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Archonix

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« Reply #640 on: 11-30-2007 14:18 »
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Oh now that's a good point. "Lars" probably assumed that Fry would disappear forever at that point. Perhaps he was about to make the revelation of who he really was to Leela when the other Fry turned up again.

Also (and much better it is):


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« Reply #641 on: 11-30-2007 14:28 »

just a random point but do you think Lars has a spare pen to sign the weddin certificate because he could remember when he was Fry that he swaped the real one?
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« Reply #642 on: 11-30-2007 14:28 »

Screw you and your sexy women. I have Trek slash.


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« Reply #643 on: 11-30-2007 14:31 »

No, they had diverged at that point.  Have you seen Big Score yet?
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« Reply #644 on: 11-30-2007 15:56 »

 
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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:
No, they had diverged at that point.  Have you seen Big Score yet?

Say wha? I thought that Lars/Fry would have remebered. It would be kinda weird to have a pen in you pocket at a wedding for no reason. Screw sexy women pictures. The Trek slash is funny.
Archonix

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« Reply #645 on: 11-30-2007 15:58 »

Perhaps he just knew how he would have acted back then and made an educated guess.
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #646 on: 11-30-2007 16:28 »

That make sense. He knew he'd come up with a half assed plan like that to stop the wedding.
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« Reply #647 on: 11-30-2007 16:29 »
« Last Edit on: 12-01-2007 00:00 »

Bendersfan, I may be confused.  I've only sat through the whole thing in order twice...maybe the Fry who became Lars didn't go back in time until after the wedding? Damn, now you're forcing me to go watch it again!

[EDIT] OK, I was correct before, Fry and Lars diverge well before the wedding. In Scene 7 we see when they meet back up (notice Lars' worried look) and we have Fry telling the story of the split to the PE crew. [/EDIT]

Anyway, 
   
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Originally posted by JustNibblin': (on a different thread)
 Actually, the parallel quotes by the Frys about "needing to do what makes her happy" implies that Fry3000 has learned basically the same lesson it took Fry2000 twelve years to learn.  i.e. implication that he is maturing faster than Lars did.
The Lars encounter should be like a shot of steroids for Fry's maturity level. It probably won't be, but it should be.
   
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart: (from another thread)
The damned thing with them getting closer at the end of an episode and going back to nothing at the beginning of the next episode is just overplayed.

Roger that. I was disappointed that it happened again; it was kind of like watching a brand-new re-run if that makes sense. Ralph goes on to blame Leela; I can't since I'm still under her spell.  I don't think a real Leela character would string Fry along like that; she's not that heartless. I blame whoever decided to keep them apart until the very last episode or DVD. I'm not saying it is DXC but I sure am thinking it loudly!

I still say get them together before the last episode and keep them together for a while or forever; who says there are no stories worth telling about a couple? I mean who besides col-d.      wink
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« Reply #648 on: 11-30-2007 17:09 »

Oh by the way Archonix, that is a nice piece of IKEA furniture you have there in that picture, I have one just like it.  Can't be sure because you have that woman blocking the view  smile
Archonix

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« Reply #649 on: 11-30-2007 17:14 »

IKEA is the godshop. I get all my swedish alcoholic drinks there.  smile

Just thought I'd mention that...
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« Reply #650 on: 11-30-2007 19:45 »
« Last Edit on: 11-30-2007 19:45 »

And now for something completly different...

And some more...
Archonix

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« Reply #651 on: 12-01-2007 13:17 »

Less Spock, more Leela!
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« Reply #652 on: 12-01-2007 13:50 »

 
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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:

    Roger that. I was disappointed that it happened again; it was kind of like watching a brand-new re-run if that makes sense. Ralph goes on to blame Leela; I can't since I'm still under her spell.  I don't think a real Leela character would string Fry along like that; she's not that heartless. I blame whoever decided to keep them apart until the very last episode or DVD. I'm not saying it is DXC but I sure am thinking it loudly!

I still say get them together before the last episode and keep them together for a while or forever; who says there are no stories worth telling about a couple? I mean who besides col-d.       wink

I find this the most disappointing. With what happened in the final episode of years past, with the new movie having no connection with devil's hands, I just can't believe it. As a huge fan of the leela/fry ship, I can't help but feel pretty hurt. Yet, now I'll just have to wait until the writers finally do bring them together in the final dvd. They WILL bring them together, but the writers are just making us wait for it. I was seriously hoping for them to finally be together at the beginning, but that was all for naught.  no no
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #653 on: 12-01-2007 15:57 »
« Last Edit on: 12-01-2007 15:57 »

The movie did take place 2 years after TDHAIPT but I wish that they had show what happened between TDHAIPT and BBS because they didn't show what happened we don't know what actually happened so that's all up to speculation.

