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coldangel

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« Reply #560 on: 11-01-2006 07:16 »

I thought 'shippy' as it relates to Futurama, could only really apply to Fry and Leela (and by extension their relationships with other people), as theirs is really the only romantic relationship in the show that is unresolved. And really the only other one to speak of that isn't one episode alone (Bender's flings) or completely disgusting (Professor & Mom) is Amy and Kif... and theirs is rather two-dimensional and completely resolved.
Point is - what other relationships beside Fry/Leela in the Futurama Universe lend themselves to discussion at this point? I'd say none.

Chattiness and loss of focus is inevitable because ultimately we will always reach a point at which everything that can be said is said and anything more would mean repeating ourselves.

Nevertheless... To be intelligent and long-winded about their relationship I shall pose the following verbose intellectual question:

Will Fry & Leela's offspring have 1.5 eyes?
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #561 on: 11-01-2006 07:25 »

Ew.No!
That would make them look like the hunchback of Notre Dame. I'd prefer either 2 or 1 eye.
coldangel

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« Reply #562 on: 11-01-2006 07:47 »

Hehe, sorry. I can't help but be irreverant. It's my way of showing the world that I hold it in disdain.
But lets get serious.

If Leela was completely genuine about wanting Fry to stop his romantic advances then she would stop hanging around with him all the time. I mean, sure she works with him, but she also seems to spend most of her leisure time with the guy as well - that's by choice, not necessity. Why would she want to willingly put herself in the presence of her infatuated coworker if she didn't at some level actually welcome his advences... even just as a confidence boost, but I don't think Leela's that type. I think she likes it, otherwise she wouldn't be spending virtually every waking minute with him; if she wanted to avoid him constantly asking her out she'd distance herself to give him time to get over it. But she doesn't want him to get over it.
Do you agree?
And is that long-winded enough?
'Cause I got more...
any1else

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« Reply #563 on: 11-01-2006 08:43 »
« Last Edit on: 11-01-2006 08:43 »

Today when I was watching TKOS, I got the impression Fry was a bit out of character with the whole continual bugging Leela for a date thing. I felt like going "stop it, Fry, you're ruining your chances!" I actually understood for a moment why Leela wasn't so interested.   eek But then I did feel sorry for him after the message exploded. Last time I saw that ep I didn't, probably because I'd seen later episodes before I'd seen that episode because TV likes to jumble things without me knowing that they're jumbled.

In the episodes following, though, I did notice Fry and Leela seemed a bit closer. So...
coldangel

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« Reply #564 on: 11-01-2006 10:13 »

Yes. Desperation is very unattractive regardless of which gender it's coming from.
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« Reply #565 on: 11-01-2006 10:26 »

Yes. But it didn't seem right that Fry would suddenly be like that...
coldangel

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« Reply #566 on: 11-01-2006 10:28 »

Pay no attention to that plot device behind the curtain.
any1else

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« Reply #567 on: 11-01-2006 10:40 »

But I was going to pet it...

Fry and Leela sitting in a tree
D-O-I-N-G N-O-T-H-I-N-G because they never seem to get anywhere.
First comes a glance
Then comes a rejection
Then comes Bender making some joke about protection...

Erm..?
Writer unit32

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« Reply #568 on: 11-01-2006 13:26 »

You're right trhey are D-O-I-N-G N-O-T-H-I-N-G!But why in a tree?...
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« Reply #569 on: 11-01-2006 13:32 »

Its the way the song goes although I wish it was like this....

