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coffeeBot

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« Reply #280 on: 07-05-2011 18:51 »

I liked this episode quite a bit. It was a sweet Bender/Fry episode that reminds me a little bit of Jurassic Bark. Also, I have to agree with a lot of the people here- any episode with the Robot Devil is pretty much automatically gold.
9/10
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« Reply #281 on: 07-05-2011 20:24 »

Hm, not so sure on Bender saying 'Dipshlits'... hmpf
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« Reply #282 on: 07-06-2011 04:57 »
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I didn't like this one. Dunno what to say, I just didn't laugh. hmpf
EDIT: Err I should say, I didn't think it was horrible or anything. I mean it was interesting, but not enough to carry it.
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« Reply #283 on: 07-06-2011 11:19 »

Holy crap it's really hard to read some of these "discussions"

Watched the episode three more times since it aired, still loved it. The callbacks to Hell is Other Robots and Devil's Hands were so well placed. Cannot love it enough.
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« Reply #284 on: 07-08-2011 01:52 »

Enjoyed quite a lot the episode.. overall gave it an 8..

Pure Futurama jokes, good entertaiment..

tought a bit void of secondary plots... (except for Scruffy's buffet..if it can be called a sec plot) ..
Bender as ghost was hilarious.. same as the robot devil
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« Reply #285 on: 07-08-2011 01:58 »

I'm not sure Scruffy's buffet can be dignified with the title of "secondary plot". smile
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« Reply #286 on: 07-08-2011 02:43 »

Yeah, it was more of a running gag.
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« Reply #287 on: 07-09-2011 11:41 »

This is one of the best episodes of the new season so far.  Note to whoever wrote "Benderama": this is how you write a Bender-centric episode.

My favorite bits:

The Robot Devil reading Life in Hell magazine.  It's funny on multiple levels.

The future has pineapple vending machines?  Sign me up.

The Amish planet.  Although I do feel the need to point out that Fry wouldn't have needed a beard; only married Amish men wear beards.
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« Reply #288 on: 07-09-2011 16:00 »

The future has pineapple vending machines?  Sign me up.

I think that the writers of Futurama have been on a quest since the beginning to come up with the strangest possible variations on vending machines. There was the vending machine in a previous episode that dispensed "Refreshing Crack", and there was another that dispensed pigs, IIRC. Live pigs, for feeding to the tyrannosaurus in IDAR. I think.

The point is, before I get sidetracked with a list of all the crazy variations and the episodes they appear in, that Matt Groening likes weird machines. From huge heath-robinson/rube-goldberg-esque monstrosities like the Near Death Star, down to the various crazy takes on vending machines (the Suicide Booths could arguably be a vending-machine-esque device), and from Life In Hell to The Simpsons, he's put them into everything he's done. Sometimes subtly, sometimes about as subtle as a brick to the face.

So I reckon those pineapple (and other) vending machines are MG's influence making itself felt.
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« Reply #289 on: 07-10-2011 04:37 »

Sure, the crack vending machine and the pineapple vending machine are both examples of crazy vending machines from the future, but the difference is that while I don't have any interest in being able to buy crack from a vending machine, I do want to be able to buy pineapples from a vending machine.

And there's nothing odd about the pig vending machine.  You go to a petting zoo, they have vending machines that give you food to feed to the animals.  It's the same thing at a dinosaur park.
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« Reply #290 on: 07-10-2011 05:21 »

I loved the pineapple vending machine. It was random in a good way: a really stellar example of how Futurama sticks really absurd things into an episode briefly so that we all go "Okay. Wait, what?" The recurring joke of bizarre vending machines is funny in itself. Also, the fact that it was pineapples is reminiscent of The Why of Fry, and that video of him trying to eat a pineapple off a string.
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« Reply #291 on: 07-10-2011 08:44 »

And there's nothing odd about the pig vending machine.  You go to a petting zoo, they have vending machines that give you food to feed to the animals.  It's the same thing at a dinosaur park.

A vending machine that dispenses live animals, no matter the appropriateness of its placement, will always strike me as a subtle indicator of exactly how far into madness the world has slipped.
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« Reply #292 on: 07-10-2011 12:53 »

Also, the fact that it was pineapples is reminiscent of The Why of Fry, and that video of him trying to eat a pineapple off a string.

First thing I thought of when I saw it. wink
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« Reply #293 on: 07-10-2011 13:23 »

Also, the fact that it was pineapples is reminiscent of The Why of Fry, and that video of him trying to eat a pineapple off a string.

