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Title: Techno? Heck...YES!
Post by: Pitt Clemens on 11-13-2003 22:48
Techno music people your thoughts.

See also:
Electronica
Trance
drum and bass
new-school beats
99.999% videogame and TV theme remixes
etc.

As for me, I can't seem to go anywhere without toting a little Fiathless, and some BT.  Now I need to get my hands on the Stanton Warriors CD.

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Post by: Beamer on 11-13-2003 22:52
Techno? Fuck... NO!

Also, why did you post this in the TV forum?
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Post by: bankrupt on 11-13-2003 22:53
I don't mind it when it's  a suitable background music, but I can't listen to Techno straight up.
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Post by: evan on 11-13-2003 23:02
Why is this in the TV forum? TV-based techno themes?

Sometimes I listen to techno. I mean, it's alright if I'm doing something else while listening to it. It really seems to help my writing, though. I guess the repitition just makes me type faster.

Personally, I like techno with voices ("The system is down, yo!" ), because I find instrumental stuff boring sometimes. Unless it's Aphex Twin or the like.
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Post by: Jeremy on 11-14-2003 02:32
It's the SuperFry of music.
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Post by: zoidyzoid on 11-14-2003 03:16
Well said.
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Post by: Rage Dump on 11-14-2003 04:14
I love really full-on techno in my car... otherwise i prefer rock all the way...
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Post by: mikey on 11-14-2003 06:43
Some of it sounds good, Like basement jaxx, groove armarda, and moby etc. But I really dislike repitive Doof doof..
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Post by: Love_For_Leela on 11-14-2003 10:17
I'd rather have my tongue removed by a gibbon with pliers.
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Post by: Juliet on 11-14-2003 10:42
I think techno music shit and a load bollocks. How can you be into this crap? It’s just the same type of Tune running and running all over again.

Some dance music is good but they are never that great. And I could get the rock and rap music.
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Post by: Love_For_Leela on 11-14-2003 11:26
The only half decent dance group were (in my opinion) Fragma. But you dont really hear very much from them anymore, (or at least I dont) so dance has recessed into the pool of shit it originally came from.
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Post by: Melllvar on 11-14-2003 11:49
Good electronica is thin on the ground.  Having said that, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, Leftfield, Fluke, and The Future Sound Of London are all among my favourites.
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Post by: Tweek on 11-14-2003 11:52
Is this a TV show? is this a movie? If not it doesn't belong here.

(http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Mattdroberts/PEEL/Moved.jpg)
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Post by: Melllvar on 11-14-2003 12:08
Pssh, you took your time.  :p

 
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Originally posted by Juliet:
I think techno music shit and a load bollocks. How can you be into this crap?

Council for the defence sights the following as evidence against the plaintiff:

 
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Originally posted by Juliet:
I just seen Shane Ritchie’s video – I Your Man and I thought that he was really adorable in that video.

I also like the video from Will Young – Leave Right Now. The video was cool when there were fights in the museum.

  :nono:
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Post by: Tweek on 11-14-2003 12:10
 
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Originally posted by Melllvar:
Pssh, you took your time.   :p

 
I saw the thread title and thought it was perhaps some show I'd not heard of, I only just looking in it  :p

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Post by: Otis P Jivefunk on 11-14-2003 12:47
It would be impossible for me to give a simple yes/no answer to this question, because I have too many opinions on it. I think the majority of Dance music is utter shit! And Bomb Ibiza! But having said that, my favourite band of all time is a Dance band, as some people may have already guessed, Prodigy  :) There are some other dance acts I do like, but they're very few and far between.

Prodigy are alternative dance, they aren't a techno band. However, they do mix a lot of techno elements into their music. Especially on 'Music For The Jilted Generation', my favourite album of thiers. I love the way Prodigy use these elements. It's not just a boring beat, there's so much more to it, so many layers and sounds, so much deversity and variation. Something I find unique to Prodigy, unlike most Dance music. I find there's a real human touch to all their music. And they experiment a lot too. For example on 'Voodoo People', which has a lot of techno elements in it, but also uses electric guitar, an instrument rarely associated with Techno music. There are many more reasons that I could say, but I think I've stated my point and opinion.

Every Prodigy track is my favourite dance song, but as for other dance acts which I like, I'm a lot more selective. I really like some of The Chemical Brothers music, but I also hate some of it too. Their 'Block Rockin' Beats' track is probabaly my favourite Non-Prodigy Dance song. I also like some of FatBoySlims early stuff, and I love 'Gangster Trippin'. I also really like Moby's album 'Play' a lot. And there's some other Dance music I like too, and some Old Skool, but that's my favourite stuff.

So basically, I hate regular mechanical techno, but I love the way it can be incorporated, and it's elements, when mixed with others  :)
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Post by: SamuelXDiamond on 11-14-2003 12:55
The soundtrack to The Animatrix is excellent, composed of a great deal of different styles, but mainly influenced by ambient intelligent techno. One of the best things to result from the Matrix continuing beyond the first film (and certainly a hell of a lot better than the sequel soundtracks).

As a Prodigy fan myself, I agree with everything Otis said. It's not about getting a somewhat interesting loop and running it into the ground, with minimal variation and bland vocals. It's about either letting a sound evolve naturally, or giving it a sense of purpose and urgency to become something more. If that description was a bit pompous, then I apologise.

Um...

Go Flyers!
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Post by: Impossible on 11-14-2003 13:06
[2Unlimited]TECHNO, TECHNO, TECHNO, TECHNO!![/2U]

It's alright. I liked the use of it in Run Lola Run...I think it was techno anyway. I'm not too keen on dance music, but listen to it anyway, I kinda grew up with it  :)
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Post by: Juliet on 11-14-2003 13:46
 
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Originally posted by Melllvar:
Good electronica is thin on the ground.  Having said that, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, Leftfield, Fluke, and The Future Sound Of London are all among my favourites.

Yeah the Chemical Brothers and Prodigy are good.

 
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Originally posted by Melllvar:Council for the defence sights the following as evidence against the plaintiff:

 
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Originally posted by Juliet:
I just seen Shane Ritchie’s video – I Your Man and I thought that he was really adorable in that video.

I also like the video from Will Young – Leave Right Now. The video was cool when there were fights in the museum.

   :nono:

Ok so I like pop music too. But I don’t like too much dance music.

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
Every Prodigy track is my favourite dance song, but as for other dance acts which I like, I'm a lot more selective. I really like some of The Chemical Brothers music, but I also hate some of it too. Their 'Block Rockin' Beats' track is probabaly my favourite Non-Prodigy Dance song. I also like some of FatBoySlims early stuff, and I love 'Gangster Trippin'. I also really like Moby's album 'Play' a lot. And there's some other Dance music I like too, and some Old Skool, but that's my favourite stuff.
 

