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spira

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« Reply #600 on: 09-05-2011 17:52 »

It's just another case of the writers sacrificing characterization and continuity for a cheap joke/faster pacing.

Yeah, I can give the scene that, I suppose. But I also think it was wise of the writers to not try and throw Zapp and Kif heavily into the episode as well. They kept the plot nice and focused throughout, which is one of the reasons I found Cold Warriors particularly solid.

Smarty, MORE DETAILS. This is a BIG DEAL. haha. Looks good, I like.
Smarty

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« Reply #601 on: 09-05-2011 19:15 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2011 19:18 »

It's just another case of the writers sacrificing characterization and continuity for a cheap joke/faster pacing.

Yeah, I can give the scene that, I suppose. But I also think it was wise of the writers to not try and throw Zapp and Kif heavily into the episode as well. They kept the plot nice and focused throughout, which is one of the reasons I found Cold Warriors particularly solid.

I agree, pacing is an important element that decides the quality of an episode (I mean, we all seem to have been complaining or at least pointing out that the pacing seemed rushed once and a while), and it was probably a good decision on the writers' parts. Any more to that scene might have bogged the pacing down a little bit, and honestly, it would have been irrelevant. Yes, we didn't see Kif exactly throw his body in front of Zapp telling him not to shoot the ship because Amy could have been on it, but that's not everything. For all we know, he might not have realized that it was the ship. It was moving fast, and it happened pretty quickly. He never explicitly stated that he knew it was their ship. And he probably knew that by shooting the barrier, all that would happen is that they would escape (and why wouldn't he want that?) Or, of course, the writers just simply did not think of that and thought we'd assume.

Honestly, we're all probably over analyzing this whole 30 second scene.

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Smarty, MORE DETAILS. This is a BIG DEAL. haha. Looks good, I like.

This isn't as big of a deal as all those name changes we've been having around here...I'm just going through a phase, that is all. I used to have a Fry avatar with glasses...maybe I'll revert back to that one day...
spira

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« Reply #602 on: 09-05-2011 19:59 »

Kif did never explicitly say anything. I'd like to think that his "but" was about Amy, but then I think we would have gotten more than just a resigned Kif-sigh out of him when his head got smashed into the button. But I agree, it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, and I remain glad they left out another dramatic scene.

"All those name changes"? I've only seen Coldy messing about, have I missed something? heh.
Smarty

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« Reply #603 on: 09-05-2011 20:41 »

There aren't actually many. I tend to exaggerate sometimes...bad habit.
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #604 on: 09-06-2011 01:31 »

*gives a resigned sigh*.
zlawke

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« Reply #605 on: 09-07-2011 15:32 »
« Last Edit on: 09-07-2011 15:34 »

Season 6A:

# Rebirth - 7/10
# In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela - 3/10
# Attack of the Killer App - 2/10
# Proposition Infinity - 1/10
# The Duh-Vinci Code - 5/10
# Lethal Inspection - 6/10
# The Late Philip J. Fry - 8/10
# That Darn Katz! - 7/10
# A Clockwork Origin - 5/10
# The Prisoner of Benda - 10/10
# Lrrreconcilable Ndndifferences - 3/10
# The Mutants Are Revolting - 10/10

5,6/10

Season 6B:

# The Silence of the Clamps - 9/10
# Möbius Dick - 10/10
# Law and Oracle - 10/10
# Benderama - 4/10
# The Tip of the Zoidberg - 10/10
# Ghost in the Machines - 10/10
# Neutopia - 3/10
# Yo Leela Leela - 6/10
# Fry am the Egg Man - 8/10
# All the Presidents' Heads - 9/10
# Cold Warriors - 9/10
# Overclockwise - 10/10

8,25/10

I think second half is a hell of a lot better and it felt like classic Futurama that I love. Besides 6A has 4 heavy stinkers and only 2 brilliant episodes, that's why I think it was worst season ever.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #606 on: 09-07-2011 18:08 »
« Last Edit on: 09-07-2011 18:57 »

6A isn't it's own season...