First thing I thought of when I saw it. wink

For some reason that didn't occur to me, but now it does! big grin...
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« Reply #294 on: 07-11-2011 08:44 »

A vending machine that dispenses live animals, no matter the appropriateness of its placement, will always strike me as a subtle indicator of exactly how far into madness the world has slipped.

I'm pretty sure that I've seen a vending machine somewhere that dispenses live crickets to feed to frogs or lizards or something.  Unless I dreamt it, which is entirely likely.
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« Reply #295 on: 07-11-2011 16:39 »

A vending machine that dispenses live animals, no matter the appropriateness of its placement, will always strike me as a subtle indicator of exactly how far into madness the world has slipped.

I'm pretty sure that I've seen a vending machine somewhere that dispenses live crickets to feed to frogs or lizards or something.  Unless I dreamt it, which is entirely likely.

That's still insane, but it can ofcourse also be pointed out that pigs has a much higher state of consciousness than crickets. Crickets and other insects are often just thrown in a big bowl or bag together, too. Must countries wouldn't let you do that with pigs.
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« Reply #296 on: 07-11-2011 17:51 »

Great. Now all I can think about is a bag of assorted pigs being dispensed at high speed from an irritable vending machine. I'll be afraid to buy a can of coke for weeks now, Aki.
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« Reply #297 on: 07-11-2011 19:44 »

Crickets and other insects are often just thrown in a big bowl or bag together, too. Must countries wouldn't let you do that with pigs.



gis has everything.
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« Reply #298 on: 07-11-2011 21:28 »

12 Bizarre Vending Machines

http://www.oddee.com/item_96684.aspx
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #299 on: 07-11-2011 21:42 »

Best find ever.
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« Reply #300 on: 07-11-2011 21:43 »

Best find ever.

That I actually found when it was released in 2009. laff
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« Reply #301 on: 07-11-2011 22:03 »

I love how basically all of them are in Japan. Oh, Japan.

The thought of an "irritable vending machine" itself is slightly terrifying. Actually, kind of really terrifying.
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« Reply #302 on: 07-11-2011 22:07 »

Vending machines are just very common in Japan. From the train station to the hostel I stayed in in Tokyo, about 5 minute walk, there were over 20 vending machines just for drinks.
Doesn't help that on some corners there are 5 or more next to each other.
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« Reply #303 on: 07-11-2011 22:17 »

This thread is making me testy...let's get back to the show now. big grin

I don't know if I've already said this or simply just read someone else say it, but it was odd to see Fry and not Leela dart in the way of the globe to save the human. Wasn't it?
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« Reply #304 on: 07-11-2011 22:23 »

I think Leela would have been more inclined to do so if it was a cute animal in danger rather than a paleontologist. Or maybe she would have if she noticed sooner and I'm being too hard on her.  tongue
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« Reply #305 on: 07-11-2011 22:25 »

A bit, yeah, but also kind of necessary to the plot of the episode.
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« Reply #306 on: 07-11-2011 22:29 »

The thought of an "irritable vending machine" itself is slightly terrifying. Actually, kind of really terrifying.

I'm glad I'm not the only one kept awake by this idea at night. I have enough problems at the moment, worrying about the ghost of my old laptop haunting me, without thinking that all the vending machines I've insulted over the years might be plotting their revenge.

I mean, it's bad enough when you get one of the ones that talks, nevermind plots.
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« Reply #307 on: 07-12-2011 04:13 »

Wouldn't it have been better if Leela hadn't noticed though instead of notice and not do anything? I dunno, I know I am way overanalyzing things.
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« Reply #308 on: 07-12-2011 05:04 »

Wouldn't it have been better if Leela hadn't noticed though instead of notice and not do anything? I dunno, I know I am way overanalyzing things.

I agree. For her to have noticed and not do anything could mean two things- either she feels "damsel-y" and as if she couldn't help or she doesn't feel like helping. Neither of those sound very characteristic of Leela.

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« Reply #309 on: 07-12-2011 05:09 »

Maybe NNY has a "Bad Samaratin" law, prohibiting helping people...
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« Reply #310 on: 07-13-2011 06:49 »

I agree. For her to have noticed and not do anything could mean two things- either she feels "damsel-y" and as if she couldn't help or she doesn't feel like helping. Neither of those sound very characteristic of Leela.