Fry and Leela sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes love
Next comes marriage
Then come the baby in the baby carriage!
SpaceCase

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« Reply #570 on: 11-01-2006 14:29 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
If Leela was completely genuine about wanting Fry to stop his romantic advances then she would stop hanging around with him all the time.
Not quite right.
It seems self-evident that Leela truly does have great affection for Fry.
Having said this, while she loves his charm and his devotion to her, she can’t stand his laziness or immaturity.
T’would seem, from Leela’s point of view, Fry can be the most endearing man in the universe one moment, and the most irritating the next.
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I mean, sure she works with him, but she also seems to spend most of her leisure time with the guy as well - that's by choice, not necessity.
She likes him.
Not the same way Fry likes her, nor to the same degree, nonetheless; there it is.
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Why would she want to willingly put herself in the presence of her infatuated coworker if she didn't at some level actually welcome his advences...
I don’t believe she "welcomes" his advances, but they must boost her ego.
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... even just as a confidence boost, but I don't think Leela's that type. I think she likes it, otherwise she wouldn't be spending virtually every waking minute with him...
I think that’s overstating it by a wide margin.
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... if she wanted to avoid him constantly asking her out she'd distance herself to give him time to get over it. But she doesn't want him to get over it.
Do you agree?
I’ll put it this way; it seems Leela sees more value than cost in being near Fry.
It's not a binary, black-or-white, kind of thing, but a thousand shades of gray.
This, I think, is what keeps we shippers ‘on the hook’: Not necessarily the "unresolvedness" of the ‘ship’, but the complexity.
A full dissertation on the Fry/Leela ‘ship would make the "Oxford English Dictionary" look like an ‘Archie comic!  wink

I... uh... I'll shut up now...
x-number1fan-x

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« Reply #571 on: 11-01-2006 14:55 »

no please don't shut up! this is the most sense i've heard since... since... well... since ever! *puppy dog pout*
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« Reply #572 on: 11-01-2006 15:12 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:

Leela and Fry, sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes love, but times skips marriage,
Which Lee-la's confusion makes her disparage.

Leela and Fry, married in a tree,
D-I-V-O-R-C-E
Cartoon law broke them up, sure,
But in the end they'll be once more...

Leela and Fry, sitting in a tree
Both as happy as they can be
Deep inside you know it's true,
'Cause Matt&Dav'd are Shippers too!

Yes... And stuff.

Now, please, everybody applaude me.

Thank you. Now I'll tell you why.

Nixorbo edited my WikiPEELia page! No, that's not it...

Oh, yes, now I remember. I've now officially seen all of the Futurama episodes! I just watched That's Lobstertainment, and to tell you the truth, it's not all that bad. I mean, from reviews, it ranked down with A Leela of Her Own, which I agree, wasn't very good. But Lobstertainment? That was wonderful! But then I realized what the problem was...

Fry and Leela were trapped alone on the ship for four entire weeks and nothing happened!

Terrible episode, terrible!

jle1993

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« Reply #573 on: 11-01-2006 15:33 »

Completely agree, it was a disgrace!

Trapped on a ship for four weeks and Leela and Fry don't do anything? Its an outrage I tell you, its enough to make me cry, in fact I think I will, *bursts into hystrical sobs*
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« Reply #574 on: 11-01-2006 17:06 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
 Okay, people!  I have been rather fearful of this trend, and here is independent confirmation: this thread is losing its focus.  We need less light chattiness (however fun that may be) and more of the Intelligent, Long-Winded Shipper-ness that the thread was created to be home for.

Perhaps someone could start a "Shipper Lite(TM) ShippyChitChat" thread...or the "Deep Down: Fry and Leela Soul Searching" thread will BECOME the defacto Intelligent, Long-Winded Shipper Thread's sequel.

Possibly this is already the case and I am fighting the tide here...but I'm still gonna get my pail and start scooping, darn it.


Whatever you want to do is fine... I want to be loved (you'll need some / lots of beer for that as someone famous once said), not disliked for diluting threads / creating diversions  smile

In regards to eventually saying everything that can possibly be said, it is possible... but then what do we do, stop posting and just do searches through a (very good otherwise) static archive ?  Prob is is you want to keep things alive until the new series comes (and in fact actually HELP Futurama come back!), I believe you need to keep people interested and interacting, even if they repeat themselves, and aks stupid questions...

And finally, about long threads. Let me give an example : Do you often, if ever look at more than the first 3-4 hits in a Google search ? Do you ever look at the second / third hit pages ?  Humans get bored easily. Searching through archives is good as a start but not as a surrogate for interaction.

