The Evil Conspiracy Against Pedro Thread

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I guess Fry did give up on trying to win Leela over for a little while (a long while for the Fry that became Lars), but I think that it almost had to happen. Like I said above he had to stop being so selfish in his view of Leela (one of the things I think the movie did address well from the original series) and let her feelings play a role, which is a big step in maturing. Now that Fry cares more about how Leela feels, and Leela knows she's fallen in love with someone who at least used to be Fry (and by the end of the movie, I think Fry and Lars were pretty evenly matched maturity-wise. For all of Lars's extra years the only real maturing he did was with learning to care about other people's feelings, which both of them had done by that point), hopefully Leela will now be the one to initiate the relationship. I don't think Fry's given up, I think he's just decided not to try to force himself on her.

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Originally posted by km73:

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Do you see what they've done though. They got her together with Fry without actually getting her together with Fry.

I know as much as it really screws with us it's the kind of brilliant screwing I've come to expect. I think the point is that it sets up things for the other movies. In my opinion it probably does more for the ship than anything from the orignial episodes. The expression on Leela's face when she finds out and her conversation with Fry at the funeral lead me to think that.
    I saw an article or something that said the Fry/Leela ship is "resolved" in the last movie so I think their building to that. Think what you want I take "resolved" to mean a good result.

"I choose to believe what I was programed to believe!"

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Unless resolved just means "We get it to a point where they could go either way. AGAIN."

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Originally posted by Archonix:
Unless resolved just means "We get it to a point where they could go either way. AGAIN."

I hope that it's actual resolution and not that point but knowing them you never know.

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I have a feeling it'll depend strongly on whether or not the series is renewed, naturally.

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Originally posted by km73:
I have a feeling it'll depend strongly on whether or not the series is renewed, naturally.

Whether or not it's renewed? It will be but when is the question.

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Originally posted by Archonix:
Unless resolved just means "We get it to a point where they could go either way. AGAIN."

I think they really will end it one way or another. I don't remember the exact words but they were talking about the F/L romance story arc from the begining being "resolved". That sounds pretty decided to me.

As for what resolved means, I feel compeled to repeat what I said earlier.

"I chose to believe, what I was programed to believe!"

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They won't ever have Fry and Leela hook up for an extended period of time. They'll be about to kiss or something like that and then the writers will have something interupt them so they can stretch out the shippy aspect of the story for longer.

That's what Zoidberg is for.

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How do you figure that, Deca? I don't think they'd ever do that to us. They never have before.

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Originally posted by km73:
I have a feeling it'll depend strongly on whether or not the series is renewed, naturally.

Isn't all the writing and voice recording for all of the movies already done?

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Yes, but... they could edit in a different ending for the last film anything up to about a month before it's released, if they wanted.

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I think that Lars was great for Fry and Leela. It showe Leel that she coud love Fry.

Also did anyone notice when Fry is on the table and everyone is hid behind when the nibblonians are attacking it looks like Leela's hnd is on Fry's butt lol.

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I loved the Leelu bit. It was so sweet

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Yes, but...they could edit in a different ending for the last film anything up to about a month before it's released, if they wanted.

Yes, that's what I meant. I heard somewhere that they could do that; I don't remember where.

Since we now know that the last movie won't be released until 2009, that at least gives them plenty of time to make the decision on whether it'll come back as a series.

*hopes*

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I think they will if it has a good reception. So buy at lest 5 copies of each DVD!

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Originally posted by PazuzuJr:
I think that Lars was great for Fry and Leela. It showe Leel that she coud love Fry.

Also did anyone notice when Fry is on the table and everyone is hid behind when the nibblonians are attacking it looks like Leela's hnd is on Fry's butt lol.

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I loved the Leelu bit. It was so sweet

Lars definatly showed that Leela could love Fry, but it's been shown before that Leela could love Fry (TKOS). It showed Fry that he needed to mature. Also Paz it looked more like her hand was between his cheeks...