I agree with this, but would Bender have reacted to Leela saving a human instead of a robot in the same way he reacted to Fry doing that? I'm not sure. They had Fry do the saving to keep the focus on the relationship between Bender and Fry.

What I also thought was weird and out-of-character for Leela, but again kind of necessary to the Bender-Fry theme, was that when she ran out of the path of the rolling barn she didn't even attempt to alert Fry or drag him with her or something.
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« Reply #311 on: 07-13-2011 19:50 »

Nah he wouldn't have, I know it was necessary to the plot. But maybe Leela could have been distracted and Fry was the only one to notice. It was the idea that she noticed and didn't do anything that made it feel odd.

You're right on the ending too, spira. I thought it was odd too.
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« Reply #312 on: 07-16-2011 06:17 »

really good episode.  Robot Devil was great.  Bender as ghost haunting fry was hilarious.  The whole Amish planet scene could have been better, but pretty standard.
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« Reply #313 on: 09-06-2011 04:45 »

I really loved the Bender "i love you" scene, it wasn't really characteristic of Bender at all, but it was really nice to see he cared about Fry and for him to show any type of affection.
Aki

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« Reply #314 on: 09-07-2011 00:45 »

Bender loving Fry isn't characteristic? Where have you been for six seasons?
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« Reply #315 on: 09-07-2011 00:50 »

I think pumpkinpie means that Bender being so vocal about his affection for Fry is kind of unexpected. I will admit to being taken aback (and compelled to almost roll my eyes) at his exaggerated declaration of love for Fry as he saved him from an untimely, Amish death.
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« Reply #316 on: 09-07-2011 01:02 »

Really? I thought it was excellently executed. Bender in general is pretty cold hearted (duh), but in the times that he has been really emotional (when it comes to other characters, not personal pursuits or materialistic stuff), the writers have always pulled together and made it characteristic. I think this was such a case, when Bender started out as cold as usual, more or less because he has troubles realizing his own emotions and feelings - but throughout the episode he realizes what he feels for Fry (for the 1000th time), and towards the end he openly loves him, especially when faced with a situation in which he can lose him forever. Call it an escalating epiphany. It worked for me.
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« Reply #317 on: 09-07-2011 01:09 »

Fair enough, Aki. I didn't hate the "I love you" moment--I just thought it was a bit overdone, slightly cringe-worthy. Then again, I found Bender's marked cruelty towards Fry in act two to be slightly irredeemable, so maybe that's why his turn-around in act three didn't do much for me. And I much preferred the montage of him trying to hug Fry and sleeping at the foot of his bed like a loyal dog, which was sweeter to me, and a lot more subtle.
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« Reply #318 on: 09-07-2011 01:13 »

I did think Bender was out of character when being so ready to kill Fry in act two (I think I wrote a longer piece on it in this thread when the episode was fresh), but I don't think it impacted the third act enough to make his emotions any falser (though I can see how it could in eyes other than mine). In my opinion the episode could have been much better if Bender had only hesitated when asked to kill Fry - "well, I do hate him... but he's my friend!" "He also used your porn collection!" "That bastard! I'll kill him!" or whatever.
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« Reply #319 on: 09-07-2011 02:40 »

Well, to me "I, Roommate" pretty much nails how it is.  Bender truly loves Fry, but he won't admit it, because it would ruin his image, so to speak.  That makes sense.  Bender is a robot and you can argue that his behaviour will always be a bit too the extreme of regular human behaviour.

Every time throughout Futurama, Fry was onto Bender for liking him, Bender would essentially try to move the subject elsewhere.  Bender is not above strangling Fry if he is mad at him (for stealing his last beer!).

At first, I admit I was on the side of Aki; Bender just wanting to kill Fry without any thorough thought moment was a bit over the top.  But now that I think about it, it doesn't really bother me.  Bender claims he loves living until he decides he doesn't.  Again, Bender is always an extreme; even in mood swing cases.

Now he is presented with a dilemma; his life or Fry's.  To me it makes sense that he chooses the former to save.  It is only later he begins to realise that he is not so keen on killing Fry after all (particularly when that doesn't have to happen to save his own skin).  I also like the subtle joke about Asimov's Robot Laws that is completely violated in this episode.  Although, that would not be the first time Futurama has done that.

Bender revealing his love for Fry makes perfect sense for Bender.  He for the first time feels truly guilty about desires to kill Fry (although it would not the first time he has such desires), and Fry had been quite aware of it.  So to settle the score, he has to ease the pain.
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