My guess would be Leela gave Fry a chance after the opera and Fry being Fry fucked it up somehow and pissed Leela off but she got over and decided to stay friends.

I really want to know what happened in those two years.
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« Reply #654 on: 12-01-2007 16:53 »

<<I really want to know what happened in those two years.>>

The Fluorescent Sox won the World Series for the first time since 2870. Bender hit puberty and his voice broke (it's now 0.012 decibels louder). And Fry began gallantly holding doors open and offering his seat for Leela, who failed to notice.
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #655 on: 12-01-2007 17:24 »

Holy shit, the Flouresent Sox winning the world series? I'll believe that when I see it. They couldn't win even if they had Wireless Joe and Pitch-a-mat 5000 playing for them. Damn Leela not noticing nice, sweet gestures.
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« Reply #656 on: 12-01-2007 22:26 »

 
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Originally posted by Bendersfan1221:
The movie did take place 2 years after TDHAIPT but I wish that they had show what happened between TDHAIPT and BBS because they didn't show what happened we don't know what actually happened so that's all up to speculation.

My guess would be Leela gave Fry a chance after the opera and Fry being Fry fucked it up somehow and pissed Leela off but she got over and decided to stay friends.

I really want to know what happened in those two years.

Yeah, my apologies, but I can't buy that. This is how it's really going to be (according to my imagination   wink ) By the end of the final DvD, or something like that, it's all going to be either a dream, or something from the what-if machine. BBS nstuff. lol unlikely, but possible.
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #657 on: 12-01-2007 22:32 »

Leave me be in my fantasy world where Fry finally wins Leela over and they live hapily ever after.

In my fantasy world Fry gives up on chasing Leela and she realizes how she feels about Fry and has to win him over after she has rejected him one too many times and Fry's basically like "Fuck you Leela!" Then she wins him over in the end. Wait that was my fanfiction that I stil have yet to finish.
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« Reply #658 on: 12-02-2007 00:23 »

I'm detecting a lot of frustration here at Fry/Leela being stuck in a loop, and a lot of it is emanating from myself. I wish the writers/producer(s) had the courage to try something different with actual ground-breaking developments in the 'ship!

PS: Has anyone listened to the audio commentary all the way through for insights on Fry/Leela?
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« Reply #659 on: 12-02-2007 00:32 »

I remember that Fic, Coldy. Kinda weird how that turned out. Between that and Archonix's Lars picture, you two could have written the whole movie.

I forget who said it but somebody mentioned that Lars wasn't dense or childishly playful anymore. He isn't dense because he got alot of life experience during his, for lack of a better term, time oddesy. But he is definatly just as playful as Fry, he just knows that there's a time and place for it. For example when he hoisted Hermes' head into the jar, "Up and away!", that's a pretty Fry thing to say. An even better example is the glass trick at the restaurant. That one made me realise that Leela doesn't mind people being immature and playful, she just minds when Fry does it because she's always looking for imperfections in him to use as excuses whenever she feels close to him.
Archonix

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« Reply #660 on: 12-02-2007 04:37 »

 
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she just minds when Fry does it because she's always looking for imperfections in him to use as excuses whenever she feels close to him.

Like I said, familiarity breeds contempt, which is unfortunate. If Leela met Fry the way he is right now for the first time in her life she might be quite interested in him.
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« Reply #661 on: 12-02-2007 11:58 »

I think that's been pretty much proven...
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #662 on: 12-02-2007 15:59 »
« Last Edit on: 12-02-2007 15:59 »

No doubt about it.

I have a suggestion for the new shipper thread title for when this reaches 20 pages. The Star Trek slash picture thread: formerly known as the shipper thread.
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« Reply #663 on: 12-02-2007 20:26 »
« Last Edit on: 12-02-2007 20:26 »

I just want the next shipper's thread's title to include the word "Shippuendo". Then again, my opinion probably won't matter anyways- I'm kind of retired for the shipping season (I'm busy analyzing "Bender's Big Score" ).
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #664 on: 12-02-2007 20:33 »

I'm still trying to figure out everything that happened. Time Travel plots have a history of confusing me to no end to where I don't even know what happened.
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« Reply #665 on: 12-02-2007 20:45 »
« Last Edit on: 12-02-2007 20:45 »

I'll be posting an in-depth review on the review thread when we are allowed to discuss "Bender's Big Score" without spoiler tags (I've developed strong beliefs on spoilers and their tags).

