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LuvFry

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« Reply #680 on: 10-04-2006 14:13 »

How did I forget about X-mas?
Oh, I remember now, I almost said X-mas Story, but then I remembered that they were about to die (as Tim B mentioned), and they that never mention the (almost) kiss again.

I chose A Flight to Remember because its the first time that Leela kissed Fry, granted it was a distraction, but Fry seemed pretty happy afterwards. Later in the episode, they were both consciously making the decision to kiss, and when it didn't happen, Fry mentioned it again.
MrBlonde

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« Reply #681 on: 10-04-2006 15:11 »

What about in TSHL when they are in the original moon landing ship and they have a silent and touching moment?
Tim B

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« Reply #682 on: 10-04-2006 15:13 »
« Last Edit on: 10-04-2006 15:13 »

The reason I consider Xmas Story over A Flight To Remember is because throughout AFTR, Leela is very put off that she has to pretend Fry's her boyfriend.  You can tell she isn't interested in him.  Their near kiss in that episode is more of a spur of the moment thing. 
In Xmas Story, however, their kiss doesn't seem to be such a spur of the moment thing because of the scene earlier where they seemed to make a connection over their shared loneliness.  Plus, the fact that Leela appreciates Fry's effort to get her a gift.  Their feelings toward each other in Xmas Story seem more sincere than in A Flight to Remember.

@ LuvFry: I'm NOT discounting your opinion by any means, just better explaining my personal point of view.   smile
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #683 on: 10-04-2006 23:10 »

But in AFTR when Fry has his fake moments with Amy you can evidently see the jealousy.
Plus Fry wasn't really into the whole Amy thing, he says it himself, and I think this quote quite meaningful.

Rest assured; Leela's the only girl for me. - Fry
fryandlemon

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« Reply #684 on: 10-05-2006 01:16 »

AFTR

The jealousy:


and:

do not disturb...
HopelessShipper

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« Reply #685 on: 10-05-2006 01:49 »

Xmas Story's Shippyness is much more mutual than AFTR's. AFTR's is more predicated on jealousy. Jealousy isn't necessarily a bad thing, but a relationship built on it is doomed. (Remember to insert an intellectual example here. -HS) Oh, and THe Pilot is their first "moment," what with the shared googlie eyes and all. (Not to mention near kiss. Wouldn't it be cool if Bender was the first person to get in the way and somehow has a hand in getting them together in the end?)
coldangel

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« Reply #686 on: 10-05-2006 02:55 »
« Last Edit on: 10-05-2006 02:55 by coldangel_1 »

I put X-Mas story at about the same level as AFTR myself. Both had touching moments and almost-kisses, and in both they connected through their shared loneliness.

Put Your Head on my Shoulder is one that seems to get overlooked a bit. Not the shippiest by far, but the dinner scene is really sweet, and Leela admits she had a good time with Fry.

Love and Rocket has one of my favourite shippy moments when Fry gives her his air. Now that's a gentleman; I'm a straight male and even I swooned a little... *sigh* ...
...ahem, yes.

Hopelessshipper - that would be cool, yeah. Bender's cool when he has sensitive and unselfish moments that contrast sharply with his nature and better judgement. There's a good moment like that in my current fanfic. Coarse and apathetic characters are always more poignient from a literary standpoint when they do something nice due to the incongruity.
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« Reply #687 on: 10-05-2006 05:53 »

This is the slightly off topic but still Leela and Fry related:
In A Clone Of My Own, Leela calls Fry a bastard and it was really out of context.
Fry goes "Damnit, we'll have to fix the engine ourself." and then Leela goes "We can't you bastard, no one knows how it works. It's impossible."

That doesn't seem right to me. Fry was possibly being an idiot (even though I don't think that was a particularly dumb remark. It sounds reasonable to me, especailly as it didn't seem like they had another option anyway). But a bastard is not something he was being. A bastard is a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person.

Why would she call him that, especially when he didn't deserve it?

Anyway, to make up for the bit of negativity, he's a cute shippy pic from Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles:

coldangel

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« Reply #688 on: 10-05-2006 06:25 »

I dunno. I think she was just freaking out. I didn't think much of it at the time - I call most of my friends bastards and worse. It's all in good humour, you scumbag.  big grin
PCC Fred

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« Reply #689 on: 10-05-2006 06:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
This is the slightly off topic but still Leela and Fry related:
In A Clone Of My Own, Leela calls Fry a bastard and it was really out of context.
Fry goes "Damnit, we'll have to fix the engine ourself." and then Leela goes "We can't you bastard, no one knows how it works. It's impossible."

