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PEE Poll: Rating
1/10 (horrible)   -2 (1.8%)
2/10   -0 (0%)
3/10   -1 (0.9%)
4/10   -7 (6.3%)
5/10   -9 (8.1%)
6/10   -20 (18%)
7/10   -19 (17.1%)
8/10   -30 (27%)
9/10   -10 (9%)
10/10 (excellent)   -13 (11.7%)
Total Voters: 111

Dorsal Axe

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« Reply #80 on: 07-15-2011 22:12 »
« Last Edit on: 07-15-2011 22:29 »

Some observations:
  • There's some really awesome music for the shots of Planet Express. It's nice to hear something new.
  • The Battery Park court interior is exactly the same as the Superior Gort  hmpf
  • Loving the irony of the EBI having a (hat-shaped) UFO-style ship.
  • Lasers are back
futz
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« Reply #81 on: 07-15-2011 22:37 »

I liked it. Liked it better the 2nd time I watched it. It might be more like vintage episode that gets more watchable the more you see it. I might have rated it higher except as others have mentioned the cord snip scene and some odds and ends, like Bella's singing career, sort of seemed thrown in for no particular reason. Although, I did like the baby bot with his little oil can, also the meatballs were good.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #82 on: 07-15-2011 22:51 »

There's little to like about this episode after the first act, but if one thing bit me more than Clamps being unsurprisingly boring given more than five lines, it was his fight Vs. Zoidberg. I find that fights in comedies that are played for any amount of undeserved tension are boring and unfunny. The Silence of the Clamps fight certainly fit my criterion. I want these characters to be funny, not attempt to be "badass". There's nothing badass about Dr. Zoidberg (he's funny cause he's pathetic) and Clamps is funny when we only see the stereotypical, movie-parodying mobster side of him (one-liners). This fight was played too straight compared to previous fights in Futurama that were played for laughs far better (Zoidberg Vs. Fry, Zoidberg Vs. Bender). The one Futurama fight that was played for tension had better reason and better jokes (Fry Vs. The Lord Mayor of Colon) than Zoidberg Vs. Clamps.

The courtroom scene suffered as well, since once we heard the new judge say he would back down to the Donbot, there wasn't much reason to continue the scene, since Bender obviously already lost (or at least should have if the writers didn't need to a false victory for the prosecution for the joke with Calculon (which admittingly had great line delivery by Maurice Lamarche)).

I'm also not much for Fry acting like a child during his montage with Clamps. His line "Do you want to come over and play" made me want to barf. Dude is in his early thirties and should not be that childish, even with his brain thing.

I did like a lot of Billy West's lines (the blahblahblah, not the blahblahblah), even if it was obvious early on that he's not Bender.

The whole ending at the Family Bros. Pizzeria was solid, especially Bender's terrible disguise.

I do hope Eric Rogers improves, because his Bender segment in AOI 1 was superior to this episode, with 1/3 the runtime. I'll call this episode his practice run and wish him better luck (well, better writing) on his next run, for all our sakes.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #83 on: 07-15-2011 22:54 »

I'm also not much for Fry acting like a child during his montage with Clamps. His line "Do you want to come over and play" made me want to barf. Dude is in his early thirties and should not be that childish, even with his brain thing.

Are you retarded? That is the Delta Brainwave, or as you put it, 'brain thing'. Fry has always acted like this...
MightyBooshFan91

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« Reply #84 on: 07-15-2011 22:59 »

I'm also not much for Fry acting like a child during his montage with Clamps. His line "Do you want to come over and play" made me want to barf. Dude is in his early thirties and should not be that childish, even with his brain thing.

