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Margarita

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« #240 : 01-08-2004 14:41 »

i wouldn't call scans a form of art...it's just tracing
Futurama_Hil

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« #241 : 01-08-2004 14:46 »

Pfft, tracing is art!  :p

Art: A thought- provoking creation through a painting, music, or writing. << Thus, it is art technically.  ;)
David A

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« #242 : 01-08-2004 17:06 »

How exactly does underlining the word painting prove your point about tracing being art?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that scans aren't art.  I just don't follow your logic here.
Futurama_Hil

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« #243 : 01-08-2004 21:25 »

I'm trying to put emphasis on it- a scan is technically a painting.  :p
David A

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« #244 : 01-08-2004 21:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Futurama_Hil:
a scan is technically a painting.   :p

Um, no it isn't.  There isn't any paint involved.
Futurama_Hil

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« #245 : 01-08-2004 21:31 »
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Drawing= painting. Also, in Photoshop, I use the "paint" tool. It's painting, just done on the computer.
David A

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« #246 : 01-08-2004 21:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Futurama_Hil:
Drawing= painting.

No.  No, it doesn't.  Remind me to get you a dictionary for your birthday.   :p

 
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Also, in Photoshop, I use the "paint" tool. It's painting, just done on the computer.

Just because it's called that, it doesn't mean that the finished product is a painting.  I suppose we're getting into semantics here, but I wouldn't call artwork done on a computer painting.
Margarita

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« #247 : 01-08-2004 22:10 »

i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1  ;))
David A

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« #248 : 01-08-2004 22:43 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art.

I wouldn't go that far; if it's a form of creative expression then it's artwork.

But that doesn't make it a painting.  Paintings are made of paint, not pixels on a computer screen.
Jeremy

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« #249 : 01-09-2004 03:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1   ;))

Someone's jealous!
"Eh?"
You.
"Eh?"
Of me.
"Eh?"
Of my skills with the mouse, son.
"Eh?"
Pfft.
LAN.gnome

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« #250 : 01-09-2004 05:08 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1   ;))

What if you use a tablet PC, like so many serious artists do? The guy who draws Penny Arcade does that. There's no mouse involved, so one of your criterion is met. Would you still reject a piece of work such as this as art, even if it was made in the traditional method, with a stylus and everything, but was just drawn into a computer's memory instead of paper? That's incredibly, stupifyingly narrow-minded.

In your eyes, does the involvement of complex machinery prevent work from being "art"? In that case, any photography done with a digital camera, or manipulated with a computer, cannot be art.

You're creating a definition of art that's dependent on the tools used to create it. By my logic, that's flawed. It's like saying paintings done in watercolors are art, but charcoal works are not. The involvement of a computer does not alter the core of what is being done: the creation of an original (see? I'm willing to concede the scanning thing) work meant to convey an idea, emotion, or anything else the creator can manage.

And just for a little backup from the people who actually put this stuff down in books:

 
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"Art", as according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced

To sum it up: you can't eliminate every digitally-created work from the realm of art. There's some give and take when it comes to scanning and the like, but don't be so dramatic when you're trying to prove a point.
Thoth

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« #251 : 01-09-2004 05:22 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 I wouldn't go that far; if it's a form of creative expression then it's artwork.

I agree, but i don't know if i could call scan-art, art.
Some maby, but how much creative expression is involved when you follow some lines with a pointer rather than create something, depends i guess,but it seems pretty rare.
But scan art like PaulFSAC does migh as well be classified as art.

wu_konguk

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« #252 : 01-09-2004 07:02 »

As much as I am sure that Hill probably loves all this attention in this thread. We do have a whole thread dedicated to discussing if scan art is art. http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/4-000661-1/

Besides if you enjoy doing it then you should not really care what others think.
Oh and as for pure computer work not being art pleasestop by www.deviantart.com  most of the art on there is completely computer done (some with tablets and some with a mouse)
Margarita

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« #253 : 01-09-2004 10:58 »

 
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Originally posted by LAN.gnome:
 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1  ;))

What if you use a tablet PC, like so many serious artists do? The guy who draws Penny Arcade does that. There's no mouse involved, so one of your criterion is met. Would you still reject a piece of work such as this as art, even if it was made in the traditional method, with a stylus and everything, but was just drawn into a computer's memory instead of paper? That's incredibly, stupifyingly narrow-minded.

