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« Reply #400 on: 02-08-2004 12:23 »

Eh, I loved the movies and I only ever read The Hobbit. 

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« Reply #401 on: 02-08-2004 13:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Blackadder11:
I just think the spirit of Tolkien is lost.

Would "the spirit of Tolkien" involve setting up every scene with wide, gandiose shots that show every detail of the surrounding environment for about half an hour?  Because that's what Jackson would have had to have done to be as close to the books as some people wanted him to be.

Remember people, this is just one group of people's interpretation, what they deemed would work in movie form and what wouldn't.  Frankly, a movie that had as much dialogue and description as was in the books would have been more boring than a National Geographic special.  I liked Tom Bombadil, I liked The Scouring of the Shire.  Would either have worked in film form?  The Scouring of the Shire, certainly.  Return of the King was already 3 and a half hours long.  What would you have cut to make time?  Can you possibly grasp just how long these three movies would have been had he left everything in?  It would not have worked.  Trust me, I've seen the actual film on the actual projector.  There's only so much room on one of those things.

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« Reply #402 on: 03-02-2004 18:06 »
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Well, as many of you already know, the Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King won 11 Oscars at this year's Academy Awards. That makes for a total of 17 wins and 30 nominations for the trilogy, making it into the most awarded and most nominated trilogy of all time. Iit has become the 2nd movie in history to pass the 1 billion dollar mark.Also, it's the most succesful trilogy (worldwide) of all time.

I think it's safe to say that the trilogy that only some "geeks" and hippies read, is now the biggest and most succesful trilogy of all time (in both books and movies).
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« Reply #403 on: 03-02-2004 18:23 »

well thats not suprising seeing as the Lord of the Rings was the 2nd most read book of the 20th century
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« Reply #404 on: 03-02-2004 18:31 »

 
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Originally posted by Grim:
well thats not suprising seeing as the Lord of the Rings was the 2nd most read book of the 20th century

That's what I find confusing. I think it was the German publisher who claimed that it was the 2nd most read book of the 20th century. But then why the movies were considered a risky bussiness? No one in Hollywood wanted to make these movies. Not even when the original idea was to make 2 of them. If it is indeed the 2nd most read book in the 20th century (which may be true) then I don't understand the insecurity by studio executives.

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« Reply #405 on: 03-02-2004 20:28 »

What's everyone's favourite song/poem from the books?

Mine is Bilbo's poem about Aragorn:
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.
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« Reply #406 on: 03-02-2004 20:30 »

Frodo's Song in the Prancing Pony, by far.
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« Reply #407 on: 03-02-2004 20:43 »

The song that the dwarves sing in Bilbo's house, at the beginning of The Hobbit
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« Reply #408 on: 03-02-2004 23:13 »
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I should read the books in English, I only have the Spanish (my native language) editions. In fact, I should read the books again to remember all the songs and poems. But really, I should buy the books again, my editions are losing their pages as fast as Bill Murray is losing his hair.
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« Reply #409 on: 03-15-2004 17:38 »

The Return of The King 2 disc DVD is up on Play.com
(I know I know, it's probably been up for ages in the US, blah blah, but who cares, not I).

To Be Confirmed
# Disc One:
# Feature film
# Disc Two:
# 'A Director's Vision: The Quest Fulfilled' special
# 'The Return Of The King: A Filmmaker's Journey' special
# 'The Return Of The King': a National Geographic special
# 'Aragorn's Destiny' featurette
# 'Battle Of Gondor: Minas Tirath' featurette
# 'The Battle Of Pelennor Fields' featurette
# 'Samwise The Brave' featurette
# 'The Lady Of Rohan: Eowyn' featurette
# 'Digital House Doubles' featurette
# TV spots
# Theatrical trailers
# 'Lord Of The Rings Trilogy' trailer
# EA video games trailer

Looks pretty good, I will of course be waiting for the Extended Cut, but I'll borrow or rent this when released.
I noticed the "LOTR Trilogy" bit, and I know someone who's waited for all extended cuts in one box set.
But I doubt there'll be the collectors statuettes or special DVD's going with it?
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« Reply #410 on: 03-15-2004 17:50 »

Personally I'm waiting till the box set of all the extended ones as well. I'll certainly rent this DVD, I finally saw the film last week, and it was one of the best I've ever seen. Fantastic films. Extremely difficult to do justice to the books and I think these films just about got it  wink
I've still got to read the Silmarillion. Anyone else read that yet? My mum says that it's a very "different" book to the LOTR and The Hobbit.
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« Reply #411 on: 03-15-2004 21:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Zed 85:
My mum says that it's a very "different" book to the LOTR and The Hobbit.