I managed to understand the time travel plot when I first watched it. But in later viewings, I've gotten lost.

Several inconsistencies angered me (mainly "The Luck of the Fryrish" ). I should note now that I wasn't angered by their treatment of "Jurassic Bark" (for the most part, everything worked out) or "The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings" (overrated to begin with).

The "ship" factor was... well, a combination of things. I both liked and disliked it. I need to watch it over a few times to get my final verdict.

To keep it short, it was a pretty good movie but was also a bit of a letdown. I'd like to discuss a bit with Ralph Snart sometime soon after I post my review.
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #666 on: 12-02-2007 20:59 »
« Last Edit on: 12-02-2007 20:59 »

Yeah the inconsistancies with Luck of the Fryrish and Jurassic Bark pissed me off. Thosem episodes help make the series great being able to give more depth to Fry and seeing what his family was like and stuff. I've become so utterly lost with the time travel plot that I have no clue and I don't like the Fry-Lars stuff.

It's like and I forgot who said it (Probably Ralph) they got Leela and FRy together without geting Fry and Leela together. I don't really view Lars as Fry because he's too different. He's not the Fry we all grew to love over the last 8 1/2+ years or so. I'm not sure on the whole ship factor.

I agree with you, Frida, about the movie being good but a let down at the same time but you know what. I'll take any episode of Futurama (Yes that includes Cryonic Woman) over most of the crap thats been on TV lately.

I'd love to read your indepth review of BBS Frida in fact I look forward to it. I've noticed that some of your oninons are similar to mine but unlike me you can articulate them in a way that wont confuse everyone including your self. When I try to write what I think it doesn't make sense and confuses me.
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« Reply #667 on: 12-02-2007 21:14 »

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
I managed to understand the time travel plot when I first watched it. But in later viewings, I've gotten lost.

Several inconsistencies angered me (mainly "The Luck of the Fryrish" ). I should note now that I wasn't angered by their treatment of "Jurassic Bark" (for the most part, everything worked out) or "The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings" (overrated to begin with).

The "ship" factor was... well, a combination of things. I both liked and disliked it. I need to watch it over a few times to get my final verdict.

To keep it short, it was a pretty good movie but was also a bit of a letdown.

I pretty much exactly agree with all of that. I would just add that I couldn't help but find it funny what happened to Seymour, although I certainly never wanted them to mess with Jurassic Bark; but if they felt compelled to, at least they made it amusing. And on reflection I'm really starting to find the Lars thing rather brilliant. Because like I said...

 
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Originally posted by Bendersfan1221:
It's like and I forgot who said it (Probably Ralph) they got Leela and FRy together without geting Fry and Leela together.

Moi  smile
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« Reply #668 on: 12-02-2007 21:19 »

Oh sorry km. I couldn't remember adn I didn't want to go looking through post to figure out who Ralph was the first person to pop into my head. i never wanted them to mess with JB but they made it funny but it makes the episode much, much, much less touching.
km73

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« Reply #669 on: 12-02-2007 21:23 »

That's all right. And I can't really view Lars as Fry either. To me Lars just lacked most of the characteristics that make Fry charming. It seems as if most people don't have too much of a problem with him though.
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« Reply #670 on: 12-02-2007 21:29 »

 
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Originally posted by km73:
That's all right. And I can't really view Lars as Fry either. To me Lars just lacked most of the characteristics that make Fry charming.

Glad your not mad. That he does. I don't get what people love about him. I don't care if he's a more mature Fry or whatever. He doesn't have what makes him Fry.
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« Reply #671 on: 12-02-2007 22:43 »

My opinion on Lars is kinda divided.

On the one hand the whole idea of Lars being a time paradox copy of Fry was brilliant. I also think the "getting Leela together with Fry, without actually getting her together with Fry" thing is extremely clever.

As a character Lars is a tad annoying. I mean he's not Cubert annoying but just a little annoying. The main thing is that Fry is my absolute favorite character and he just isn't Fry.

I guess the short version is it isn't so much I like Lars but I like what he represents. (Not old boring Fry but a knock on the head for Leela) He'd get real old if he was a frequent character. Then again he's dead so that solves that.
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« Reply #672 on: 12-02-2007 22:54 »

 
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To keep it short, it was a pretty good movie but was also a bit of a letdown. I'd like to discuss a bit with Ralph Snart sometime soon after I post my review.