Did I just state the obvious  smile

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« Reply #575 on: 11-01-2006 22:15 »

 
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Originally posted by any1else:
But I was going to pet it...

Fry and Leela sitting in a tree
D-O-I-N-G N-O-T-H-I-N-G because they never seem to get anywhere.
First comes a glance
Then comes a rejection
Then comes Bender making some joke about protection...

Erm..?

Seriously, why must I laugh insanely at the dirty things?

Xanfor; We don't see anything happen, they could've talked, they could have played Testris on Leela's wrist thing, they could've played twister on the celing. We may never know... unless someone writes a fanfic >.>
SpaceCase

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« Reply #576 on: 11-01-2006 23:30 »

 
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Originally posted by x-number1fan-x:
no please don't shut up! this is the most sense i've heard since... since... well... since ever! *puppy dog pout*
  confused

If so, you really need to get out more!  laff
Shiny

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« Reply #577 on: 11-02-2006 00:41 »
« Last Edit on: 11-02-2006 00:41 »

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
If Leela was completely genuine about wanting Fry to stop his romantic advances then she would stop hanging around with him all the time...Why would she want to willingly put herself in the presence of her infatuated coworker if she didn't at some level actually welcome his advences...

Because she enjoys his company as a friend?  She hangs out with Bender a lot, too, but I don't hear anyone suggesting she secretly welcomes getting pick-pocketed....

Fry isn't ALWAYS after her for a date.  In fact, more often than not, he's just "hanging out."  I don't consider TKOS or Love&Rocket Parabox as OOC for him, I just figure that every now and then Fry feels renewed inspiration to try and get her to date him, and comes on strong for 5-14 days, then settles back into their normal buddyhood.

 
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if she wanted to avoid him constantly asking her out she'd distance herself to give him time to get over it. But she doesn't want him to get over it.
Do you agree?

Nope!  I think that when Fry's not pursuing her directly, she is very happy hanging out with him, but when he turns on the "date me" subroutine, she gets uncomfortable and tense and wants things to go back to "normal."  (And I think it's exactly the opposite of a confidence boost: I think it makes her squirm because deep down she doesn't believe she deserves such devotion.  She said it herself: "I've never been treated so romantically by my own imagination."  Dude, that baaaaad... )

 
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And is that long-winded enough?
'Cause I got more...

It's a start. 


  tongue


Shiny "This Is More Like It" J. Fangirl

P.S. clapclapclapclapclapclapclap... Yay Xanfor!  And yeah, there are some good things in Lobstertainment...a lot of nice moments, actually, but they didn't gel as a whole.  (And didn't Fry and Leela look cute in their Hollywood Premier outfits, though...  wink )
coldangel

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« Reply #578 on: 11-02-2006 03:02 »

In my admittedly limited experience and observation, relationships that develop between people who are friends first before becoming lovers seem to have a much higher success rate, last longer, and are generally happier.
On the other hand, when relative strangers become lovers it seems to be real hard for them to learn to be friends while they're learning to be lovers - they're arkward and unsure. If they can manage to stay together long enough they may have a chance to develop friendship. But from what I've seen it's a rare couple that can survive the ups-and-downs of a love relationship for any length of time without the strong foundation that initial friendship helps provide.

As you've all pointed out, they're good friends, and that friendship is something Leela values. But I think she's terrified of going any further for fear of destroying that friendship. Many never cross the line of platonic friendship out of fear that the change will be for the worse, and there's no doubt that it's difficult for friends who become lovers to go back to being just friends.
However I think that's another case of risk vs gain, and at some point Leela will decide to take the risk. She has been shown as someone who is looking for a meaningful relationship (as opposed to Amy for most of the series).
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« Reply #579 on: 11-02-2006 04:45 »

Hey I just watched "I Second that Emotion" today
 and I found this dialogue:

Leela: I can't! I love every living creature

Fry: Even me?

Leela: As a friend.

Fry: Damn...

