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Enjoyed the finale. And josh, re: lost: The writers of lost were commiting what I see as the worst sin, but hollywood increasingly sees as the first rule, of good drama - making it up as they go along, with the highest goal being not doing anything the fans expect. The reason I consider this such a sin is because it means cheating. It means there can be no hints, no clues, no real foreshadowing, just an endless stream of retcons and random twists. It's, in a nutshell, a perfect formula for bad writing. It can also make a show into a one-shot deal - if it depends too heavily on keeping you guessing, and future episodes constantly revise old ones, there's no replay value. I can only believe in the long run this will hurt DVD sales, as it appears it already has hurt syndication value. Notice that for all it's tremendous success and popularity, nobody reruns Lost? Scifi did, but only briefly. It's history now. Same with Heroes, which was even worse about making crap up as they went along based solely on keeping the audience guessing. But enough about that. Finale was good. Not as fast-paced as I expected, but that's a good thing, as I expected a frantic, 900-mph finale like I've come to expect from shows lately. Instead the pacing seemed like what it should've been. Seems cyber_turnip and I were both right. Walt did it - but not with risen.
And the fake-out with gus walking out of the room after the bomb... a bit much, perhaps, but I thought it worked anyway.
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winna
Avatar Czar
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Gopher
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cyber_turnip
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I laughed at that part...but only because I thought it was fucking awesome.
Me too, it was a strange sort of nervous laughter because it all caught me so off guard. And I agree, the whole thing felt like a series finale rather than a season finale. It was great, but it all felt a bit happy and neat. I was hoping for a clusterfuck of events that'd leave me craving season 5 - like the ending of 'Crawl Space'. I can't really see what they're going to do with season 5 although I suppose there's still a lot of loose ends - the cancer, the DEA finding more things out, Mike, etc.
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Gopher
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I was feeling smug that it turned out not to be risen, until I saw how genuinely relieved Walt was that the kid was ok. I just knew right then that he was responsible; he's become far too self-absorbed to care that much if he didn't feel personally responsible. Strange as it might seem, I could envision a very entertaining final season that never even mentions the word "meth." He's at this point achieved everything he set out to; he got into the crime world, made his money, then managed to get back out again. Nobody alive, except for his wife, his partner, and his lawyer know what he's done. He's destroyed the lab, and with it most of the evidence that might've led the DEA to him. All that's left now is to try to live with it. It seems obvious Jesse will find out what walt has done, and obviously he won't be able to live with that. Skylar, she has just in the finale learned the real truth of walt's job; she'd been deluding herself up until then, believing Walt's fairy tale story about how safe his job was, how he was not in any danger, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary. But their conversation on the phone at the end; she knows now. She knows he is not just a guy pressed into a bad situation anymore; she knows that his line earlier this season, the whole "I AM The danger!" line, was not just bluster. She knows he set off a pipe bomb in a retirement home, for god's sake. But now SHE is stuck; if she hadn't passed the point of no return when she chose not to file the divorce papers back in season 3, she sure as hell crossed it when she got Saul to send goons to convince her boss to pay the IRS. And even Walt, for all that he's crossed far into the dark side, if he were to try to settle back into his old life, will it all catch up with him? Would he, when the last rush of adrenaline fades, be able to life with himself? Or will he, as some expect, push on regardless down his new path, try to be the new Gus, set up his own lab, build his own crew and networks? Yeah, there's PLENTY of material for a great final season, i'd say.
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winna
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transgender nerd under canada
DOOP Ubersecretary
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Oh my. Well, that's it, Walt has crossed a line. I don't like him any more. Since he's gone and I'm now hoping that Hank catches up with him and shoots him.
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Oh my. Well, that's it, Walt has crossed a line. I don't like him any more.
Since he's gone and
I completely agree with you. Walt just keeps becoming more and more of a jerkass. Also, What happened to Mike's granddaughter after he had to leave the park from the cops? Did the police take her?
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« Reply #118 on: 08-29-2012 04:52 »
« Last Edit on: 08-29-2012 05:32 »
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Oh my. Well, that's it, Walt has crossed a line. I don't like him any more.
... now he's crossed a line? To me the show's purpose has always been getting you to root for Walt at the beginning of the show, thinking "oh, sure what he's doing isn't good but he's doing it for his family, that's nice" and then slowly and surely getting you to realize how terrible of a person he is...and not just that he's becoming a terrible person, but that he's actually always been one. Walt has been an awful person since the show began. Very little that he has done in the entirety of the show is morally good or justified. He's greedy, he's insanely egotistical, and he has almost no disregard for the well-being of others as long as he can somehow rationalize putting them in harm's way. Seriously, Walt has always been a terrible person and the majority of things he's done have been awful things. Sure, there was an excuse for a lot of the bad things he's done in that he needed to do them in order to stay alive, but in every situation he's been in where he was in danger of getting killed, it was 100% his fault for getting himself into that situation in the first place. Have we forgotten that the guy is cooking and trying to distribute methamphetamine? There's no justification for killing Gale, there's no justification for poisoning Brock, there's no justification for letting that kid at the train robbery get shot, when all of it could have been avoided by following common sense and not engaging in criminal activity. It's not like he was forced into his criminal activity in any way, he willingly has chosen to engage in it unnecessarily the entire time, by his own greed and pride. Remember in the first season where he turns down his friend's offer to pay all of his medical bills? There's no honor in what he did there, just egotism and selfishness. I think that's the whole message of the show: Walt didn't break bad, the bad was always in him, he just needed a reason (the cancer) to let it out. For most of the series he's been clutching at straws and pretending, trying to make himself believe that he's still a good person with moral boundaries, but as the show's gone on (and especially this season) he's been starting to care less and less about keeping up that charade. Something that bothers me a lot: I can't stand people who called Skylar a bitch when she cheated on Walt with Ted, like that was some sort of horribly unforgivable act. How is cheating on Walt anywhere even close to as bad as any of the things that Walt had done and was doing at the time? He was forcing himself back into his family's home against his wife's will even though he was putting them in severe mortal danger just by being around them. That's so much worse than cheating it's not even funny...but no, everyone thinks Skylar is the bitch. What a load of shit. I thought her pulling the whole "I fucked Ted" card on Walt was totally badass and deserved by Walt.
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