It's the difference between historical fiction and a history textbook

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


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« Reply #412 on: 03-15-2004 22:38 »
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
I noticed the "LOTR Trilogy" bit, and I know someone who's waited for all extended cuts in one box set.
But I doubt there'll be the collectors statuettes or special DVD's going with it?
For one thing, a boxed set with all three DVD sets of the theatrical versions will be released simultaneously with RotK.  (It's already available for pre-order at Amazon.com.)  Apparently you'll be able to get the box with just RotK if you already own the other two.

There has been no official news about a box set of the extended versions (though you can bet there'll be one), but Peter Jackson did mention that he'd like to do a set containing new transfers of all the movies, but that wouldn't come out until after he's finished with King Kong.
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« Reply #413 on: 03-16-2004 01:01 »

New transfers? I thought most modern blockbusters were taken from their digital source for dvds these days
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« Reply #414 on: 03-16-2004 01:27 »

He said he wanted to do special high-definition versions.
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« Reply #415 on: 03-16-2004 02:09 »

maybe THX sound?
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« Reply #416 on: 03-16-2004 14:31 »

Meh, there's a limit to how high a definition my 10+ year old TV can display.
I would have liked to see some damn bloopers on the DVD's, there's always time for more comedy!  smile
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« Reply #417 on: 03-16-2004 14:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Mr. Potter:
 That's what I find confusing. I think it was the German publisher who claimed that it was the 2nd most read book of the 20th century. But then why the movies were considered a risky bussiness? No one in Hollywood wanted to make these movies. Not even when the original idea was to make 2 of them. If it is indeed the 2nd most read book in the 20th century (which may be true) then I don't understand the insecurity by studio executives.


It's obviously because the books have a massive fanbase- and a quite fanatical one. If it wasn't done right, the movies would lose everything. Uproar, riot, war, armageddon. That's why.
And yes- you should read them in English. Translations really blow goats. names, poems, songs, many vividly detailed sentences and other nooks and crannies that make the language stand out- they're all lost in translation (to keep it Bill Murray-related for your convenience)
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« Reply #418 on: 03-16-2004 15:28 »

 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
Meh, there's a limit to how high a definition my 10+ year old TV can display.
I would have liked to see some damn bloopers on the DVD's, there's always time for more comedy!   smile
Jackson said the HD versions would have bloopers.
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« Reply #419 on: 03-16-2004 16:13 »

May Jesus, Allah, Buddha save you if you're lying!  tongue
Awesome, I'll definately buy them then.
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« Reply #420 on: 03-28-2004 17:36 »

I'm  fan of the books (which I had read before the movies came out) and the movies. Peter Jackson did a fantastic job at brining Tolkien's world to life.
   I even bought Narsil   tongue


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« Reply #421 on: 03-28-2004 18:28 »

If I had been really rich, I'd have bought every single one of the LOTR weapons and helmets they sell at BattleOrders. I think the limited editions are gonna be hard to get from now on.
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« Reply #422 on: 03-28-2004 19:50 »

Oh yeah?!?
If I had the money, I would have bought J.R.R. Tolkiens corpse and Peter Jackson's corpse (after killing him of course) and mounted them in my living room in a "best of pals" position (one arm around each other smiling)!!!
 tongue
Beat that smart guy!

Oh and I bought The Silmarillion today.  big grin
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« Reply #423 on: 03-29-2004 01:52 »
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Glamdring > Aragorn's Ranger sword > Narsil/Anduril
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« Reply #424 on: 03-29-2004 15:19 »

And Anduril pwns them all. Plus it have a cooler name.

 
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
If I had been really rich, I'd have bought every single one of the LOTR weapons and helmets they sell at BattleOrders. I think the limited editions are gonna be hard to get from now on.

And then we could fly in the PEELers and re-create the Battle Of Pelennor Fields. Ofcoruse we'll need a lot more PEEL ers than there currently is...
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« Reply #425 on: 03-29-2004 16:32 »

Who'd be on which side though?
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« Reply #426 on: 03-29-2004 20:57 »
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I can be a mumakil, just give me some black bin-liners and sticky tape!

