-off later on, which is what kept people watching. Most B5 fans knew that it wasn't until later that all the good stuff would come. Unfortunately the industry doesn't like something that doesn't say 'bang' from the word go.
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Action Jacktion

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From what I heard, TNT didn't really want a B5 clone, they wanted something with lots of sex and mindless action (and by action I mean fistfights, not space battles). In another thread I mentioned TNT's idea for a "sexual explorer" who'd have sex with every kind of alien they encountered. Yes, that was a real idea for "improving" the show.
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Originally posted by Action Jacktion: From what I heard, TNT didn't really want a B5 clone, they wanted something with lots of sex and mindless action (and by action I mean fistfights, not space battles). In another thread I mentioned TNT's idea for a "sexual explorer" who'd have sex with every kind of alien they encountered. Yes, that was a real idea for "improving" the show. That's the story I heard too. I can't remember the exact quote, but it either made mention of professional wrestling or Baywatch, and how that was how the network wanted to skew the show. Truth alwasy manages to be stranger than fiction. I don't even want to know what went on at the production meetings with the network execs when that was broached.
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i_c_weiner

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Now that it's been canceled, I'd say Arrested Devolpment. Great show, but was on the wrong channel. If NBC had started it, it would've faired much better. Look at My Name is Earl and The Office. If you stuck either on Fox, Fox would've canceled them.
I'd have to say Invader Zim has been the best of the shows that could have been great. Nick didn't know what they had. It wasn't right for the audience. Invader Zim was awesome.
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