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Am I the only one that thinks Lars actually shows a bad side of Fry? He traveled through time and then had no compunction in stealing away Leela from himself.

Well. It's an observation.

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Well, I said he was annoying.

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I'm not really sure how to take it yet. Right before he "became" Lars, he finally acknowledged that Leela was best off with Lars. That he happens to be Lars, well, that's just icing on the cake. Maybe he figured it was worth making Leela happy to make his other self miserable. He still could probably have been easier on Fry, but he already knew how Lars had to act from his experience with him in the future.

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I guess I'm sotra with Sine Wave. I'm not really sure how I feel about him yet. I don't like the fact that he takes Leela away from himself but he makes himself realize that he needs to mature to win over Leela. He figured that Leela being happy was the best thing for her I don't get why he didn't care about his other self. He knows his feeling for Leela so yeah Lars was a bad side of Fry. But he forced Fry to do what's best for Leela and mature and he made Leela realize that she could love Fry. So I'm not really sure.

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Originally posted by Sine Wave:
 Maybe he figured it was worth making Leela happy to make his other self miserable.

That just brings up another question...Was this another instance of Fry being self-sacrificial, or was it more actually a kind of warped selfishness? This is why I am starting to really re-evaluate the whole Lars/Fry twist aspect of the film, at least; JN was right that it'll bring up topics for discussion.

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I have yet to watch the movie, for fear of disappointment lingers heavy in my heart..., does that make me a real futurama fan on top of that? Man, I couldn't say, and I find the thought scary by itself.. I really do..., I had to take a break, because I couldn't help but take alot of certain things to heart and personally. But I want so much to be apart of what is said here and such. So what should I do? Should I go ahead and check it(Benders Big Score) out then? I'm just scared.... and I could use some professional advice from you real-time futurama fans who perservered, and those who understand the Leela/Fry ship, even more so with this new installment out. I mean that.

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WAVer, gird up your loins and watch the movie.  You'll be fine.  What happens is that you are excited at the start, depressed in the middle, then confused in the end.  Confused because you don't know whether to be delighted or dismayed about the Ship (and I'm not talking about the big green one).  You'll go through a couple of days of letdown, and then you'll realize that in the end it was an excellent movie, and there's three more to go!

Oh yeah, and read fanfiction.   Good for your soul 

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Originally posted by JustNibblin':

WAVer, gird up your loins and watch the movie.  You'll be fine.  What happens is that you are excited at the start, depressed in the middle, then confused in the end.  Confused because you don't know whether to be delighted or dismayed about the Ship (and I'm not talking about the big green one).  You'll go through a couple of days of letdown, and then you'll realize that in the end it was an excellent movie, and there's three more to go!

Oh yeah, and read fanfiction.   Good for your soul   

[Scruffy]Second[/Scruffy] I loved the movie. The only problem I had was the Leela/Lars/Fry stuff. But it was still great. buy it watch it discuss, repeat.

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Originally posted by JustNibblin':

Oh yeah, and read fanfiction.   Good for your soul   

Dude, I lived off of FanFics. Got several saved on my hard drive, as well as alot of great pics.

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I wasn't really sure what I thought about the Lars thing at first but after some thought I really like it. He doesn't mind "stealing" Leela from himself because he already know's they aren't dating (he asks her) and he knows what will happen because he has already been Fry in that situation. I guess he's thinking that it sucks for him (Fry) now but he (Lars) wins in the long run, at least until he found out he was going to die.  I think the other reason is that he's had the only two things he ever really lover ripped out from under him. Leelu by the other narwhal and Leela by well himself. When he looks in the mirror and realizes who Lars really was he was so happy that he had another chance at something he gave up on years before that he didn't really think about the fact that Fry was still there. Call him what you want and change the course of his life but he's still Fry. So if finds out Leela loves him what would you expect his reaction to be.