Are you retarded? That is the Delta Brainwave, or as you put it, 'brain thing'. Fry has always acted like this...
No he hasn't, he's acted stupid, not like a 6 year old
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« Reply #85 on: 07-15-2011 23:00 »

He acts childish too. He plays with Lego. He draws comics. He was forced to ride a Scooty Puff Jr.
Mongo

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« Reply #86 on: 07-15-2011 23:33 »
« Last Edit on: 07-15-2011 23:36 »

I don't believe nostalgia goggles exist, (and I don't really understand the term, old stuff is funny, new stuff not so much...what's nostalgic about that?)

The basic idea about "nostalgia goggles" is that the old episodes are all at least eight years old, and over that time have generally been watched and re-watched dozens of times (or if not watched that many times, have at least been discussed over and over until they have been virtually memorized).  At a result, they have been gradually elevated in emotional significance, so slowly that the change has been imperceptible on a month-to-month basis and hence unnoticed, and are now on a fairly high pedestal.

The new episodes have not yet been through that process of emotional investment, and as a result are considered by many here as being inferior to the old episodes.  They simply cannot compete with the iconic, greatly revered, and sacrosanct original run of episodes, regardless of their actual intrinsic quality.
Gopher

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« Reply #87 on: 07-15-2011 23:36 »

yeah, it has nothing to do with this episode not being as strong as the others this season. That's why this ep's poll averages ~7, with quite a few <5 votes, while law and oracle's poll puts it at about an 8.5 average, with not a single vote below 5.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #88 on: 07-15-2011 23:37 »

He acts childish too. He plays with Lego. He draws comics. He was forced to ride a Scooty Puff Jr.

Many adults play with their kids lego's or just have them around as a form of stress relief, some adults are paid to draw comics, and the Scooty Puff Jr. thing is a joke about everyone perceiving Fry to not be a manly man (also joked about in Law and Oracle). None of these things detracted from Fry being an adult, merely joked about how mature of one he is. The line that I have a minor beef with just shows him as a child, which is a bit much for me.
Mongo

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« Reply #89 on: 07-15-2011 23:39 »

Lego is cool.  That's all I have to say about that.
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« Reply #90 on: 07-15-2011 23:44 »

That was a good ep! Love seeing Bender's and the Crushnator love child
Gorky

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« Reply #91 on: 07-15-2011 23:44 »

He acts childish too. He plays with Lego. He draws comics. He was forced to ride a Scooty Puff Jr.

Many adults play with their kids lego's or just have them around as a form of stress relief, some adults are paid to draw comics, and the Scooty Puff Jr. thing is a joke about everyone perceiving Fry to not be a manly man (also joked about in Law and Oracle). None of these things detracted from Fry being an adult, merely joked about how mature of one he is. The line that I have a minor beef with just shows him as a child, which is a bit much for me.

You know, not to blame Eric Rogers entirely for the Fry-as-baby characterization, but he was kind of childish in the AOI 1 segment that Rogers wrote. That may just be how the guy writes Fry.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #92 on: 07-15-2011 23:46 »
« Last Edit on: 07-15-2011 23:50 »

Lego is cool.  That's all I have to say about that.

Yes, it is.

You know, not to blame Eric Rogers entirely for the Fry-as-baby characterization, but he was kind of childish in the AOI 1 segment that Rogers wrote. That may just be how the guy writes Fry.

Good point. I forgot that (despite referencing it as a superior Rogers "episode"). It didn't bother me there since it was an AOI, so exaggerating character personalities and traits is par the course for them. It's a little more annoying when Fry acts as such in regular continuity.
David A

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« Reply #93 on: 07-16-2011 00:10 »

Many adults play with their kids lego's

I suspect that many adults buy their kids Legos just so that they can play with them.
Huwbutts
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« Reply #94 on: 07-16-2011 00:17 »

Wow, really not a great episode - and the last few have been so funny! And what was with all the effing?! Not impressed.
LorenzoDuke

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« Reply #95 on: 07-16-2011 00:56 »

Quote from: Mongo link=topic=21308.msg1219952#msg1219952
The new episodes have not yet been through that process of emotional investment, and as a result are considered by many here as being inferior to the old episodes.  They simply cannot compete with the iconic, greatly revered, and sacrosanct original run of episodes, regardless of their actual intrinsic quality.