In your eyes, does the involvement of complex machinery prevent work from being "art"? In that case, any photography done with a digital camera, or manipulated with a computer, cannot be art.

You're creating a definition of art that's dependent on the tools used to create it. By my logic, that's flawed. It's like saying paintings done in watercolors are art, but charcoal works are not. The involvement of a computer does not alter the core of what is being done: the creation of an original (see? I'm willing to concede the scanning thing) work meant to convey an idea, emotion, or anything else the creator can manage.

And just for a little backup from the people who actually put this stuff down in books:

quote:
"Art", as according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced

To sum it up: you can't eliminate every digitally-created work from the realm of art. There's some give and take when it comes to scanning and the like, but don't be so dramatic when you're trying to prove a point

i think you should take some calm pills.

1 - that is what _i_ think, try to read better.

2 - my point was that many people call themselves artists when they can only do scans or just computer work. i'm not picking on anyone directly, but it's just a tendency i noticed. if for you it sounds just simple, get someone more smart to translate my posts for you.

now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion.

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sorry for spamming you thread, Hil. your scans are good, keep doing it.  :)
wu_konguk

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« #254 : 01-09-2004 11:21 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
 now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion.


:re reads sentence: ...........What?
What's wrong with arguing with someones opinon? Sometimes peoples opnions are way otu and you have to try and show them they are wrong (would you not argue if some one said "In my opnion all women are idiots."?)
Perhaps it should not be called arguing but putting forward alternative views.

That's just my opnion   :)
kip
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« #255 : 01-09-2004 12:35 »
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There's no point in arguing with somebody's opinion, because it's their opinion. If they try and enforce it onto you, like those religious people who go door to door trying to convert you... it's a different story.

At the end of the day, my opinion is the right one anyway, so ya'll should just bow down and obey me. And all hot chicks should be naked. Except during winter, and in places where it's too cold. But definitely where there is mud... ohhhhh yeah.

My opinion on scaning is that it takes skill, but I wouldn't call it an art. It's tracing, and kudos to the people who can do it well. But I believe that art is creating a personalised and original visual or audio representation of something a person sees, feels or experiences - rather than reproduction of something else. Oh dear... I just know Lan is gonna ravage me for this post now    :cry: dont! I'm too fragile    :(

   :laff:    ;)
LAN.gnome

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« #256 : 01-09-2004 18:25 »
« : 01-09-2004 23:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i think you should take some calm pills.

I'm prefectly calm, and I think my post reflects that. I didn't curse and swear up a storm like some people would. I didn't even use a single exclamation point.

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
1 - that is what _i_ think, try to read better.

Obviously it's what you think; you posted it. And I think that what you think is wrong. I'm not trying to convert you or anything, I just don't get your opinion.

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
2 - my point was that many people call themselves artists when they can only do scans or just computer work.

Again, I agree with you concerning scans. That's not the issue. But what's your beef against people who work with just computers?

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion.

OPINION:

 
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Originally posted by Futurama_Hil
First of all, there's a difference between every art. Scans are a form of art

ARGUEMENT:

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldn't call scans a form of art...it's just tracing

TO: Kettle
FROM: Pot
RE: You are black.


 
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Originally posted by kip:
Oh dear... I just know Lan is gonna ravage me for this post now      :cry: dont! I'm too fragile      :(

Have no fear; I agree with you.   :) My post was merely a response to Marg's declaration that any visual work created on a computer is not art.
David A

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« #257 : 01-09-2004 19:10 »

 
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Originally posted by LAN.gnome:
TO: Kettle
FROM: Pot
RE: You are black.