Lars really shows a different kind of Fry that is smarter more mature and just more capable of dealing with the world. It shows what his potential is and I think that is part of the point. It made Leela realise that Fry can become "the only man she'll ever love".

After watching BBS a second time now I've come to the conclusion that the entire "Lars" situation is the most clever thing they've ever done and probably one of my favorites. I count it on the level of "Parasites Lost" or "The Sting". I just think the amazing thing is how everybody (or at least some of us) kinda knew their was something much deeper to Fry's character than was ever shown in the series. I just see this as that side of Fry that we never saw.

Ok that was officially the longest post I've ever written. Now to sit back and wait to be told how wrong I am......just like the good old days.

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Don't want to interrupt the continuity of this thread but felt I had to do a little venting here. 

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I have to admit that I didn't figure out who Lars was until the very end. The first time through the movie I got madder and madder as I watched (both in the English and American senses of the word).  Why the heck was Leela falling so hard and so quickly for this new guy?! And why were they spending so much time showing the Fry version who stayed in the 21st century?!  I was literally angry with rage!  It all made sense in the end and the 2nd viewing was actually enjoyable, understandable and satisfying. 

I was a little disappointed in Leela's rather tepid attitude towards Fry at the end; you'd think she would be ready to do more than give him a quick peck on the cheek, although I suppose even in their world a funeral is not a place to show too much public affection.  I was also disappointed that the history of their relationship between Devil's Hands and BBScore was not covered.

Overall though it was more than acceptable on a shippy level.  Hooray!

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I don't like the fact that he takes Leela away from himself but he makes himself realize that he needs to mature to win over Leela.

Well if by "mature", you mean balding with a beard, then you're right. All he had to do was show up and deliver a corny line, and Leela just fell all over him. That doesn't make sense. He didn't show any signs of being more mature between the time they first met and the time Leela agreed to go out with him. Fry, on the other hand, saved her from getting married to a fraud, got rid of parasitic worms that made him smart for her, nearly died so she could breathe, got stung by a bee the size of a Buick for her, moved the stars for her, learned how to pilot a space ship to impress her, and learned how to play the universe's most difficult instrument so he could write an opera. About her.

To echo his words, "What does a guy have to do?"

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I agree with everything b_h just said.

Come on, do you all want her with a Fry that is like Lars [Fry-Lars], or with Fry-Fry?

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I agree completely as well. It's sorta been my point ever since I started watching futurama as a whole..., what does a guy have to do? But the writers and directors may just try to milk this for all it's worth, and because of that, I think I might enjoy fanfics abit more... (NOT saying the movie that came out or the future movies that will come out won't be enjoyable) but I want to see some consistency with each episode as well, and that carry into the movies too (regarding fry/leela ship)I look forward to finally seeing the film

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All he had to do was show up and deliver a corny line, and Leela just fell all over him.

Deep down she must have known he felt very familiar. You know the old saying, "Familiarity breeds contempt"? Think about that for a moment. She fell for a man who is basically Fry, but as far as she was concerned she'd never seen him before in her life. What that means is, Leela's own negative attitude toward Fry isn't letting her see him for who he is anymore. By the end of the movie she seemed to be on her way to realising this.

They both have to change. Fry needs to get more mature (and he's trying to), Leela needs to get her head out of her arse and see past her own prejudices about this stupid-ages kid (and she's trying to, too).

Of course now the preview for BWABB I just saw on youtube has Fry in another relationship entirely, apparently, though I suspect it won't last very long after the "five boyfriends" revelation. It also has everyone dying. I'm not sure what to make of that.

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First of all, where is the preview of the next movie?  O.O

It's not included on the DVD as a special feature or anything.  And I watched all the extras last night (except for the audio commentary, which I haven't seen yet).


