PEELies 2006?

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Are we on 2007... or is it the previous year?  2006?  I'm not quite sure, anyways this would have been made 2 months ago if we had had the results from the last one.   I'm not pointing any fingers but I had deliberately planned to make this thread once December hit for some time now.  I'm also moving that we change the PEELies this time around.  The rules I'm going set forth aren't set in stone by any means, and everyone has a right to criticize or change them.  I never minded the PEELie councils that we've had, and it has been a great honor for some to serve on them, but I feel that at the same time they may not reflect the overall opinions on PEEL.  Most notably is that in the past, the PEELie council has decided what awards are important and who the four nominees are for each award.  Considering we didn't even have an awards ceremony this past year, one can only assume that this was too much work for the PEELie council, and therefore I'm moving that we remove a little bit of this burden off of them.  My suggestions may put a noticable strain on PEEL though, and I would understand if these ideas don't make it any further than past this thread. 

My idea is this: we conduct the PEELies a little more similar to how we do POTM.  This thread can be used to determine which categories we shall have for example.  Everyone will be given 3 nominations that they will make bold and the top (25? since the last PEELies awarded had about 29 awards) will become the official categories.  Whoever counts them can count categories with similar themes as the same category. From there we can make a separate thread detailing each category. Each Peel(er/ette) can then nominate a single person for each award (all bolded to stop confusion).  The top 4 people nominated in each category will become the official nominees.  From here my idea gets a little murkier because we have a few choices to pick.  We could do things like we have in the past where a council tallies the votes up from a separate email account, and they can present the awards.  Or we could make separate polls for each category; this is the part that I believe would be very intensive on PEEL, and I'm not sure many of us would think this acceptable to begin with.  At any rate, I think with a few changes and a little more participation from the entire communtiy we could give the PEELies life once more.

This initial thread is meant to be used for a lot of things: to designate rules to govern the ceremony, to criticize these ideas if necessary, possibly nominate another council (although I think if we did have a council, old council members could decide on who would be designated to the new one, if they so choose), and lastly to start nominating categories.  These are my ideas on the subject and if they aren't truly PEEL friendly then I don't mind this thread being closed by a moderator.  However, I feel it's necessary for the community as a whole to voice their opinions through a forum on the subject, and thusly this thread was planned almost a year ago.  Please.  Talk amongst yourselves.

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For reference, here's the catagories and results
from the 2004 PEELies

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You want the PEEL community as a whole to be involved. But we’ve seen from POTM that some of the Old Guard consider that as all their friends have won, there is now no point to these contests. Many ignore the rules, post fake nominations and insult nominees instead of simply boycotting, and generally try to derail the whole process. Unless attitudes change, I don’t see this contest as viable.

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I agree with that.. ^

People can win again on this, so why not get everyone involved.  As one of the council of 9 for the last 3 years, I'm happy to change it about.

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I have no strong feelings one way or the other!

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Well, all I'll say is, if we couldn't make it happen last year, why try again?

I remember some people getting pretty pissed off last year, mostly just asinine arguments over the fact that they are just a popularity contest, and rigged to boot. I thought everyone should get over it; it's an election, they're all like that - every one in the history of mankind!. I assumed that was why we never heard anything else about it, they just decided to drop the subject altogether to put an end to the rant-fest, and I approved of that decision. PEELies seem like a fun idea to me [and many other PEELers] but if it's just gonna create strife and resentment, then I say tnuk it.

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Originally posted by TheMadCapper:
I have no strong feelings one way or the other!

[Scruffy]Second[/Scruffy]

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As one of the council of 9 for the last 3 years, I'm happy to change it about.

I thought you were all anonymous!! Now, I have to hunt down the other 8...

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Originally posted by TheMadCapper:
I have no strong feelings one way or the other!

I agree so much that it deserves a second exclamation mark!

The committee worked fine so long as someone actually presented the results. Poor DrThunder. He must've been fired or shot or something. 
The rest of us... er... I mean the committee as a whole entity, anonymous body of nine, are evidentally too lazy. I'd assume.

