Shipping Even Higher into the Sun...

[Reply #440 on:]

They would never do that.

Also it's impossible.

Fry was born in the 20th century. Leela was born in the 30th. We've seen both of their births. I can't see how that's even a plausible story line for even speculation.

I know, I thought it was senseless and impossible as well. It's just.....the thought.

[Reply #441 on:]

Woah, I would never want Fry and Leela to have their offspring regularly on the show! I was just suggesting it would be awesome to see that in a flash-forward or something related. I'm only disappointed because this was the perfect opportunity to reveal them in a vision of Bender's or something, and they didn't (actually, now I think they actually storyboarded the ending to be a visual montage of future events in Fry and Leela's lives, but when the crew found out that they were renewed for another batch of episodes, they dropped the idea in hope that they could improve on the concept and drive me insane).

Their relationship definitely needs more development, but how much more could it ask for? Their relationship has already been the focus of many episodes (well, not very much for this later half of the season) , and though the relationship is generally well-known and supported by the majority of the viewers of Futurama, it would be too much to ask. And their relationship has a lot more development than most. You don't see too many people who really like the Kif/Amy relationship, and that's because it doesn't have the focus, the history, or the romance to it like Fry and Leela's. Wait, did I just backtrack on myself?

They would never do that.

Also it's impossible.

Fry was born in the 20th century. Leela was born in the 30th. We've seen both of their births. I can't see how that's even a plausible story line for even speculation.

Though the idea is disgusting, I'm not going to knock down that idea until it is for-sure. Fry did say to Leela and Lars that maybe they stopped their marriage due to the fact they were cousins. And, well, as mentioned in my agonizing-to-read post on the last page, Futurama has been known to make references for future events.

[Reply #442 on:]

I was just thinking...

Would Fry, Bender, and the Professor's disappearance in TLPJF have any severe effect on Amy and Kif's life? Because, Amy and Cubert were together in the previous universe...

Of course, that's a result of Fry, Bender, and the Professor accidentally going into the future, and Leela taking over Planet express. Obviously something went wrong between Amy and Kif, otherwise she wouldn't be with Cubert.

So my theory is: Amy and Kif are going to break up at some point. I can't think of any reason why Fry, Bender, and the Professor's absence would be what caused them to be apart in the previous universe.

Anyone else get what I'm saying? Or am I just nuts?

[Reply #443 on:]

That's a really clever observation. Amy and Kif could still be together for a while before breaking up, though. Maybe it has something to do with Amy still not wanting the responsibility of raising their children once they come back. Maybe that last sentence is just me making an excuse to see Kif's kids again.

[Reply #444 on:]

It's also possible that Kif died at some point in the timeline prior to Leela and Cubert's divorce, meaning Amy might've been on the prowl for a new fella. Either that, or Kif could've progressed to his final stage of life. And what lady wants to be with a cloud of insects?

[Reply #445 on:]

You know what I love most about this thread? How we're all so... intelligent
Seriously, when I first came to this website and clicked on this thread, I thought "Oh boy, this is just going to be a bunch of......"LOL, I luvvvvv Futureama! Frye and Lela 4evur!" But when I came upon it, I was pleasantly surprised to see people who were like me, people who actually knew about Futurama.

-So sorry for being off-topic, I suck

[Reply #446 on:]

Woah, I would never want Fry and Leela to have their offspring regularly on the show! I was just suggesting it would be awesome to see that in a flash-forward or something related.

In fact, there was one planned but abandoned plot regarding Leela's and Fry's offspring (according to an interview with Cohen, which I can't find anymore):
They would encounter one guy travelling backwards in time who turns out to be Leela's and Fry's son. (Probably some "Back to the Future" setting, making sure his parents get together). But as this person would do everything backwards (talk backwards, and also percieve the other persons doing everything backwards), the whole story (and interaction between those characters) was considered to be too difficult to write...
(A pity, though...this did sound like an idea that was as crazy as brillant... )

[Reply #447 on:]

You know what I love most about this thread? How we're all so... intelligent
Seriously, when I first came to this website and clicked on this thread, I thought "Oh boy, this is just going to be a bunch of......"LOL, I luvvvvv Futureama! Frye and Lela 4evur!" But when I came upon it, I was pleasantly surprised to see people who were like me, people who actually knew about Futurama.

-So sorry for being off-topic, I suck

I don't know what to say, this comment was just stupid. For "Frye and Lela 4evur" there are social networks which I hate.