 

Originally posted by bend_her:
Well if by "mature", you mean balding with a beard, then you're right. All he had to do was show up and deliver a corny line, and Leela just fell all over him. That doesn't make sense. He didn't show any signs of being more mature between the time they first met and the time Leela agreed to go out with him. Fry, on the other hand, saved her from getting married to a fraud, got rid of parasitic worms that made him smart for her, nearly died so she could breathe, got stung by a bee the size of a Buick for her, moved the stars for her, learned how to pilot a space ship to impress her, and learned how to play the universe's most difficult instrument so he could write an opera. About her.

To echo his words, "What does a guy have to do?"

I agree, as well.

I've always wanted Leela to like Fry for who he is. 

Not just like him because something weird happens - he gets worms, uses the Devil's hands, or becomes Lars (Lars being pretty much him, only older, bald, and with a different voice).


 

Originally posted by Frisco17:
He doesn't mind "stealing" Leela from himself because he already know's they aren't dating (he asks her) and he knows what will happen because he has already been Fry in that situation. I guess he's thinking that it sucks for him (Fry) now but he (Lars) wins in the long run, at least until he found out he was going to die.  I think the other reason is that he's had the only two things he ever really lover ripped out from under him. Leelu by the other narwhal and Leela by well himself. When he looks in the mirror and realizes who Lars really was he was so happy that he had another chance at something he gave up on years before that he didn't really think about the fact that Fry was still there. Call him what you want and change the course of his life but he's still Fry. So if finds out Leela loves him what would you expect his reaction to be.

Yes, I completely agree with you there.

 

Originally posted by Bendersfan1221:
I guess I'm sotra with Sine Wave. I'm not really sure how I feel about him yet. I don't like the fact that he takes Leela away from himself but he makes himself realize that he needs to mature to win over Leela. He figured that Leela being happy was the best thing for her I don't get why he didn't care about his other self. He knows his feeling for Leela so yeah Lars was a bad side of Fry. But he forced Fry to do what's best for Leela and mature and he made Leela realize that she could love Fry. So I'm not really sure.

Yeah, that part confused me too.

I guessed that when Lars got to the future and saw Fry, he immediately remembered that he was a duplicate of Fry all along.


However, knowing how Fry feels when Leela's dating someone else - that explains why Lars left the group in that one scene (the part where Fry returns from having been in the past).  He felt bad for himself, because he know exactly how Fry was feeling at that moment.


Heh, later on, when it's revealed that Lars was really Fry all along, I bet Fry wondered how his other self got bald and all of that.  LOL.  Also, I bet he was probably baffled at how he actually became Lars. 

But the question is, now that Fry knows the truth, in the end was Lars' original personality (Fry) changed so much that Fry truly believed Lars was a different person, far too different than Fry himself?  Because Lars wasn't exactly Fry anymore (neither the dense nor childish parts of his personality seemed present anymore). 

So I wonder if Fry thinks he has to get rid of those aspects of his personality entirely, in order to make Leela like him?  Or perhaps maybe he can win Leela over and still keep those aspects of his personality somehow (personally, I would prefer it that way). 


I don't know how everyone else feels, but I don't want Fry to lose those great, charming aspects of his personality.  His being dense and his childishness can be good things, in my opinion.


And also, I just feel like randomly quoting this, because I love this line.  XD

Fry:  "But Nibbler heat blasted it off my butt!  I wanna stress that part!"

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Yeah, I agree with the what does Fry have to do to win her over? He's trying to mature but he also needs to hold on to his boyish charm. He's done so much for Leela and she wont even give him a chance. I would like to show what happened between TDHAIPT and BBS. Archonix I don't know if everyone is really dead but I guess we'll find out in spring.

Where's the page annual Star Trek picture? Shit I'm gonna regret asking that aren't I?

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Hey, there were two Frys in my fanfic 'A River with Currents', due to a time-travel plot device (one was a little older and embittered, with a few scars, a robotic arm, a trench coat, and a five o'clock shadow). Leela was confused as to which of them she should be smooching.

