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futz
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #201 on: 02-11-2011 22:31 »
« Last Edit on: 02-11-2011 22:46 »
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Cranium is the circle, the eye/nose/cheek/mouth "muzzle" sort of hangs on it. Then a neck stem behind the muzzle and into the cranium to hold it all upright. You may find a wireframe of one of mine helpful (or maybe not). A bit different method using only vector art and not pencil, but it's "just the facts".
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Zmithy
Professor
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« Reply #207 on: 02-20-2011 10:08 »
« Last Edit on: 02-20-2011 10:14 »
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Oh, that's quite an interesting way to look at them; heads as a circle and a cylinder? I've always thought of the heads from collar to crown, hence the circle/oblong comparison: If you look at the drawing guides on the dvd's fry's head is drawn in a similar way... in fact so is Leela's. I'm amazed you haven't been building up from a circle where the eyes are the mid-point already... I always do that as standard practice and I can't think of a single groening character that doesn't follow this rule in some form or another. That said, being able to draw on-model without needing the help sphere/cylinder guides shows that you're *really* familiar with the characters. It will just trip you up on ones like Morgan that don't get drawn very often if you can't nail down a good wireframe to start with.
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Marcus
Starship Captain
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« Reply #208 on: 02-20-2011 13:53 »
« Last Edit on: 02-20-2011 13:57 »
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...I should probably admit at this point that I have never knowingly used a wireframe for body or head... also, it took me like 7 years to start using simple 1- or 2-point perspective systems... or outlining in anything but black... Perils of uninformed amateurism! No, I knew the dvds gave good guides to character construction, but wireframes etc. always looked really complicated, so I never looked at them or owt similar. I usually just start drawing and the character either works (pic proceeds) or it doesn't (pic is redrawn), with minor mistakes caught in 'editing', the lining stage on the PC. That's fine as far as it goes, but it makes 'action shots' with lots of movement and energy in them very hard to do, and kills any attempt at consistency (I could never draw a comic, for example;each characters would vary from panel to panel). Still, I'll get round to it eventually, I dare say! While I'm here, latest pic - it's the set up for a short series of dirty, dirty drawings. Setting is a drab office, and the colourscheme reflects that. Perhaps a little too well, as I certainly find myself underwhelmed by what was a promising pic at the pencil stages. Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Zmithy
Professor
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« Reply #209 on: 02-20-2011 14:13 »
« Last Edit on: 02-20-2011 14:39 »
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No, I knew the dvds gave good guides to character construction, but wireframes etc. always looked really complicated, so I never looked at them or owt similar. I started the same way, then moved onto wireframe. It's quite complicated having to "unlearn" everything initially, but it can work well. You're probably right that just freehanding it is better if you're going for a more fluid, lifelike style. I only ever wireframed the heads while drawing for that reason, it felt a little restrictive when applied to the body. As for the office pic, I would try desaturating the background colours a lot more, I think it would make the office seem more bland and also make Leela stand out against it more. At the moment, the colour temperature is the same across the pic, there's a lot of warm tones both with the green walls and the bright wood desk. With the theme of the picture being "hot leela in a dull place" having her colours being the warmest in the picture would really emphasize that. Edit: Quickly went ahead and gave it a spin, just out of curiosity.. looking at it, I think the pen and clipboard would be best left alone for colour: Another potential issue is the cutoff point at the legs... it kind "boxes" in the picture and adds a horziontal element to a very "vertical" picture. Maybe experiment with removing the desk piece at the front, keeping the desks at the side, and showing more leg instead? I just remembered that I drew a Leela a few months back, just to see if I still could, I'll scan her in.
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Marcus
Starship Captain
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« Reply #210 on: 02-20-2011 14:37 »
« Last Edit on: 02-20-2011 14:45 »
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As for styles, why not both? Probably better to have your finger in as many pies as possible, if you can... That wasn't a come-on, sorry... Re. colours: I hear what you say; this is, I think, the 3rd or 4th attempt at colouration of this one, but I've never tried a straight desaturation of an existing scheme! (photoshops) What d'you reckon, any of these? Basic progression from warmest to coolest. I love the idea of desatting, but not 100% on the results. P'haps just seen pic too often to judge edit: yay simultaneous (nearly) posting! Also, get scanning edit-edit: mmm. I think either the middle or last one. I'll have to have a play with this with the others in the series. Thank you for this, this was a very good idea! edit3: re legs - nah, desk is hiding L's poorly drawn legs, I'm afraid! Needed a quick cheat
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Zmithy
Professor
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I think that the coolest one (the 3rd) has it nailed. Looks like she's under florescent lighting, the fact that the blue window is still bright gives it a nice "oppressive glare". Also I edited more stuff into the post above, I can never leave a post alone. :P
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SpaceCase
Liquid Emperor
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... I can't really recall what I may have been trying to convey in that one... SpaceMaN, 'yer Jackson-frakking-Pollock! At least your dropcloth painting puts me in mind of some of his later works. I'll just... ooze... back out under the gallery door now...
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