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OC_James

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« on: 05-02-2003 17:23 »
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Okay, I'm fairly new here so someone tell me if this thread has been done before. Basically, this thread is to talk about shows that could have been incredibly successful... if only they hadn't have been cancelled at an early age. (Futurama is a good example-that is if it does get cancelled) So this thread is all about making sure that the spirit of shows that could have been will live on in their fans' hearts and messages. I will bring up the first show.

Invader Zim- Now I'm not a fan of Nickelodeon at all. (Let's face it the network pretty much went to hell in the mid and late 90's) But one day at my neice's house I saw this show and it was one of the most brilliant things I had ever seen. It was about an alien who tricked into thinking he was supposed to take over Earth. With the help of his robot companion, GIR he tries to destroy Earth over and over again...and always failing. This show was innovative because it made you cheer for the bad guy at times as well as the good guy occasionally. But it was somewhat-more adult than Nick had hoped and they did the "Hide John the deformed son in the Shed" play on it by putting it in bad time slots, changing the time slots, not doing many commercials for it, and sometimes not even showing it at all! Due to the fact that no one could ever find when it was on it eventually got cancelled.    :mad: Now, I'm angry. For a while it showed as reruns on Sundays but I haven't seen in over two months. A lot of fans petitioned however and as a result there may be a DVD release of the first two seasons. But for now, fans can only hope...
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« Reply #1 on: 05-02-2003 17:31 »

I hear The Lone Gunmen was axed and I think it's very good.

Also, God The Devil and Bob.
OC_James

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« Reply #2 on: 05-02-2003 17:34 »
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Ah...God, The Devil, and Bob. That show was brilliant. (The Devil reminded me a lot of Beezlebot) Than those meddling uptight Christians from Iowa or Michigan or whatever had to go and complain. Bunch of morons who couldn't take a joke.
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« Reply #3 on: 05-02-2003 17:35 »

 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
I hear The Lone Gunmen was axed and I think it's very good.

Also, God The Devil and Bob.

YES! Hillarious show! How come near everythiing can be made fun of (Countries, sex (male/femal), intelligence) but not religion? People take some things way too seriously!
Lurrr

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« Reply #4 on: 05-02-2003 17:47 »

Babylon 5:Crusade (Nothing that JMS does can be done in less than four years)

Cartoon Network used to do a programme called 'What a Cartoon!' Where they showed pilots for new series' (like Cow and Chicken, and Dexter's Lab). One of these was a really sureal one about a man and this really smart dog which I thought would have made a great series. It was probably too smart for CN's audience.

Oh, and whoever they fired after the first series of Johnny Bravo should be hauled back in. As far as I'm concerned it ended then.
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« Reply #5 on: 05-02-2003 17:49 »
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Aslate you fool, Lone Gunmen wasn't about religion!!   :laff:

I kid, I kid!
I hope they do a Lone Gunmen DVD, not likely though, is it?
A search in Grokster had feck all results, bah!
Kryten

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« Reply #6 on: 05-02-2003 17:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Lurrr:
Cartoon Network used to do a programme called 'What a Cartoon!' Where they showed pilots for new series' (like Cow and Chicken, and Dexter's Lab). One of these was a really sureal one about a man and this really smart dog which I thought would have made a great series. It was probably too smart for CN's audience.

Actually, "Larry and Steve" eventually became a series... called "Family Guy".
PCC Fred

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« Reply #7 on: 05-02-2003 23:43 »

How about the Phil Hartman show a.k.a. Newsradio?  Although there wasn't much future for the show after Hartman's death, it was badly under-appreciated during it's run, and NBC didn't help matters by moving it in the schedules half a dozen times.  Then again, what do you expect from the network who commited the biggest cancellation backfire in TV history with Star Trek?