I disagree, and to be honest find that to be a poor excuse. From what I recall, fans didn't take much time or repeated viewings to love 'The Luck Of The Fryrish', 'The Devil's Hands...' or 'Jurassic Bark' for example, nor did they take time to recognize the flaws of occasional disappointments like 'That's Lobstertainment' or 'The Honking'.

The original run - or at least say, about 80% of it, I personally could not wait to watch again, first upon airing, then multiple times taped off TV, then bought on DVD, etc. But like a bad or uninteresting song, with maybe a couple of exceptions I have no desire to give the new episodes repeated viewings. It would take a conscious, forced effort to watch them again and attempt to find the good in them - and that for me is the difference between the original run and the current.

The original run (again, for the most part) didn't take effort to enjoy. The emotional attachment both to the stories and the character portrayals were effortless and immediate, and repeat viewings were something to look forward to.

Bringing it back to this episode, I'm surprised to see so many disliked the court scene. Yes, its a scenario we've seen a few times too often, but I thought it had its moments. (Can't believe it took 4 or so appearances to use "Your honor, the prosecution roosts")
Gorky

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« Reply #96 on: 07-16-2011 01:03 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2011 01:04 »

To be fair, I got the same instant-classic vibe from "Lethal Inspection," "The Late Philip J. Fry," and "The Prisoner of Benda" that I got from, say, "The Sting" or Devil's Hands. I think my problem with season six so far is that the ratio of hits to misses is not the same as it was in the original run. Just on an episode-by-episode basis, yes, season four is more enjoyable to me than season six has been so far. But I don't hate the new episodes, nor do I see a pronounced decline in overall quality. The highs last season were really high, and the lows were really low--and the majority of episodes were average to good. That's not a horrible track record, it's just not as impressive as the track record for the first four seasons. I think a lot of this is still just a matter of relativity, at least for me.

And whatever. It's impossible for any series to sustain such a high level of quality (like what we saw in the first four seasons of Futurama), and I still think season six has some gems that can rival the best of the best episodes of the original run.

And my problem with the courtroom scene was that it simply went on for two long without being uproariously funny. Seeing Farnsworth on trial in "A Clockwork Origin" was much better in its execution, in my opinion, and I think the two scenes are of comparable length. The scene in "The Silence of the Clamps" just seemed interminable because it wasn't particularly inspired.
winna

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« Reply #97 on: 07-16-2011 01:30 »

The Honking is arguably the best episode of the entire series.  If anyone doesn't like that episode then they get the Clamps!
Erdrik

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« Reply #98 on: 07-16-2011 01:39 »

I didn't like The Honking! And get those clamps outta mah face before Zoidberg snips you, why not?!

Oh, and I liked this episode. Not super awsome, but still good.
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #99 on: 07-16-2011 02:20 »

I have mixed emotions on this episode. I was stupid and missed the previous week's episode and I liked it alright, but then I saw this week's and wasn't as enthused. It wasn't God-awful but there were a few issues I had with it. The jokes weren't funny unless you supplied a courtesy laugh. I felt the cursing was more than excessive and took the show down a few grades. That episode was no better than all the other humdrum animated comedies. Everything I found wrong with this episode has already been deeply discussed so I will end my post here.
SonicPanther

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« Reply #100 on: 07-16-2011 02:38 »

Looking back, some of the jokes I thought were hilarious in this episode were the kind that I usually complain about and don't find funny at all. For example, Fry's line that FistfulOAwesome mentioned stood out as one of my favorite jokes the first time around, but I also hate it when Fry is made out to be more childish than he actually is. That line made me cringe when I saw it quoted and I can't remember what I liked about it. I might have to watch this again and re-rate.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #101 on: 07-16-2011 02:45 »

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the Witness Protection robot was named "Agent Robot Stack" (check the name on his door), ala Robert Stack:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stack
That was a really clever touch I didn't notice initially.