6A and 6B make up all of Season 6. I suppose we should call them section 6A and section 6B, or volume 6A and volume 6B, but oh well. tongue
Mongo

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« Reply #607 on: 09-07-2011 18:50 »

# Rebirth - 8/10
# In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela - 6/10
# Attack of the Killer App - 5/10
# Proposition Infinity - 7/10
# The Duh-Vinci Code - 7/10
# Lethal Inspection - 9/10
# The Late Philip J. Fry - 10/10
# That Darn Katz! - 6/10
# A Clockwork Origin - 8/10
# The Prisoner of Benda - 10/10
# Lrrreconcilable Ndndifferences - 7/10
# The Mutants Are Revolting - 9/10
# Futurama Holiday Spectacular - 4/10

7.4/10

Season 6B:

# The Silence of the Clamps - 7/10
# Möbius Dick - 9/10
# Law and Oracle - 10/10
# Benderama - 8/10
# The Tip of the Zoidberg - 8/10
# Ghost in the Machines - 9/10
# Neutopia - 8/10
# Yo Leela Leela - 5/10
# Fry am the Egg Man - 9/10
# All the Presidents' Heads - 9/10
# Cold Warriors - 10/10
# Overclockwise - 10/10

8.5/10

For me, 6B averages a full point higher than 6A, and the final episode Reincarnation is likely to move that difference even higher.  6B has 7 really good episodes (rating of 9 or 10) compared to 4 episodes in 6A, while having only 1 really bad episode (rating of 6 or below) compared to 4 episodes in 6A.
UnrealLegend

Space Pope
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« Reply #608 on: 09-08-2011 07:58 »

Might as well.

# Rebirth - 7/10
# In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela - 6/10
# Attack of the Killer App - 6.5/10
# Proposition Infinity - 7/10
# The Duh-Vinci Code - 8/10
# Lethal Inspection - 9/10
# The Late Philip J. Fry - 10/10
# That Darn Katz! - 8.5/10
# A Clockwork Origin - 8/10
# The Prisoner of Benda - 10/10
# Lrrreconcilable Ndndifferences - 8.5/10
# The Mutants Are Revolting - 8/10
# Futurama Holiday Spectacular - 3/10


Season 6B:

# The Silence of the Clamps - 7/10
# Möbius Dick - 9.5/10
# Law and Oracle - 9.5/10
# Benderama - 8.5/10
# The Tip of the Zoidberg - 8/10
# Ghost in the Machines - 8/10
# Neutopia - 5/10
# Yo Leela Leela - 5/10
# Fry am the Egg Man - 8/10
# All the Presidents' Heads - 6.5/10
# Cold Warriors - 10/10
# Overclockwise - 10/10

It looks like 6B is teh best here. and unless Reincarnation is a massive stinker, I'm sure it will stay like that.
spira

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #609 on: 09-08-2011 14:20 »

# Rebirth - 9/10
# In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela - 6/10
# Attack of the Killer App - 7/10
# Proposition Infinity - 8/10
# The Duh-Vinci Code - 8/10
# Lethal Inspection - 10/10
# The Late Philip J. Fry - 10/10
# That Darn Katz! - 9/10
# A Clockwork Origin - 8/10
# The Prisoner of Benda - 10/10
# Lrrreconcilable Ndndifferences - 9/10
# The Mutants Are Revolting - 9/10
# Futurama Holiday Spectacular - 6/10


Season 6B:

# The Silence of the Clamps - 7/10
# Möbius Dick - 9/10
# Law and Oracle - 9/10
# Benderama - 7/10
# The Tip of the Zoidberg - 8/10
# Ghost in the Machines - 7/10
# Neutopia - 4/10
# Yo Leela Leela - 7/10
# Fry am the Egg Man - 10/10
# All the Presidents' Heads - 6/10
# Cold Warriors - 10/10
# Overclockwise - 10/10

It looks like 6A is actually higher for me on average, but 6B has the same amount of 10s which is really the kicker for me. I think I liked 6A more than most people. (This is maybe possibly, if you believe in nostalgia goggles, because it had already aired when I became a fan so I watched it in a random order with the rest of the original run the first time I watched the eps.)
DannyJC13

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« Reply #610 on: 09-08-2011 18:27 »

It looks like 6B is teh best here. and unless Reincarnation is a massive stinker, I'm sure it will stay like that.

Stuff like this pisses me off. How can one shitty episode ruin an entire season for someone? 6B is my fave half of Season 6, and it contains the worst ep ever (IMO), Yo Leela Leela, but that doesn't affect anything else, it's still an amazing season... no no
Inquisitor Hein
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #611 on: 09-08-2011 18:52 »

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Stuff like this pisses me off. How can one shitty episode ruin an entire season for someone?
I think this does not mean "runinig the whole season", but rather a bad episode pushing down 6Bs average just far enough to fall from first place to second.
flesheatingbull

Starship Captain
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« Reply #612 on: 09-08-2011 18:54 »

anyone ranking 'yo leela leela' above any other episode in season 6B is CRAZY!!!!
totalnerd undercanada

DOOP Ubersecretary
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« Reply #613 on: 09-08-2011 19:43 »

It's better than Attack of the Killer App, and probably on a par with Neutopia. That's about as far as I'll go in defense of it. It's not terrible, it's just... not Futurama. It's weird. A confusing and hard-to-classify episode really. I'd be happier if it had never been concieved of, but it's grown on me just a smidge. Partially thanks to the defense that people have been giving it here on PEEL.
cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
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« Reply #614 on: 09-08-2011 20:31 »

I think I prefer it to Ghost in the Machines and I think it's far superior to The Silence of the Clamps.
DannyJC13

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #615 on: 09-08-2011 21:16 »

and probably on a par with Neutopia.