The writers stole my idea!
Or not, I guess... it's pretty generic.

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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Hey, there were two Frys in my fanfic 'A River with Currents', due to a time-travel plot device (one was a little older and embittered, with a few scars, a robotic arm, a trench coat, and a five o'clock shadow). Leela was confused as to which of them she should be smooching.

The writers stole my idea!
Or not, I guess... it's pretty generic.

I read that it was good. Now lets have you write more. You know coldy they should make your stories into episodes or have you write episodes for them.

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I remember that one too. It was clever. 

 

Where's the page annual Star Trek picture? Shit I'm gonna regret asking that aren't I?

Not from me. I'm out of that whole thing again now after the realisation that I was basically posting Shatner naked. That is not an image I want in my head.

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<<You know coldy they should make your stories into episodes or have you write episodes for them.>>

Well, I am looking for work at the moment. Maybe I'll consider letting them employ me.

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[edit] it goes better elsewhere that pic does![/edit]

So anyway, am I alone in thinking that Fry needs to buck up a bit? Yes, she's rejected him any number of times now but if everyone gave up after a few rejections there'd be no babies, and no babies means no human race. If he loves her he'll keep on chasing until he's got her.

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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Hey, there were two Frys in my fanfic 'A River with Currents', due to a time-travel plot device (one was a little older and embittered, with a few scars, a robotic arm, a trench coat, and a five o'clock shadow). Leela was confused as to which of them she should be smooching.

The writers stole my idea!
Or not, I guess... it's pretty generic.

Hey, ColdAngel, that's what I was referring to when I wrote a while ago that you would like this movie.  I recognized the time-travel duplicate parallel.  And you thought I meant the nude beach scene...

So I looked over the first draft of BBS on the DVD, and it's interesting that while much of the alien scammer plot was in final form, they had a lot of revision on the Fry/Leela subplot.  Some scenes are missing, but more interesting, some scenes were dropped, including

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Lars asks Fry to be the best man at the wedding, and acknowledges Fry's feeling for Leela.  Also, Fry has a little speech denouncing the engagement in the snow-bound alley scene.  Also, not sure but I think there was a very subtle reference to TDHIP

Other little things too.  Check it out and the DVD commentary--lots of little insights into the ship.

Also, ironic that the director of the film, Dwayne-Carry Hill (sp), stated that TDHIP was her personal favorite episode.

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Originally posted by JustNibblin':

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Lars asks Fry to be the best man at the wedding, and acknowledges Fry's feeling for Leela.  Also, Fry has a little speech denouncing the engagement in the snow-bound alley scene.  Also, not sure but I think there was a very subtle reference to TDHIP

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Aww. It's so sweet Lars asked Fry to be best mn. It must hve been quite hard for him to watch Fry be so hurt.

I ws jus wondering but just before Lars asked out Leela he sked if she and Fry were together. He obviously knew they weren't. Did he think time had changed of was he just trying to not blow his cover?

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Originally posted by PazuzuJr:

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...I ws jus wondering but just before Lars asked out Leela he sked if she and Fry were together. He obviously knew they weren't. Did he think time had changed of was he just trying to not blow his cover?

*THIS WHOLE THREAD WILL BE FULL OF SPOILERS FOR A WHILE, WON'T IT!?*

I think he was being polite and thoughtful; that's one of the Fry/Lars differences.

Also, although it is really odd how Leela instantly falls for the familiar stranger with the corny lines you can't blame Lars for his approach or for "stealing" Leela.  He has no idea that he's not the "real deal" and he has seen exactly how well those lines worked.  Remember that through that point of the movie his experience and memory is the same as Fry's. He may be hurting himself but from Lars' point of view it is a past hurt that he has learned to get over.

Later on when they run into Fry again their timelines have diverged so Lars may not know how to handle Fry which is why he excuses himself from the group's presence.