The Loooovenasium (Or, the Intelligent, Long-Winded Shipper Thread, Part II)

[#640 :]

 

Originally posted by Fry_B:
 And I have commended you already for that    (although maybe in the DD thread) We'll see that second eye metaphor in the next fanfic, right ?

Ehh, If I ever get around to writing another.

[#641 :]

You better Coldangel, I still have my steel toe cap boots, plus I just brought an aray of ninja items.

I feel that Leela's depth Perception Problem has blinded her, she only sees the hurt she's been through, and assumes Fry will be the same.

[#642 :]

My writing has availed me nothing of worth in this life. Now it only serves to remind me of how completely and utterly I have failed at all that I set out to accomplish.

Leela hates herself. She doesn't know it, but deep down all the mistreatment of her youth resulting from being abandoned and a freak actually convinced her that she is worthless. Outwardly she fights with the ferocity of a wildcat to assert dominance in all things, often to the point of becoming violent and foolhardy, but this is also a reflection of that inner self-hatred - that's what she's really trying to fight against. She consistantly falls in with lovers who are clearly scum of the earth (or whatever other planet) because she subconsciously seeks out punishment for her perceived failings as a mutant orphen. She wants to feel pain and humiliation because that's what she thinks she deserves... again, all at a subconscious level.
SOOOO - she won't let Fry have her because she knows he'll actually treat her right and she'll be happy with him. Dirty orphened freak Leela is unworthy of that.

[#643 :]

But in punishing herself, she's punishing Fry.

[#644 :]

Coldangel: Ummm not sure if I agree with that. She quite possibly has a low self-esteem but she doesn't not go into relationships because she's scared of being happy.

[#645 :]

Why not? Lots of people do.

[#646 :]

But she really did think Chaz was great until he was mean to the orphans. And until then, he wasn't actually that bad. And she felt herself worthy of him.

[#647 :]

Chaz came across as a very arrogant self-obsessed wanker of a man, and I think Leela's observant enough to have seen that.

[#648 :]

Chaz was a mook. Everything had to be 'acceptable'. Pobody's Nerfect and Leela should know that.

Yeah...

[#649 :]

Yeah Chaz was self-obsessed. But it could have been worse.

[#650 :]

Yeah I guess... he could have been an introverted sociopathic anarchist communist freak with violent mood-swings, an obsession with knives, a pathological contempt for human life and the established cornerstones of civilization, and a desire to see all of humanity suffer beneath his boot heel........ like me.

[#651 :]

aww don't badmouth yourself... where all of us can hear you..!

[#652 :]

I wasn't. I'm proud of all those things.

[#653 :]

A shipper with a desire to kill all humans!So I'm not the only one...And you are a shipper!Heh,heh,heh 

[#654 :]

well, at least you're proud of yourself, thats all that matters *pats CA1 on the back*

 

[#655 :]

   

Originally posted by coldangel_1:
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Leela hates herself. She doesn't know it, but deep down all the mistreatment of her youth resulting from being abandoned and a freak actually convinced her that she is worthless. Outwardly she fights with the ferocity of a wildcat to assert dominance in all things, often to the point of becoming violent and foolhardy, but this is also a reflection of that inner self-hatred - that's what she's really trying to fight against. She consistantly falls in with lovers who are clearly scum of the earth (or whatever other planet) because she subconsciously seeks out punishment for her perceived failings as a mutant orphen. She wants to feel pain and humiliation because that's what she thinks she deserves... again, all at a subconscious level.
SOOOO - she won't let Fry have her because she knows he'll actually treat her right and she'll be happy with him. Dirty orphened freak Leela is unworthy of that.

Very plausible theory. But what about Leela fighting for Fry++ in Parasites Lost ? She would not only let Fry++ have her (well we know he didn't take her 'cause he had other issues once he got smart enough), but once she knew he had become everything she wanted, she FOUGHT for him, worms and all. Where was the subconscious self-hate then ? A-HA !! (Burn..      ) Listen, I am sure subconscious self-hate is a part of Leela, but so is sub-conscious LOVE... There !

NOTE: Message edited to make it cheesier

[#656 :]

She knew Fry++ was fake. THERE is the self-hate. She was settling for a transient facade. What she was allowing herself to fall for was a mass of parasitic bowel worms. Eeew.