Ironically, in 1983 NBC renewed a flop sitcom that had a disasterous first season, finishing bottom of the prime-time ratings.  You may have heard of it.  It was called Cheers.
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« Reply #8 on: 05-03-2003 00:03 »

Pinky and the Brain had a lot of potential until they threw Elmyra into the mix.  The addition of one of television's most enduringly annoying characters would drag any show down.  I'm really going to be ticked if Boomtown doesn't make a triumphant return next fall.
Grim

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« Reply #9 on: 05-03-2003 00:20 »

Pinky and the Brain was starting to get a little adult for the intended audience, so that's why they put Elmyra into it.

As for Boomtown, I hope it does get cancelled, its that POS show that pushed futurama into the depth of late night TV here in Australia (and it always runs long!)
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« Reply #10 on: 05-03-2003 00:46 »

When they put a show in a prime time slot like they did with P&tB, that's a good indicator that the intended audience is a little more adult than Elmyra fans tend to be.  Sorry to hear about your Boomtown troubles.  It was so great over here in the States...during the regular season (when there were new episodes) it was Futurama, King of the Hill, an hour nap, Law and Order Criminal Intent, and Boomtown.
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« Reply #11 on: 05-03-2003 00:58 »

ah. i remember the good ol' days when i would watch a show called "herman's head." but alas, those days are gone.
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« Reply #12 on: 05-03-2003 05:58 »

 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
I hear The Lone Gunmen was axed and I think it's very good.

Also, God The Devil and Bob.


I hear that!
Lurrr

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« Reply #13 on: 05-03-2003 06:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
Actually, "Larry and Steve" eventually became a series... called "Family Guy".

And if any channel in the UK actually showed Family Guy I would watch it. Maybe I'll take the risk and buy the DVD's instead.
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« Reply #14 on: 05-03-2003 06:55 »

Channel 4 shows Family Guy at around 2am on Saturday morning...
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« Reply #15 on: 05-03-2003 07:07 »

 
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Originally posted by OC_James:
Ah...God, The Devil, and Bob. That show was brilliant. (The Devil reminded me a lot of Beezlebot) Than those meddling uptight Christians from Iowa or Michigan or whatever had to go and complain. Bunch of morons who couldn't take a joke.
Odd that Christians there objected, I remember a priest on the radio here talking about it being a good moral show.

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« Reply #16 on: 05-03-2003 07:29 »

God, The Devil and Bob was brilliant, I loved it. We got to watch it in R.E. I loved the voice of the Devil though, quite funny  :) And umm..what was the Devil's sidekick called, Smeck or something?
OC_James

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« Reply #17 on: 05-03-2003 10:58 »
« Last Edit on: 05-03-2003 10:58 »

Does anyone know if "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" was cancelled or not? I'm curious because I haven't it in a while and when I did see it last it had been coming back on and off every few weeks. If it was than that's a very big shame. That was perhaps the funniest show to come out on FOX since Futurama. And for those of you who didn't like it do want Andy Richter or the Pitts? I mean honestly what's funny about a cheesy show of a weird family that have unfortunate luck and a bad laughtrack?

Oh and Alex Cumming (He's a sorta famous Broadway star) played the Devil on "God, The Devil, and Bob".
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« Reply #18 on: 05-03-2003 11:20 »

 
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Originally posted by OC_James:
Oh and Alex Cumming (He's a sorta famous Broadway star) played the Devil on "God, The Devil, and Bob".

Don't you mean Alan Cumming, star of GoldenEye, Spy Kids and X2?
OC_James

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« Reply #19 on: 05-03-2003 11:36 »
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Oh, yes those too I suppose. Though I can say I avoided Spy Kids like the plague.  It's a movie about spies who are kids? Honestly. However, I did hear Cheech was in it. Is this true? Has this former star lost it's shine so badly that he's been reduced to making below-mediocre movies about kids who are spies?!
I did know about him in Goldeneye but I remembered his job as a broadway actor better because I recently saw an episode of Saturday Night Live where his whole monologue was about Broadway plays.
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« Reply #20 on: 05-03-2003 11:57 »

 
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Originally posted by BarneyBurnham:
 Don't you mean Alan Cumming, star of GoldenEye, Spy Kids and X2?

Yes it is Alan Cumming.