I think it's just Fry and Leela swearing for the sake of swearing, after Bender yells "Young people use curse words!" when he's trying to shock the Professor awake.
Cyberphobia

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« Reply #690 on: 10-05-2006 06:45 »

Yeah maybe it's normal for guys to do that but generally, girls don't. Plus Leela seems to be a reasonably moral person, always sticking to the rules and I don't think she's the type to call her friends a name like that. It doesn't go with Leela's personality and I think it's strange that the writters put that line in.
Cyberphobia

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« Reply #691 on: 10-05-2006 06:50 »
« Last Edit on: 10-05-2006 06:50 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
 I think it's just Fry and Leela swearing for the sake of swearing, after Bender yells "Young people use curse words!" when he's trying to shock the Professor awake.

Oh yeah that's a good point about Bender's comment.

Edit: Opps! Sorry for double posting!
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« Reply #692 on: 10-05-2006 07:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
Yeah maybe it's normal for guys to do that but generally, girls don't. Plus Leela seems to be a reasonably moral person, always sticking to the rules and I don't think she's the type to call her friends a name like that. It doesn't go with Leela's personality and I think it's strange that the writters put that line in.

Yes, girls don't, but remember, Leela doesn't stand for the traditional girl image. After all, she's pure utilitarian, four to five times as strong as your normal guy and gets drunk on purpose.

@coldangel_1: I particularly like that last pic you posted, the one of Leela carrying Fry. Not that I think that'll actually happen a lot... You know, maybe once or twice, but I think deep down, Leela wants to be treated like a... You know, like a guy should treat a girl. She's just looking for the right guy to trust. (Did that make any sense?)

Oh yes, and two more things... One: The Next Shippy Art Contest starts at the end of this month. All submissions are to be made in this thread, nothing super-large, no PNGs, you know the drill.

Two: Eek! This the first thread of mine ever to reach this far! I'm gonna have to re-link my signature soon... Anyway... Any ideas for the next thread's title?





And now I'm about to make another 'Shiny-disappeared' comment just so she'll come back and prove me wrong...  wink

fryandlemon

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« Reply #693 on: 10-05-2006 11:11 »

There's a shippy art contest?  Ooh!  Yay, more shippy art!

Here are my submissions(how many can i have?):


LuvFry

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« Reply #694 on: 10-05-2006 11:31 »

Tim B, you make a good point... don't worry, I never considered your disagreeing with me as discounting my opinion. In many respects you are right, heck, you may be all right. smile
KitKatBar-Fry

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« Reply #695 on: 10-05-2006 19:44 »

Swish! A shippy art contest at the end of the month! Oh, boy, how I crave for October to be over now.  wink
An idea for the title? How about: You've seen all the shippy, now let's watch it again! And again! -Shippy thread.
Hehehehe, that name sucks ass. xD. I'm just trying to participate.
fryandlemon

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« Reply #696 on: 10-05-2006 19:51 »

We have too wait until october?!  Aw, darn, sorry posted too soon.  I see the words shippy art and I get excited!  tongue
Xanfor

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« Reply #697 on: 10-05-2006 21:54 »

No, you post your submissions in this thread anytime you want, and every three months the contest thread is opened under 'Fanart', with your art in it. Here's my submission...



Any number of submissions per person is fine, but be reasonable. Try to aim for fifty or less.  wink

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« Reply #698 on: 10-05-2006 23:53 »

    Quote
    Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
    ... In A Clone Of My Own, Leela calls Fry a bastard and it was really out of context.
    Fry goes "Damnit, we'll have to fix the engine ourself." and then Leela goes "We can't you bastard, no one knows how it works. It's impossible." That doesn't seem right to me… Why would she call him that, especially when he didn't deserve it?
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    Originally posted by PCC Fred:
    I think it's just Fry and Leela swearing for the sake of swearing...
    Quote
    Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
    Yeah maybe it's normal for guys to do that but generally, girls don't. Plus Leela seems to be a reasonably moral person, always sticking to the rules and I don't think she's the type to call her friends a name like that. It doesn't go with Leela's personality and I think it's strange that the writters put that line in.
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    Originally posted by Xanfor:
    Yes, girls don't, but remember, Leela doesn't stand for the traditional girl image. After all, she's pure utilitarian, four to five times as strong as your normal guy and gets drunk on purpose.
    • Chalk it up to anger and frustration.
    • Make anyone, angry or frustrated enough, and they’ll swear like a sailor.
    • Being in a life-threatening situation can make one say or do things one otherwise would not.
    HopelessShipper

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    « Reply #699 on: 10-06-2006 00:08 »
    « Last Edit on: 10-06-2006 00:08 »

     
    Quote
    Originally posted by Xanfor:
     Yes, girls don't, but remember, Leela doesn't stand for the traditional girl image. After all, she's pure utilitarian, four to five times as strong as your normal guy and gets drunk on purpose.


    Any attempts to measure Leela against what is the "girlie" will prove most futile. This is a discussion that has been had several times already, Leela is far to, hum... self important(?) to degrade herself to something that she sees as weak.