Old skool dance music use to be good but the dance music right now is boring and uninteresting.
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Post by: Futurama_Hil on 11-14-2003 14:01
Ho, hum...

Psh, I don't listen to Techno (that I'm aware of) but I can see someone liking it. It's alright, but I wouldn't listen.
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Post by: Archie2K on 11-14-2003 14:08
I don't mind the music at all. Like most genres there have been good songs, and repetitive thud thud rubbish. I'd certainly rather listen to it than rap any day of the week.

However, garage...  :nono:
Can somebody just nuke the entirety of So Solid Cru please?
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Post by: Love_For_Leela on 11-14-2003 14:14
Garage music is the scurge of the earth. May all bands with the words 'crew' and 'squad' in their names be blasted of the face of the earth.
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Post by: Speli on 11-14-2003 14:48
It really depends on wether the song is good or not. There is a fine line between good techno, and bad techno. German techno is usually the best, because they're the masters and forefathers of it, they make it sound more unique. Like Kraftwerk, for example. But any techno song that could be used in a movie or videogame that gets your adrenaline flowing, is automatically good. Techno is good usually, but people can't see that because they automatically dismiss it as "Faggot music". However, hardcore technoers, like ravers should lighten up a bit, and check their fashion.
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Post by: ~FazeShift~ on 11-14-2003 15:06
'S alright.

But I don't dance with glow sticks or do hyper-ridiculous-speed drugs.
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Post by: Speli on 11-14-2003 15:18
Nah, I admit I used to be that  :p
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Post by: LAN.gnome on 11-14-2003 18:10
I like techno that plays with already established themes, like from movies, TV and videogames; stuff by Paul Oakenfold and the like.

Basically, I like techno that plays by orchestral rules: featuring enough repetition to make the music memorable, but not so much that you want to jam cutlery into your ears.
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Post by: canned eggs on 11-14-2003 18:16
I don't like techno; some of the real experimental electronic music is pretty good, based on the little I've heard, but so much of techno is dance music, and I hate that crap with a burning passion.
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 11-14-2003 18:20
Mikey is yet another reminder of how "techno" is one of the most misused genre terms ever. Good job!  ;)

 I used to be into techno and tech-house stuff a lot more just over a year ago, but what put me off a lot of it was the fact that most producers would shun experimentation and character for dancefloor-friendly/DJ-friendly identikit fodder, so you'd just have a bunch of functional records that weren't trying to be anything special.
 Also, few producers seem able of taking electronic preset sounds and giving them a hand-crafted feel. Most techno records feel formulaic, lazy and autopiloted.  :sleep:

 Some techno/electronica artists that I am a big fan of include Hybrid, Two Lone Swordsmen, Polar and Drexciya. The former I like becuase of their more richly textured, intricate feel and more song-based work on their new LP "Morning Sci-Fi". The latter three, lesser known artists I like because they take the aforementioned electronic sounds and warp them into pieces of music that are totally unique, often very atmospheric and without the typical clinical, sterile feel of said genre. Drexciya's "Grava 4" LP is one of my fave albums of all time.

 
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Post by: Sweetmelly on 11-14-2003 19:26
Their is one loud disturbing and crap festival in Berlin which is called The Love Parade. Its maybe the biggest Techno music festival in the world and it should be forbidden because it is torture for normal music lovers.
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Post by: TheLesbianLeela on 11-14-2003 19:36
I still remember music in school in class 7. Everyone could play a CD of the own choice. Well, the boys listened "Bumbumbum aya heyo heyo techno!" music and the girls "Babybabybaby, Backstreet boys" music.
And the Lesbian? She listened to science fiction - opereta music, with 7 minutes each song.
Anyway: I don't like techno. I don't hate it, but if you like me ... stay away with techno. especially in November.
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Post by: davierocks on 11-14-2003 20:13
I hate it and all other forms of dance music.
However, I will not go on a rant about how bad it is cos it is not really my place to slag off others music taste.  We are all different after all.
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Post by: kip on 11-14-2003 20:47
I think techno is ok. Although I'm pointing more to Electronic, Dance and Trance. None of this Drum and Bass shit. Favourite artists are Faithless (yes god IS a dj)... BT, Hybrid (The 3 welsh guys who mix dance and orchestral) and Ladytron.

Other than that I'm a all round house man, daft punk, casius, dj falcon, thomas bangalter, together, chicken lips, Layo and Bushwacka, ILS, Medicine8, Mirwais, PlumpDJ's, Organic Audios, Pepe Deluxe, PPK, RobD, Alex Gopher, Tim Delux, Demon, Crystal method, Overseer, DJ Shadow and Cosmos.
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Post by: Just Chris on 11-14-2003 20:50
.: high-fives Speli :. Kraftwerk rules!

Techno is more than filler. Besides, it's the only thing I can really groove to. And experienced techno listeners (like me) diss all the mainstream dance stuff. I like my stuff either more hardcore or more original.

Out of all the electronic music genres, dance and uplifting trance have the least creative artists. My favorite genres are the darker Goa trance (eastern melodies with some guitars), jungle and breakbeats. Like many people mentioned before, Prodigy makes great music. I'm not into the club culture, I just listen to it at home or on the go. Good electronica is out there, you just have to look around.

Follow this detailed (although sometimes biased) guide to electronic music. (http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm) If you don't have broadband, it's probably too big for you.

 
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All of those popular DJ bands that came out back in 2000 like Gorillaz and Basement Jaxx came from the UK. If you see the VMAs of the UK you would see that a lot of the bands that win lean towards dance and DJ. UK and the rest of Europe is VERY different in what is popular and what isn't.

It seems like techno is the UK's version of pop music. Is that why so many people here hate it?
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Post by: Ben on 11-14-2003 21:01
Come on, people. It's 2003, not 1998. SPIN is telling us we need to listen to garage rock now, not electronica. Get with the program...
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Post by: Melllvar on 11-15-2003 05:47
Best examples of good techno, in my opinion, are:

Chemical Brothers:
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Post by: ghoulishmoose on 11-15-2003 06:11
I've recently discovered just how much I actually do like some techno music. I own both the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions soundtracks and I love the music on there, I really do.

I've never really heard any music like this before until I bought the soundtracks, but I think the music on them is awesome, I really like it  :)
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Post by: sheep555 on 11-15-2003 06:13
     
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Originally posted by Just Chris:Follow this detailed (although sometimes biased) guide to electronic music. (http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm) If you don't have broadband, it's probably too big for you.