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Originally posted by Ninaka:
I thought you were all anonymous!!!

That was the original idea, but we felt it conflicted with our corrupt nature, afterall how are you supposed to take bribes if noone know who you are?

I will echo the statement made by Nix, Archie, Melll and TMC (who all may or may not have been connected to and/or members of the Council of Nine (also known as the Shadow Forces of the Illuminati (better scratch that for safety reasons)): I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

Though a general advice: selecting the cathegories is the biggest time waster, picking the nominees aren't.

And we did get a rough result last year, the process bogged down in writing the intro speeches (during which the latent laziness found in every PEELer took over and we ran out of time). I'll see if I still have Doc Thunder's tally somewhere and post it.

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i completely agree that we should remove some burden from the peelie council.

however, i believe a council should choose the award topics, as nominating for topics would get a bit difficult (most would nominate more unique topics, believing staples such as best male would definitely make it...but they may not since no one nominates them). the public should then nominate peelers for each individual award.

we should have separate threads for nominating in each individual category and i also believe we should have public polls for each award.

a new forum could be created for the peelies, as it was for fall madness.

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Gopher - as far as last years not happening... I was told from one council member that the results were in, and everything was done, they just never got around to posting them.  However, I cant confirm that.

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i'm up for another year, changes or no.

and stuff _did_ get done last year..  council just didn't feel like sharing.. or the other thing, were too lazy... >_>  at any rate, i think most if not all the results were finished, just kinda vanished before being announced.

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From my point of view, we were at the presentation stage, and then I kinda got busy, so I never filled in my "speeches".

I don't even know the results.

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If there is a council this year, pick me! I've been silently judging you the whole time!

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I vote Masty for supreme ruler of the council!

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I vote for i_c_weiner for everything!!1!1!11!

But seriously, I like the idea of the council merely choicing categories, the opening a PEELie forum, and all that's related to that idea. More power to the people.

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There should be the catagories decided by the council (Yes, I'll gladly volunteer for this one more time).

Then once the catagories are announced a nomination thread is put forward (in Off-topic) and open for a few days.  Then the top tens for each are totted up, and the polls opened in their own forum, for the period of a week.

Then their all closed at the same time and the winners can gloat forever. 

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One thing about the polls.  The email seems more secure, barring multiple accounts, although more time consuming.  If you go with the poll option, you might require everyone who votes to post as such too, if the votes and posting doesnt add up... you get the drift.

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i agree with the security issue and the email thing....the only problem i had with it was getting too heavily into relying on a council again.

but i guess it cant be avoided.

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Originally posted by Gopher:
Well, all I'll say is, if we couldn't make it happen last year, why try again?

Jeez man you give up fast. I take back my vote for you for POTM!

haha nah im kidding. mainly because I can't... 

Anyways, banking on what loveable Jicannon said, I kinda agree for a council semi-involvement as well as a PEEL involvement. When we had to do senior superlatives in yearbook, the council (the yearbook seniors, which consisted of maybe 3 or 4 people, and the teacher) decided on the categories. Then once everyone agreed, we made a list of those 24 categories for people to fill in (say like, "Best Hair" and then you list one guy, one girl). I think that system works best, that way there is no extra complicated-ness (hahaha, riiiight) with the awards, and everyone has their say in who should get what. Anyways, just a thought.

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ff: Aaw. Well, the new system sounds like it would reduce the amount of bickering and flaming that ensues around the event, so I'm not opposed to it or anything.

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I didnt realize there was flaming and bickering around the event.  Things were posted and voted for.  Its not like we were even able to post in the thread if we wanted to.  Unless you mean amoung the council.

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I kind of like where this discussion has gone.  The hybrid idea of doing things is sounding better now that other PEELers have submitted their own proposals on the idea. 

