The official AFF thread (Revenge on Fox!)

[Reply #40 on:]

Oct 25th?  I thought it was Sept 25th...

[Reply #41 on:]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to websites?  AFF is now a website.

[Reply #42 on:]

Well lampy, we need to do SOMETHING to kill the time while we waite for our wellfare checks.

[Reply #43 on:]

Well, naysayers, no matter how long Futurama has been cancelled, Family Guy has been cancelled for longer.  That said, it's not time for me to give up hope yet.  Besides, why do you guys even care what we do?  I don't see it as repeatedly into a brick wall, otherwise I wouldn't do it.  I also don't see AFF bringing Futurama back; I see DVD and merchandise sales doing that.  But, I do see AFF as a tiny, small little step and, well, a tiny, small little step is a step nonetheless.  If it completely flops, then it flops.  If it does get noticed, then remember what I said about it being a tiny, small little step? 

Also ... we don't intend to send the anchovies to anyone in particular; we just plan on getting them into the mailroom.  The letters are to go to Berman, with a postcard depicting our label.  If people actually participate in this, then the anchovies will get noticed, regardless, and I'm sure even the chimps at FOX are smart enough to make a connection. 

All we want to do here is show 'em there are still fans who care enough to do something.  Let us fade hope as we see fit ... don't try and shoot us down because you have lost hope.

[Reply #44 on:]

I’ve been out of the loop for a little while because I had a big project at work, but now that I’m back I’m going to put in my 2 cents.   

(1)  I’ve say this before and I’ll say it again, for anybody who’s concerned that their can of anchovies may not make if overseas (If you’re from a country other than the US), or getting weeded out (as a possible terrorist threat) before it gets to FOX, how about sending a postcard (or 2 or 100).  Postcards are cheap (35 cents each) and what you see is what you get (no chance that it will be weeded out as a possible terrorist threat, or whatever.

(2) My response to older fans of the show who’ve given up getting it back:  I understand where you’re coming from.  You’ve tried before and failed, and you think us newer fans are “walking into a brick wall”.   If anything, you should be excited that a show you love so much is gaining so many new fans.  I think a LOT of people found Futurama when it began airing on Cartoon Network.  A whole new group of people discovering the show, loving it, finding out it’s been canceled, and going, “What the F*@k?!  No way!  We have to do something about that!”   So instead of spending your energy berating and arguing with us, consider giving it one more shot with an “army” that’s steadily growing.   
   
(3) I just looked at Amazon.com and the 4th Season Futurama DVD is #21 on the list of its top selling DVD’s.  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/new-for-you/top-sellers/-/dvd/a ll/ref=pd_ts_d_nav/104-7263430-5263125   Lets make it #1 and we may not have to argue and send anchovies or postcards

(4) Ouch – I know HTML.  Tell me what you need and I’ll do it.  You can email me privately if you like.

(5)   TheLampIncident – Family Guy got canceled MORE THAN 2 YEARS AGO and now its coming back.   I highly doubt “FOX doesn’t remember the show” considering its up for 2 Emmys, the DVD is selling well, and its almost always ranked near the top 10 shows on Cable.  They might just need an extra kick from the fans in the form of an unavoidable mountain of anchovies and postcards.

(6)  Hollywood is always reviving old and dead TV shows, if it can potentially make them money.  Sometimes in new forms like movies (Scooby Doo, Starsky & Hutch, The Flintstones, etc )  And sometimes as an updated TV show (Dragnet, the New Brady Bunch, etc)

[Reply #45 on:]

Would it be cynical of me to point out that the remake of Dragnet has been cancelled?

Vida, I get where you're coming from in terms of CN's airings creating new fans who are watching these episodes for the first time, and are shocked about the show's cancellation.

From my perspective the show was cancelled two and a half years ago.  At the time I was up in arms about it, and we made phenomenal efforts to try and convince FOX to renew the show, but to no avail.

But more than a year's now passed since the final new episode aired in Britain, and it's nearly a year since the final DVD release.  As far as I'm concerned Futurama is now in the past, which is why I'm unenthusiastic about yet another attempt to save the show.

