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Gopher

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« Reply #80 on: 10-05-2011 16:35 »

hey, I admitted it had downsides.
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« Reply #81 on: 10-10-2011 05:17 »

Enjoyed the finale.

And josh, re: lost: The writers of lost were commiting what I see as the worst sin, but hollywood increasingly sees as the first rule, of good drama - making it up as they go along, with the highest goal being not doing anything the fans expect. The reason I consider this such a sin is because it means cheating. It means there can be no hints, no clues, no real foreshadowing, just an endless stream of retcons and random twists. It's, in a nutshell, a perfect formula for bad writing. It can also make a show into a one-shot deal - if it depends too heavily on keeping you guessing, and future episodes constantly revise old ones, there's no replay value. I can only believe in the long run this will hurt DVD sales, as it appears it  already has hurt syndication value. Notice that for all it's tremendous success and popularity, nobody reruns Lost? Scifi did, but only briefly. It's history now. Same with Heroes, which was even worse about making crap up as they went along based solely on keeping the audience guessing.

But enough about that. Finale was good. Not as fast-paced as I expected, but that's a good thing, as I expected a frantic, 900-mph finale like I've come to expect from shows lately. Instead the pacing seemed like what it should've been.

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« Reply #82 on: 10-10-2011 05:21 »

really impressed, would've worked as a series finale
winna

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« Reply #83 on: 10-10-2011 11:01 »

Gopher

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« Reply #84 on: 10-10-2011 16:11 »

yup, that's the gus fake-out I was referring to. love puke love
JoshTheater

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« Reply #85 on: 10-10-2011 17:37 »

I laughed at that part...but only because I thought it was fucking awesome.

Great finale. I'm guessing next season is going to see Walt trying to start his own operation and become a kingpin, only to fall HARD by the end of the series.
Gopher

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« Reply #86 on: 10-10-2011 17:41 »

heh. I was just getting myself worked up when the reveal came.

Re-enactment:
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #87 on: 10-10-2011 19:44 »

I laughed at that part...but only because I thought it was fucking awesome.

Me too, it was a strange sort of nervous laughter because it all caught me so off guard.

And I agree, the whole thing felt like a series finale rather than a season finale. It was great, but it all felt a bit happy and neat. I was hoping for a clusterfuck of events that'd leave me craving season 5 - like the ending of 'Crawl Space'.
I can't really see what they're going to do with season 5 although I suppose there's still a lot of loose ends - the cancer, the DEA finding more things out, Mike, etc.
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« Reply #88 on: 10-11-2011 04:24 »

And I agree, the whole thing felt like a series finale rather than a season finale. It was great, but it all felt a bit happy and neat.

It did up until the very end, but that's my favorite part, because at that point, only the audience knows how bad of a person Walt really was

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« Reply #89 on: 10-11-2011 04:45 »

I was feeling smug that it turned out not to be risen, until I saw how genuinely relieved Walt was that the kid was ok. I just knew right then that he was responsible; he's become far too self-absorbed to care that much if he didn't feel personally responsible. Strange as it might seem, I could envision a very entertaining final season that never even mentions the word "meth." He's at this point achieved everything he set out to; he got into the crime world, made his money, then managed to get back out again. Nobody alive, except for his wife, his partner, and his lawyer know what he's done. He's destroyed the lab, and with it most of the evidence that might've led the DEA to him. All that's left now is to try to live with it. It seems obvious Jesse will find out what walt has done, and obviously he won't be able to live with that. Skylar, she has just in the finale learned the real truth of walt's job; she'd been deluding herself up until then, believing Walt's fairy tale story about how safe his job was, how he was not in any danger, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary. But their conversation on the phone at the end; she knows now. She knows he is not just a guy pressed into a bad situation anymore; she knows that his line earlier this season, the whole "I AM The danger!" line, was not just bluster. She knows he set off a pipe bomb in a retirement home, for god's sake. But now SHE is stuck; if she hadn't passed the point of no return when she chose not to file the divorce papers back in season 3, she sure as hell crossed it when she got Saul to send goons to convince her boss to pay the IRS. And even Walt, for all that he's crossed far into the dark side, if he were to try to settle back into his old life, will it all catch up with him? Would he, when the last rush of adrenaline fades, be able to life with himself? Or will he, as some expect, push on regardless down his new path, try to be the new Gus, set up his own lab, build his own crew and networks? Yeah, there's PLENTY of material for a great final season, i'd say.
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« Reply #90 on: 10-11-2011 06:18 »

My predictions for season 5, in roughly chronological order:

Mike will show up early on and cause problems. He'll either end up dead or working for Walt.

Walt's cancer will kick off again.

Walt will set up his own super-lab using the car-wash as a base / cover story. He'll become the new Gus.

Hank will discover Walt's identity (obviously).

Walt's actions will lead to either Skylar or Walt Jr's death.

