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John Pannozzi

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« on: 04-11-2004 07:05 »

In the first 2 seasons of Futurama, Amy was basically a clumsy, trampy semi-sult that was practically Futurama's answer to Edna Krabappel (not that it keep me from worshipping the fictional ground Amy walked on and now that I think about it, Amy was probably acting sluty and seductive to get a man and have children to make her parents happy and wasn't showing her true personality by being slutty). In "Amazon Women in the Mood", the 1st episode produced for the 3rd season, Amy's personallity made a completely unexpected (but very welcome) 360 degree turnaround. She now (much like Leela) hated uncaring, sexist, chuvanistic men and was offended when Kif said that "the most attactive part of a women is the boobies" (which WOULD affend me if was female. Hey, even though I'm male I'd still be offended by it as I think the most attractive things about a women are her face and her personality). Even though Amy seemed to appear lest often after going from man-hungry tramp to pure-hearted lover of Kif and the episodes about her relationship with Kif focused more on Kif and rest of the gang than on Amy, Amy's love with Kif made (or more specific, will make) her the kind of person I think the show's staff originally intended her to be (based on how she acted in "Episode 2: The Series has Landed", her debut) and also makes her a more 3-dimensional, realistic, and appealing person.
TheLampIncident

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« Reply #1 on: 04-11-2004 10:46 »

Kif made a wimp out of her. That's a pretty good explanation for it all.
Passing user

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« Reply #2 on: 04-13-2004 11:24 »

What I don't get is how Amy's parents introduced her to Kif and encouraged them in A Flight to Remember, but hated him in Where the Buggalo Roam.
TheLampIncident

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« Reply #3 on: 04-13-2004 11:27 »

Then maybe you should take a look at Kif's personality change throughout the seasons.
Teral

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« Reply #4 on: 04-13-2004 11:31 »

Also the Wong's probably only introduced Kif to Amy because he was the captain of the Titanic at that point, and thus a very important person. Later they just remembered introducing their daughter to the captain, and not some scrawny whimp.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #5 on: 04-13-2004 12:56 »

 
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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
She made a wimp out of Kif.

FIXED.

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


"He has the special talent, though, of being able to help people and make them feel utterly stupid all at the same time. ... In short, he's a great moderator, but a terrible human being."
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Kryten

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« Reply #6 on: 04-14-2004 10:31 »

Kif was already a wimp. She just made a sappy wimp out of him.
boxie

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« Reply #7 on: 04-14-2004 10:40 »

I don't think Kif was a wimp as such. When we first meet him that is not the impression I got. He is just exasperated at his situation - stuck under a moronic boss, but lacks that guts (or perhaps initiative) to do something about it. There are many people I know like that in the real world whom I would not call wimps.
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« Reply #8 on: 04-14-2004 11:57 »

Every episode after A Flight to Remember, Kif becomes a little more feminine, and a little more androgynous.  In Brannigan, Begin Again, he just won't shut up complaining.  Admittedly it was a horrible, horrible incident, but that's not the point.  In Amazon Women in the Mood, *he* is rescued by Amy, *he* is carried away from danger, *he* says "My hero!"  In Where the Buggalo Roam, he has feelings and keeps a diary.  Not a journal, a diary.  The feminization reaches its climax in Kif Gets Knocked Up a Knotch, when he gets pregnant.
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« Reply #9 on: 04-14-2004 20:34 »

 
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In the first 2 seasons of Futurama, Amy was basically a clumsy, trampy semi-sult that was practically Futurama's answer to Edna Krabappel (not that it keep me from worshipping the fictional ground Amy walked on and now that I think about it, Amy was probably acting sluty and seductive to get a man and have children to make her parents happy and wasn't showing her true personality by being slutty). In "Amazon Women in the Mood", the 1st episode produced for the 3rd season, Amy's personallity made a completely unexpected (but very welcome) 360 degree turnaround. She now (much like Leela) hated uncaring, sexist, chuvanistic men and was offended when Kif said that "the most attactive part of a women is the boobies" (which WOULD affend me if was female. Hey, even though I'm male I'd still be offended by it as I think the most attractive things about a women are her face and her personality).