No way. Neutopia was a masterpiece compared to Yo Leela Leela...
Otis P Jivefunk

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #616 on: 09-08-2011 21:25 »

Yo Leela Leela is shit, worst of 6B by far, and second worst of 6 overall after Holiday Craptacular...

Also, why are people rating Season 6 in here? I thought this thread was primarily for comparing new eps to the original run and saying if you think they're worse or not. It could be argued that your lists are evidence displaying your point of view on the new episodes, but if so then I'm seeing a lack of context in comparison to the original run. Surely for the purpose of merely rating Season 6 we should wait until it's over and then make a designated thread for such things? It's bound to happen anyways...
DannyJC13

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #617 on: 09-08-2011 21:27 »

The Holiday Spectacular is also a masterpiece compared to Yo Leela Leela. But TFHS is really growing on me... shifty
Otis P Jivefunk

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #618 on: 09-08-2011 21:46 »

You're beginning to worry me, DannyJC13. What next, Yo Leela Leela not sucking a fing-longer?...
DannyJC13

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #619 on: 09-08-2011 21:48 »

I am going to use that phrase from now on...

GO SUCK A FING-LONGER.

And TFHS really isn't that bad... Yeah it's bad, but it's not like it needs to burn in hell.
Boxy Robot

Starship Captain
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« Reply #620 on: 09-08-2011 21:50 »

The Holiday Spectacular is also a masterpiece compared to Yo Leela Leela.

laff Ha, ha laff You're kidding me right? Please tell me your kidding me hmpf FOR GOD'S SAKE TELL ME YOU'RE JOKING  mad

But seriously, Yo Leela Leela is about 20x better than the crap known as Holiday Craptacular

zlawke

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« Reply #621 on: 09-08-2011 21:55 »
« Last Edit on: 09-08-2011 21:56 »

Yo Leela Leela is enjoyable but yeah, it's stupid idea making parody of a kids' TV shows. But Craptacular sucks in every way, it's boring and there is no fresh ideas. And there's that stinky The Sting callback (horrible!).
spira

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #622 on: 09-09-2011 01:07 »

None of them need to burn in hell. YLL had a terrible premise, but it was executed quite well. Craptacular had a good premise, but was executed terribly. Neither deserves the wrath of eternal flames.
UnrealLegend

Space Pope
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« Reply #623 on: 09-09-2011 08:00 »

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Stuff like this pisses me off. How can one shitty episode ruin an entire season for someone?
I think this does not mean "runinig the whole season", but rather a bad episode pushing down 6Bs average just far enough to fall from first place to second.
Exactly. I meant that if Reincarnation was really bad (which it wasn't btw wink ), then the average would have been lower.

Also, The Holiday Craptacular is much worse than Yo Leela Leela. I'd say Neutopia and YLL are about the same level of mediocrity, but nothing comes close the Craptacular.
spira

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #624 on: 09-09-2011 14:07 »

I'd say the Craptacular and YLL are the same level of mediocrity, but nothing comes close to Neutopia. But that is just me liking the first two a lot more than the average PEELer.
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #625 on: 09-09-2011 14:49 »

I think I prefer it to Ghost in the Machines and I think it's far superior to The Silence of the Clamps.

Second. We may be the only two people on PEEL who think that, though. (I was so unimpressed by "Ghost in the Machines" in particular.) I thought YLL was really good, story- and gag-wise, for the first two acts. The reveal that the Rumbledy Hump characters are real kind of made act three hard to swallow, but the jokes were still there, and the ending was so wonderfully warped and a great parody of a usual kids' show, where the protagonist has made a mistake and is rightfully punished for it in the end.

Oh, and I also liked "Neutopia." "Roller Derby isn't a society!"
DannyJC13

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« Reply #626 on: 09-09-2011 17:30 »

I'd say the Craptacular and YLL are the same level of mediocrity, but nothing comes close to Neutopia. But that is just me liking the first two a lot more than the average PEELer.