The story in this one wasn't one of the most memorable ever, but it was really solidly written and structured. I was glad that the manic pacing of some of the recent episodes wasn't present; things flowed much more naturally than last week's show in particular. And in general it was quite funny and entertaining. I get that this isn't a "Late Philip J. Fry" or "Prisoner of Benda," but I'm not really sure where all the negativity is coming from. It was a good average or slightly above-average Futurama episode, I'd say.

"John F%$#ing Zoidberg!" is one of my new favorite lines.
You Ungrateful Gargoyle!

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« Reply #102 on: 07-16-2011 02:59 »

Strange, Fry's childlike characterization (intentional, I'm sure) in AOI I aggravated me, but him acting childish here and in Law and Oracle made me laugh and laugh. I guess what we can take from this is that I only disapprove of bad characterization when it's in a genre-bending episode where characterization can be manipulated (cuz i dumb). And let's be honest, Fry's always had moments of childlike behaviour (fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it). He's just so darn cute when he acts like a kid, much like Bender is cute when he acts like a dog.

The swearing also didn't bother me at all. The bleeping did, but I'll take that up with basic cable. What's interesting is that swearing didn't bother me for the exact same reason it seemed to bother a lot of people here - they were mobbing up the dialogue. Joe Pesci, if you've seen Casino/Goodfellas/Raging Bull, swears a little tiny bit. So when there's an animated facsimile of him, the swearing goes a long away to sell the parody. And it sets up the "John f***ing Zoidberg" beautifully. It was there, now it's gone and probably won't come back. If the swearing becomes a regular thing, then I'll take it all back and join the internet-rage.

I thought the episode worked really well. The robot FBI officer was great (I loved the Ipod joke), the jury tampering bit was cute and clever, and the hayseed Billy West had plenty of classic Andy Griffith-style jokes. It's a nice change to have a character who's operating on a whole other style of humor. The one-liners were snappy and in good form (Please Donbot! I'll get you your money as soon as you lend me more!).

It's not an instant classic, but I think it'll hold up well. I was worried about the episode because I find Clamps as irritating as the Joe Pesci characters he's based on, but even a few of his clamp jokes made me smile (Are we ever going to get a Raging Bull parody with him? Did you clamp my wife? Did you?). I give it a 7.5/10, which rounds up to a 8/10. Da naaaaaah.
AdrenalinDragon

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« Reply #103 on: 07-16-2011 04:04 »

This episode is already growing on me and I think it's pretty funny now. Once I started seeing it happen before the other episodes (Production Order) and got the meaning behind the swearing I started to enjoy it more. Only weak part of the whole episode for me now is where hillbilly Bender gets shot. Now bumping up the score from a 7/10 to 8/10 now.
bankrupt

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« Reply #104 on: 07-16-2011 04:41 »

I enjoyed this episode quite a bit.  I got a lot of laughs out of it.  I loved that the Moon Sheriff was a Don Knotts knock off.  The showdown between Zoidberg and Clamps was classic.  Extra points for an appearance by the Smoking Bot!  I gave it a 8/10.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #105 on: 07-16-2011 06:24 »

Loved this episode.  I always wanted to see Clamps meet up with Zoidberg.  I wonder if they'll unbleep the curse words when it's released on DVD?  Futurama is back in its groove with this episode.
coffeeBot

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« Reply #106 on: 07-16-2011 06:34 »

I realize this was a Bender-centric storyline, but Zoidberg absolutely stole the show with his constant and even kind of creepy efforts to stay useful to the crew.
And, of course, John f$*king Zoidberg.

There were a lot of laughs in this one. Not Luck of The Fryrish, but still really enjoyable.