[Reply #448 on:]

In fact, there was one planned but abandoned plot regarding Leela's and Fry's offspring (according to an interview with Cohen, which I can't find anymore)...

Chatting with David Cohen (part II):

Colin P wanted to know if there were ideas or plots that you weren’t able to follow up on between the first run and the second.

There’s been a few, there’s one idea we keep trying to do and we just can’t get the story. It involves, the initial idea was that we have this character moving backwards through time, who they would interact with. But it’s always been really tricky, because the character would be talking backwards, so you couldn’t understand anything he was saying. And there’s a really complicated science fiction plot where he might end up being the offspring of Fry and Leela returning from the future but who had been born in this crazy way that they weren’t aware of and so that’s one. The backwards in time person that we’ve never been able to do. And I may have just spoiled it, if we ever do do it. So just erase your memories after you read that.

We’ve got a couple. You know, we put these index cards on the wall, when we have a glimmer of an idea, but we haven’t fleshed it out. So I can just tell you a couple of those that are up there and have been sitting there for awhile.

There’s one where we do The Most Dangerous Game idea, where Bender’s on an island where they hunt robots, haven’t quite worked that one out. We’re always trying to do one where the crew gets stuck in space and they have to eat each other. It’s often stories where someone’s gonna kill the other person and eat them. So those are naturally tricky, because you have to get out of it somehow at the end, but if the person’s been eaten that’s hard. So there’s a couple on the wall right now, pending a brilliant idea to solve those problems.

[Reply #449 on:]

I don't know what to say, this comment was just stupid. For "Frye and Lela 4evur" there are social networks which I hate.

 Sorry for pissing you off....not trying to do anything to bother anyone

And I should probably mention, it's very late where I am and I've gone a bit mad

[Reply #450 on:]

Just Fan> Good man

[Reply #451 on:]

Huh. Why hadn't I seen that interview before? At any rate, nice find, Inquisitor Hein and Just Fan. That would be a pretty awesome idea for an episode, though I doubt they'll ever find the right way to pull it off.

Of course, that they'd be contemplating a story like that in the first place might possibly mean that they're serious about keeping Fry and Leela committed (or at least unambiguous), so huzzah for that.

[Reply #452 on:]

I don't know what to say, this comment was just stupid. For "Frye and Lela 4evur" there are social networks which I hate.

That's kind of an unnecessarily antagonistic thing to say to someone who was praising users for their intelligent discourse. Pumpkinpie made a good point about the difference between many other 'shippy' fandoms and the rather more cerebral nature of Futurama fans and this forum in particular versus a great many others out there.
There was really no need to get nasty about it. The comment was complimentary.

I would go into this further, but I have to go and fuck your mother again.

Pumpkinpie: You're right, it is nice to see intelligent discussion.

[Reply #453 on:]

I don't know what to say, this comment was just stupid. For "Frye and Lela 4evur" there are social networks which I hate.

pumpkinpie's post may have been off-topic, but your reply was unnecessary and needlessly mean at that.  Also, you should realize that an open public forum is a form of social network.

[Reply #454 on:]

Not really off-topic anyway. She was talking about the nature of the shipping fandom's discussions.

[Reply #455 on:]

I don't know what to say, this comment was just stupid. For "Frye and Lela 4evur" there are social networks which I hate.

That's kind of an unnecessarily antagonistic thing to say to someone who was praising users for their intelligent discourse. Pumpkinpie made a good point about the difference between many other 'shippy' fandoms and the rather more cerebral nature of Futurama fans and this forum in particular versus a great many others out there.
There was really no need to get nasty about it. The comment was complimentary.

What's worse, the more I read johnybravowtf's post, the less sense it makes to me.  All I know he was trying to insult one.  But I am not sure how.

Also, you should realize that an open public forum is a form of social network.

A message board is not a network.  So no.

[Reply #456 on:]

I don't know what to say, this comment was just stupid. For "Frye and Lela 4evur" there are social networks which I hate.

That's kind of an unnecessarily antagonistic thing to say to someone who was praising users for their intelligent discourse. Pumpkinpie made a good point about the difference between many other 'shippy' fandoms and the rather more cerebral nature of Futurama fans and this forum in particular versus a great many others out there.
There was really no need to get nasty about it. The comment was complimentary.

I would go into this further, but I have to go and fuck your mother again.

Pumpkinpie: You're right, it is nice to see intelligent discussion.

I'm just crazy and shit on you, no biggie.