Question:
Where is Beleriand in relation to the Middle Earth of LOTR?
I guess North.
Chris Tolkien mentions it slightly in his foreword of The Silmarillion, he says the Ered Luin (Ered Lindon, Blue Mts.) appear on both maps, but on opposite sides and I just see any way to connect them.   frown
Nerd: "Are we to believe that these are, *snort* magical mountains?!? *snort*".
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« Reply #427 on: 03-29-2004 23:46 »
« Last Edit on: 03-30-2004 00:00 »

Most of what was Beleriand was destroyed at the end of the First Age, and sank into the Sea.  A detailed explanation.

And my respect for Peter Jackson has just dropped a bit: He cast Jack Black in King Kong.  Yes, Jack "Inexplicably Popular" Black.
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« Reply #428 on: 03-30-2004 00:11 »

 
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Glamdring > Aragorn's Ranger sword > Narsil/Anduril

Aragorn's "Ranger sword"?  What are you talking about?  He carried the shards of Narsil until they got to Rivendell, where it was reforged into Andúril.  He didn't have any other swords.

Also, Orcrist > Glamdring.   tongue

 
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And my respect for Peter Jackson has just dropped a bit: He cast Jack Black in King Kong.  Yes, Jack "Inexplicably Popular" Black.

Oh, I don't know.  I think that Jack Black could play a pretty convincing ape.

You did mean that he was cast in the title role, right?

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
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« Reply #429 on: 03-30-2004 00:27 »
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Aragorn's "Ranger sword"? What are you talking about? He carried the shards of Narsil until they got to Rivendell, where it was reforged into Andúril. He didn't have any other swords.
Maybe he means the sword the character carried in the movies before he got Andúril.  In the book (if someone here hasn't read it), Aragorn gets the sword before they leave Rivendell; there's no big scene where Elrond gives it to him right before he heads for the Paths of the Dead.
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« Reply #430 on: 03-30-2004 00:29 »

 
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 Oh, I don't know.  I think that Jack Black could play a pretty convincing ape.

I nominate Ben Stiller. When he has his shirt off he looks like he's half chimpanzee already.
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« Reply #431 on: 03-30-2004 00:36 »

I'm talking about swords that we have film versions of.  Straight-up Peter Jackson stuff here.  But nice try.
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« Reply #432 on: 03-30-2004 10:03 »

Queeeeestion: You know in the two towers when Christopher Lee is encouraging those people to burn down Rohan, who the hell are they?

Are they giant dwarves?
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« Reply #433 on: 03-30-2004 10:35 »

They're the Dunlendings, blood-enemies of the Rohirrim. Dunland lay to the West of Rohan, and the two people have been in war several times.

 
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Who'd be on which side though?

I call Rohan! ... since the Elves didn't participate.
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« Reply #434 on: 03-30-2004 11:22 »

 
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Queeeeestion: You know in the two towers when Christopher Lee is encouraging those people to burn down Rohan, who the hell are they?

Are they giant dwarves?

They're the WIld Men of . . . somewhere.

I call Legolas.

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"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


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« Reply #435 on: 03-30-2004 16:28 »
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After sifing through my vast library of Lord of the Rings related knowledge, i guess you are referring to the wild men of Dunland.

edit-sorry, didnt realise that had already been answered   tongue
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« Reply #436 on: 03-30-2004 16:49 »

For all those quick questions, consult The Encyclopedai of Arda- It's really comprehensive. Hasn't this been linked before?
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« Reply #437 on: 03-30-2004 16:59 »

 
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For all those quick questions, consult The Encyclopedai of Arda- It's really comprehensive. Hasn't this been linked before?

I think that I posted a link to that before.  If not, I meant to post one.   wink

I call Gimli.
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« Reply #438 on: 03-30-2004 17:10 »

Yeah, the EoA is a great website. Love the maps.

Anyway, if we're going for single characters I'll take Eomer. And that would mean no Rohirrim-charge against the mumakils. We'd just shot the riders from a distance.
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« Reply #439 on: 03-30-2004 17:37 »

Individuals: I got dibs on Eowyn (just so I could look down a nice cleavage whenever I feel like it) Also, she is a totally sweeet fighter.

Countries: Shire... Crissaegrim/Echoriath.
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