 :laff:  Once again, you've managed put a smile on my face.  I salute you, sir.

Wu is right, though.  We shouldn't be spamming up poor Hilly's thread arguing about whether or not scans are art; we already have a thread for that.
Futurama_Hil

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« #258 : 01-09-2004 22:43 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Wu is right, though.  We shouldn't be spamming up poor Hilly's thread arguing about whether or not scans are art; we already have a thread for that.

Do I look like I mind?  :p pfft, compared to Jesse's thread this is nothing

Anyway, more arts eventually. Deny it or not, a scan is art to some extent.  ;)
wu_konguk

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« #259 : 01-10-2004 08:59 »

Oh I do love it when peopel say I'm right (it is a rare occurance after all).
Besides screw the semantics, can't wait for more stuff.
Futurama_Hil

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« #260 : 01-12-2004 14:51 »
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an older pic from 'round november. Talk about cheap effects, eh?  :p
John C
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« #261 : 01-12-2004 15:58 »

Looks nice, but uh... What's happening with Fry? He got tangled up in spare rope?  :p
Futurama_Hil

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« #262 : 01-12-2004 17:16 »

affirmative.  :p
Venus

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« #263 : 01-12-2004 17:24 »

awww he built her a hammock! and she's evidently ignoring him. The sad thing is i can identify both eps those poses came from.
Futurama_Hil

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« #264 : 01-12-2004 17:28 »
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meh, i'm not here to make you guess hard.   ;) I'm here to make you work a slave, dammit!
Nefnar

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« #265 : 01-12-2004 18:31 »

That's very cool, F_Hill, I like how you draw your ART
nice shading's and backgrounds.

Anyway, I agree with those who say that computer art is actually art and not a random movement of the mouse.
Otis P Jivefunk

DOOP Secretary
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« #266 : 01-13-2004 17:18 »

Clool new art, I like your loose approach  :cool:
Thoth

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« #267 : 01-14-2004 11:42 »

WHAT SHADINGS!?
anyway, cute pic  :)
Nefnar

Professor
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« #268 : 01-14-2004 14:15 »

The effects in the tree looks like shades.
Thoth

Bending Unit
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« #269 : 01-15-2004 00:13 »

I figured they where color differations cus if they where shades they would indicate that it the tree was shaped more like a rock, a flat rock.
Futurama_Hil

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« #270 : 09-03-2004 20:25 »

Long time no see. Iím quite rusty, but hereís a scan I did out of boredom:



Donít expect me to be back into scans/art, however. Especially with school starting up again in a few days, I very doubt youíll see stuff from me.  But Iím not ďretiredĒ or anything. Just busy.  ;) If youíre lucky I might post old stuff I haven't yet.

Also it doesnít help that for some reason for PS7ís fill bucket is missing on the tool bar. I think it was replaced by something on there, but I havenít used it in so long I donít know which. Any help would be cool.
leelaholic

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« #271 : 09-03-2004 21:05 »

Hey, nice. You did the visor perfectly.  :)
Philp_J_Fry

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« #272 : 09-03-2004 21:25 »

heh,awesome
ooy

Professor
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« #273 : 09-04-2004 20:16 »

ROBO PUPPPY! Cool work Hil
LoveForFry

Liquid Emperor
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« #274 : 09-05-2004 11:55 »

great scans futurama_hil!
Dogbert

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« #275 : 03-23-2006 22:00 »

every time i see that robo pooch i am filled with rage.  If bender loved Seymore as much as fry he would have lived.
soylentOrange

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« #276 : 03-23-2006 22:31 »

yet another thread dredged up from the mirk of PEEL obscurity for no apparent reason...
Benders_Fan

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« #277 : 03-24-2006 12:30 »

^yep.

I love your art by the way.  :D
Kagome

Bending Unit
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« #278 : 04-27-2006 11:18 »

Cool pics there  :)  8.5/10
MarriedtoAmy

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« #279 : 05-25-2006 13:12 »

Yeah so you do art go do a mini series or something  :sleep:
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