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davierocks

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« Reply #320 on: 07-17-2004 02:48 »

fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #321 on: 07-17-2004 02:52 »

Thanks davierock, but I have another question.

TheLampIncident

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« Reply #322 on: 07-17-2004 03:14 »

Basically, what I got as an impression from that deleted scene is it's more of that Farnsworth Parabox style begging for a date. You know that "PLEEZE GO OUT WIT MI LEELA U R TEH ONLIE 1 4 MEE LOL!!!" type stuff that annoys me so much. Nothing new.
M0le

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« Reply #323 on: 07-17-2004 03:16 »

Here are all four deleted scenes from TDHAIP on my DVD.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #324 on: 07-17-2004 03:21 »

That is amazing, Thanks Mole, but why didn't Matt and David put that scene in instead?  Maybe they felt Futurama would return and decided to cut that for it would make fans think it really was the end?  Is there reason why that was cut out?
DotheBartman

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« Reply #325 on: 07-17-2004 04:42 »

I don't have the dvd yet so I don't know if they say anything about it on the commentary, but here's a couple theories one could concoct:

1.  It removes from the "mystery" of the ending.  One of the beauties of the ending was that its sort of a "imagine the ending" kind of thing where you just sort of pick the ending yourself.  Do they get together?  They let you decide for yourself.  But that scene does specifically imply that they go on a date right afterwards, leaving slightly less mystery.

2.  The rest of the plot seems less urgent with Leela's attitude.  Fry flatly states that he's going to ask her out, and she says  "that sounds nice".  We're supposed to see that she's warming up to Fry (and by the end may or may not finally be in love with him after all), but Leela's response there specifically implies that she's basically already fallen for him already.
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #326 on: 07-17-2004 06:52 »
« Last Edit on: 07-17-2004 06:52 »

On the other hand, it's the first time Fry doesn't look incredibly pitiful while asking Leela out.

I'm still glad it was cut, for above reasons.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #327 on: 07-18-2004 01:04 »

I guess it sort of makes the last scene more touching since, we still wonder if they will get together.  The deleted scene would've ruined the surprise for all of us.
Rhodan

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« Reply #328 on: 07-18-2004 09:18 »
« Last Edit on: 07-18-2004 09:18 »

Our "big anniversary" is very close and I would like to bring my two cents on the finale:
-the beginning was sort of hard telling,jokes from lessons to robot hell felt little "disconected" and jokes were kinda forced yet funny at the same time. Also Benderīs attempt to deal with robot devil was something too sudden (well no for us, since we allready knew the plot, but still.)
-After there are simply scene with RD wanting his hands back and clips about Fry being famous, still disconnected.It ends with Hedonismbot scene which contained infamous "Me, realy?" line.
-Episode is somehow better from this moment but there are too much empty moments with potentionel for some secondary characters like Kif or Leelaīs parents.
-Ending was probably the best decision.
4/5     
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #329 on: 07-18-2004 16:16 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I guess it sort of makes the last scene more touching since, we still wonder if they will get together.  The deleted scene would've ruined the surprise for all of us.

Good, I'm glad someone else is starting to get it at last.  smile
hypknowtoad

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« Reply #330 on: 07-30-2004 10:16 »

Pardon again, not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but I was watching this again and I am pretty sure the voice on the phone when Zoidberg calls to order Fry's Greatest Hits (Two records!) is David X. Cohen. All he says is hello, but if you listen closely (and if you know his voice from the commentaries) you'll know it's him.

I feel better getting this off my chest

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leelaholic

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« Reply #331 on: 08-27-2004 18:30 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2004 18:30 »

*Bumped for DVD release*

When I first saw this, I was hardly impressed. However, after another viewing since (plus a few more after getting the DVD), I've completely changed my opinion. I guess I just didn't appreciate it the first time. The pacing seemed too fast, and the whole experience felt like there was too much plot in too little time. Another viewing let me enjoy it quite a bit more.

The plot is extremely clever, and the opera is one of the greatest scenes ever. I mean, it had brilliant lyrics, great humor, people in (hilariously) crappy robot costumes, and Leela in a sexy opera dress. Mmm.

One particular bit from the opera was running through my head all day today...

Destiny has cheated me
by forcing me to decide upon
the woman that I idolize
or the hands of of an automaton.
Without these hands I can't complete
the opera that was captivating her.
But if I keep them, and she marries him.
Than he probably won't want me dating her


Another thing I really like about it is how the ending really left things open. It left you to guess what happened to the characters, which was IMO the perfect way to end the show.