I did like "Bristol turns out [trip-hop] artists the way Seattle churns out grunge bands"      :)


   
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Originally posted by ghoulishmoose:
I've recently discovered just how much I actually do like some techno music. I own both the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions soundtracks and I love the music on there, I really do.

I was playing synths in a band, and we  played a version of Massive Attack's "Teardrop" a month or so ago. I kept plugging it to everyone I saw - the conversation would go something like this:

Me: Hey, I'm playing some Massive Attack, want to come along

Random Guy: Who the hell are they?

Me: You must have heard of them - "Mezzanine", you know?

Random Guy: Oh yeah. I think I heard of them. I'm not really into that crap. Techno's just shit.

Me: There's a Massive Attack song in the Matrix...at the start, when Neo wakes up in front of his computer

Random Guy: I really liked that song - yeah, I'll come along

So, thank you Matrix    :)
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Post by: Otis P Jivefunk on 11-15-2003 06:32
I'm dieing to hear the colloboration with 3D from Massive Attack, and Liam Howlett from Prodigy. Made in the year 2000, and called 'No Souvenirs'. It was descibed by the Author of a recent biography about Prodigy, Martin James. Who was lucky enough to get it played to him by Liam Howlett himslf. I was already dieing to hear it, and reading that just made me want to hear it even more! I just hope it gets released and sees the light of day...
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Post by: Robiben on 11-15-2003 06:41
I dont mind a bit of techo. But i like chill-out techo more than the hardcore stuff. Although it sounds pretty trippy sometimes.
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 11-15-2003 07:45
 
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Originally posted by Just Chris:
Out of all the electronic music genres, dance and uplifting trance have the least creative artists.

 Agreed.

 
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It seems like techno is the UK's version of pop music. Is that why so many people here hate it?

 Well again, to get all genre-specific and snooty, we don't actually get any techno records in the charts. It's mainly the ugly bastard son of euro-trance and pop-dance that we have to endure, like a more energetic and cod-emotional version of Eifel 65.   :puke:
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Post by: DrThunder88 on 11-15-2003 08:00
I don't like much techno at all.  I remember liking Daft Punk's "Around the World" and Strong Bad's techno, but that's pretty much it.

The system is down.
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Post by: Melllvar on 11-15-2003 08:14
Anyone heard The Sabres Of Paradise?

I've got Daft Punk's "Discovery", mainly because I liked the Anime Videos for the four singles off there.  The rest of the album is pretty good.  I have Massive Attack's "Mezzanine" too.

@GM: Matrix Revolutions has some collaborations between Juno Reactor and the movie's composer.  Juno Reactor are pretty damn good.  I recommend the track I quoted on the previous page "High Energy Protons" by them.

One other thing, if anyone who's got the Matrix Revisited DVD (ie: the second disk off the Matrix DVD set), one of the easter eggs on there is 40 tracks of techno music, which is pretty damn good.
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Post by: ~FazeShift~ on 11-15-2003 13:10
Rippable?

I never knew about that easter egg, it wasn't mentioned on that eggs site I went to a while ago.
How does one access these phat choons?
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Post by: Love_For_Leela on 11-15-2003 13:24
With a phat choon ekstrakta?
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Post by: ~FazeShift~ on 11-15-2003 13:32
Bah, why am I asking anyway, my DVD drive is bonered.
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Post by: Melllvar on 11-15-2003 13:36
 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
Rippable?

I never knew about that easter egg, it wasn't mentioned on that eggs site I went to a while ago.
How does one access these phat choons?

Taken from a DVD Eggs site:

There is also a 41 track jukebox which is accessible on the disc - these are all full songs and add around three hours of listening to the disc! Simply select Languages from the Main Menu and then press Left on your remote control. This will reveal a phone - pressing Enter will give access to the many songs.

I've listened to these and they're wicked.
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Post by: SpacemanSpiff on 11-15-2003 13:56
i hate techno with passion. some eletronic music is good, however this music is not classified as techno.
techno sucks as such already, and as a drummer i also have to add my share of dislike for music which doesn't use a real drumkit but a drumcomputer.
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Post by: Otis P Jivefunk on 11-15-2003 15:49
What if real drums were played, and then sequenced into it?
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Post by: SpacemanSpiff on 11-15-2003 15:53
 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
What if real drums were played, and then sequenced into it?

that's only marginally better, if at all. plus it doesn't change the fact that the music as such just sucks.  :p
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Post by: Killerfox on 11-15-2003 15:56
well its not all I listen too but most of my music is Techno
 :)
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 11-15-2003 17:17
 
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Originally posted by Melllvar:
Anyone heard The Sabres Of Paradise?

 Yeah, but Two Lone Swordsmen are better. Both Andy Weatherall.

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Post by: ghoulishmoose on 11-16-2003 04:47
 
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Originally posted by Melllvar:
@GM: Matrix Revolutions has some collaborations between Juno Reactor and the movie's composer. Juno Reactor are pretty damn good. I recommend the track I quoted on the previous page "High Energy Protons" by them.

Yeah I actually downloaded that song and I really like it. I also downloaded a couple of others by Fluke as well and one more by Juno Reactor. Its good stuff, I really like it  :)

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Post by: slimmyCGEF on 11-16-2003 04:51
I can only enjoy techno when I'm extremely drunk and that my standards of music and women has reached rock bottom...
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Post by: Melllvar on 11-16-2003 05:17
 
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Originally posted by ghoulishmoose:
 Yeah I actually downloaded that song and I really like it. I also downloaded a couple of others by Fluke as well and one more by Juno Reactor. Its good stuff, I really like it   :)


If you can find it, Fluke's album, "Risotto" is excellent.  I've seen Fluke twice live, and both times they've been really good too.
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Post by: Archie2K on 11-16-2003 05:55
All this talk of "Fluke" is confusing me. The only Fluke I've ever heard was a folk band who played at Henley festival last year, and they were mighty good too, and ever since then I've wanted to take up playing the bodram, an Irish percussive instrument.
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Post by: Melllvar on 11-16-2003 05:56
Yeah, that's them.  :p
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Post by: Bloodclot on 11-16-2003 09:29
I don't really like techno, but if I find some really good stuff, I'd listen to it. So I'm not saying "All techno music is crap".   ;)
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Post by: Just Chris on 11-16-2003 17:56
 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
What if real drums were played, and then sequenced into it?

That's the point of sequencing drums in techno music. You can create rhythms that are impossible or very hard to do with a solo drum player. How would one be able to constanly produce snare rushes? And then they would have to toss in effects, like flanging and notching off certain frequencies.