[#657 :]

 

Originally posted by coldangle_1:
She was settling for a transient facade. What she was allowing herself to fall for was a mass of parasitic bowel worms. Eeew.

Yeah, I didn't like that about her. The real Fry is better than the 'enhanced' Fry any day.


...Perfection,


...versus quality.

[#658 :]

Ha. 'perfection versus quality'.
I like that line. Sometimes perfection can be the most imperfect thing there is, because perfection itself is unattainable to *real* people. Human beings are flawed creatures, and that's what makes them beautiful. An untouched slab of marble is not art. But if you chip away at it with a chisel... slowly eat away at the facade and remove the perfect surface, you make a sculpture, and it becomes something more. It's the same with people. Someone without flaws and failings is a no-person, they have no personality, no individuality - nowhere left to go.

Perfection sucks.

This is why I am so unappealing to women. Because I'm TOO perfect for them.

Clever girl, Maz. 

[#659 :]

 

Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Ha. 'perfection versus quality'.
I like that line. Sometimes perfection can be the most imperfect thing there is, because perfection itself is unattainable to *real* people. Human beings are flawed creatures, and that's what makes them beautiful. An untouched slab of marble is not art. But if you chip away at it with a chisel... slowly eat away at the facade and remove the perfect surface, you make a sculpture, and it becomes something more. It's the same with people. Someone without flaws and failings is a no-person, they have no personality, no individuality - nowhere left to go.

And this is where I discover I'm in the wrong place. I like to keep things short and simple and here I am in a thread with 'long-winded' in the title.  Elaborate on my brevity, why don't you!

 

Originally posted by coldangel_1:
This is why I am so unappealing to women. Because I'm TOO perfect for them.

Who said you were unappealing? 

 

 

Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Clever girl, Maz.

  Golly, can I get a lolly now?

[#660 :]

 

Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Ha. 'perfection versus quality'.
I like that line. Sometimes perfection can be the most imperfect thing there is, because perfection itself is unattainable to *real* people. Human beings are flawed creatures, and that's what makes them beautiful. An untouched slab of marble is not art. But if you chip away at it with a chisel... slowly eat away at the facade and remove the perfect surface, you make a sculpture, and it becomes something more. It's the same with people. Someone without flaws and failings is a no-person, they have no personality, no individuality - nowhere left to go.

Perfection sucks.

So Leela was still punishing herself in going after Fry++ because he was 'perfect' ?. Me thinks not. To me this was not the same as falling for any of the other previous jerks. I believe Leela knew this was different. Whether she would have become bored afterwards... Also I believe you exaggerate the influence of subconscious impulses Leela is under in her 'normal' state ... How old was Leela anyway ? That matters a lot as well...

Maybe Fry++ was conceived to look perfect but it was not an alien Fry, just an enhanced Fry. Fry in The Devil's Hands still has the imagination of Fry++ (or most of it) - he just has 'lazy fingers' and he can't materialize his mental images properly.

I also have a prob with the marble analogy - marble does not start perfect and you make it imperfect to become more... anyway that's a long argument and I'm as grumpy as the Snail this morning 

As to the yuck factor of bowel worms... if you only knew the amount and type of creatures living in your bowel so you can function properly...

[#661 :]

Maz - sometimes you can say in one sentence what I feel compelled to write an essay about. It's actually quite clever. Have a lolly.

Fry_B - Leela is supposed to be about 25 at the beginning of the series and thus about 29ish at the end of the series. Ooooh.... she'll be 30 soon... the *tick tock* of the biological clock might wake her up from her stubborn stasis.
And you leave my marble metaphor alone, it has served me well for many years! Bastard...    I think it's apt.
Besides which, I was off the self-punishment track there and just promoting Fry as a flawed person.

I don't have a bowel or any internal parasites as I am a Posthuman entity comprised entirely of nanomachines.

[#662 :]

tha metaphor thingy was good, me liked it. Poor Leela's getting oldy, bur Fry'll still love her

[#663 :]

Fry's the same age. Although he doesn't act it.

I'll be 30 in seven years.

[#664 :]

poor coldy, ur getting oldy

[#665 :]

Fry and Leela are the same age? I always got the impression that Leela was a couple of years older than Fry. Especially from the first episode Leela says something like "Leave him alone, he's just a kid" or something I think. Also helps to explain Leela being more dominant maybe... but that theory isn't very accurate because a huge range of factors need to be taken in to determine dominance, mainly personality.