This is way in the beginning of the second season, my question is this, when do you guys suppose Fry actually fell in love with Leela?
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« Reply #580 on: 11-02-2006 06:14 »

I have a question too: What do you think Fry actually sees in Leela?

Like obviously, he finds her smart and beautiful like he points out in TKOS but there are plenty of women like that in the world. It must be much deeper than that for him to be so devoted. What is it?
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« Reply #581 on: 11-02-2006 06:18 »

Oh and Apple Tea, I think he fell in love in the first episode, but didn't really know it at the time. Leela and Fry DID have that little shippy moment in that episode. He probably felt something small for Leela and it's grown over time.
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« Reply #582 on: 11-02-2006 06:23 »
« Last Edit on: 11-02-2006 06:23 »

Maybe after she kept saving his life, they developed a special bond of some kind.
Or maybe he sees a part of himself in her, you know, the part thats desperate and lonely and he wants to help soothe her pain.

Edit: I know after all this talk about lonliness and walls and junk makes me wanna go break down some relationship barriers.  It's just too bad I lack the social skills to do it...
any1else

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« Reply #583 on: 11-02-2006 06:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
I have a question too: What do you think Fry actually sees in Leela?

Haha, yeah...
She can be so serious sometimes, which is scary. Serious people should not be allowed...anywhere. But then Fry's un-serious generally, so they can level each other out...
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« Reply #584 on: 11-02-2006 06:43 »
« Last Edit on: 11-02-2006 06:43 »

Fry realized he loved Leela during Parasites Lost. However, the initial seeds of that love were planted well before, during such episodes as Space Pilot 3000, I Second That Emotion and A Flight to Remember.

<SEL1000Beta>: Daisy... Daisy... Give me your answer, do...

No, SEL, Love and Rocket came after Parasites Lost. Although it is rather adorable...



Fry tells Leela that she's cute. So... Aren't you supposed to say thank you when given a complement?

<SEL1000Beta>: I'm half crazy... All for the love, of you...

Yes, SEL, we get it. Perhaps you should hold off until your next upgrade. You don't want to create a bad reputation on PEEL.

<SEL1000Beta>: It won't be a stylish marriage...

Forget it, the shippers love you now. Say, how 'bout one more shippy pic, eh?

<SEL1000Beta>: I can't afford a carriage...



<SEL1000Beta>: But you'll look sweet, upon the seat, of a bicycle built, for two...

coldangel

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« Reply #585 on: 11-02-2006 09:03 »

What monumental fates conspired, or alien intelligences plotted, for two people a thousand years and a world apart to come together? Equals and opposites seperated by an ocean of time inexplicably brought together; that they would be the perfect match for one another, the catalyzing component for completion of the mind and soul, seems infinately implausible, improbable, impossible... and somehow perfectly reasonable. And right.
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« Reply #586 on: 11-02-2006 10:34 »

*crys* These are tears of joy Coldangel, you've finally become a real human and a proper shipper. I salute you *salutes*

FRY AND LEELA 4EVA, it was destiny that brought them together, they just need to relise it.
coldangel

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« Reply #587 on: 11-02-2006 11:00 »

I'm not human, I'm a *NOVELIST*
And as such I do enjoy running off at the meladramatic mouth. Glad you liked it  smile I'm a whore for the praise of readers, you know. A dirty filthy whore.

But despite that, I do believe what I said there. Romantic couples that are paired up through immense quirks of fate seem to strike a chord of destiny - those are good stories, noble and true. I enjoy them greatly and I would take my hat off to the writers if I could find a hat to fit my gargantuan head.
jle1993

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« Reply #588 on: 11-02-2006 11:04 »

Coldangel, you ARE human, and you're talented. You are also a novelist, but a human one.