     
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    Originally posted by Xanfor:
    Any ideas for the next thread's title?

    Hi, I'm a shipper and I've watched "The Sting" 58 times...

     
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    Originally posted by Xanfor:
    And now I'm about to make another 'Shiny-disappeared' comment just so she'll come back and prove me wrong...    wink

    Where has Shiny gotten to indeed. I'm sure there are one or two posts she wouldn't mind putting the bitch slap on.    wink

    (Ah, I missed Space's posts so much...)
    Tastes Like Fry

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    « Reply #700 on: 10-06-2006 00:35 »
    « Last Edit on: 10-06-2006 00:35 »

     
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    Originally posted by Xanfor:
    Any ideas for the next thread's title?

    Cause when we're together in here, baby, the shippers will rejoice.
    coldangel

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    « Reply #701 on: 10-06-2006 01:21 »

    A shippy art comp, eh? Okay... can I enter more than once?
    PCC Fred

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    « Reply #702 on: 10-06-2006 06:08 »
    « Last Edit on: 10-06-2006 06:08 »

    @Spacecase:

     
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    Culled from TLZ's episode transcript
    Bender: (shouting) Your social security cheque is late! Stuff costs more than it used to! Young people use curse words!

    Fry: Damnit, we'll have to fix the engine ourself.

    Leela: We can't, you bastard! No one knows how it works. It's impossible!


    See?  The very first word following Bender's curse word comment is Fry cursing!  I still think it's a subtle joke on the part of the writers.

    Shippiest episode IMO is "The Why of Fry".  To be honest I've never found "The Sting" to be that shippy, except for the ending.  It's too surreal. *Prepares for stoning.*

    As for Fry making a grand gesture to save Leela's life, what about giving her his oxygen in "Love & Rocket"?
    coldangel

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    « Reply #703 on: 10-06-2006 06:50 »
    « Last Edit on: 10-06-2006 06:50 by coldangel_1 »

    *gasp*
    The Sting not shippy? My God... the whole episode was Leela obsessing over Fry and wanting to be with him and him being her reason for living and...and and...and....
    *explodes*
    Xanfor

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    « Reply #704 on: 10-06-2006 08:20 »



    LuvFry

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    « Reply #705 on: 10-06-2006 10:03 »
    « Last Edit on: 10-06-2006 10:03 »

    The Sting is VERY shippy! It's the Leela/Fry relationship from Leela's perspective (which we don't get very often)The coma gives her a chance to examine what exactly she feels for Fry: you think it just guilt? Check the deleted scenes for this ep and watch Leela's body language when Fry reconfigures on the couch...that's not guilt my friend...have you forgotten the hug at the end of the ep? AHHHH!!!

    I agree that Love and Rocket is very shippy... I was swooning for the rest of the night after I saw it... I literally cried.

    I'm such a girl!   love
    coldangel

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    « Reply #706 on: 10-06-2006 11:53 »
    « Last Edit on: 10-06-2006 11:53 by coldangel_1 »

    When the screen goes blank at the end of 'The Sting', and Leela says "You could really use a shower", and Fry responds "Yeah, you too," or whatever, I immediately had a mental image that the two of them intended to shower together.

    This is because I'm a perverted freak who should be whipped.
    SpaceCase

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    « Reply #707 on: 10-06-2006 12:57 »

     
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    Originally posted by coldangel_1:
    *gasp*
    The Sting not shippy? My God... the whole episode was Leela obsessing over Fry and wanting to be with him and him being her reason for living and...and and...and....
    *explodes*
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    Originally posted by Xanfor:
    [Atomic detonation image]
    [Points]
    I am not cleanin' up that mess!  laff
    Quote
    Originally posted by PCC Fred:
    See? The very first word following Bender's curse word comment is Fry cursing! I still think it's a subtle joke on the part of the writers.
    You say it’s a gag, I say it’s anger and frustration with the life-threatening situation they find themselves in.
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    As for Fry making a grand gesture to save Leela's life, what about giving her his oxygen in "Love & Rocket"?
    What about it? It was a grand gesture - Just like re-arranging the stars in TKoS. The difference is that Leela knew Fry gave her the last of his air. 
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    Shippiest episode IMO is "The Why of Fry".  To be honest I've never found "The Sting" to be that shippy, except for the ending.  It's too surreal. *Prepares for stoning.*
    You’re entitled to your opinion, and I respect this.
    Oh, here you might want to hold this.

    [Hands Fred a large square of paper]

    Never mind the concentric red circles, they’re just for, uh... decoration!  big grin
    Yeah, that’s it.