You can confer with me via e-mail if you wish or we can have the discussion on an open forum.  My e-mail is in my profile and I think that we can safely stop using spoiler tags.  The hardcore fans have already watched the DVD and the casual fans have probably read the plot on other sites.
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« Reply #673 on: 12-03-2007 13:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Frisco17:
My opinion on Lars is kinda divided...
...it isn't so much I like Lars but I like what he represents. (Not old boring Fry but a knock on the head for Leela) He'd get real old if he was a frequent character. Then again he's dead so that solves that.
He's more or less Fry with some boyish charm still but not the childishness - exactly what Leela wants. In and of itself that is no reason for Leela to dump Fry like a hot rock and immediately cling to Lars. The assumption must be that things didn't work out after TDHAIPT and she feels no loyalty to Fry at all (an all too common occurrence in the series), and that this new guy has a comfortable feel to him.

As smart as the time-copy love story was as a plot, for me the bottom line will remain that only a genuine, reciprocal relationship between them will be satisfying, even if that means toning down Fry's goofiness a bit to suit Leela.
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« Reply #674 on: 12-03-2007 17:33 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2007 17:33 »

 
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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:
As smart as the time-copy love story was as a plot, for me the bottom line will remain that only a genuine, reciprocal relationship between them will be satisfying, even if that means toning down Fry's goofiness a bit to suit Leela.

Agreed. I think that's kinda what I've been trying so. see half the time I have no idea what I mean then BAM someone gets it or close to it. It's a good story line but Leela just dumps Fry for Fry. I could live with them toning down Fry's imaturity to suit Leela but not totally changing him as a charcter. They've actually been doing that through out the series though and nothing has come of it. The end of BBS shows that Fry has figured out that Leela wants someone more mature and he realizes that and tries to get Leela and Lars back together. That in it's self should have told Leela that he really cares for her and wanted her to be happy. If she doesn't realize that Fry sacrificed his happiness to keep her happy then Leela is undeserving of Fry and Fry should seek out someone who will love him for who he is and not dump him for someone that would seem like a better match.

This has probably already been mentioned but: Has anyone noticed similarites between Leela and Michelle like how they treat Fry as a fall back guy just to keep them selves happy then when someone "better" comes along they just are like "Fry who?" Then something bad happens between the guy and them and they immediately go back to Fry and dump him the moment someone else comes along.
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« Reply #675 on: 12-03-2007 18:50 »

 
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This has probably already been mentioned but: Has anyone noticed similarites between Leela and Michelle like how they treat Fry as a fall back guy just to keep them selves happy then when someone "better" comes along they just are like "Fry who?" Then something bad happens between the guy and them and they immediately go back to Fry and dump him the moment someone else comes along.

Cold.  Comparing Leela to Michelle.

But I agree.  Yes, I've mentioned before how important Fry is to Leela when she has nobody but the moment she meets another person, Fry is relagated to being Nibblers walker and poop cleaner.  She also seems to have no problem letting Fry know when she's about to 'get lucky' with another guy, knowing how Fry feels about her.

So I've become a Leela-hater.  My once favorite character has now become my most hated.  I prefer Zoidberg over her.  As I've said before, Leela has a hell of a lot of 'maturing' when it comes to treating her friends well.

I hear the Shippers.  "Oh Ralph, Fry chases after Leela.  It's not her fault when she shoots him down."

True and that's one aspect of Fry I don't like - his single minded pursuit of a person who treats him badly.  That said, Leela eggs him on by giving him mixed messages - she gives him just enough attention to keep him chasing after her so she can give her ego a boost by turning him down.

Face it, Leela doesn't have a lot of boyfriends in her past for a reason, and it's not because of her occular oddity.  A real-life Leela would be a pain-in-the-ass to be around any amount of time.

Leela has so many pathos that she can never be happy, even if she does have kids with her important husband, the Senator (just wait until he gets home).
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« Reply #676 on: 12-03-2007 19:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
 Cold.  Comparing Leela to Michelle.

Just in the way they treat guys like Fry.
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« Reply #677 on: 12-03-2007 20:59 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2007 20:59 »

Generally speaking, I'm neutral towards the shipping stuff, really. ^^

I'm neither for it, nor against it.


To be honest, I rather like how the series has things currently. Fry chasing after Leela and her not liking him just yet - in my opinion, I think this adds something special and interesting to the show.   


But if, in the last movie (or the end of the series, cause I'm not sure how many episodes they'll have), they do have Leela get together with Fry finally, that would be nice. I wouldn't hate it or anything like that.  Because I think seeing Fry together with Leela for a certain amount of time would be cute, and something that many fans want.  So it would be a good thing, as long as their dating or whatever doesn't last too long.