Walt will beat cancer and will have to live with the horrible man that he's become. It'll be a sad ending, disguised as a happy one. Gloriously ironic like an episode of 'The Twilight Zone'.


Of course, I may be totally wrong.
tyraniak

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« Reply #91 on: 10-11-2011 06:43 »

I think it'd be funny the last season focussed solely on Walt and Skylar running the car wash together, but still try to make it dramatic
JoshTheater

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« Reply #92 on: 10-11-2011 08:40 »
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I think it'd be funny the last season focussed solely on Walt and Skylar running the car wash together, but still try to make it dramatic

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Yes. And after Walt dies the show will continue as Skyler & Son.
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« Reply #93 on: 10-11-2011 23:08 »

Mind. Blown.

Walter fucking White, you are an evil bastard.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #94 on: 10-12-2011 00:04 »

Your avatar reminds me too much of Gus now.
tyraniak

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« Reply #95 on: 10-12-2011 07:25 »

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« Reply #96 on: 10-13-2011 18:58 »

Mike will show up early on and cause problems. He'll either end up dead or working for Walt.

I don't want Mike to die. I like Mike a lot more than any other character right now. They're all kind of dicks. Except maybe for Hank and Gomez. I sorta like those two.
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« Reply #97 on: 07-17-2012 23:24 »

I really liked the cold open and it was cool seeing Larry hanin come back as the junkyard guy
winna

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« Reply #98 on: 07-18-2012 00:22 »

They're pretty damned good about callbacks like that.

Walt is far beyond the deep end now I'm afraid.

"Because I said so."
tyraniak

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« Reply #99 on: 07-23-2012 15:47 »

Really like the Hank/Mike interrogation secne, as well as the search for the fake cigarette
JoshTheater

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« Reply #100 on: 07-23-2012 21:34 »

I still want to know what really did happen to the original cigarette. It would make sense that Walt took it as part of his plan to turn Jesse back against Gus, but if he did take it, then when and how?
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« Reply #101 on: 07-24-2012 01:14 »

Neither episode so far this season was exceptional, but they both feel like an excellent start to something that's going to build wonderfully - which is similar to how most of the seasons have begun, really.

So yeah, good stuff. I love this show to pieces.
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« Reply #102 on: 07-24-2012 01:54 »

Fucking magnets. Brilliant. big grin I'm enjoying this way more than Futurama right now.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #103 on: 07-24-2012 06:43 »

Why wouldn't you be? There's no comparison as far as quality goes, regardless of how different their genres are. Breaking Bad is the best show on television currently, Futurama is a show that used to be excellent and now is just good.
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« Reply #104 on: 07-24-2012 22:03 »

Once they end Breaking Bad, the producers might immediately begin filming Going Good, the journey of a drug dealer who wants to be a high school chemistry teacher.

How would you feel about that, Josh?
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« Reply #105 on: 07-24-2012 22:33 »

Watched the first four episodes on Netflix over at a friends' house. Wow. If that's what I get for four and a half more seasons, then what have I been missing?

Too bad Dish still doesn't have AMC or IFC.
tyraniak

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« Reply #106 on: 07-24-2012 23:50 »

keep on watching NL, it just gets better
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #107 on: 07-25-2012 01:36 »

Fucking magnets. Brilliant. big grin I'm enjoying this way more than Futurama right now.
Sadly, I'm with you all the way here, and Futurama is my favourite show of all time.
winna

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« Reply #108 on: 07-25-2012 09:57 »

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« Reply #109 on: 08-20-2012 20:34 »

Best show ever! I can't believe I'd never heard of it until this year. I don't think it ever aired in the UK, or maybe it's only on really late or something. I've watched all of them up until the Season 4 finale at the moment, but I'd say my favourite episode is probably the one where Walt becomes Heisenberg for the first time.
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« Reply #110 on: 08-22-2012 23:04 »

I just realised I totally forgot to watch episode 6 this week. I need to rectify this right away!
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« Reply #111 on: 08-27-2012 09:28 »

Oh my. Well, that's it, Walt has crossed a line. I don't like him any more.

Since he's gone and
I'm now hoping that Hank catches up with him and shoots him.
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« Reply #112 on: 08-27-2012 11:15 »

Yeah, I really liked him. On the plus side, Skylar has hardly been in the show these past episodes. I predict she commits suicide.
tyraniak

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« Reply #113 on: 08-28-2012 00:54 »

Oh my. Well, that's it, Walt has crossed a line. I don't like him any more.

Since he's gone and
I'm now hoping that Hank catches up with him and shoots him.

If he doesn't do it Jesse probably will
FishyJoe

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« Reply #114 on: 08-28-2012 02:09 »

I freaking love this show. I am nerdy enough to remember Vince Gilligan as my #1 favorite writer from The X-files, so as soon as I saw the "created by" credit I was pretty sure this show would be awesome.