And in a couple of years' time, long after CN have finished airing all the epsiodes, you'll feel pretty much the same way.

[Reply #46 on:]

I think we all have to go through what is somewhat like the stages of grief. Some people are still early in their stages of grief but most (almost all of the older PEELers) have reached acceptance. I think we just have to respect what place others are in and let them work their way through it.

Edit: Do I sound like an asshole? Hope not.

[Reply #47 on:]

I too have given up hope with all the petitions, letters, etc. I've been a fan of Futurama since before the cancellation, even though I've only joined this year. However, AFF has given this cynical Futurama fan one last ray of hope. I don't think it will make FOX bring the show back, but it'll show them that they can't treat their audience like trash without consequences. However, this is something bold that will make an impact only if a lot of people support it. So even if you think the idea is stupid, send in a can still. It won't hurt.

[Reply #48 on:]

as an not related to anything but as a simple (and stupid) comment after all the reasonable ones: if fox isnt interested in the show anymore the least they could do is to stop hogging the rights for the show!!!

[Reply #49 on:]

See... the obvious is getting pointed out.  We did do that huge petition thing (with 130,000 sigs) and that didn't do anything.  That was when Futurama was first actually getting cancelled.  I'm very much a cynic and think that every other "let's bring back futurama petition crap" sucked.  This... this is different: first off Futurama is still on a leg (well maybe a nubb), it's still actually fresh since new viewers have been introduced to it through Adult Swim and the DVDs.  There's a new audience that can be filled.  Second I think this is the most original idea; don't get me wrong, I like a petition as much as the next guy, but now we're *doing* something, it may not be a march, but it's like the next best thing.  Third off, I don't actually expect that cans of anchovies are going to bring back Futurama, Futurama will come back of its own accord through the reasons I just stated, sending anchovies is only going to nudge over the deal.  Last of all if it doesn't work, and Futurama doesn't come back (knock on wood) at least we did something fun, and we can talk about it later on down the road how Gail was showered in cans of little smelly salty fish. 

I say we send in those anchovies and we get a real grass roots going here.  I'm not asking much, not for you to all rally into a military group so we can bomb Fox and take over the world.  I'm just saying we spread the word, we send some damn cans of fish, have a good laugh, and hope for the best.  Again if you just beat this thing down, it'll be like those stupid subsequent petitions everyone hated, but if we push it up some and put some heart into it, we'll have something worthy of talking about... 

[Reply #50 on:]

Finaly, some people are talking sense.  What has happened in the past to revive Futurama has happened, and whether or not it was a success is clear.  But why not let things keep coming at FOX in waves?  They notice an organized effort every time one happens, I'm sure, so why not show 'em some commitment?  Based on the known facts about Family Guy, I'd give it at least another nine months or so without a good announcement (e.g. "Groening and FOX begin negotiations on Futurama" or "Futurama recomissioned!" ) before I start to lose hope.

If you have lost all hope, then fine.  I can't change that, and I won't try.  But, it seems that those who have abandoned all hope are trying to sway people who are on the fence about AFF.  All that's going to do is drag a slim chance down to nothing, and piss people off. 

IMO, further posting in this thread should relate to AFF Q&A, support, and suggestions for the betterment of the campaign, not dragging it down.

[Reply #51 on:]

Spread the word to http:// [url=http://forums.toonzone.net]http://forums.toonzone.net  [/URL]  Kryten, they won't listen to me.

[Reply #52 on:]

I'm trying to spread the word further, but I do not know which forums have been done yet.

When you hit another forum/messgae board, could you post the name here (Obviously, so there's no chance of other insanely tired people of missing it)? It would just make things easier. We can know where to spread the word further, and we would know which forums to go to to support the existing thread.

Another idea is to get a guestbook seperate from the SSF one, if possible. We could ask people just to put their name there at the least, just so we could get a rough idea about how many people are actually going to do this.