If I may interject however, the emails didn't really make things more secure per se.  They would do one thing though; it allows the voters to be blind of what other people are thinking.  A common trend in POTM is for people voting in the poll to base their vote off another.  If we still do the PEELies this year, and it comes down to using polls to tally up the votes, I second amy's motion on only using votes submitted by people who also post in that thread.  It'd be simple to weed out fake accounts that way for the most part; just don't include votes from members less than a week old, or votes from accounts that have been established as fake (Osiris and Poseidon, I'm looking at you). 

Also, I really like the idea of a separate forum for the whole affair, makes everything tidy.  I'm not sure who goes about setting that up, if Nix can do it, then it's all fine and dandy.... if only mArc or slimmy could, then you might have a problem.

Either way, I think you might all want to decide on how you'd do a ceremony since that seemed to be the main reason why we didn't see who won last year.  Seeing last year's results sometime might be nice and encouraging too 

I've been trying to stay out of this thread, and I'll continue to do so.  I really just wanted to start off a new idea and see where PEEL took it without interfering too much.  I also think people enjoyed the PEELies, and I'd like it if our posterity could enjoy them too. 

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Either way, I think you might all want to decide on how you'd do a ceremony since that seemed to be the main reason why we didn't see who won last year. Seeing last year's results sometime might be nice and encouraging too

There is some truth to this, so why not REMOVE the ceremony since it is apparent that the "speeches" are what's bogging us down. I know I personally wouldn't be bothered spending my time and effort into writing something entertaining enough just to announce the winners. Screw it, just post the winners in a pretty list-form. At least for curiosity's sake... then we can get on with this year's proposed methods.

I also agree I like seeing everyone's suggestions, but who will play overlord and choose what format we go ahead with?

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GOD.
aka chay (sure, why not?)

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But I don't believe in Chay. Will I go to Chell? (Chay-hell?)

yes i know that was baaaad

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Slackit: Maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion, but I remember people ranting last year about the whole thing being unfair, particularly after the noms were released. :/

winna/ninaka: Alternative idea for the ceremony/speech thing, do what real award shows do: Presenters write their speaches in advance, WITHOUT knowing who wins the category. Then if someone flakes on their speech, the council can just ask someone else to write a speech. Here's how I picture it working:

1) the former council get together. The previous council can work as-is, or if members wish to step down or have left PEEL the remaining council can select replacements for them first.

2) the council select categories, and announcers for each category. A few back-up announcers are selected as well.

3) The council selects an MC, who will be the last-resort announcer and actual poster of the results. This should be a PEEL equivalent of Robin Williams or Billy Crystal, someone well-known but also someone the council can be sure will deliver something when the time comes, even if it's not terribly funny or interesting. This could be a member of the council, a past winner, or just someone from PEEL, the vital thing is that they have no life to interfere with their duties.

4) The council announces their choices, and the nomination of candidates for each award begins. Also, announcers write their speeches at this time, and email them to the MC prior to the end of nominations. The MC also writes opening and closing speaches for the ceremony.

5) when noms are selected, the polls are created. Any announcers who have not submitted speeches yet have back-ups assigned, and they are given until the voting closes to submit their speeches.

6) Voting is closed, results are tallied. Any speeches still missing, the MC just writes something for themselves.

7) The council gives the award "envelopes" (links) to the MC, who then makes the actual announcement post(s).

I didn't go into how to tally noms/votes, was mainly addressing the ceremony, but I'm personally in favor of public noms and private voting. Public voting influences the outcome too much, unfortunately. :/ This may sound complicated, but as long as the council tallies the votes and the MC doesn't flake out, the awards would happen as scheduled, as opposed to the old system which required many people's small and coordinated contribution, and so allowed any one of them to hold up the whole process.

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Right...they could do all that - or they could just post the results without anything added.  Whatever works.

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I think people complained because there's an implication that the whole PEELie thing is elitist.  I think by involving everyone else more, it might negate that.  I mean, I'm not too fussed who wins or loses, they're normally fairly well deserved (except obviously for the two years I won the best male and best old PEEler  )

So, yeah, count me back into the council.

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Slackit: I was talking about ideas for this year, not last year's results. :P

melll: yeah, that was the general gist of the complaints last year; open nominations should eliminate it, I doubt anyone worth mentioning would bitch about the categories.