That reminds me, here is an amusing "revue" of the show  :laff:

LaVaLaDy

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« Reply #21 on: 05-03-2003 12:50 »

I really liked Mike, Lu, and Og. I first saw it on cartoon network whene they had some sort of a 5 to 6 year old show where they showed a bunch of cartoons. It was on cartoon cartoon friday for a while but then they replaced it. I loved that show  :( what happend to it?
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« Reply #22 on: 05-03-2003 17:17 »

I've also loved Invader Zim. Its a quality show.

Also, Clone High is amazing and it got screwed.
OC_James

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« Reply #23 on: 05-03-2003 18:56 »
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Thanks for bringing that review of "God, The Devil, and Bob" to my attention Tweek. I found it quite funny and quite scary that there are people who actually think so narrow-mindedly. I know he'll never read this because this website is for a sci-fi tv show and apparently Mr. Paul Barnes (The ultra-right wing conservative Christian reviewer) believes that anyone who likes Sci-fi is an atheist. I've come up with some counter-points to the points he made in his reciew.
(Read the link Tweek posted before going on)
1. What do you mean alcohol is blasphemy? In the Bibile, Jesus turned water into wine, did he not? This means even Jesus likes a brewski occasionally. And what do you mean God can't do the things common people do because he is not ua commoner like us? He created us in the vision of him.

2. Just because some of the people James Garner has played in past films doesn't mean he himself is a bad person and undeserving to play God.

3. Jerry Garcia kicks ass.

4. Alan Cumming can't help what his last name is and changing it would be disrespecting his parents which is a sin.

5. So what if French Stewart played an alien on 3rd Rock From the Sun? Scientific evidence tells us that it is completely impossible for Earth to be the only inhabitable planet. Plus, just because someone likes Sci-fi doesn't mean they're an atheist. I have many Christian friends who like Star Wars and Star Trek (as well as Futurama).


6. Um...former means he graduated unlike you who is probably still stuck in the 3rd grade. Fractions too hard for ya Paul?

7."They talked about his daughter's period. That's Dirty." Honestly you remind me of kids I knew in Elementary School. Periods are a perfectly natural thing and mentioning them makes girls more aware of the changes affecting them. Haven't you ever seen "Carrie"? Wait, you probably didn;t watch that because it could be considered a sci-fi movie.

8. Doesn't man have the right to question authority?

9. They didn't make Hell look like a good place. That was the EMPLOYEE'S lounge we were seeing. not the place where people were being tortured.

10. The plot makes it funny you dumbass.

11. Okay, I hate Veggietales but they are based on the Bible (from what I understand at least) and they are a work of fiction yet how could you consider talking vegetables a sin? It's a bad idea for a show but not sinful.

Well, I'm done criticizing stupidity for one day. But remember whenever there is a show that's being pushed for censorship, books being burned, or lessons on evolution being kept out of school I will be there to try and stop the stupidity with logical and practical solutions.


aslate

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« Reply #24 on: 05-03-2003 18:58 »

Yea, i read that before Tweek linked it!

 
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Originally posted by that crap site
2. The Devil was voiced by Alan Cumming. What kind of a name is
"Cumming"? How vulgar can a person get? Besides, isn't he a gay
homosexual? Gay homosexuals ar not like normal people. They have black
hearts that pump, not blood, but a black oily substance. They are evil.
And even if he's not really a gay homosexual, he played one in Cabaret.
That's just as bad.

 :laff:  :laff:  :laff:
OC_James

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« Reply #25 on: 05-03-2003 19:12 »
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lol. I'd love to see his review of South Park. "Gay homosexuals are not like normal people. They have black
hearts that pump, not blood, but a black oily substance. They are evil."-Paul G. Barnes. I wonder what school this yokel went to? Perhaps Jerry Falwell Middle School.
(For all of you who don't know this Jerry Falwell was this loony on The 700 Club who said gays, feminists, and atheists were the cause of September 11th)
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« Reply #26 on: 05-03-2003 19:28 »

Gee, I thought that "God, the Devil, and Bob" review was supposed to be a joke. You know, someone pretending to be a Christian-nut and protesting the show by being really stupid. No one can be that dumb...can they?
Kryten

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« Reply #27 on: 05-03-2003 22:16 »

 
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Originally posted by LaVaLaDy:
I really liked Mike, Lu, and Og.