[Reply #53 on:]

Just letting you know I'm in and I'm going to bug everybody at my college until they're in too.  We're all nerdlingers* here, and Futurama's probably the overall #2 show here.  Despite my good grammar, I don't hold respect on many message boards and I think I and most of my fellow newbs would do better with grassroots organizing.  Invite casual fans over, show them the good shows and recruit them.  Also point out that doing this will take about a dollar (for one can plus postage) and 20 minutes, and that includes a wait at the post office.

*By the way, where did "nerdlingers" come from?  I see it on here all the time and can guess the meaning from context, but I can't figure out the origin.

[Reply #54 on:]

It's from a special feature in the season 4 DVD menu. You click on a sandwich and it gives you a ton of alien language. I don't want to spoil it, but it talks about "nerdlingers".

[Reply #55 on:]

How about this, whatever your reason – send in a can of anchovies to Fox.

1)  If you think the show will never come back and you hate FOX and just want to stick it to them, SEND IN A CAN OF ANCHOVIES
2)  If you want the show to come back and think this will make a statement, SEND IN A CAN OF ANCHOVIES
3)  If you don’t even really like the show but just like to cause mischief, SEND IN A CAN OF ANCHOVIES
4)  Insert your own reason here then SEND IN A CAN OF ANCHOVIES

Like Winna said, whatever the outcome, at the very least, we look back on it and say we did something fun and made a statement.  At the very best, we get our favorite show back.  (or somewhere in the middle, we get a movie or 2 or a straight to DVD set)

Nerd-o-Rama—Great idea about getting a group going at your college.  If anyone else can do that at their school let us know. 

[Reply #56 on:]

I have about 6 other people doing it at school so far. I have a connection through a local newspaper through one of those friends, and he is going to get an ad for AFF in there.

[Reply #57 on:]

You guys are awesome.  I've talked to my friends about it, and a few are interested.  Also, my best friend writes a weekly rant for a Canadian blog, and he's interested in writing at least one article about AFF, though he may write two (one to rant about FOX cancelling Futurama and to mention AFF, and the other to go into more detail about AFF).  If anyone has some ideas I could foward to him, timeframes that would work well, etc, please be sure to let me know (here, or via email or IM). 

Gwan: there's a list of forums that have been hit up on the first page, but no one's updated it in a while, as far as I know.  You'll have to look for yourself though. ([Professor]Looking myself would take time, and have you priced that lately?  I'm not made of chronotons, dammit!  Leave me alone![/Professor])

(edited because "u[dated" makes no sense)

[Reply #58 on:]

I've got another reason for Vida's list: if you just hate Fox for putting on crappy shows, poisoning their good shows, or just being a multi-billion dollar conservative propaganda machine.  Damn Rupert Murdoch.
Anyway, have we considered advertising on mainstream sites?  I'm thinking specifically of Maddox and his Best Page in the Universe.  He gets an assload of traffic and loathes Fox/Newscorp on general principle.  I think if one of us sent him a polite, well written letter he might be persuaded to at least mention us in his updates section, if not in an article. 
Just a thought.  Honestly, though, he seems more like a Family Guy man.

[Reply #59 on:]

Here's an idea, just simply stop watching it...  I mean as much as you hate it, FOX never PERSONALLY attacked you... Be happy that it even existed, because as much as I hate FOX (for political reasons, I dont care if they cancelled Futurama) they still gave you Futurama...  Matt Groening has noone but FOX to say thanks too for his success, and his shows...  And think of it, if you ever do succeed, think of the after math...  Millions of people lose there jobs, FX is gone, FSW is gone, and most of those great cartoons...

[Reply #60 on:]

Whoopwhoopwhoop: maybe 'hate' was too strong a word.  They've made many good shows over the years, some of which are even still good.  I'm just annoyed right now because I've had to listen to the SOBs at Fox News cover the Republican National Convention all week (well, half the time its been them, half the time CNN...I have my reasons for watching both.)  The way I see it, we're just trying to motivate Fox to pay more attention to the creative shows like Futurama that set them apart from the other networks.  And also not to piss off the twenty-first century's version of Trekkies.