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Post by: evan on 11-16-2003 18:43
Two words for ya. "Aphex" "Twin." And you say techno is bad...
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Post by: Ben on 11-16-2003 19:31
His stuff isn't strictly techno...
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Post by: evan on 11-17-2003 11:06
Yeah, that's the problem. What's the difference between "techno," "electronica," "trance," etc? It's too hard to draw lines between the computer generated/enhanced music. It's all just relative terms, anyway.
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-23-2004 05:00
Fucking hell, you lot don't know shit

Listen too Jeff mills , Adam beyer, DJ Rush, Carl cox (and not his house sets please) 
Derrick May , Dave clark, Umek, etc etc etc....

Bollox with "Fragma" or Faithless, i mean, Faithless had one hit, insomnia, all the rest are varations on that theme, Fragma suck huge amounts of monkey dick, all they did was take an ok euro/club trance track and stuck some fat bitch singing on it.
Techno rocks, but only if you understand it and what it means, it was never meant to sound warm and friendly.

Old topic i know but i mix and buy this shit, and to hear opinions which is based on dave pearces playlist is a joke!  And with any luck it wont enter the charts cos vocal techno is shit.
But some have, check out Born slippy or DJ's Misjah's Access. Still not quite pop is it? (Born slippys thundering beat is what its all about!!

I should read some more of the thread before i post init but my opinion still stands.

Who needs real drums when you are limited to what you can do eh?  innovation mate

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Post by: SpacemanSpiff on 02-23-2004 06:51
 
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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
Who needs real drums when you are limited to what you can do eh?  innovation mate

so it's innovation to use the same loop over and over again?
face it: even though it is technically possible, no dj ever creates complicated drum patterns. it would require excessive amounts of sampling, there would be no loops. in fact, he'ld most likely have to record everything anyway. what i'm talking about are constant rhythm changes, sudden stops in the middle of the beat, changing of speed, that kinda stuff. also, it's damn hard to program in stuff such as drumstick technique, which you can hear though.
but then again, most electronic music should be danceable and what i described would probably allow moshing or spastic movements.

the only thing that computers can do better than the average drummer is being extremely fast. so fast that it sounds sucky.
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-23-2004 07:18
Nah mate, programming rhythm changes aint to hard, and all Dj's, producers alike create complex drum patterns, excessive sampling is all part of the fun, in fact its a standard to sample loads hence the sample cd market.

But yeah, 10 years ago, it was innovative, but is just another way of doing it now i guess. :rolleyes:

Anyway Drums through a compressor sound alot phatter then any drumset i've heard before.
With a sampler or computer (reason anyone?) and a few midi tricks you can program anything. Also most drum tracks in chart music is programmed anyway and subtle deveations in sound or attack is easily done, its where to put it that gets hard!   But atleast you dont have to think about being in time for the most part.    :finger:   :laff:
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Post by: SpacemanSpiff on 02-23-2004 07:54
i don't like effects on drums too much. but then again, i'm not a fan of bass-heavy music, i'ld rather have noise.

as for the rhythm patterns: the problem is, you rarely hear it. there might be subtle changes, but that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about music that's on the verge of being unlistenable, that makes you go "what the fuck are they thinking now?".
there's electronic music like that too, but it isn't classified as techno then.

oh yeah, interestingly enough, many bands who actually play electronic music still use a real drumkit. even on stage. and it sounds a lot better too.

also another thing: programming and sampling is a lot easier than actually playing drums and i just find it very annoying that every dumb fuck who has absolutely no idea how to play even one real instrument can make "music" just by pushing buttons. yes, scooter, i'm looking at you here.
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-23-2004 08:20
Dont confuse me with scooter man, i take extreme offence to that! 

You like noise then, cool, any examples?  Would like to hear.
Sampling - tedious and boring sometimes as to just hitting buttons, why dont you give it a shot, setup your drummaps via midi, load them into your sequencer then try and make a beat, it took me years to get any good out patterns also when you have made your pattern you can change the drumhits and create totally different sections in just a few clicks, its good stuff man, dont knock it till you tryed it, dont get me wrong,i've had a few go's at drumming but found it well hard!  but its still taken a few years to produce anything decent with a PC.

Anyways have you heard any Gabba by the way? Try it, can be bass heavy but the speeds are ridiculess, no time for rhythms in that, i cant stand it cos its exactly what you said you like - noise.  :)
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Post by: SpacemanSpiff on 02-23-2004 08:52
i know that sampling isn't easy, whether you're sampling music or rhythm-parts. however, it seemed easier to me than actual drumming. i know that sitting in front of a computer and expecting the whole thing to work out perfectly within a week is wrong. i just think you'll get good results faster than with actual drumming.

i also think that many of the stuff you mentioned isn't really techno. i was having a go at techno here, not at electronic music in general. as said before, i like some electronic music, an example would be berg sans nipple.

i like noisy music, it doesn't have to best. i like it more when it's complex.
examples with a short description:
north of america (http://www.rewika.com/downloads.php?band=5&PHPSESSID=3c8e65016d52e7dd2ae4d4e17286732d) - download the songs fuck (repeating) and xrxxrxrx. that's math/noise-core.
the flying luttenbachers (http://www.epitonic.com/artists/theflyingluttenbachers.html) - avantgarde jazz. or something like that.
ruins (http://www.epitonic.com/artists/ruins.html) - i have no idea how to classify it. two weird guys from japan armed with a drumkit and a bass.
the cancer conspiracy (http://www.epitonic.com/artists/thecancerconspiracy.html) - instrumental hardcore-ish stuff.
mohinder (http://www.epitonic.com/artists/mohinder.html) - spastic hardcore. not exactly complex but ... well, spastic.
arab on radar (http://www.epitonic.com/artists/arabonradar.html) - the masters of really fucking annoying stuff. noise.
lightning bolt (http://loadrecords.com/bands/bolt.html) - similar to ruins both band-wise (two guys, bass and drums) but harder and more straight.

and also, since i mentioned them: berg sans nipple (http://www.prohibitedrecords.com/html/catalog.html). they're not as noisy though.  :p
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-23-2004 09:05
you saying jeff mills isnt really techno? Detroit man, thats (almost) where it started.  :)

cheers for links man will have a listen when i finish work
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Post by: ZombieJesus on 02-23-2004 09:22
 
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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
Dont confuse me with scooter man, i take extreme offence to that! 

 
Haha, everybody hates Scooter.


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Post by: SlackJawedMoron on 02-23-2004 09:42
'Fraid most of my experience with techno comes from the WipEout games. Worked very well when I was playing the game... didn't touch it otherwise.