I don't necessarily see that as a change, though, although I suppose it is a development in character.  Being somewhat trampy doesn't mean someone is going to respond positively to incredibly offensive pick-up lines.
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« Reply #10 on: 04-14-2004 21:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
In Amazon Women in the Mood, *he* is rescued by Amy, *he* is carried away from danger, *he* says "My hero!"

Not to mention when he and Amy kissed, he lifted his leg up like all the women on the show.
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« Reply #11 on: 04-15-2004 11:07 »

Don't forget the "pathetic, submissive lap-dog" phase in "300 Big Boys", defientely the absolute low-point for Kif character-wise. Too bad it was his final appearence, now we'll always remember him as such.

I miss the LLLiS Kif, he was a great straight man to Zapp's pompous personality.
boxie

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« Reply #12 on: 04-15-2004 17:09 »

Yeah, that's a more succinct way of putting what I was trying to say...
Kryten

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« Reply #13 on: 04-18-2004 01:48 »

Kif's brief appearance in ATOF was almost a return to form.
Morbo_01

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« Reply #14 on: 04-19-2004 05:50 »

Yeah, he was as sarcastic as he was in LLLIS in ATOF.
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #15 on: 04-19-2004 11:03 »

...but, alas, somewhat less funny.

I'm just glad that Amy got one last jab at Leela in the final ep...
I miss the slightly bitchy, sniping Amy.   frown
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« Reply #16 on: 04-20-2004 12:03 »

i thought she was really cute in Series has Landed. when she bonked her head with the winch, the aye-aye thing and the chinese swearing. plus she saved the crew in the end.

but she sort of looses her charm once there's a "man involved". maybe it's her bad taste in men or something.

Her subtle, and sometimes not so subtle, female rivalry with 1i makes things interesting. but both almost always team up when their gender is threatened.
TheLampIncident

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« Reply #17 on: 04-20-2004 14:25 »

 
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Originally posted by feralHuman:
Her subtle, and sometimes not so subtle, female rivalry with 1i makes things interesting. but both almost always team up when their gender is threatened.

Whenever this happens, I fear the show has been written by feminists.
David A

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« Reply #18 on: 04-20-2004 15:06 »

 
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Originally posted by feralHuman:
i thought she was really cute in Series has Landed. when she bonked her head with the winch, the aye-aye thing and the chinese swearing. plus she saved the crew in the end.

Yeah, I really liked Amy in the second episode; but after that, it's like the writers forgot about her or something.  Aside from a few "Amycentric" episodes, she usually only got a couple of lines an episode.  In some episodes, she doesn't even appear at all.
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« Reply #19 on: 04-20-2004 16:46 »

Yeah, i find that really sad too David A. I loved her as a dumb klutz in the first few episodes. They really should have stuck with that.
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« Reply #20 on: 04-21-2004 16:36 »

 
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i thought she was really cute in Series has Landed. when she bonked her head with the winch, the aye-aye thing and the chinese swearing. plus she saved the crew in the end.

My thoughts exactly. I always thought that The  Series Has Landed had Amy spot on as a character.
David A

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« Reply #21 on: 04-21-2004 17:43 »

 
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Originally posted by Ozor Mox:
 My thoughts exactly. I always thought that The  Series Has Landed had Amy spot on as a character.

Yeah, it also made it seem like Amy was going to be one of the main characters, going on missions with Fry, Bender, and Leela.  Sadly, that isn't what happened.
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« Reply #22 on: 04-21-2004 21:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Ozor Mox:
 My thoughts exactly. I always thought that The  Series Has Landed had Amy spot on as a character.

"I know how to make love"
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« Reply #23 on: 04-21-2004 22:33 »

Ok, so this is a lesson for all you shippers out there.  This is what happens when characters in sitcoms get together!
Venus

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« Reply #24 on: 04-21-2004 22:45 »

The man gets knocked up? As i woman, i approve.
futuramaisok

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« Reply #25 on: 04-21-2004 23:04 »

im not sure.  but heh, if anyone knows any good deals for futurama dvds, it could help me help you.  huh..huh..  big grin
davierocks

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« Reply #26 on: 04-21-2004 23:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
The man gets knocked up? As i woman, i approve.