However, if something like that does happen, I'd be worried that Fry and Leela getting together would bring too much romance into the series. And personally, I don't want that to happen. I like the way the series is now, and I don't want it to change.


 
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Originally posted by Frisco17:
I forget who said it but somebody mentioned that Lars wasn't dense or childishly playful anymore.
It was me who said that.  XD


 
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Originally posted by Frisco17:He isn't dense because he got alot of life experience during his, for lack of a better term, time oddesy. But he is definatly just as playful as Fry, he just knows that there's a time and place for it. For example when he hoisted Hermes' head into the jar, "Up and away!", that's a pretty Fry thing to say. An even better example is the glass trick at the restaurant. That one made me realise that Leela doesn't mind people being immature and playful, she just minds when Fry does it because she's always looking for imperfections in him to use as excuses whenever she feels close to him.
Oh.

You know what, I didn't notice any of that.  O.O 

But then again, I've only seen the movie one time so far....


I agree with you though, on the fact that Lars does still have some of that childishness in him.  And also that, he just knows when to act like that, and when not to.  However, I still don't like how Lars doesn't have as much childishness as Fry.


Anyway, yeah, I need to watch the movie through a second time, and then again a 3rd time just be sure I caught everything.  I'm gonna watch the movie again tonight, cause I lovead it.  ^^

I'm waiting until after I see the movie a second time, to do my review of it.


 
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Originally posted by km73:
And I can't really view Lars as Fry either. To me Lars just lacked most of the characteristics that make Fry charming. It seems as if most people don't have too much of a problem with him though.
I completely agree with you there, km73.


 
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Originally posted by Frisco17:
My opinion on Lars is kinda divided.

On the one hand the whole idea of Lars being a time paradox copy of Fry was brilliant. I also think the "getting Leela together with Fry, without actually getting her together with Fry" thing is extremely clever.

As a character Lars is a tad annoying. I mean he's not Cubert annoying but just a little annoying. The main thing is that Fry is my absolute favorite character and he just isn't Fry.

I guess the short version is it isn't so much I like Lars but I like what he represents. (Not old boring Fry but a knock on the head for Leela) He'd get real old if he was a frequent character. Then again he's dead so that solves that.
Wow!

It's like you took the words right out of my mouth!  XD


Those are my exact thoughts and opinions on Lars as well.  And I think you summed everything up nicely there.

Like you, I like the fact that Lars is a duplicate of Fry, and I like the idea of them getting Fry and Leela together without actually doing that.  That was awesome!!  ^_^ 


On the other hand, I don't like Lars as a character though.  He's just not the Fry I know and love.  He's a more mature person, someone who's perfect for Leela in every way possible.

And to add more to that, he's also missing some important aspects of his personality, things which I like most about Fry.


So yeah, overall, I have mixed feelings about Lars.  I'm pretty neutral towards him, because I like him, and at the same time, I don't like him.  ^^;
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« Reply #678 on: 12-03-2007 22:43 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2007 22:43 »

 
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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:
As smart as the time-copy love story was as a plot, for me the bottom line will remain that only a genuine, reciprocal relationship between them will be satisfying, even if that means toning down Fry's goofiness a bit to suit Leela.

That's what I was thinking, you just seem to be much better at wording things than me. I kinda see Lars as a step in that direction. Especially because Fry seem to be able to learn things alot faster than Lars.

Something that always bugs me is the "Fry and Leela getting together would ruin the show" theory. There's a whole cache of mayhem and hilarity in that situation just waiting to be tapped. The show would by no means become an F/L love fest. In fact it would probably be alitte less so because Fry wouldn't need to be working so hard to impress Leela. I don't think it would ruin the show at all, I think it would be like a second (or in this case third) wind. It would be a refreshing new situation to poke fun at and add the word "space" to.
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« Reply #679 on: 12-04-2007 04:30 »

 
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Fry and Leela getting together ... I don't think it would ruin the show at all, I think it would be like a second (or in this case third) wind. It would be a refreshing new situation to poke fun at and add the word "space" to.
Amen to that. I can think of several examples of TV shows that drew off an asymmetric relationship, by which I mean a relationship between two people who aren't 99.99% clones of each other with one chromosome swapped.

 
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He's a more mature person, someone who's perfect for Leela in every way possible.

Again with the "Lars is mature" thing. I don't get it, what about Lars makes him so mature anyway? That is, of course, if you can spill the beans about the inner workings of female minds without disrupting the underlying social order or something.

Women...

*grumbles*
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