Scooter? eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww.

Oh yes, someone mentioned Kraftwerk! Is that truly techno? (I am something of a musical neophyte). Whatever it is, the electronic yodelling cracks me up.

I'm laughing with them... right?
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Post by: jammer on 02-23-2004 09:44
By using samplers, drum machines, sampling drum machines, fx units you can create stuff impossible to play with a drum kit.  You can totally create the drummers live feel within a sequencer easily, ever heard of velocity and off setting your notes by a few milli seconds? controllers and event lists within the sequencer?  There are so many tricks to programming beats and it is far from easy to create an original loop.  With a drumkit, instantly you can just sit there and bang out a beat and it will sound good, however with samples you have to choose and prepare each sound, re sampling etc and takes hours and hours to create a cool fresh original loop.  I could sample each sound of your drum kit and re create anything you could play including the "live feel" and with those samples i could create a very "busy" percussion loop that would be physically impossible to play with your hands/drumsticks.  Go listen to hi hat sections of a skippy house / garage / techno track and then tell me you could do that with your drum sticks!
With my equipment and knowledge, i could take a 1 bar loop and just by using effects and recycle i could make it totally un-recognizable and have a new loop !
Sorry but peep who say using samples is easy annoys me cos its not! Yea its easy to go buy a sample cd and just use the loops supplied but to create original loops with lots of samples requires lots of skill and time.  Take a look at rolands v-drums, a sample based drumkit with sticks- awesome !
Yea dance music is repetative but thats what its about, and if its so shit why is it so popular and why are people making lots of £ from it?
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Post by: SpacemanSpiff on 02-23-2004 11:05
 
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Originally posted by jammer:
With a drumkit, instantly you can just sit there and bang out a beat and it will sound good, however with samples you have to choose and prepare each sound, re sampling etc and takes hours and hours to create a cool fresh original loop.
so, what you're saying is this: if you play really easy stuff on a drumkit that you'll learn within the first few weeks of your drumming lesson it sounds good (it does not, but that's not the point) but if you try to do something complicated with samples you have to have to have the experience and the knowledge to pull it off? wow, now there's a good argument.
here's something: go sit down on a drumkit and play the stuff the drummer of, say, the mars volta or dillinger escape plan plays. it should be easy, according to your theory.

 
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Go listen to hi hat sections of a skippy house / garage / techno track and then tell me you could do that with your drum sticks!
actually, about anything that can be done with samples can also be done with a drumkit, unless the samples consist of more instruments played at the same time than one human can possibly play. then you need two drummers with two kits, which makes the whole thing a bit more complicated, but it's certainly possible. if you don't believe me, go check out do make say think live.
however, i gotta agree with that, computers can do complicated things faster just by speeding it up. but speeding things up doesn't depend on being a very skillful dj.

 
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Sorry but peep who say using samples is easy annoys me cos its not! Yea its easy to go buy a sample cd and just use the loops supplied but to create original loops with lots of samples requires lots of skill and time.  Take a look at rolands v-drums, a sample based drumkit with sticks- awesome !
i never said it was easy, i'm just saying that it's easier to create good samples than to be a good drummer.

 
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Yea dance music is repetative but thats what its about, and if its so shit why is it so popular and why are people making lots of £ from it?
dance music is repetitive, that's exactly my point. i hate repetitive music. i hate music you can easily dance to. music should be mentally demanding, if music's so complex that it gives you a headache or at least breaks your concentration if you try to listen to it as background music, it's good.+
and many musicians who make electronic music share this point of view, as their music is not repetitive and easy to listen to.
as for the argument "many people like it, it must be good" let me give you these two examples: millions of flies eat shit. however, that doesn't mean eating shit is good.
and millions of germans thought the nazis were right with everything they did. turns out this wasn't exactly the case.
also, following this logic, i assume you're a huge fan of britney spears.
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Post by: davierocks on 02-23-2004 11:21
Spiff, you loser!  Lot's of cool people like techno and it is fun to dance too.  You get to take ecstacy and get laid if you go to a techno show.  You are just not cool.
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Post by: Margarita on 02-23-2004 11:28
some techno is good. i have few songs and they're nice as a background music. it's not my favorite genre though.
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Post by: Jeremy on 02-23-2004 11:29
It's good wanking music. But I don't listen to it....or wank.
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Post by: Speli on 02-23-2004 11:33
Rap will prove to us that no matter how shitty a genre is, if it's done well it could be good.
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Post by: Archie2K on 02-23-2004 11:59
As far as I understand about electronic drumming, the basis is something you can dance to (usually a bass drum on the beat) with some flashy hi-hat and snare played over the top. What I hear anyway (and bear in mind my experience of techno is listening to Kiss 100 at work) could be created by an experienced drummer so long as it didn't involve playing more than two instruments at the same time.

Live drumming (if done by some experienced) has more groovy feel to it (as it's not programmed) and can easily be danced to aswell. However you can break into all kinds of fills and half times which would bewilder anyone listening. While I don't doubt that electronic music could do that, they don't very often.

But the best thing about dance music is that its roots are firmly set in disco. Listen to any trance record and compare it to disco and you'll find it's the same beats and grooves just sped up 50%.
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Post by: Otis P Jivefunk on 02-23-2004 12:07
 
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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
Fucking hell, you lot don't know shit

You know "shit"? Good for you...

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Post by: ~FazeShift~ on 02-23-2004 13:34
Moby - I'm Feelin So Real is awesome.
One of the most tripped out tunes I've heard.
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Post by: wu_konguk on 02-23-2004 13:39
It is very very rare that I will like a techno track.

The majority of techno is talentless crap. There is some interesting stuff but most of it is heavy drums and bass and not much else. I just need more layers in my music.
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-23-2004 14:05
 
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Originally posted by jammer:
Sorry but peep who say using samples is easy annoys me cos its not! Yea its easy to go buy a sample cd and just use the loops supplied but to create original loops with lots of samples requires lots of skill and time.

 People like Four Tet, Colleen and DJ Shadow use samples in their work, and it sounds great. Why? Because they have a sound that incorporates both the warm, spontaneuity of acoustic sounds and the clever warping techniques that can only be produced through electronic equipment. Not only that, but their music evolves and changes throughout the running time, keeping it consistently interesting.
 
