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Frisco17

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« Reply #360 on: 10-12-2009 00:26 »
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Or they live in this century and use the internet.
You just reminded of that episode of South Park where they have no internet.

"There was a ghost, it slimed me!"

Now think of scruffy.

Thank you, and goodnight.

Damn you Freak.
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« Reply #361 on: 10-12-2009 05:04 »

Yeah, I'm with El-Man--I think this whole "rebirth" concept is less about resetting Fry and Leela's relationship, and more about simply grounding the series back in New New York by erasing the crew's fugitive past.
I'm remaining optimistic about the state of the ship, though: the writers haven't given us any reason to believe that they're going to reset that, specifically. The most we've gotten from them, I think, is that the relationship will be rocky or some such, which doesn't automatically mean a return to the status quo of Fry trying to win over an uninterested (and unsympathetic) Leela.
I totally agree.
I think the writers understand they can't push the reset button. I'm sure she wont completely forget everything. It might take a little time for her to remember, but they'll be together soon enough. And I'm sure they'll have a bit of a rocky relationship, but it will all work out. That's pretty much what DXC said. I'm not sure why everyone is worried about the ship, because DXC led me to believe that it will be intact.
Oh, and Scruffy + Hattie. No! Way too gross.
I prefer The professor + Hattie, much funnier.
Although, I would really like to see a lasting Mom + Professor relationship. I think it would be cute! I feel like they're meant for eachother.
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« Reply #362 on: 11-20-2009 11:29 »

Given that the personalities (etc.) of the main Futurama characters from both Universe-1 and Universe-A seem to be essentially the same, what (in The Farnsworth Parabox) could Fry-A have done on the 'magical' date with Leela-A to so sweep her off her feet that she A) married him and B) still hasn't grown sick of those traits that put her off him in the first place over a year later?

Enquiring minds* want to know.

* I.e. Desperate and clueless guys


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« Reply #363 on: 11-20-2009 19:10 »

Dunno. Major penis enlargement, perhaps?
leiapadme77

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« Reply #364 on: 11-20-2009 20:20 »

No, leela is not that shallow. Perhaps she was just able to see his charm in action. I'm sure it took more than 1 date for them to really fall in love. In fact, I believe he said one year after that date was when he proposed.
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« Reply #365 on: 11-20-2009 21:02 »

She tossed a coin.
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« Reply #366 on: 11-21-2009 02:31 »

From what was stated later in the episode when the Fry and Leela from Universe 1 return home, it seems that the "magical date" could've been an ape fight, as that was where our Fry was going to take Leela on the next date. However, this didn't seem to spark the relationship the couple had in Universe 1.

I actually wanted to come on here to ask a question. I know Fry and Leela's relationship can't be based on sex (Fry's just not that good at it). However, this morning I was pondering at the question of Zapp's sexual ability (or disability as he seems to claim). So, who do you think is better at sex: Fry or Zapp? They both obviously like sex, but Fry has been noted for not being anything worth a second shot according to experienced lovers. Though Leela never specified Zapp was a good lover (and probably never will), Zapp does place a lot of pleasure into his sexual affinity.
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« Reply #367 on: 11-21-2009 02:47 »

I think Fry is probably pretty good at making love. lol. He's slept with a lot of women!
I hope someday Leela will find out though, because he's never actually slept with her.  No, they haven't:
 Anthology of Interest--No, it was just a "What if Machine" question, it was like a dream.
Lars--Leela never slept with Lars, because her apartment got destroyed before they could make it upstairs! And she would have seen his ass tattoo!
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« Reply #368 on: 11-21-2009 03:32 »

hmmm ..I'm guessing maybe Zapp. Haha. As you can see in BWABB, it sure looked like Amy enjoyed having sex with him, where as before, I believe Amy actually admitted that Fry was not a "fantastic lover".

I just have question. I know I may sound really dumb, but why on earth did Leela have sex with zapp in the first place??? That was one thing in Futurama  I never really understood.
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« Reply #369 on: 11-21-2009 03:34 »

I believe Amy actually admitted that Fry was not a "fantastic lover".

In Time Keeps on Skippin'.
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« Reply #370 on: 11-21-2009 03:48 »

I believe Amy actually admitted that Fry was not a "fantastic lover".

In Time Keeps on Slippin'.