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Actually I think one of the most appealing things about the PEELies was their "elitist" slant. It was what made them different from the POTM (which could just as easily be accused of being populist and cliquish). The whole concept originally was to award outstanding achievements in the field of excellence as objectively as possible (in a process remiscent of the Oscars), not counting who had most forum buddies. Yes, I realise objectivity is impossible to achieve and even the council (with its rather diverse composition (geographically and agewise)) may have had certain bias, but if it did it was its perogative, since it was their award.

That said, I'm not returning to the council, my job at the Illuminati is taking up all my free time at the moment.

As a parting gift, Doc Thunder's tally last year gave these winners (f_hill had some discrepancies, but I've lost her tally, sue me...):

Best female PEELer
Kloudes
 
Best male PEELer
Cap'n Skusting
 
Best young PEELer (under 15)
Futurama_hil
 
Best old PEELer (over 30)
Cap'n Skusting
 
Best new PEELer of 2005
Ralph Snart
 
Best moderator
Nixorbo
 
Best comeback
totalnerduk 14
 
Most missed PEELer
Tongue Luck
 
Sassiest PEELer
Ben
 
Most helpful PEELer
GermanFryFan
 
Most convincing debater
DrThunder88
 
Funniest PEELer
DrThunder88
 
Best PEELationship
Fishy Joe and Joysauce
 
Most addicted to PEEL
NastyPasty
 
Best userName
AirBagFailure
 
Best avatar
SlackJawedMoron's naked Professor with enhancements
 
Best signature
canned eggs: all rights reserved, all wrongs reversed. - Canned eggs
 
Best thread
Weeeelllllcooommme to the PEEEEL of Tommooorrrow!!! - Bender_Waffles 9
 
Best thread title
Irregular vowel movements: English language thread - JBERGES
 
Best review thread (tie)
Movie reviews et al &
Music reviews et al
 
Best debate
Capital Punishment
 
Best fanartist
Cap'n Skusting
 
Best fanfictionist
JBERGES
 
Best PEEL buddy
Can't Get Enough Futurama
 
Biggest whiner
Wooter
 
Least-missed PEELer
jerkberg
 
Best reviewer
Melllvar

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Makes sense, then. The council chooses categories, the public nominates PEELers, and voting is done by email... is that settled?

Oh, and thank you for your support, slackit. I'll pretend you're serious. I'll add some awesome categories...

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Teral: Sounds like the founding fathers' reasoning for setting up the US's Electoral College system. 

I see both sides of it; my real position is "lets not fight about it, ok?" and I don't see that happening if we continue with the old system. 

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is it me or are the winners of past year (like the years before) no surprises at all?
i mean... it's always the same people winning with 2 or 3 exeptions

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nevermind

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Bend-err: yep. they're always boring, its kind of like a "in case you haven't noticed who's popular around here and why, we'll do a ceremony for you."

thats why i support the proposition that the peel public votes for nominees.

also.....LAST YEARS WINNERS?!...GWHAAAAA?!

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So, winners were chosen...

And hey, I won something. Boo yeah bitches.

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But it was the award for most addicted to PEEL. You're like a rocker of old, except your addicted to PEEL instead of drugs...hopefully...

Gopher: I was going to say the same thing about the similarities between the PEELies and the Electoral College/Party Conventions, but thought I'd sound like a huge jackass.

The thing that makes POTM and PEELies different is POTM is more of a popularity contest because it's more Poster of the Moment instead of Poster of the Month. The PEELies also have categories that would cause the awards to be less popularity. The categories restrict Faze from winning every award and give the chance for others to win.

Plus, the addition of more poster involvement with nominations would make it so it's not the "same old-same old" that Bend-err brought up. Poster nominations would bring variety to the finalists and allow less complaining about the finalists.

Also, on an unrelated note, Gopher for Most Addicted to WikiPEELia. Speaking of that, we should get variety awards like something like "Most Addicted to WikiPEELia" which are kind of "awards related to 2006" which might've never happened before or might never return.