Well I was looking for a picture of Kif looking really meek and pathetic and that's the closest I could find.  Most of the others were of him with Zap or just by himself for some reason.

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« Reply #27 on: 04-22-2004 04:53 »

300 Big Boys shows Kif looking meek and pathetic all the time. That would never happen to Fry and Leela anyway because they are better than that.

I agree with David in that they set up Amy to be something big, but in the end she just kept getting whittled away until she became a shadow of her former self.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #28 on: 04-22-2004 19:48 »

 
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Originally posted by davierocks:
Ok, so this is a lesson for all you shippers out there.  This is what happens when characters in sitcoms get together!

*shudders in fright*

John Pannozzi

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« Reply #29 on: 05-06-2004 17:06 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 Yeah, I really liked Amy in the second episode; but after that, it's like the writers forgot about her or something.  Aside from a few "Amycentric" episodes, she usually only got a couple of lines an episode.  In some episodes, she doesn't even appear at all.

True, Amy is like Maggie Simpson: a cute, younger female character who is a big fan favorite (due to being cute), but is sadly usually only used as a minor character.
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« Reply #30 on: 05-07-2004 07:39 »

 
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 *shudders in fright*


How about NO!!!!!!! scott.
  Bring on more Pokemon.
DrJohnZ

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« Reply #31 on: 05-08-2004 00:36 »

 
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 How about NO!!!!!!! scott.
    Bring on more Pokemon.

why dont you go to a pokemon site or something. Stop filling up a Futurama fan site with pokemon garbage.
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« Reply #32 on: 05-08-2004 02:14 »

Yeah, go here.
Ozor Mox

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« Reply #33 on: 05-08-2004 08:56 »

 
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 why dont you go to a pokemon site or something. Stop filling up a Futurama fan site with pokemon garbage.

Yes, mostly because it is among the suckiest creations ever.
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« Reply #34 on: 05-08-2004 12:31 »
« Last Edit on: 05-08-2004 12:31 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
Every episode after A Flight to Remember, Kif becomes a little more feminine, and a little more androgynous.  In Brannigan, Begin Again, he just won't shut up complaining.  Admittedly it was a horrible, horrible incident, but that's not the point.  In Amazon Women in the Mood, *he* is rescued by Amy, *he* is carried away from danger, *he* says "My hero!" 
Technically,  episodes after   "When alians attack".
Interesting, both BBA and AWIM were written by Lew Marton. Altough in other causes he was good in characterization, probably just terribly misunderstood Kif and other authors (Burns, Odenkirk, Kaplan)unfortunaly were continuing in this trend.

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« Reply #35 on: 05-09-2004 11:16 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
 True, Amy is like Maggie Simpson: a cute, younger female character who is a big fan favorite (due to being cute), but is sadly usually only used as a minor character.

I dont think a year old child should really be compared with a character who is widely considered to be an attractive and slutty young woman.
ChrisWilson

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« Reply #36 on: 05-09-2004 11:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Passing user:
What I don't get is how Amy's parents introduced her to Kif and encouraged them in A Flight to Remember, but hated him in Where the Buggalo Roam.

I'm not if this has been answered and I can't be arsed to look around but in FTR, he was the captain as Zapp gave him the post in desperation of his life. In WTBR, he isn't a captain no more!

Ozor Mox

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« Reply #37 on: 05-09-2004 13:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Drunknmunky:
 I dont think a year old child should really be compared with a character who is widely considered to be an attractive and slutty young woman.

It isn't the character that is being compared, it's their role in the show.
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« Reply #38 on: 05-14-2004 20:37 »

 
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I'm not if this has been answered and I can't be arsed to look around but in FTR, he was the captain as Zapp gave him the post in desperation of his life. In WTBR, he isn't a captain no more!

Zapp made him captain of a single ship, the Titanic.  That does not equate to promoting him to the rank of Captain in the military.
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