Grade: A+
Shadowstar

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« Reply #332 on: 08-27-2004 20:19 »

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WOW
How did you go from utterly hating it, and shoving the 'F' grade down our throats every chance you got, and now you think it's clever and deserving of an 'A+'? That isn't humanly possible!
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #333 on: 08-27-2004 20:47 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2004 20:47 »

You know another thing about that deleted scene from TDHAIPT is that it fits perfectly well with my fanfic, Michelle Strikes Back: Ep I, Leela vs. Michelle, which I wrote one year ago.  That fanfic is set the day after the final episode and it features Fry and Leela going out on the date that Fry "would ask" Leela after the opera show.

The reason for mentioning it is that I'm glad my story connects with the show.  I like my regular Futurama fanfics to be connected and thanks to this deleted scene, I feel Michelle Strikes  Back fits even more with the show.

Also, I'm just coming off from watching TWIF's commentary where DXC explains how that episode connects with previous Futurama episodes that he mentions in the commentary.

thank you Matt and David for leaving that scene out.
Astral Runner

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« Reply #334 on: 08-27-2004 21:21 »

I jsut saw it yesterday on CN. Great end, blah blah  A+ et cetera et cetera et cetera.

Besides all that, is it just me or is Leela's singing line about her "wymsical gender" an extrodinarily out-of-character remark?

But, I suppose, when you're trying to ad-lib a ryming opera with NO previous musical training besides drums, you just have to go with the flow, even if a few things don't quite come out right.

Another thing, I was wondering why Leela even had to go to Beezlebot to regain her hearing, with the advanced medical technology avalible to them. But when you consider that Leela is working a below minimum wage job, and is severly, severly in debt to her employer from a shipment of popcorn she destroyed, she probably has no real hope of ever being able to afford having her ears repaired. Unless Fry uses his newly aquired money for that.

Jsut over-analysing things out load.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #335 on: 08-27-2004 21:27 »

I'm so happy that i got the Season4 DVD. Now i can relive great episodes like The Devil's Hands and The Sting.

Makes me love it even more.
DrJohnZ

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« Reply #336 on: 08-27-2004 21:43 »

after getting the DVDs I watched the deleted scenes of this episode.
they shoulod have kept the longer version when Leela and Fry were on the PE balcony
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #337 on: 08-27-2004 22:32 »

 
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Besides all that, is it just me or is Leela's singing line about her "wymsical gender" an extrodinarily out-of-character remark?

Yes, it is, but it's a fairly typical line for a opera/old school musical... which is why I find it so amusing.  smile
leelaholic

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« Reply #338 on: 08-27-2004 22:47 »

 
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Originally posted by DrJohnZ:
after getting the DVDs I watched the deleted scenes of this episode.
they shoulod have kept the longer version when Leela and Fry were on the PE balcony
I disagree. If they left that in, it would have told you what happened after the opera. Like I said, it's best that it ended with us not knowing what happens next.
Squeaky

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« Reply #339 on: 08-27-2004 22:59 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2004 22:59 »

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Originally posted by Astral Runner:

Another thing, I was wondering why Leela even had to go to Beezlebot to regain her hearing, with the advanced medical technology avalible to them. But when you consider that Leela is working a below minimum wage job, and is severly, severly in debt to her employer from a shipment of popcorn she destroyed, she probably has no real hope of ever being able to afford having her ears repaired. Unless Fry uses his newly aquired money for that.
[QOUTE]

Yea, she probably could have gotten her hearing with modern science... but it would taking away from the Irony of the whole episode.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #340 on: 08-28-2004 09:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Shadowstar:
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WOW
How did you go from utterly hating it, and shoving the 'F' grade down our throats every chance you got, and now you think it's clever and deserving of an 'A+'? That isn't humanly possible!

 Agreed. I think leelaholic is a shameless turncoat and I will never, ever trust his opinion again.  no no
DrJohnZ

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« Reply #341 on: 08-28-2004 10:12 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
 
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Originally posted by DrJohnZ:
after getting the DVDs I watched the deleted scenes of this episode.
they shoulod have kept the longer version when Leela and Fry were on the PE balcony
I disagree. If they left that in, it would have told you what happened after the opera. Like I said, it's best that it ended with us not knowing what happens next.

and I disagree with that  tongue if it was the final episode, it would have been nice to know what happened to the two of them.
But D.Cohen did say they wern't completely sure if it would be the last episode.
Oh well, (I said it before and I'll say it again many times) Here's to hoping Groaning will save the show... in some miraculous way.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #342 on: 08-28-2004 10:35 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
  Agreed. I think leelaholic is a shameless turncoat and I will never, ever trust his opinion again.   no no


Maybe next he'll be slating the Simpsons and giving every episode in season 16 an F when everyone else here that have been very critical are giving the episodes A+.

niggle-snoosh

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« Reply #343 on: 08-28-2004 10:41 »
« Last Edit on: 08-28-2004 10:41 »

I don't actually think the deleted scene does indicate that they would be going out after the opera for sure for the following reasons;

* when she touches his hands she recoils, and although Fry doesn't take a lot of notice of this, it screams harbinger of doom.