 Techno is largely formulaic, it is made both to be danced to and it is made to be easy for unadventurous DJs to slip into a mix with no major disruptions. It's all about clinical perfection which is one of the scourges of musical soul. Sure, it may take a lot of effort for people to manipulate these samples to work the way they want them to but at the end of the day, they're hardly being adventurous at all: they're just tweeking their music conciously to make sure it fits comfortably within defined genre boundaries which usually results in a monotous, thrashing pile of overproduced pap which only serves to make techno more of a narrowly enjoyable genre.  :hmpf:

 Bottom line is I don't care how much effort you or anyone else puts into crafting a two second loop. All I care about is if the results are interesting, original and not overly generic. The techno acts I listed are capable of such things, but many aren't.  :nono:

 
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Yea dance music is repetative but thats what its about, and if its so shit why is it so popular and why are people making lots of £ from it?

 Manufactured pop music is popular. Britpop is popular. Watered down US metal/rock/punk/shite is popular.  :puke: They're all popular because they're bought by people with very base tastes in music who will by what is thrust in their faces by the big corps.
 Also, as far as I know, real techno producers don't make that much dough from their records, especially not in the current conditions of the industry. Any dance music that does make a mint would be the contrived version that fits into the mindframe of the styles of pop I mentioned above.  :p
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-23-2004 14:30
^Heavy drums and bass in lots of layers, its just another way of saying simplicity works although its not very kind to the ears at 50K!

As to "the majority is talentless crap", your refering to the underground in which case so is your fan fics.  bitch!
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Post by: ZombieJesus on 02-23-2004 14:32
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-23-2004 14:38
cool  :laff:
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-23-2004 14:42
 
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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
As to "the majority is talentless crap", your refering to the underground in which case so is your fan fics.  bitch!

It's hard to take techno purists seriously when they have to bring things down to this kind of level.  :p

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Post by: Pikka Bird on 02-23-2004 14:51
What Spiff said about drumming is quite true. Anything that can be played on a sampler can be played on a drumkit. Unless it is sped up beyond reason (in which case Pete Sandoval and that guy from Crytopsy could probably still play it). The thing about samping is that you lay it down very carefully, whereas a drummer plays right here and now. With a sampler, you can go back infinitely and say "no,m that doesn't go there" and just change it. Then you have everything laid out before you go on stage and the "live" element in concerts is this: "does he press 'play' now, or doesw he do it in a little while?".
A "real" drummer has to be able to actually hit the drums in real-time, he has to do his timing on the fly. This leaves room for improvisation and cool, groovy variations.
If someone laid down a beat as he went along, now that would be cool, but alas, this is rarely seen and therefore, the concept of a "live" concert with a techno band is mere bunk.

BUT- this doesn't mean that I'm all opposed to techno music (and other kinds of digitalized music stuff). There are quite a lot of bands I quite like, but this can wait until later. I will mention Mars Volta (without the 'The') They are an Italian electronica band of whom I know very little- Also, I cannot really describe their style. Just check it out.
And then there is the Danish band Under Byen (translates into Underneath The Cuty- you will all come to Roskilde Festival 2004 to listen to them). Again, I cannot explain the style, but this site (http://www.underbyen.dk/download.htm) has some samples...

[EDIT]...and there are good fanfics- Hoe!! (but a bundle of mediocre/horrible ones do persist.)[/EDIT]
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Post by: Margarita on 02-23-2004 21:34
i read all the long posts on the last page and there's something i have to say to the people who think techno is better than a live drummer: so you think digital art is better than a hand-drawn art too? so artists should stop drawing by hand?
that's why i don't like when people who work only with computers call themselves "Artists". you're not a real artist if you can't draw by hand and you're not a real drummer if you can't play on a real drum kit.
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Post by: alexvilagosh on 02-24-2004 01:52
Well, art isn't defined by drawing/painting or whatever. It's about creativity. But I would say drumming is about actually hitting drums...
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Post by: jammer on 02-24-2004 02:04
The debate against drumming and sampling could go on forever! I have great respect for people that do either.  I produce very complex patterns and it would take about 10 drummers on 10 kits to replicate what i do, also with a shitload of effects and filtering !  I do agree with pikka bird about drumming on the fly, if you fuck up live in front of people its embarrising!!  My attitude is, if you can create a banging drum pattern that peep love and dance to, it doesnt matter what it was produced on, just as long as you done a good job.  People can slag me off all they like for producing music the way i do - but if you knew how much i earnt from remixing and producing it would soon shut you up !!!
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-24-2004 02:06
 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
 It's hard to take techno purists seriously when they have to bring things down to this kind of level.    :p


Yeah, sorry about that, wasn't a good night yesterday.  :hmpf:
I do enjoy my fanfics if its any consolation and i enjoy dancing to techno, maybe as i get older though, my tastes might change. (i've been through worst phases but never climbed aboard a bandwagon i can safely say.)
 
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Post by: LAN.gnome on 02-24-2004 03:47
 
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Originally posted by jammer:
People can slag me off all they like for producing music the way i do - but if you knew how much i earnt from remixing and producing it would soon shut you up !!!

Money is no indication of quality -- just look at the kind of lifestyle that Britney Spears and the like can afford.

To me, real drumming is far more impressive. It takes more guts and more practice in order to drum live, as opposed to working on a computer that allows you to simply "undo" a mistake. An audience is nowhere near so forgiving.

@Marg: I still can't grasp your narrow definition of visual art. Do you draw the same distinction beween someone who takes photos with film and someone who uses a digital camera? Is one less of a photographer than another? Both can and do use post-exposure/capture processes to affect their prints -- whether it be by a chemical in a darkroom, or by a tool in Photoshop. Likewise, what makes gripping a pencil and leaving graphite tracings on a paper so superior to gripping a mouse and leaving pixels on a digital canvas?

The ability to draw in "real life" is certainly more impressive, just as drumming with actual drums is, but I wouldn't exclude people who work in a strictly digital medium form being included under "artists".
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Post by: jammer on 02-24-2004 05:11
Yes true i agree about live drumming takes more guts and your quite right mistakes can be fixed on the pc.
That was not my debate on the matter.
As to quality and money, i do it cos i love doing it and it just happens to pay well, i wouldnt want the fame or the millions of britney "crap" spears.  Quality wise i must be doing something right or i wouldnt be approached by peep to remix there songs.
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-24-2004 05:15
Right on man, for the love of it, although you'll still get spat at for it.

Whats the world coming to eh?

On a positive note that isn't directly related; i just got an e mail saying my copy of Laurent Garniers Coloured City 12" has just been dispatched from Holland, blinding tune if i ever heard one ! RRUUUSSHHH!!   ;)
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Post by: wu_konguk on 02-24-2004 05:26
I personally prefer a human drummer to a machine. While yes the machine can produce so interesting beats and such. This however does not beat seeing an amazing drummer live.