    [Runs]
     wink
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    « Reply #708 on: 10-06-2006 14:46 »

    The Why Of Fry is the first episode where Leela kissed Fry for Fry. Also The Sting is one of the most Shippy episodes ever.
    kenos_1000

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    « Reply #709 on: 10-06-2006 17:54 »

    I quite agree. It's one of my favorite episodes, too. It really shows that Leela thinks about Fry even she is asleep, and that he is a reason for her to go on in life.
    PCC Fred

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    « Reply #710 on: 10-06-2006 18:17 »

    Let me rephrase what I said earlier*.

    "The Sting" has shippy moments, it's just that to me, most of them get swamped in the surrealism of the episode.

    @Spacecase - Thanks!  It's a lovely sheet of paper!  And the concentric red circles remind me of that old British quiz show, the one with the darts... what was it called?

    BLAM!  BLAM!  BLAM!

    Ow...

    *Translation: Upon reflection, what I wrote earlier was total BS and I feel like a complete eel.
    MrBlonde

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    « Reply #711 on: 10-06-2006 19:07 »

    Back to the shippiness.
    fryandlemon

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    « Reply #712 on: 10-06-2006 19:13 »

     
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    When the screen goes blank at the end of 'The Sting', and Leela says "You could really use a shower", and Fry responds "Yeah, you too," or whatever, I immediately had a mental image that the two of them intended to shower together.

    Haha, nice...


    And a pic:
    When Fry first meets Leela

    MrBlonde

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    « Reply #713 on: 10-06-2006 19:18 »

    That's the first time Fry checked out Leela. I know state the obvious.
    Shiny

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    « Reply #714 on: 10-07-2006 00:03 »

    Hi!  I'm not disappeared.  I'm just tired from three & a half weeks of overtime because of this !@#&*$! database conversion at work...I've been lurking a bit but had no time to respond in any meaty way, and (vegetarians, please avert your eyes) a post without meat is like a sandwich without...um, meat.

    Too tired to bitch-slap as yet, though I do have one little rubber band to shoot at something....

     
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    originally Cyberphobia, but a surprising number of people agreed:

    ...girls don't...

    Yes they do, you bastard!   laff


    Seriously, yes we do.  Just get us in a situation we feel safe to be ourselves in (assuming we haven't been so rigidly trained that we don't know how to be ourselves) and we do indeed.

    And I put Leela's "bastard" in the same category as all the "unmotivated slapping" that goes on in Futurama, as mentioned in one of the commentaries...it's funny because it comes out of nowhere, for no real reason.  Even stress and fear seem insufficient for that particular usage, which is not in Leela's verbal style at all - it just pops out of the Sequitur-Free Zone, waves a quick "hello," and bamfs away again.  It's priceless.

    Those who worry about Fry's feelings should note that Fry doesn't blink an eye at it nor seem hurt in any way.  He's being unusually, um, forceful in that scene, as well...it's almost like the two of them are putting on an ACT of anger because they think it's expected in that situation.  Or maybe they hope it will cause the Professor to wake up to complain about all the noise while he's trying to sleep....   tongue
    coldangel

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    « Reply #715 on: 10-07-2006 02:00 »
    « Last Edit on: 10-07-2006 02:00 by coldangel_1 »

     
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    Originally posted by Shiny:
    it just pops out of the Sequitur-Free Zone, waves a quick "hello," and bamfs away again.  It's priceless.

    Much kudos for use of the sound effect 'bamf'. Methinks I have found a fan of X-Men comics, as this is the sound Nightcrawler makes when he teleports. Or perhaps this is a random coincidence.
    *head spins*

    One of the earliest noteworty moments of unabashed shippiness for me was in War is the H-Word. Fry confesses to having a crush on Leela, not that much of a surprise... but that's not the best part - Leela (incognito) responds with "Awwww!" like she's touched by it. THAT is the shippy part there.
    Shiny

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    « Reply #716 on: 10-07-2006 03:30 »

    It's not a coincidence, but I've only read the occasional X-men comic...I've only read the occasional comic, period.  I never managed to keep up with any comic storyline for very long.  I did always rather like Nightcrawler when I ran into him, though, and I used "bamf" knowledgeably, but I've also run across the word used as a generic sound effect somewhere.

    And yeah, I like "War" for that, too...also the "meaningful closeup of hand-holding" that inspires Zapp's jealousy...  big grin
    coldangel

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    « Reply #717 on: 10-07-2006 05:21 »

    Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Heh, Zapp thought he was turning gay. lol

    Oh yeah - Shippy Leela quote from the Futurama video game:
    "Yeah, Fry's great, and we all love him."
    fryandlemon

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    « Reply #718 on: 10-07-2006 13:40 »

    Hehe, War is in the H-Word, Fry+Lee Lemon tongue

    I have an icon for the hand holding scene in "War," but I didn't make it.  Would I still be allowed to post it if I couldn't give credit to the maker?
    coldangel

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    « Reply #719 on: 10-08-2006 07:17 »

    Credit it to 'The Unknown Soldier'.
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