/fixed
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« Reply #371 on: 11-21-2009 05:34 »

I was testing you.
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« Reply #372 on: 11-21-2009 07:24 »
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hmmm ..I'm guessing maybe Zapp. Haha. As you can see in BWABB, it sure looked like Amy enjoyed having sex with him, where as before, I believe Amy actually admitted that Fry was not a "fantastic lover".

I just have question. I know I may sound really dumb, but why on earth did Leela have sex with zapp in the first place??? That was one thing in Futurama  I never really understood.

Possibly for the only time in Futurama Leela actually took pity on someone and had sex with Zapp. I'm sure someone will come up with another instance of Leela having pity on someone.

He was crying and begging and Leela let down her guard. Zapp is great about waiting til a woman shows some vulnerability then bang.

Kif died and Zapp was on top of her. How much joy can you get when your fonfon ru dies?
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« Reply #373 on: 11-21-2009 09:44 »

Zapp doesn't seem to have actually slept with many women if his attitude when he occasionally does is any indication. Also, for someone with his public profile he seems to have to really scrape the bottom of the barrel when he attempts to get some action.

Hence, I speculate that Zapp is probably a worse lover than even Fry is.

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« Reply #374 on: 11-21-2009 10:36 »

Zapp is probably bisexual or a latent homosexual. Kif, Tell the men I've slept with a woman. You sure she's a woman, Kif? His date on Valentines day.
Being more attracted to Leela when she crossed dressed.
Even Hattie didn't want him.

Let's just say he is sexually confused.
Archonix

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« Reply #375 on: 11-21-2009 13:56 »

So that's what Sexlexia means...
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« Reply #376 on: 11-21-2009 16:47 »

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Originally posted by Turanga, A:
I agrre that Zapp definetly has some potencial in this area as we saw in war is the h-word.

Zapp's attraction for a "man" in that episode was actually for Leela. Watch the thing again. He is worried by the fact that he seems to be attracted to this "man", and when he realises that she is in fact a woman, he is delighted that he has not somehow accidentally become gay.

Zapp compensates a lot because he gets very little. He's obviously comfortable with his sexuality, or he wouldn't be so casual about wearing a uniform which includes a velour miniskirt.

I think that Zapp is one of the most obviously heterosexual males in the show. You have to remember that Zapp isn't exactly the brightest star in the cosmos, bless 'im. He was attracted to Leela by all the same things that drew him to her originally, but without realising that it was her. Whilst he thought "Lee Lemon" was a man, he was disturbed by this, suggesting that he finds the idea of having a homosexual liason quite unsettling. People are just too eager to apply the "gay" label.

Or people are just stupid, and don't get jokes. I dunno. Just watch the episode again, and get it straight in your head.

Zapp is not gay.

Captain Zapp Brannigan is the greatest space hero who will ever live. How dare you bring unfounded slander against his name?

I weep for your intellectual decrepitude.

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« Reply #377 on: 11-22-2009 00:34 »

Keep your tears, even the metaphorical ones, to yourself. It's just your opinion and everyone's got one.
And I am sure there are many more gay space heroes in the cosmos. Calling him gay is not slander unless you think that being gay is shameful in any way.
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« Reply #378 on: 11-22-2009 02:30 »

Being homosexual or not doesn't make a difference to your sexual ability (at least I don't think). Now just tell me whether or not Zapp's good at sex!
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« Reply #379 on: 11-22-2009 02:57 »

Now just tell me whether or not Zapp's good at sex!

How the hell would anybody know? He doesn't even exist. He can be as good or as bad as you imagine him to be. Jesus...
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« Reply #380 on: 11-22-2009 05:45 »

Blasphemy! Total blasphemy! You shall be stoned on the sabbath and hanged for treason! Now, return to your country of criminals or you shall be punished!

Well, seriously, just go by the series. Analyze him like those goddam English grad students do to the characters of a Shakespeare play.

I don't think that Zapp would be better at having sex than Fry. Assuming that his pleasure in rendering sexual intercourse as an avocation was invoked by lack thereof (he's no Glenn Quagmire, who's banging every chick in Quahog and everybody knows it even without publication, something that Zapp is notorious for), it does seem that it happens too rarely for the activity to not be treasured. Besides, he can't really identify a female from a male accurately.
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« Reply #381 on: 11-22-2009 06:22 »

These characters are just figments of real people's imaginations..why don't you ask the writers how good Zapp is in bed in their minds? Maybe he's based on somebody...
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« Reply #382 on: 11-22-2009 08:13 »


   No, I've got a better idea, let's all ask each other! That'll solve this problem!