I loved Neutopia too. big grin
Mongo

Bending Unit
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« Reply #627 on: 09-09-2011 17:45 »

My opinion:

Neutopia (decent, not great episode)

<big gap>

In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela (bad episode)
Yo Leela Leela (similar to IAGDL in quality)
Attack of the Killer App (worse than IAGDL)
Futurama Holiday Spectacular (horrible episode)
flesheatingbull

Starship Captain
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« Reply #628 on: 09-09-2011 18:06 »
« Last Edit on: 09-09-2011 18:09 »

The Holiday Spectacular is also a masterpiece compared to Yo Leela Leela.

laff Ha, ha laff You're kidding me right? Please tell me your kidding me hmpf FOR GOD'S SAKE TELL ME YOU'RE JOKING  mad

But seriously, Yo Leela Leela is about 20x better than the crap known as Holiday Craptacular



DOES NOT COMPUTE.

i agree with danny boy here. YLL is THE WORST episode i've ever laid witness to. THE WORST!!!!

neutopia was enjoyable.
holiday spectacular was better than YLL for two reasons. The opening voice work done by Mo, and the Robanikuh segment.
DannyJC13

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #629 on: 09-09-2011 18:11 »

Robanikuh segment.

Yup, the Robanukah segment was the best. big grin
AdrenalinDragon

Starship Captain
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« Reply #630 on: 09-09-2011 18:46 »

After Season 6 has aired, I decided to check the CGEF stats on each season:

Season 1

3 out of 13 episodes score 90% or above
8 out of 13 episodes score 80-89%
2 out of 13 episodes score lower than 80%


Season 2

3 out of 19 episodes score 90% or above
12 out of 19 episodes score 80-89%
4 out of 19 episodes score lower than 80%


Season 3

6 out of 22 episodes score 90% or above
8 out of 22 episodes score 80-89%
8 out of 22 episodes score lower than 80%


Season 4

6 out of 18 episodes score 90% or above
6 out of 18 episodes score 80-89%
6 out of 18 episodes score lower than 80%


Season 6

6 out of 26 episodes score 90% or above
9 out of 26 episodes score 80-89%
11 out of 26 episodes score lower than 80%


So Season 6 is roughly on par with Season 3, which actually isn't too bad. smile
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #631 on: 09-09-2011 20:27 »

When I did my own personal episode-by-episode ranking a few months ago, seasons three and six both averaged about a 7/10. That would make season six my third favorite season, behind seasons three and four.

And I could stand by that decision; season six had some really high highs, a couple of low lows, and a ton of solid and entertaining episodes. Nothing wrong with that.
Bend-err

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #632 on: 09-09-2011 20:29 »

You should wait a few weeks for the last few episodes of Season 6 rating.
DannyJC13

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #633 on: 09-09-2011 20:55 »

I've been seeing a lot of positive feedback about the new eps on Twitter, Futurama is back and better than ever! big grin

Waits for the rage... ATLEAST I LIKE IT.
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #634 on: 09-09-2011 21:01 »

To be fair, Danny, I think there are only a few vocal posters here who flat-out hate the new run. Some people have been sort of lukewarm about it, and others have unequivocally loved it--but I think, in general, most PEELers see season six for what it is: an average season that's capable of greatness. But, I mean, that's what season three is to me, too--with maybe a couple more flat-out awesome episodes than season six had.

But I've still been pleased with the new run overall, and I'm pumped for season seven. Bring it on, writers.
AdrenalinDragon

Starship Captain
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« Reply #635 on: 09-09-2011 21:09 »

For me, there was only 1 below par episode in the second half of Season 6, so that's pretty good! Season 6B was a huge improvement over 6A and I'd probably give it a minimum score of an 8/10 at the moment.
spira

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #636 on: 09-10-2011 00:26 »

I also think 6B had only one majorly below par ep and it holds its own very nicely against the original run. Season 6 was funnier than, say, Season 2, in my opinion. It was also different in a number of other ways. Seasons 3 and 4 are better than Season 6 was, but not by a whole lot, and certain 6 eps were a lot better than certain 3 eps.
flesheatingbull

Starship Captain
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« Reply #637 on: 09-10-2011 08:22 »

i agree with you two. the quality seems to be going up consistently. if i'm not mistaken, DXC even said something about them catching their stride.

7 is sure to blow our socks off!
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #638 on: 09-10-2011 15:48 »

I really enjoyed Neutopia.  One of my favorites this season.
cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
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« Reply #639 on: 09-10-2011 19:00 »

For me, Neutopia is one of the funnier episodes and it has a lot of great ideas and art direction, but its let down by its plotting. The ending is terrible and rushed and it feels like several different episodes crammed together -also, I'm sick of episodes about Planet Express going out of business.

So for me, it all evens out to make a decent episode that I enjoy. Nothing special, but nothing awful either.
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