So you're the one.  :p
OC_James

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« Reply #28 on: 05-03-2003 22:22 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
Gee, I thought that "God, the Devil, and Bob" review was supposed to be a joke. You know, someone pretending to be a Christian-nut and protesting the show by being really stupid. No one can be that dumb...can they?

You've never visited a little town called Monterey, Tennessee have you? The whole town pretty much thinks the same way.
LaVaLaDy

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« Reply #29 on: 05-03-2003 22:23 »

HEY! that was cold  :(
OC_James

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« Reply #30 on: 05-03-2003 22:35 »

I just remembered a series most Kevin Smith fans'll be familiar with: Clerks The Animated Series. Two episodes and it's canned. Like Invader Zim and Futurama it had the "Hide John the Deformed Son in the Shed" strategy played on it. It also aired out of order with important episodes missing which confused many fans including myself. Luckily I've got the DVD with the two unaired episodes and Kevin Smith has started writing a script for a movie based on the series.
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« Reply #31 on: 05-03-2003 22:42 »

i loved:
God, the Devil, and Bob
Invader Zim
Greg the Bunny.
evan

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« Reply #32 on: 05-03-2003 23:31 »

I hate to break it to you, OC, but the Clerks cartoon wasn't that funny. Don't get me wrong, I love the movie, but it's not exactly something that would translate well into an animated series. The movie is basically all dialogue, and cartoons generally are visually interesting.
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« Reply #33 on: 05-03-2003 23:37 »
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Yeah, I know it wasn't as good as the movie (mainly because it was on ABC which ,being owned by Disney, probably censored any jokes they thought would be even remotley offensive) and it was still early in the series and Smith had never written a cartoon show before. The Simpsons wasn't too good in the 1st season. Though that season did have some classic episodes. The Simpsons haydays really began in Season 2 and it was at it's peak through Seasons 3-8. If Clerks had been given more support by ABC I think it would've become better over time.
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« Reply #34 on: 05-04-2003 01:34 »

Andy Ritcher could've been great. Now I wonder where Andy will get his next big break. And the Critic was a really great show. FOX gave them a second chance (they were on NBC before) and this was before the FOX animation explosion with King of the Hill, PJs, etc. The Critic was witty, but it didn't seem to compete with The Simpsons, as they were in their peak seasons. Too bad  :( I wonder if they ever got released on video.
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« Reply #35 on: 05-04-2003 05:09 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
Gee, I thought that "God, the Devil, and Bob" review was supposed to be a joke. You know, someone pretending to be a Christian-nut and protesting the show by being really stupid. No one can be that dumb...can they?
I'm certain that it was a joke, that is why I put "revue" in quotes, it would be scary if it were real  :p

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« Reply #36 on: 05-04-2003 11:30 »

BLAST! I wrote counter-points for no reason. Though, thinking back the "revue" was indeed entertaining. And there are people who actually think that way though most of them are too dumb to figure out how to get on the internet.
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« Reply #37 on: 05-04-2003 13:04 »

The Critic. Brilliant show. Great characters, good humor, funny ojkes. What more could you ask for?

I'm surprised Kryten posted twice in this thread, and didn't mention it at all.  :p

::highfives Just Chris::
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« Reply #38 on: 05-04-2003 16:05 »

I also liked Rockos Modern Life, i saw it a month ago on nickalodean (dont ask why i was waching) it made me happy to see one of my favorites again.
OC_James

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« Reply #39 on: 05-04-2003 19:13 »

I've heard rumors of a Rocko's Modern Life DVD in the works but Nick only does DVD's for their hit current shows (Well let's face it, this just means Spongebob Squarepants) and thier movies so I'm extremly doubtful of a Rocko DVD. But it's something for fans of the series to hope for.
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