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« Reply #383 on: 11-22-2009 15:53 »

Keep your tears, even the metaphorical ones, to yourself. It's just your opinion and everyone's got one.
And I am sure there are many more gay space heroes in the cosmos. Calling him gay is not slander unless you think that being gay is shameful in any way.

No, it's the opinion of totalnerduk. Oddly enough, it seems that I am capable of respecting the rational opinions of other people without sharing them myself. Weird. hmpf

It is quite obvious that Zapp is neither straight, gay, or bi. Rather, he is a repressed asexual, who as a result of growing up in an intolerant, sexually chauvinistic and blatantly misandrist society, feels obliged to not only engage in stereotypically "masculine" activities, such as captaining warships and fighting in space battles (something he might actually be good at if he really cared), but also to present an "alluring" or "sensual" front to the members of his species. Note who he chooses for his first officer: a non-human, someone who he can accept not being sexually attracted to. He feels guilty that he doesn't want to have sex with anybody, whether they be male or female, as a result puts on his unwittingly over-the-top fašade in order that no one ever discover his terrible secret.

Oppressed by the intolerance of his race, which insists that he must be attracted to someone, Zapp buries himself in denial. He exaggerates in his role as captain, he promotes himself as a brilliant war hero so that the issue of his dysfunctional, culturally unacceptable orientation is never brought up. And yet, he is still unwittingly a victim of the popular mindset, still feeling that deep down inside, there is something drastically wrong with him, something he must be ashamed of. So he hits on women. Occasionally, he hits on men, although he disguises these attempts as "mistakes" -- a clear sign of his confusion and borderline schizophrenia concerning the matter.

Finally, he come across Leela. Curiously enough, Leela doesn't look entirely human, so Zapp feels slightly less guilty about not wanting to have sex with her. As a result of this, he attempts to seduce her, thinking that it won't be as awkward when he's not being continually distracted by thoughts of how he ought to be finding her exceedingly sexy, but doesn't. But he fails. Does anyone seriously think that he would break down in tears simply because a woman didn't want to have sex? Does anyone truly presume that he knew enough to manipulate Leela into bed in this manner? No, of course not. Leela's refusal isn't just her turning down a hopefully endurable night with the Zapper-- it's an outright reaffirmation of his flawed and maladjusted mindset.

Of course, they do end up having sex. Having been taken advantage of by the male-hating influences of his youth, he believes that now, should he say so, Leela will stay with him forever. She has to; he wouldn't be a "real" man if she didn't. He'd be a failure. Again. Why is this so hard for him? All he wants is for things to go the way society taught him things should go. Why was he cursed with this handicap? So he goes overboard on the masculinity again. He goes back to hitting on women and men, trying badly and failing. Whenever coming across Leela, even when only catching a brief whiff of her pheromones, he tries to win her back, convincing himself that only one more coax ought to swirl her into his waiting arms. He never truly wanted "Lee Lemon," he wanted the woman who "Lee Lemon" reminded him of. Hence his relief upon finding out that he was really Leela, meaning he wouldn't have to seduce somebody again.

And so the cycle continues ever onward, Zapp fighting bravely to overcome an aspect of himself that he need only introspect upon himself and accept. He's putting up a brave face and rather unbearable front to the world, but he's battling it out: pretending to be turned on when he knows he should be and making lousy innuendo when he thinks it makes sense. He's terrible at it, but rather that than let it be known what he truly is. He's a brave man... Someone whose suffering none of us can ever sincerely comprehend.

That's my opinion.
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« Reply #384 on: 11-22-2009 16:25 »

Good grief.
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« Reply #385 on: 11-22-2009 16:42 »

It's convoluted over analyses, Charlie Brown.
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« Reply #386 on: 11-22-2009 18:35 »

Initially, Fry would probably be a very disappointing lover to Leela, but if she stays with him long enough, she can "train" him to be a good lover to her.

He loves her and wanted nothing more for her to love him and be happy.  With this knowledge, being a woman, she can gently train him to what she like and what makes her happy and "satisfied".

This is an universal truth.  If any guy cares enough for the woman in his life, he's willing to be "guided" to what she wants.  Even clueless Fry wil get the idea if Leela "responds" positively to one thing (paying attention to one part or being involved in intense foreplay) and "negatively (no, not by kneeing him in his "gentlesman's luggage") to other things.

Alas,  I'm the guy who got married twice (twice is quite enough) and I admit to being "trained" by both of these women.