At amny a concert it has not been unusual for the crowd to stop and marvel at the drummers skill as he burst into a solo. I also feel the human's limitations give the music more warmth.
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Post by: nerdlingus on 02-24-2004 05:32
Gotta admit defeat there, watching a live band perform when there well into the music is a marvel to look at. 
Its mainly why i dont watch TOTP's.

But raves are good, I recommend them if your open minded enough (its good to be in an altered state of reality with loud music-any loud music)
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Post by: jammer on 02-24-2004 06:03
To those peep who think you can make a good groove just by "pressing a few buttons" obviously have never used a midi instrument or sequencer and know NOTHING about music production.  If you think you can make quality dance music with the factory sounds of drum machines etc then your so wrong.  I suggest you go buy an akai mpc2000 or emu sp1200 then tell me you can make a GOOD track just by "pressing buttons".  In honesty before i studied music and got to where i am today, i always thought yea, looks easy, press a few buttons and i will have a track instantly however after purchasing my first sampler/ synth and drum machine (years ago) i soon found it was not the case.  After studying recording,midi,sound engineering, synthesis i soon found theres more to it than meets the eye.  So these peep who press there buttons, please explain how you can do it and have a track worthy of chart succes simply by pressing buttons,  please tell me !!
Also the people who say you cant add the timing errors etc to sequencers also obviously dont know there sequencers inside and out, please go study midi for two years, learn how to control event controllers etc, then learn about attack, decay, sustain etc then tell me you cant add these errors and make it feel "live"
Fuck this shit, im a professional full time sound engineer/artist and some comments written about electronic production on here are complete bollocks.
I have great respect for live musicians and think its a shame its drifting all electronic, i choose to make my music my way as it suits my genre of music but whatever your method of production, live or electronic, to produce quality music is hard either way and nobody should moan or slag off how it was produced as both methods take time and great effort.
Like i say, whatever your method of music production, i respect you all and if you think its all about pressing buttons, go buy some kit, try it and good luck to ya !!!!!!!!!
Playing live is hard, sampling and getting it to sound right is also hard - this debate is never ending both methods require seperate skills.  I do agree that watching a live band is better than watching some chump on his own sat at a pc !!!! 
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Post by: SpacemanSpiff on 02-24-2004 07:22
 
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Originally posted by jammer:
The debate against drumming and sampling could go on forever! I have great respect for people that do either.
first of all, i agree. the debate could go on forever and it wouldn't lead anywhere.

just to clear a few things up: i never attacked sampling or the use of drum computers in general. having tried sampling myself, i know that it's fucking hard to create an even decent sample and people who can create good electronic music have my respect.
however, an argument i heard (not necessarily here) by fans of electronic music was that real life instruments are out of date and that nowadays computers are the way to go, and while i'm a geek, i can't agree with this.

also, my point remains: it is harder to become a really good drummer than to become a really good dj. i'm not saying that you're sitting down for a few weeks, and bam, you're the god of all djs. but judging from your post, one could say after 4 years of studying it properly, you're pretty good. after 4 years of drumming, there's still lots of stuff you have to learn, which makes sense if you think about it: interfaces (be it computer-interfaces or the interface of studio equipment or whatever) are constantly evolving, people try to make them easier to handle. which is smart, because ideally, one should be busy making music and not busy figuring out how to make that music. with drums however, there's a limit to this. at some point, it depends on the individual and even if you practice a lot, it just takes a lot of time to learn to get the coordination down and so on. not to mention, being able to come up with a great beat, then play it a few times, remember it and being able to write it down.

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Post by: jammer on 02-24-2004 07:40
Well i would like to see live instruments stick around and i would say NO WAY there out of date compared to pc's.  What these people dont realise is that the majority of sounds/samples they use on there pc's were originally recorded from real live instruments.  You also now have the huge debate over midi hardware (samplers synths etc) against software samplers synths etc, where will it ever end!  My attitude is just produce the way works best for you and dont listen to the media.
I agree that its harder to play an instrument than mix on your decks as once youve mastered mixing thats it, done, where like you say with drums, once youve learned how to play, a huge doorway has opened.
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Post by: MrMayat on 02-24-2004 08:20
Woo! Finally, someone who understands the beauty of electronic music, and a professional sound engineer to top it off. I've only started to mix music on my decks, and I can tell you, it sure is hard. I could further debate on the pros of electronic music, but I guess I'll just leave it to the pros.
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Post by: jammer on 02-24-2004 08:46
No MrMayat dont leave it to the pro's !! Everyone has there opinion which is always good to listen to!
Good luck with the mixing man, stick at it !!
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Post by: Archie2K on 02-24-2004 15:53
The thing I've noticed with electronic drumming though, in dance music at least, is that it has to be repetitive to get people into the groove. The electronic drum machines could create complex triplety swing patterns that really screw with the time, but it'd never fit with the music and it'd be nigh on impossible to dance to.

I've been learning funk patterns in my drum lessons recently and the thing which has become very evident is that whilst funk drumming does have some interesting patterns in it, they repeat them over and over and over ad nauseum so you can get into the groove and the feel, thus you can start dancing. Also that kind of beat wouldn't be possible to mix to. I might record myself some time soon really screwing with the time on my kit.
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-24-2004 16:02
You know, I have decks. I just got bored with the formulaic nature of a lot of dance music and now I just play whatever I feel, which ranges from techno to abstract hip-hop to dub to Jimi Hendrix and beyond.
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Post by: bart182 on 02-24-2004 16:09
I enjoy techno, trance, and electronica.

Like... Paul van Dyk, paul oekanfield, and the happy hardcore compilations.
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Post by: Pikka Bird on 02-24-2004 16:11
Isn't his name Paul Okenfold? He's made of bile and skinflakes.
Mouse on Venus has the right angle- don't limit yourself.
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-24-2004 16:30
No, it's Oakenfold. But he does deserve to have his name spelt badly, so go ahead.  ;)
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Post by: Pikka Bird on 02-24-2004 16:32
Owhkønphowlt
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-24-2004 16:35
I said badly.  :rolleyes:

I actually have bought a few Okeyfolld remixes and compilations in my time. His mix of "Planet Rock" actually wasn't as bad as it should've been. I didn't buy his album though, thank god.  :hmpf:
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Post by: Pikka Bird on 02-24-2004 16:41
Tell me something- what makes Ibiza music such as Ohkonfålt and DeeJay Tee-æstø so appealing. The so-called music suggests "WeeHoo! Let's gouge out our skulls with these little white things!"
Every time I see some footage from the hip clubbing scene, I thank the greater powers that I am not the kind of person who thinks this stuff is even remotely cool. I mean- they look like dorks, they dance like donkeys, think like llamas and generally act like wildebeest.
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Post by: Otis P Jivefunk on 02-24-2004 16:42
Bomb Ibiza.
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Post by: Pikka Bird on 02-24-2004 16:43
Carpet bomb Ibiza. Yay! Finally- A cause.