[Reply #457 on:]

I don't know what to say, this comment was just stupid. For "Frye and Lela 4evur" there are social networks which I hate.

That's kind of an unnecessarily antagonistic thing to say to someone who was praising users for their intelligent discourse. Pumpkinpie made a good point about the difference between many other 'shippy' fandoms and the rather more cerebral nature of Futurama fans and this forum in particular versus a great many others out there.
There was really no need to get nasty about it. The comment was complimentary.

I would go into this further, but I have to go and fuck your mother again.

Pumpkinpie: You're right, it is nice to see intelligent discussion.

I'm just crazy and shit on you, no biggie.

Who are you and what have you done to the English language?

[Reply #458 on:]

I'm just crazy and shit on you

What makes you think I wouldn't enjoy that? 

[Reply #459 on:]

Ack, people, chill.

It's also possible that Kif died at some point in the timeline prior to Leela and Cubert's divorce, meaning Amy might've been on the prowl for a new fella. Either that, or Kif could've progressed to his final stage of life. And what lady wants to be with a cloud of insects?

This is also a possibility. I was always under the impression that Amphibiosans live a lot longer than humans, but after reading through the Infosphere article there seems to be nothing that actually suggests this so I am not sure where I came up with this misconception.

I had seen that interview before, but thanks for bringing it up again. I really like that concept and hope it gets done someday.

[Reply #460 on:]

I was always under the impression that Amphibiosans live a lot longer than humans, but after reading through the Infosphere article there seems to be nothing that actually suggests this so I am not sure where I came up with this misconception.

Their gestational period (tadpole form) is supposed to last two decades or something, as I recall from Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch. After maturing, their lifespan hasn't been indicated.

I get annoyed sometimes in sci-fi shows by the tendency for every alien race to be longer-lived than humans. The only time an intelligent species was introduced that had a notably shorter span was the Ocampa in Star Trek: Voyager, who live only nine years. The rest of the time it's always the humans who are deficient in that regard. No fair.

[Reply #461 on:]

Futurama seems to have both played against that trope (the Professor is nearly two-hundred years old, and middle-age itself doesn't seem to begin until you reach the your first century on earth) and played into it (the Nibblonians, as a race, are as old as the universe, and Nibbler is at least a thousand years old). I assume Kif's lifespan is comparable to Amy's, mostly because it supports my Kif-was-dead theory for TLPJF.

[Reply #462 on:]

I assume Kif's lifespan is comparable to Amy's, mostly because it supports my Kif-was-dead theory for TLPJF.

Well...serving under Zapp Brannigan, I would not expect Kif to die of old age
(Sorry, could not resist that one )

[Reply #463 on:]

I don't know what to say, this comment was just stupid. For "Frye and Lela 4evur" there are social networks which I hate.

That's kind of an unnecessarily antagonistic thing to say to someone who was praising users for their intelligent discourse. Pumpkinpie made a good point about the difference between many other 'shippy' fandoms and the rather more cerebral nature of Futurama fans and this forum in particular versus a great many others out there.
There was really no need to get nasty about it. The comment was complimentary.

I would go into this further, but I have to go and fuck your mother again.

Pumpkinpie: You're right, it is nice to see intelligent discussion.

Thank you, it's nice to see someone actually appreciated my compliment.

[Reply #464 on:]

Futurama seems to have both played against that trope (the Professor is nearly two-hundred years old, and middle-age itself doesn't seem to begin until you reach the your first century on earth)

Which makes sense in the future due to human life-extension trends which are notable even in our current historic period.

and played into it (the Nibblonians, as a race, are as old as the universe, and Nibbler is at least a thousand years old).

And this I can accept, because they're little furballs and it's amusing for them to be so old and wise.

Yeah, Futurama isn't really an offender in the whole 'every alien lives longer (and is stronger and smarter) than humans' angle. Just nearly every live-action sci-fi show.

Thank you, it's nice to see someone actually appreciated my compliment.

No worries, kiddo. Belated welcome to PEEL. Get out while you can or you'll end up turning into a grizzled old nerd like me.


Re-post of this strip drawn by Inquisitor Hein for being shippy and containing the fabled 'reset button'.

[Reply #465 on:]

I love Amy's reaction...

"I want exactly what she had."

[Reply #466 on:]

Yeah.
Also, sideboob.

[Reply #467 on:]

And sidebutt. Is that a word guys use?

And thanks for the comic, coldy. Methinks I'll have to spend more time in Inquisitor Hein's art thread.