Any guy who denies this truth has never met the right woman or secretly hates women.
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« Reply #387 on: 11-22-2009 20:09 »

Any guy who denies this truth has never met the right woman or secretly hates women.

This man speaks the truth.
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« Reply #388 on: 11-22-2009 20:32 »

Ahyup. Though it's hard when the woman doesn't know what she wants.
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« Reply #389 on: 11-22-2009 22:28 »

Initially, Fry would probably be a very disappointing lover to Leela, but if she stays with him long enough, she can "train" him to be a good lover to her.

I concur. Although it may be difficult first, Fry admittedly has a learning disability, and Leela's not noted for her patience.

Actually, I can see their first try being disastrous. Fry's had sex many times, but has never had a lover. Amy was just having fun, Morgan was using him for her needs, etc... he could either go macho and try to bluff his way through, or get so nervous he can't think. Leela would so tell him off for the former, and take the lead for the latter. Then he'd find out what she wanted...
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« Reply #390 on: 11-23-2009 03:23 »

Though I do not yet have the time to read all of your posts (sorry Xanfor), I would like to say after quickly scanning the comments on "training" Fry in sexual intercourse, I third that. I can't name any moment in the series on the top of my head, but it seems that as the series goes on, Fry gradually demonstrates better intellectual and muscular ability. Though he's probably improving his physique from his job, it might be possible that Leela could be having an influence on this.
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« Reply #391 on: 11-23-2009 13:19 »

Or he could just be growing up, finally.
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« Reply #392 on: 11-23-2009 14:56 »

... Alas,  I'm the guy who got married twice (twice is quite enough) and I admit to being "trained" by both of these women.

   

[*SpaceCase walks away whistling nonchalantly*]

I'll just... ooze... back out under the door now...

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« Reply #393 on: 11-23-2009 16:30 »

When Ralph admits being "trained" you know at least some leather is involved...
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« Reply #394 on: 11-23-2009 18:02 »

When Ralph admits being "trained" you know at least some leather is involved...

[*SpaceCase resists urge to make egregious puns along the lines of "...whipped into a leather..."*]
   [*SpaceCase bites own tongue*]
      [*Draws blood*]
Does, ah, anyone have a mop?

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« Reply #395 on: 11-23-2009 18:10 »

When Ralph admits being "trained" you know at least some leather is involved...

[*SpaceCase resists urge to make egregious puns along the lines of "...whipped into a leather..."*]
   [*SpaceCase bites own tongue*]
      [*Draws blood*]
Does, ah, anyone have a mop?



[*Svip oozes SpaceCase under the door with a mop*]
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« Reply #396 on: 11-23-2009 21:49 »

Alright, enough of this.

[*Frisco pours cement into the crack under the door.*]
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« Reply #397 on: 11-23-2009 23:45 »

So umm...back to the topic. I really don't think Fry is that terrible at sex. And honestly, I don't think Leela cares. Also, as hot as Leela is, I'm pretty sure Fry has slept with more people than Leela has.
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« Reply #398 on: 11-24-2009 01:02 »

When Ralph admits being "trained" you know at least some leather is involved...

You buy 10 pounds of bondage leather equiptment one time and you're on their mailing list forever!

... Alas,  I'm the guy who got married twice (twice is quite enough) and I admit to being "trained" by both of these women.

  

[*SpaceCase walks away whistling nonchalantly*]

I'll just... ooze... back out under the door now...


I think Lisa had a pack of those cards...
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« Reply #399 on: 11-24-2009 06:29 »

I think Lisa had a pack of those cards...

Just one?  laff

... I really don't think Fry is that terrible at sex. And honestly, I don't think Leela cares. Also, as hot as Leela is, I'm pretty sure Fry has slept with more people than Leela has.

Let's make a quick count:
Fry: Michelle (presumably), Amy, Mogan Proctor, what's-her-name from BwaBB, and, uh, that's all I can remember.
Leela: Sean (presumably), Zap (*Eurgh!*), Alkazar (*Eurgh!* again), and that's about all my stomach can take.
And those are the names I can think of off the top of my (pointed) head, so unless anyone can add bed-mates from canon that I might've missed; Yes, but not by much.

[*Svip oozes SpaceCase under the door with a mop*]

*OOF!*

HEY! Quit pushin'!

[*Frisco pours cement into the crack under the door.*]

[*SpaceCase knocks on the door*]
Uhm, Hello?
Was it something I said?  confused
 roll eyes wink

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