8/10
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #107 on: 07-16-2011 06:37 »

That was a good ep! Love seeing Bender's and the Crushnator love child

you mean Billy's? it was indeed, as they say, cute.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #108 on: 07-16-2011 07:14 »

Okay,
This one definitely felt like an older one to me. I also liked that it had a different feel to it, that it focused just on one or two characters and not the entire planet express crew getting into shenanigans.
There was some pretty good one liners, and some things I LOL'd at. Overall it was good, but I felt like the second half was kinda slow. I found it a bit hard to really stay interested.
Also, the 'Billy West' thing was funny. But Futurama is usually not one to break the fourth wall if you know what I mean. I did find the ending kind of disappointing. "Oh, it wasn't him after all! Oh well..."
Anyway, probably a 7 or 8 on my scale.
Fnord
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« Reply #109 on: 07-16-2011 07:34 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2011 07:35 »

    Some observations:
    • Loving the irony of the EBI having a (hat-shaped) UFO-style ship.
    [/list]

    That's a fedora! The type of hat that Elliot Ness wrote. Of course, in the series The Untouchables, Ness was played by ...

    "Agent Robot Stack" (check the name on his door), ala Robert Stack:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stack

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    Back to the word "bromance" ... I don't believe in a homosexual agenda, but that word makes me wonder.
    winna

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    « Reply #110 on: 07-16-2011 08:48 »

    Maybe if this episode were more like other episodes that aired in the weeks previous to it. hmpf
    flesheatingbull

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    « Reply #111 on: 07-16-2011 09:45 »

    btw, i'd like to give maurice credit for that great tune at the wedding. bravo, sir.
    hobbitboy

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    « Reply #112 on: 07-16-2011 09:47 »

    Over one third of the voters in this poll rated the episode 8 or higher, and I am one of them! Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously… has a different opinion.

    I found myself laughing out loud multiple times, even at some of the more corny jokes, and it didn't occur to me that the bleeped language was even an issue until I read this thread.

    Also do we know that the bleeping wasn't part of the original soundtrack, rather than applied by the broadcaster?

    I liked that the final zoom-in started on the Planet Express building only to have it veer away to the pizza place over the road. And that the pizza actually came from somewhere else, in this case Cosmic Ray's Pizza.

    Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
    winna

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    « Reply #113 on: 07-16-2011 10:13 »

    Yeah, but we knew all along that it was Bender really.  Maybe if they had made it more like classic episodes like The Lesser of Two Evils, we would have been surprised by the outcome.
    i_c_weiner

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    « Reply #114 on: 07-16-2011 13:48 »
    « Last Edit on: 07-16-2011 13:50 »

    Back to the word "bromance" ... I don't believe in a homosexual agenda, but that word makes me wonder.
    "Bromance" isn't supposed to mean anything homosexual. It's a purely platonic relationship. In ye olde days (a few years ago), one's "bromantic interest" would've been called a "best friend", or, in more feminine terms, one's "bff". That being said, I would list a bromance as being even tighter than a best-friendship. And that's tighter emotionally, not physically; the word "bromance" is not supposed to conjure up any sexual tones whatsoever.


    Also do we know that the bleeping wasn't part of the original soundtrack, rather than applied by the broadcaster?
    That was my assumption the entire time.

    So, wait... people actually thought Futurama wrote in and recorded "fuck" and left it unbleeped to be sent to Comedy Central? I mean, Gadda was quite famous for the story in which Comedy Central asked DXC what word the show bleeped.
    totalnerd undercanada

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    « Reply #115 on: 07-16-2011 14:22 »

    Also do we know that the bleeping wasn't part of the original soundtrack, rather than applied by the broadcaster?
    That was my assumption the entire time.

    Second.

    I liked this one a lot. *bleep*ing funny., with a good performance from the ensemble cast yet managing to retain a focus on Fry, Bender, and John F***ing Zoidberg.