In shippy news: I liked the Fry/Leela stuff in "Reincarnation." It was a pleasant surprise. For some reason, though, I derived much more enjoyment from Leela flirting with Fry and Fry rejecting her in the video game segment, than I did from the proposal stuff in the first segment. It was just so funny to see Leela being the flirtatious one for once, even if it was in a non-canon episode.

[Reply #468 on:]

And sidebutt. Is that a word guys use?

No.
It's just butt. Angle isn't relevant.

[Reply #469 on:]

In shippy news: I liked the Fry/Leela stuff in "Reincarnation." It was a pleasant surprise. For some reason, though, I derived much more enjoyment from Leela flirting with Fry and Fry rejecting her in the video game segment, than I did from the proposal stuff in the first segment. It was just so funny to see Leela being the flirtatious one for once, even if it was in a non-canon episode.

I agree that it was fun to see Leela coming on to Fry for once. I actually don't think its ever happened before in the show, (correct me if I'm wrong) so it felt so weird when I first watched that scene. (I think that was kind of part of the joke though- the fact that Leela was coming on to Fry and he was rejecting her, when usually it's the opposite) Here's hoping we get more of that in S7 though.

[Reply #470 on:]

Agreed. It was hilarious because it was completely unexpected. I don't know how well a reversal of the roles there would work out in canon, but I am not at all averse to them trying such scenarios out.

[Reply #471 on:]

I agree that it was fun to see Leela coming on to Fry for once. I actually don't think its ever happened before in the show, (correct me if I'm wrong) so it felt so weird when I first watched that scene. (I think that was kind of part of the joke though- the fact that Leela was coming on to Fry and he was rejecting her, when usually it's the opposite) Here's hoping we get more of that in S7 though.

Other than in Parasites Lost, I don't recall any off the top of my head.  Good scene.

[Reply #472 on:]

Agreed. It was hilarious because it was completely unexpected. I don't know how well a reversal of the roles there would work out in canon, but I am not at all averse to them trying such scenarios out.

I do think it depends on the time this "running gag's reversal" is given. I am not quite sure wether this scenario can be used throughout a whole episode, but it will (imho) almost certainly work for a limited time.

Let's take Asterix for example: Sooner or later, they just would HAVE to build a joke based on the pirate ship NOT being sunk for once. But building a joke based on the pirate ship not being sunk several times in a row throughout a whole comic would probably not work too well...

To give an example in Futurama: The last minutes (the gender reversed time) of "Neutopia" would have been just the (imhO) right amount of time to have Leela pinning after Fry.

[Reply #473 on:]

If only Fry hadn't been acting like such a skank...

[Reply #474 on:]

Agreed. It was hilarious because it was completely unexpected. I don't know how well a reversal of the roles there would work out in canon, but I am not at all averse to them trying such scenarios out.

There was also LandOracle, where Leela was extremely turned on by Fry in his uniform (Amy enjoyed it too, I think.)  So I appreciated that joke (it wouldn't have been very funny if it was Fry coming on to Leela and having her reject him).  I always like moments when Leela shows her attraction to Fry, so its not completely one sided.

[Reply #475 on:]

Yeah, that was funny. I was more wondering how well pretty much the same scene we saw here would work out in canon - Fry blatantly turning Leela down. I imagine if they warped the situation to "Fry is dumb and doesn't even pick up on the fact she's hitting on him" it could be pretty funny.

[Reply #476 on:]

While I don't have time to discuss this in the next several months, I pose a question to you all: Does Fry deserve Leela?

[Reply #477 on:]

Not at all. Fry deserves better, and Leela does not deserve Fry. But that's not how you meant it, is it?

[Reply #478 on:]

I am not 100% sure if you are going for a positive or negative meaning of "deserve" there. That could be interpreted as "Is Fry worthy of Leela?" or "Does Fry deserve to be stuck with this bitch forever?" but since I am a Leela fan I will assume you are going for the former.

He deserves her a hell of a lot more than any of the other guys she's dated do. Sure, he is the two-bit low-life delivery boy with bad posture and severe financial problems, not to mention the bedsores. But he genuinely cares about her, which is better than what any other guy has been able to do.

I mean, he is stalkerish and kind of creepy int he original run, but he's cut back on that. And I firmly believe that he has the ability to make Leela happy. He already has proven that many times. So, yes, I do think he deserves her.

[Reply #479 on:]

Doesn't matter. She is who Fry loves.