[Reply #61 on:]

 

Originally posted by Whoopwhoopwhoop:
And think of it, if you ever do succeed, think of the after math...  Millions of people lose there jobs, FX is gone, FSW is gone, and most of those great cartoons...

[Kif]*groan*[/Kif]
Do you mind explaining to me just how AFF being successful would cause millions of people to lose their jobs?  Or that there would be any negative consequences at all?  Really now ... be reasonable.

[Reply #62 on:]

Do you guys know how long it'll take to get from Canada (Vancouver) to Fox?  I seem to have a LOT of trouble being able to estimate how long it takes from anything to get from Canada to the states actually (despite the fact Canada post says something like 5-10 days).  I'm thinking of sending it on Oct. 15th.

Anyway, I've done my fair share of naked mailings, and I think it might be fun to send in a can of anchovies that way (has this been discussed before in these threads, I can't recall seeing it).  I'm wondering if my local post office will allow this, but it's not like it's open so I don't really see a problem.

[Reply #63 on:]

I think that if you send something through certain private carriers (instead of USPS or Canada Post), you can tell them to not deliver before a certain date.  You may even be able to do that with government owned postal services.  But don't quote me on any of this.

[Reply #64 on:]

I say call your post office. They should be able to give you an estimate.

[Reply #65 on:]

Any new developments about AFF?

[Reply #66 on:]

I loved the remake of Dragnet!  It had potential.  Anyway, back to what we were talking about...  Someone should draw a little comic strip of Fry and Bender reenacting that scene from the movie 'Ruby'.  Bender takes Fry for a fast ride in the PE Ship and then lands in a desert.  Fry asks Bender why are they here.  Bender gets a laser gun from the ship and says, "Meatbag, we want you to do your duty for our fans and the Fox Channel!  We want you go to the Fox Network, and kill Bart Simpson!"  Then Bender demontrates by shooting a cactus!  Now that would be funny!

[Reply #67 on:]

Here's a little discussion from #fc that me and Nick had, just to show that (Some of) us older, realists ("Cynics" ) see the brilliance of this idea.

I'm BoggyB for you evil non-chatters.
 

<BoggyB> Heh, i just saw the AFF thing nick 
<Nickssf> you hated it?
<Nickssf> or thought it was decent
<Nickssf> cause I was only shooting for decent
<BoggyB> Great idea, but it won't make a difference...
<BoggyB> Still it's a crack-up... have you had many people do it?
<Nickssf> how the hell should I know?
<Nickssf> I just made the site :P
<BoggyB> Oh, right 
<Nickssf> is the site decent?
<Nickssf> and the idea is great and it's better than those damn petitions everyone seems so bent on doing
<Nickssf> plus for the record... I'm a cynic when it comes to trying to save futurama, but I thought the idea was original and so was willing to make the site
<BoggyB> Yeah, if (When) it fails, it'll still be a laugh, it's a wicked idea... i wish it was thought of during the major petition thing... there'd be a lot more anchovies then 
<BoggyB> I mean, of 150,000 people, if one in every hundred of them did it... 
<BoggyB> Or however many people signed that initial petition...
<Nickssf> yeah
<Nickssf> but a lot of people are just now watching Futurama
<Nickssf> see, that's where I figure it has potential
<Nickssf> If it's set right, people who tune into Futurama on Adult Swim (a number close to 600k) came into contact with this
<Nickssf> think of the possibilities!
<BoggyB> Well, they're not all going to see it...
<Nickssf> sure
<Nickssf> but even 10% of that
<Nickssf> that's a big number
<BoggyB> Hmmm, yeah... if even 1% of them decide to do it, that's 600 cans...
<Nickssf> exactly
<Nickssf> and yet, everyone on PEEL is like I hate this idea I'm gay
<Nickssf> if it was a petition i'd say the same thing, but everyone on PEEL acts like they're better or something now
<Nickssf> they're like Been there Done that... and they didn't really do anything in the first place
<BoggyB> I really couldn't care less about the petitions, but this will make them notice, if there's enough

Nick then disconnected, but you get the idea.

Whether i contribute of not, depends solely on whether or not i go to Safeway between now and the 28th, which seems reasonably likely.