* Leela starts to see past Fry's Fryishness because of his artistic soul coming forth. This is her realisation before the deleted scene. fry loses ths somewhat when the devils hands are ironically returned ( no no don't even correct me, because I know). The events that occur through out the rest of the ep. where Leela really starts to come around are better indicators of a possible post opera date IMO.

And...I had more, but I forget, so you go. 
Mystery_Meat

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« Reply #344 on: 10-18-2004 14:16 »

Question: I know they mention it in the DVD commentaries, but my DVDs are in one place and my high-speed internet connection is in another, and this might be my last chance to, uh, "obtain" this. Anyway, the song Fry was playing while Leela was working on the ship -- what was it? I want to Kazaa it while I can.
Venus

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« Reply #345 on: 10-18-2004 18:24 »

i'm thinking it was an original piece by Ting. but if it's not i would love to 'aquire' it as well. It was gorgeous beyond all comprehension.
ShortRoundMcfly

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« Reply #346 on: 10-19-2004 22:13 »

This has been asked before. The notes he was writing after he played it where from a Beetoven piece. So it's most likley from that piece. Not a Christopher Ting original.
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #347 on: 10-19-2004 22:21 »

The tune is a Tyng original, but the music he writes down isn't. Capiche?
CryptoN

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« Reply #348 on: 03-13-2005 16:29 »

The music was great at the end...

Anyone who know what kind of music it is?
ShortRoundMcfly

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« Reply #349 on: 03-13-2005 17:01 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
On the other hand, it's the first time Fry doesn't look incredibly pitiful while asking Leela out.

I'm still glad it was cut, for above reasons.

I'm glad it was cut too, Fry seemed unnaturally charming.

Gopher

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« Reply #350 on: 02-04-2007 11:37 »

Super-bump powers, activate!

A quote from this ep PazuzuJr used in the cryptogram made me notice something I'd never caught before.

Fry's holophoner album is advertised as having "nine hundred classic themes" and then boasts this as "over 30 minutes of music." 900 themes in 30 minutes averages out to only 2 seconds each. I assume this was a deliberate joke, because, well, I've come to expect that kind of thing from the writers at Futurama.
PazuzuJr

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« Reply #351 on: 02-04-2007 15:40 »

i thought that when i first watched the ep and was very confused by it  tongue lol. I guess it also goes to show how much of a rip off the CD was.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #352 on: 02-04-2007 16:51 »
« Last Edit on: 02-04-2007 16:51 »

Plus there's the question of why you would need two dics for only 30 minutes of music.   wink
Gopher

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« Reply #353 on: 02-04-2007 18:21 »

Yeah, you'd think things have advanced since the days of Harold Zoid and the silent holomovies; those things used huge disks though, so the new ones might still be bulky and low-capacity.
JustNibblin

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« Reply #354 on: 07-01-2007 10:04 »

*bump* crash.

This seemed the best thread to ask this.  In the "hidden" table reading on the DVD there are several scenes/lines that are neither in the final script or in the deleted DVD scenes.  For example, there are extra scenes in the opera involving "Bohemian Rhaspody" and the Robot Mafia.  Unfortunately, my DVD player cannot skip back and forth through this audio section.

Has anyone less lazy than me actually transcribed or transfered the audio to WAV format?  Thanks.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #355 on: 08-10-2007 19:56 »

Four years ago today, this episode aired on FOX and considered as the last episode on Futurama.  4 years later Futurama is coming back to DVD, but this date brings back memories.
Xanfor

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« Reply #356 on: 08-10-2007 23:43 »

See you on some other channel!
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #357 on: 08-11-2007 17:45 »

Four years ago, it seemed like Futurama was gone forever and never coming back!  And now, four years later, it's coming to DVD this November with all new adventures!  Since "See You On Some Other Channel" was the last caption, what should the opening caption be for the first movie?
SpaceCase

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« Reply #358 on: 08-11-2007 18:09 »

 
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Originally posted by KurtPikachu2001:
Four years ago, it seemed like Futurama was gone forever and never coming back!  And now, four years later, it's coming to DVD this November with all new adventures!  Since "See You On Some Other Channel" was the last caption, what should the opening caption be for the first movie?
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« Reply #359 on: 08-11-2007 18:49 »

This IS arguably the best episode of futurama. It certainly ranks near No 1 for me personally. Probably my actual favourite is 'The Sting' that being said I havent intently viewed all of Se3 ( dvd )  intently. Fry clearly EVOLVES as a character ( a person ) is you take him to be real! in this episode, along with ' the sting' and 'three hundred big boys' where he has his caffeine induced enlightenment! anyone how has had a drug induced 'cosmic experience' will totally get this one!
'The why of Fry' is another one where it goes deeper into the depths of fry...yeh I used to think he was just a total waster. these episodes definetly take him beyond this.
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