A(nother) thing I really despise about that place, is that the people who frequent that ifested island actually think they have invented every aspect of electronic music. Chill-Out was there before they med up that disgusting label. Other musicians had discovered that electronic samples and low-key beats, etc. could be relaxing instead of mindblow-inducing. And the rave culture... oh no- it's not from there. I don't remember where it started, but it wasn't there.
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-24-2004 17:08
I don't know if the people who frequent that island actually believe they invented that stuff. I know the media who cashed in on the concept hope people think they do, but...  :cool:

And as for Oakendolf and Tiestonails, don't ask me! It's like all contrived music made for the commercial market: the people who are into it aren't the sort of people who question anything in the slightest.
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Post by: Pikka Bird on 02-24-2004 17:14
And that's why I fear the future of mankind. The culture is stupifying- with the pills and whatnot, and it is ever-growing. Those people think the fun they had the night before is reversely propertional to the amount of stuff they can remember.
1:"What' ya do last nite, d00d?"
2:"I dunno- can't mememba"
1:"Sounds like hellafunny shite rite there, d00d!"

Don't contradict me, I will take this opinion to the grave.
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Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-24-2004 17:18
Is it really ever growing? I could've sworn that clubland hit a bit of a commercial peak around 2000/2001 and has become a bit less dominant these days. But meh, if you apparently know about it inside out...
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Post by: Pikka Bird on 02-24-2004 17:24
I have only been to one of those discos twice, and that was because some of my friends rented it for a birthday. But as soon as that was over and all the regulars started pouring in, I darted off. Maybe the original British clubbing scene has peaked, but in Denmark, it has gotten a renaissance in a fishing town called Løkken. Drinking, loud bass, one-night-stands and first and foremost- ecstasy. Mmmmm. What a great set of values.
I really hope this will eat itself up from the inside and not taint the reputation of the more serious and innovative branches of electronic music.
Title: Re: Techno? Heck...YES!
Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-24-2004 17:37
I think the reputations have already been tainted to be honest. You've seen how many people in this thread haven't got a clue what techno means, why should other electronic avenues be any different? It just makes it all the more rewarding for the minority who discover the great music.
Title: Re: Techno? Heck...YES!
Post by: nerdlingus on 02-25-2004 02:41
Yeah , the dance culture has subsided, its abit of a pain but then with the amount of commercial nonsense and cash in's its abit of a bonus, driving the main scene underground again.
But I dont need to take ectasy to enjoy it, i know cos i dont (or haven't done since i was about 17ish), maybe a couple of beers to get that booty shaking then i'm off!!
But it aint to bad, yeah we look abit funny dancing but then so do most people, unless, say, you do it professionally or like abit of salsa.
Also there is never any aggro in a techno event like a hip hop or drum n bass night (check the london scene  :)) so it makes it a nice experience for the night.

Gotta agree about bombing ibiza, thats where it started and where it shall end - i dont like commerciallism (is that a word?) so thats why i got abit flustered when faithless was mentioned in this thread, nevermind though.

Mouse on Venus, you got any mixes up? I like my eclectic stuff, be interested in hearing. :)

As for the loops being ultra repetitive I always think of the tribesmen in africa etc that have these traditional dances around a fire for hours on end to the same beat and sometimes on hallucegenic (sp) drugs and with todays techno using more and more tribally drum sounds and sampling afrobeats i think its a good comparison.
Maybe i should pack my decks for the jungle...  :p
Title: Re: Techno? Heck...YES!
Post by: El Scorcho on 02-25-2004 07:41
I have to say, I am partial to a bit of Kraftwerk now and then. Latest album wasnt much good though...
Title: Re: Techno? Heck...YES!
Post by: Gleno on 02-25-2004 09:41
I don't mind a bit of techno....couldn't listen to it all day though....
Like all music genres, there's always one or two songs that grab you, even if that particular genre isn't normally your thing....
I've heard one or two techno songs that were really catchy and I liked them....same with dance music....some good some not....
Title: Re: Techno? Heck...YES!
Post by: nerdlingus on 02-25-2004 09:57
   
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Originally posted by Gleno:

I've heard one or two techno songs that were really catchy and I liked them....same with dance music....some good some not....


I dont want to cause offence here but...

....in my opinion *cough* techno should not have lyrics or song to it, it might have the odd vocal sample but definately not lyrics. Instrumentals is another reason I get attached to the dance genre (dance being a very broad term!) It  doesnt force someone else's perception of that song on to you, admittingly I do enjoy songs, but techno is about what
you experience while listening to it.
Thats why I tend to see Trance as a make believe genre, there is alot of music out there which can also make you think.

I hope this makes sense cos i'm having trouble myself now!

EDIT : I must edit my posts atleast 2-3times before i've ironed out my mistakes and i still cant do my grammer right! should've paid attention in class I guess. :)

Title: Re: Techno? Heck...YES!
Post by: Mouse On Venus on 02-25-2004 11:58
 
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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
....in my opinion *cough* techno should not have lyrics or song to it, it might have the odd vocal sample but definately not lyrics.

 Well I think the two main problems with having vocals in techno is that 1: most techno is too stiff to accomodate fluid vocals and 2: most techno producers couldn't write decent lyrics for toffee. But if you look at classic tunes like New Order's "Blue Monday" or some of Underworld's stuff for example, there are exceptions, even if the purists might not consider them to be techno. I don't necessarily think that vocals don't belong in techno, just that it requires someone special to make them work.

 
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Mouse on Venus, you got any mixes up? I like my eclectic stuff, be interested in hearing.  :)

 Not a present, though I'm working on a doozy. I got myself a Pioneer CDJ800 to go with my Numark TT-1650's now, so the only excuse I have for not having done a kickass mix yet is laziness.  :p

Title: Re: Techno? Heck...YES!
Post by: Pikka Bird on 02-25-2004 12:40
The worst examples of lyrics in dance/trance are those Hypetraxx songs. Why do they have to be about being a dark lord of gothic death or something like that? The music is made for neon hell with those glowsticks and the bouncy behaviour and all, so whay so damn dreary "lyrics" (and they are just flat out crappy lyrics). Most of that genre from that period was crammed with horrendous lyrics.

TOTP Moshpit (I'm fed up with thinking of techno-spasms)