This is my first season watching "live". I prefer having late-night marathon sessions, but digesting each episode one by one is pretty cool too.

My wife and I just sat speechless for a solid minute or so after last night's episode. I've never been so sad over a TV death before! And then the "punchline"...oops, I just remembered I could get the names from that other lady! Amazing acting all around.

One observation that I haven't noticed anybody else point out: Todd kept that kid's tarantula in a jar. They were so careful to get rid of all traces of evidence; breaking down the dirtbike piece by piece and dissolving the kid's body and such. Yet the jar survives...why? Will some forensic investigator find it and figure out Todd killed it, unravelling everything? Seems like an odd detail to throw in there.
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« Reply #115 on: 08-28-2012 02:25 »
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I think maybe it was to show is genuinely sadistic, ie he was keeping a trophy of his kill.

Edit: Or maybe he is compassionate to animals, and it was to show he isn't sadistic at all. Although in he and Walt's cook he just comes off as kind of a moron.
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« Reply #116 on: 08-28-2012 03:58 »

Oh my. Well, that's it, Walt has crossed a line. I don't like him any more.

Since he's gone and

I completely agree with you. Walt just keeps becoming more and more of a jerkass.

Also,
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« Reply #117 on: 08-28-2012 16:45 »

Also,


We don't know. Mike had a tough decision to make by either saying goodbye to his granddaughter at the price of getting caught, or running away. I guess it's kind of sad in a way that she doesn't know.

Also, I think that was Walt's first murder in cold blood. Every other murder he's had a justification of doing it, I think.
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« Reply #118 on: 08-29-2012 04:52 »
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Oh my. Well, that's it, Walt has crossed a line. I don't like him any more.

...now he's crossed a line? no no

To me the show's purpose has always been getting you to root for Walt at the beginning of the show, thinking "oh, sure what he's doing isn't good but he's doing it for his family, that's nice" and then slowly and surely getting you to realize how terrible of a person he is...and not just that he's becoming a terrible person, but that he's actually always been one. Walt has been an awful person since the show began. Very little that he has done in the entirety of the show is morally good or justified. He's greedy, he's insanely egotistical, and he has almost no disregard for the well-being of others as long as he can somehow rationalize putting them in harm's way. Seriously, Walt has always been a terrible person and the majority of things he's done have been awful things. Sure, there was an excuse for a lot of the bad things he's done in that he needed to do them in order to stay alive, but in every situation he's been in where he was in danger of getting killed, it was 100% his fault for getting himself into that situation in the first place. Have we forgotten that the guy is cooking and trying to distribute methamphetamine? There's no justification for killing Gale, there's no justification for poisoning Brock, there's no justification for letting that kid at the train robbery get shot, when all of it could have been avoided by following common sense and not engaging in criminal activity. It's not like he was forced into his criminal activity in any way, he willingly has chosen to engage in it unnecessarily the entire time, by his own greed and pride. Remember in the first season where he turns down his friend's offer to pay all of his medical bills? There's no honor in what he did there, just egotism and selfishness. I think that's the whole message of the show: Walt didn't break bad, the bad was always in him, he just needed a reason (the cancer) to let it out. For most of the series he's been clutching at straws and pretending, trying to make himself believe that he's still a good person with moral boundaries, but as the show's gone on (and especially this season) he's been starting to care less and less about keeping up that charade.

Something that bothers me a lot: I can't stand people who called Skylar a bitch when she cheated on Walt with Ted, like that was some sort of horribly unforgivable act. How is cheating on Walt anywhere even close to as bad as any of the things that Walt had done and was doing at the time? He was forcing himself back into his family's home against his wife's will even though he was putting them in severe mortal danger just by being around them. That's so much worse than cheating it's not even funny...but no, everyone thinks Skylar is the bitch. What a load of shit. I thought her pulling the whole "I fucked Ted" card on Walt was totally badass and deserved by Walt.
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« Reply #119 on: 08-29-2012 09:29 »

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Your analysis is pretty correct though, as Walt has always had this streak in him.  Plus he's justified in killing Mike (not that I've seen the episode yet), as Mike punched him at a bar.  Fair is fair in hand grenades and blow jobs.

You could see how deserving Walt felt about life when he got the cancer.  I don't even smoke.  That's just life, and he'd pent it up inside, being fucked by everyone around him for far too long.  I guess if there was ever a turning point, it may have been where they had that gang banger tied up in the basement and Walt made a pros and cons list to determine whether he'd kill the guy.  Unfortunately he made the right decision; it's a game dilemma problem, and even though he only had one reason to kill the kid, it was more than enough to outweigh ALL of the other things on the paper.  As it turns out, almost everybody in the world is one step away from the most extremes that the human condition has to offer.  Fuck 'em all or be fucked.
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