[Reply #68 on:]

Farscape is returning, yeah it is only a Miniseries movie but that is something and that is directly by the fans making noise.  So maybe something good can come out of this.  It is not like they are going to burn masters of Futurama if we do this. 

[Reply #69 on:]

I started a thread about this article, but I think everyone involved or potentially involved with AFF should read this:

 http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Social/star_trek/SH7.htm

Inspiration for our cause, AND a nice bump to the top of the page.  What's not to like?

[Reply #70 on:]

The font. I'm really not fond of the font.

[Reply #71 on:]

Some more of that Futurama rumour crap that's not worth making a whole new thread with, but still worth mentioning:

From www.animationHQ.net

Sep 9 2004, 01:56 AM
An AnimationHQ Exclusive!- Remember folks, you saw it here first!
There currently some big rumors flying around regarding Fox bringing back Futurama in the not-so distant future. When the show was cancelled ("pulled indefinitely from the air" ) by Fox, Groening's team was near 50% done with producing another season. Due to high sales of the DVD sets and videogame, it seems that there's a chance now that Fox may have a little surprise for Futurama fans in the next year or so- a return to production and air!

Let's hope we soon see a return of Fry, Bender, and company soon! [/unquote]

Basically the same thing that we saw before, but from what seems to be a more reliable source. Also, it was there before the Movie Hole news, unless I'm very much mistaken. Ah well, it's not much, but it's better then nothing.

[Reply #72 on:]

god i hope its real!

[Reply #73 on:]

Hmmm... this little rumour is popping up all over the place (check out my post in the petition thread). I wonder if that's the source of Moviehole's news...

Hmm... KAH? Honey? Want to come out of retirement for one last job?     

[Reply #74 on:]

 

Originally posted by Gwan101:
The font. I'm really not fond of the font.

What font would you personally like to see it in?  And it should be something that we can assume everyone has on their computer, and looks professional to some extent.

Seriously though (I was serious about that up there too Gwan  ) if you have any suggestions to make the site better or have skillz to help, just tell me and we'll work on it 

[Reply #75 on:]

Maybe some German font no one has heard of! Oh! Oh! Alien 2! That would be entertaining.

Or realistically (sp), Comic Sans or Century Gothic. 

[Reply #76 on:]

Slack, baby I'd do anything for you  . It'd be really great if this rumor is true, I'm just not gonna get my hopes up (meaning I'm repressing any excitement I may or may not be feeling.)

[Reply #77 on:]

Okay, so we've got two web sites with this news, and TV Tome with it's "sources." Of the three, TV Tome's the most trustworthy and the farthest reaching. Still, I really doubt these articles. That said, I hope they're true, but I doubt them.

[Reply #78 on:]

I say forget them. They are completely untrustworthy.

I'll wait until official information surfaces.

[Reply #79 on:]

If a scizophrenic crack addict told you not to jump off a bridge, would you do it?

It's like watching animal behavior to predict the weather.  Just because there is no scientific basis to believe that a flock of birds leaping into flight for no apparent reason signals an approaching storm doesn't mean it's not true.  I say this

could be legit.  I'm not saying certainly or even probably, but possibly.  And I must be the only one, but getting my hopes up has never seriously hurt me.

And to get back on topic, I've convinced so far a dozen people at my college to mail in anchovies (this is helped by the fact that we have a Fiesta grocery down the street.  Remember the 33 cent store in The Simpsons are Going to Japan?  A lot like that.)  And most of them are helping advertise the movement to other people.

A few observations you might want to post on your site:

• Sending in one can of anchvies will cost you $1.50 max using regular USPS.
• You can buy several cans of anchovies and just have your friends mail them for you if they're cheapasses.
• If your friends are indifferent to Futurama, but hate Fox for political or other reasons, use that angle to convince them to help.
• Did anyone use my (really old) suggestion to e-mail Maddox?  Everyone reads that SOB's site.  Even if he just ridiculed us in the hate mail section, that's publicity.  And for the love of God, don't spam him.
  

That's about long enough...