[#666 :]

Fry and Leela are exactly the same age. Boom, shot. I win.

[#667 :]

But how do you know, Xanfor?

[#668 :]

Because that's the shippyest way it can be. Haven't you heard of my Razor?

[#669 :]

The official word from the creators put Leela at age 25 at the start, which was how old Fry was when he was frozen. Originally they were gonna make her 30 but they backed her off a notch. Leela is more mature and worldly than Fry and she probably called him kid derisively because she assumed from his lack of social refinement that he was younger than he actually was.

[#670 :]

 

Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Maz - sometimes you can say in one sentence what I feel compelled to write an essay about. It's actually quite clever. Have a lolly.

"Gimmie a bigger lolly!"

 

Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
Especially from the first episode Leela says something like "Leave him alone, he's just a kid" or something I think. Also helps to explain Leela being more dominant maybe... but that theory isn't very accurate because a huge range of factors need to be taken in to determine dominance, mainly personality.

He's just a kid from the stupid ages.
Yeah, I always thought they were the same age. Leela was just more confident because she actually lives there.
Actually, that scares me a little with the whole dominant personality thing..I'm the youngest out of my friends but often it has been pointed out I'm like a mother figure. Eep.

 

Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Leela is more mature and worldly than Fry and she probably called him kid derisively because she assumed from his lack of social refinement that he was younger than he actually was.

Heh, I love how these characters are in their late 20's, and people are drooling over them like teenagers, whether they're teenagers or not. Plus that whole 'cartoon' issue...


Whell, back on track, wherever the track is, if Leela's age is so important in determining what she does in her relationships...why doesn't she give Fry a go? What's the worst that can happen? I know there's the whole "what if I get hurt again?" but if she's been hurt so many times surely once more wouldn't make such a difference...anyway, at least if she gave him a go, she could find out if she really did want to be with him and maybe he'd be more accepting to her not wanting to be with him, if that's how it turned out.

[#671 :]

What's funnier is that they're both voiced by people who are in their fifties.

Bah, human relationships are of no interest to me. An immortal demigod like myself has bigger concerns.

[#672 :]

Fifties? Serious? ROFL! They're probably like older than my dad (who's 51 or something)!

Nah that's actually quite interesting that they doesn't use people who are the actual ages of the characters. I've never considered that before.

Yeah, now I think about it, Fry is probably a little old for me. If he's 30, then he's 13 years older than me which is a bit much.

Am I one of the youngest PEELers? Who's younger than 17?

[#673 :]

He's 29 by the end of the series.

You're only 17?? Sheesh! Lot of young folk 'round these parts.
I'm 23.

[#674 :]

17's not that young! I'll be an adult in like 3 1/2 months. And I have one exam at school to go (tomorrow actually so I shouldn't be here) and then I'm fully out of high school. Because I already graduated.

But anyone could be on a Futurama forum because the target market is like everyone (below the age of 35 maybe and probably above the age of 7).

It was so weird, I did work experience at a primary school a couple of years ago and all these 6 and 7 year olds were talking about what was happening on The OC the night before. Is that show aimed for 6 and 7 year olds? It has like drug use/references, violence, sexual references, adult themes etc. etc.

[#675 :]

Yes, but I have to destroy all the secret photographs I've taken of you or I could get arrested.

Yes. The OC sucks. All soapies suck.

Also, are you saying I can't watch Futurama after I'm 35!? 

[#676 :]

LOL! No, when you're addicted to something, target markets aren't applicable anymore. So it's OK to continue liking Futurama.

Secret photos, aye?

[#677 :]

 

Originally posted by coldangel_1:
He's 29 by the end of the series.

You're only 17?? Sheesh! Lot of young folk 'round these parts.
I'm 23.

Wow, I was under the impression you guys were older than that.  Man now I feel old for some reason.  How old is jle? I always thought she was like 13 or something cuz of the 1993 in the name.

[#678 :]

Good.
I don't plan to live that long but in case I do I want to be able to watch lots of cartoons still. I love cartoons.

I didn't say anything about any secret photos.


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Here's a quote from Dana Scully in The X Files that I think can be quite easily applied to Leela and her feelings for Fry:

"Well, it seems to me that the best relationships - the ones that last - are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere. And the person who was just a friend is... suddenly the only person you can ever imagine yourself with"

[#679 :]

That is so true Coldangel, one minute the persons a friend, the next you can't live without them.