Destiny know no time limit or age difference, destiny prevails over all, Fry and Leela, me and ?, it'll all work out as long as one of them want's it enough to work at it.
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« Reply #589 on: 11-02-2006 11:25 »

So me and Audrey Tautou could still work out?
jle1993

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« Reply #590 on: 11-02-2006 11:30 »

If its fate then yeah
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« Reply #591 on: 11-02-2006 11:57 »
« Last Edit on: 11-02-2006 11:57 »

There were Fry/Leela moments in these episodes:
1.Space Pilot 3000(hand holding scene).Interapted by Bender.
2.The Series Has Landed(The Leela realises something about moon bit).Interapted by Bender.
3.My Three Suns(right before Leela startes beating up Fry).Interapted by Leela 'helping' Fry.
4.A Flight To Remember(I'm sure you know that one).Interapted (whats strange not on purpose) by Zapp(throw turning the ship to the black hole)
5.a X-Mas Story(two moments).Interapted by Santa.
Now I'm becoming lazy and I'll stop stating the obvious.
6.Parasites Lost.
7.The Cyber House Rules(the little bit in the end)
8.Love And Rocket.
9.The Why Of Fry.
10.The Sting.
11.The Farnsworth Parabox
12.Three Hundred Big Boys(seen on two dates)
13.The Devils Hands Are Idle Playthings
Also I figured out why arent Fry and Leela together yet if it took only one date for the parallel ones.After Parabox they went on a APE FIGHT and in 300 Big Boys the first date went well but on the second Fry was coffee crazy.And it didn't take one date the parallel Leela tost a coin before EVERY date smile.
Wrote this crap switched to maximum insanity 
any1else

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« Reply #592 on: 11-02-2006 12:05 »

Oi, I know something I've always wondered since I first saw Parabox; if Leela is always tossing a coin for something and the outcome is opposite for the parallel Leel's, what happens when the parallel Leela tosses a coin, say, to decide which house they should buy? 'Our' Leela wouldn't be tossing a coin for that thing at that time, so what's the dealio in that situation?
jle1993

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« Reply #593 on: 11-02-2006 12:25 »

She'd pick the one that the other Leela considerd but doesn't get
any1else

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« Reply #594 on: 11-02-2006 12:31 »

But it wouldn't happen at the same time...
Fry and Leela would be together in one place, and not together in another place, so if Fry and Leela were planning on going out somewhere and she flipped a coin to decide where they should go, the other Fry and Leela wouldn't even be organising to go out together that day, they'd be doing completely different things. So the whole coin flip doesn't have an opposite option, so it doesn't hold a purpose there...Can't..explain properly...1.30AM...need sleep..
jle1993

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« Reply #595 on: 11-02-2006 12:33 »

Look, they would get different houses, that is all we need to know
any1else

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« Reply #596 on: 11-02-2006 12:48 »

But the details...the details

Where do you think they should live? In the PE ship? Oooh, that'd be cool.
jle1993

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« Reply #597 on: 11-02-2006 12:49 »

No way, they should just move into Leela's apartment, theres defiatel room for Fry's stuff
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« Reply #598 on: 11-02-2006 18:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
I have a question too: What do you think Fry actually sees in Leela?

Like obviously, he finds her smart and beautiful like he points out in TKOS but there are plenty of women like that in the world. It must be much deeper than that for him to be so devoted. What is it?

'There are plenty of women like that in the world' - but how accessible are they to Fry, a newcomer to Y3K ?  Fry is quite easily distracted by such women when he gets the chance to be near them and they're not very obviously evil (Deep South is one example - maybe, but hey what abt Amy ?) But regardless of that, I believe in Leela's case he sees similarity with his situation - loneliness is one of course.
Throughout the series Leela becomes Fry's true and only love - so the answer to what Fry sees in Leela  is well what do you see in your true love ?
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« Reply #599 on: 11-02-2006 19:21 »

Nice list Writer unit32. 

What does this count as?
In "A Leela of her own":

Fry: Can I pat you on the butt?
Leela: Fry!  I'm a professional athlete, so go ahead.
Fry: Awn, now I'm too nervous





Why is that episode so hated anyway?  I mean, it wasn't my favorite or anything, but I liked it.  The jokes were good and everything..
"Bender should not be allowed on TV" - now THAT is a bad episode.
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