    Some nice callbacks to previous episodes (particularly the robots that got "broken" waitying for an interview all being recurring character units), and I'm happy that the Crushinator came back.

    The court scene was really the only disappointing part of the episode for me. I felt they missed opportunities to make it, y'know, funny.

    Fantastic animation, and a nice look at another one of the moon domes... some great 3D sequences, too. The spaceships were all beautifully done, and the shots in flight were fantastic.

    Overall a solid 8/10
    bankrupt

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    « Reply #116 on: 07-16-2011 16:51 »

    They have had some really great animated bits in these last two episodes.  The Tron styled segment in last week's episode was fantastic.  In the current episode I really liked the inverted camera roll they put in there when the Planet Express ship took off.  I hope they keep those little touches coming.
    DannyJC13

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    « Reply #117 on: 07-16-2011 16:53 »
    « Last Edit on: 07-16-2011 16:55 »

    I heard some sweet new music on the PE Building shots, as someone else pointed out. big grin

    Oh, and about Eric Rogers making Fry childish, he said:

    let the fans know that the show is a team effort; I don't decide that stuff, the whole writing staff does.
    winna

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    « Reply #118 on: 07-16-2011 17:04 »

    I rewatched this episode just now, and it's already grown on me.  I'm still taken aback by the 'Billy West' joke because it felt too blatent and it was a fourth wall buster, but Futurama likes to do these from time to time.  I also second whoever said that the Space Pope should have had more funny with his speaking lines.... his best appearance so far to me is the one he wasn't actually in.

    That said, the pacing on this is really good, and most of the jokes hit pretty on spot.  I haven't seen anyone talk about this directly, but my favorite part of the episode is the escalation in both Clamps and Zoidberg.  People have complained in both of these respects, but I don't think they realize that there is character depth going on there.  Clamps is given a job he doesn't actually want, and through the scenes where Fry is buddying him up, he's getting really irritated.  Add on top of that the fact that Zoidberg is getting defensive (which he does as demonstrated in Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love) about something he doesn't care about.  So he finally takes all of that frustration out on Zoidberg... and when his job looks like it can be finished he takes great pleasure and exudes some of that pent up frustration as well.  Zoidberg gets escalated in his irritation over the course of the episode as well... starting with being non-chalant about not caring about the possibility of competition, becoming defensive about a challenge coming up, feeling apologetic about his prior behavior and trying to sweep it under the carpet.... and after being almost choked to death and having the f-word blown in his face.... he finally erupts at the end of the episode, flinging the curse term back at his perceived oppressor.  The whole thing is just handled fantastically.

    Lastly, about the detractions that everybody knew "Billy West" wasn't Bender... of course that was obvious... Futurama does this all the time; they try to make dramatic sequences with a twist, but all the die hard fans are paying attention and aren't surprised at all.  I already named Lesser of Two Evils, but Lrrreconcilable Ndndifferences fits there as well, and those are just off the top of my head.  It didn't play out poorly though, and if you weren't already looking for the twist, it would have been just as easy to assume that it actually was Bender.  In fact, they could have played it up the way they did in order to trick the audience I described by having it actually turn out to be Bender.... except they'd have to cut Bella shooting him, the joke about Bender being moved across the street, and the final line joke about an innocent father/husband being axed.  In fact, since the staff keeps asking if we knew all along or not, I think it would be great if one of the writers read this post and wrote an episode with a twist that we all expect and then double twisted it in order to trick the people that see this stuff coming from a mile away.  Then what would you all say?  Oh, I knew it was Bender this whole time!  No, you didn't, you thought they were trying to trick you, and you got tricked because of it!

    Good episode.  With a third viewing it might actually be my favorite for the season thus far.
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    « Reply #119 on: 07-16-2011 17:51 »

    I loved it, one of my favorite episodes ever. The whole Billy West thing was great and I loved the Crushinator back! An appearance from The Robot Devil is always appreciated!
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